UN Criticises Housing in Ireland

beejee · 19-06-2019 3:49pm #1

United Nations: You are f99king up big time

Irish Government: No, everything is totally affordable and sensible and sustainable

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/cuckoo-funds-have-positive-effect-on-housing-murphy-38232726.html

Please don't vote ANY of these self-interested, corrupt fools back in afterwards. Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail, Fianna Gael, Labour, Greens...all useless, every last one. New thinking is needed, new people are needed, new parties are needed.

Do you think the financialisation of our homes, for the benefit of multinational leeches, is a good thing? Your housing minister thinks so.

For the people who voted them in, is this really what you wanted? You know a very few are rubbing their hands together, but what about everyone else?

When will the penny drop that our country is being sold out from underneath us?

The schadenfreude will be meteoric when the ship sinks again. The opportunity for change is in the post, don't blow it this time.

mad muffin · 19-06-2019 3:52pm

Varadkar has really surrounded himself with fückwits.

James Brown · 19-06-2019 3:54pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Varadkar has really surrounded himself with fückwits.

Monkey see Monkey do.

TheValeyard · 19-06-2019 3:55pm

Sure who cares what the UN thinks anymore.

beejee · 19-06-2019 4:04pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Sure who cares what the UN thinks anymore.

Regardless of impact, its worth listening to (what should be) an impartial, common sense criticism of the country.

You'll be waiting a long time to hear it internally here in up-is-down land, that's for sure.

Munsterman12 · 19-06-2019 4:26pm

It's time the irish electorate wake up and stop voting for these incompetent people

Autecher · 19-06-2019 4:42pm

Munsterman12 wrote: »

It's time the irish electorate wake up and stop voting for these incompetent people

I agree, we should be voting for the competent politicians like................ eh................ bear with me a minute please................ I'll get back to you on this.........

19-06-2019 4:51pm

Autecher wrote: »

I agree, we should be voting for the competent politicians like................ eh................ bear with me a minute please................ I'll get back to you on this.........

Whisper that gently to those who vote blindly out of tribal loyalty.

TheValeyard · 19-06-2019 4:53pm

Autecher wrote: »

I agree, we should be voting for the competent politicians like................ eh................ bear with me a minute please................ I'll get back to you on this.........

Meeeeeeeeeee. I'll rule you all like a king.

Munsterman12 · 19-06-2019 5:20pm

Autecher wrote: »

I agree, we should be voting for the competent politicians like................ eh................ bear with me a minute please................ I'll get back to you on this.........

Things will never change in this country with a weak attitude like that

Autecher · 19-06-2019 5:50pm

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Things will never change in this country with a weak attitude like that

I agree, who is there to vote for though? Who is a good politician? And even if there are good, capable, competent and sensible politicians with a bit of cop on in this country, how would they fix the mess of the housing situation?

Things will never change regardless of my attitude, I could be the most positive person alive but I can't fix this mess, I don't know who I can vote for to fix it either.

Cuddlesworth · 19-06-2019 6:09pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Varadkar has really surrounded himself with fückwits.

He has been in power for 2 years. Most large scale building developments don't break ground in that time.

And the term Cuckoo funds is a cache phrase to avoid the real term, investors. The are putting down huge sums of money for both the expectation of a return on that investment and the risk of that money never making a return.

cajonlardo · 19-06-2019 6:25pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

mad muffin wrote: »

Varadkar has really surrounded himself with fückwits.

He has been in power for 2 years. Most large scale building developments don't break ground in that time.

And the term Cuckoo funds is a cache phrase to avoid the real term, investors. The are putting down huge sums of money for both the expectation of a return on that investment and the risk of that money never making a return.

Google foreign investors buying off plans if you are genuinely as naive as your post.

James Brown · 19-06-2019 6:47pm

Autecher wrote: »

I agree, who is there to vote for though? Who is a good politician? And even if there are good, capable, competent and sensible politicians with a bit of cop on in this country, how would they fix the mess of the housing situation?

Things will never change regardless of my attitude, I could be the most positive person alive but I can't fix this mess, I don't know who I can vote for to fix it either.

Well we know FF and FG are out. Vote for literally anyone else and it could go either way. Currently we've record breaking child homelessness and the party with the Lions share of responsibility for the last crash propping up the FG Tories.

nyarlothothep · 19-06-2019 6:50pm

Vote Fianna Fail for socialism. Bertie is a socialist. Fianna Fail is all things to all people, it is the people's party, if it were a colour it would be beige, the most inoffensive colour in the world.

Ulysses Gaze · 19-06-2019 6:53pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Vote Fianna Fail for socialism. Bertie is a socialist. Fianna Fail is all things to all people, it is the people's party, if it were a colour it would be beige, the most inoffensive colour in the world.

The last Socialist in the Dail at one point.

Had great luck on the horses too so I heard.

nyarlothothep · 19-06-2019 7:31pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The last Socialist in the Dail at one point.

Had great luck on the horses too so I heard.

He was the JFK of Ireland, he was like King Arthur presiding over the Camelot of our history, the golden era of the Celtic Tiger when the roads were paved with gold. I remember these times, I recall the footpaths had a golden sheen. They were the best of times...

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 19-06-2019 7:40pm

Housing should be made affordable for everyone. It really is a basic human need.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 19-06-2019 7:46pm

If that sniffling little shït O’Donoghue was ousted it would be a start. You couldn’t have anything but contempt for the prick. The rest aren’t much better but he really needs to be shown the door!

omega man · 19-06-2019 7:46pm

Munsterman12 wrote: »

It's time the irish electorate wake up and stop voting for these incompetent people

Ok. So who should we vote for and why, specifically with regard to their policy on the issue of housing?

The_Brood · 19-06-2019 8:08pm

That response from the Irish government is one of the most insane things I have read in my life. Like they completely don't give a flying feck.

We have to protest. On the streets, block everything, stop everything. Shut it all down. Absolutely nothing less than that will change a thing. It is up to the people and only the people. All out mass strikes and protests until a very serious and very immediate plan for fixing the housing crises is proposed, or everything gets shut down. It's up to us.

James Brown · 19-06-2019 8:25pm

omega man wrote: »

Ok. So who should we vote for and why, specifically with regard to their policy on the issue of housing?

SD, SF, even Labour. Anyone that backs social and/or affordable housing really.

SD:

Use public land banks for social and affordable housing
The Social Democrats believe that public land banks should be used to deliver social housing, affordable/cost rental and affordable purchase housing, with good social and tenure mix.
https://www.socialdemocrats.ie/what-we-stand-for/making-homes-affordable-and-secure/

SF:

Sinn Féin priorities in government would include:

Build 100,000 new social and affordable homes.
Ensure 20% social and affordable housing on all new developments.
Introduce legislation to limit the rate that banks can charge - even a 1% reduction would save mortgage holders an average of €2,000 a year on a €200,000 mortgage.
https://www.sinnfein.ie/housing

Labour:

A single national State agency, called the National Housing Development Bank, is to be given the powers, the land, the expertise and the money to deliver housing now. This will replace the existing Housing Agency and the Housing Finance Agency, and will take resources, including land and expert staff, from NAMA.
Housing Executives will be created in a selection of local councils, on a regional basis, to concentrate expertise and resources and to restore the capacity of local government to deliver social and affordable housing.
A referendum will be held to recognise socio-economic rights in the Constitution, including the right to a means of affording housing, to be fulfilled on the basis of available resources.
Public land will be made available for social and affordable housing, including schemes of affordable home ownership, but public land will not be sold.
https://www.labour.ie/manifesto/affordable-housing-for-all/

With FF/FG we've seen record breaking housing and homeless crises which are ongoing. Proof to me they won't be changing tack anytime soon.

Cryptopagan · 19-06-2019 8:28pm

Wow an After Hours housing thread that doesn’t yet contain any of the hits:

• “forever homes”
• “there is no housing crisis”
• “homeless means sleeping on the streets”
• “entitlement culture”
• “Ireland is run by left wing parties. Fine Gael are centre left”

Anyhow, just look at what an overpriced hellhole London is—that is what Dublin is going for, minus all the cool stuff.

gozunda · 19-06-2019 8:35pm

Wait until the climate catastrophe (or whatever it's called this week) policy of zero carbon emissions comes on stream.

No concrete because concrete emits massive amounts of CO2

And no wood as cutting down trees again releases all the CO2 they absorb over their lifetime

So what exactly are we going to build houses out of?

Yamanoto · 19-06-2019 8:42pm

All SF's economic policies appear to have been drafted by a fella who studied windsurfing at Weymouth Polytechnic.

Little point in an ace housing policy if you've fcuk all money to pay for it.

Richard Hillman · 19-06-2019 8:42pm

I'm not going to be hypocritical and take the UN Seriously just because they said something I want to hear. They are a vile organisation, undemocratic, and a big danger to our way of life in Europe.

Atoms for Peace · 19-06-2019 8:46pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Sure who cares what the UN thinks anymore.

It's about time we started producing military grade plutonium.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 19-06-2019 8:52pm

gozunda wrote: »

Wait until the climate catastrophe (or whatever it's called this week) policy of zero carbon emissions comes on stream.

No concrete because concrete emits massive amounts of CO2

And no wood as cutting down trees again releases all the CO2 they absorb over their lifetime

So what exactly are we going to build houses out of?

We can start harvesting feces to make bricks from old folks homes and maternity hospitals. We can then role the system out to public schools and buildings. Poo will be the new gold.

Mark. My. Words. :cool:

is_that_so · 19-06-2019 8:57pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Sure who cares what the UN thinks anymore.

Indeed. What exactly is it the UN are supposed to do again? Sound more like Amnesty these days. Not exactly stellar performance on housing but this kind of stuff does give the opposition lots of ammunition just to make noise. Never ceases to amuse to see FF outraged by housing.

is_that_so · 19-06-2019 9:03pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

SD, SF, even Labour. Anyone that backs social and/or affordable housing really.

SD:

SF:

Labour:

With FF/FG we've seen record breaking housing and homeless crises which are ongoing. Proof to me they won't be changing tack anytime soon.

A fix on housing is an election winner so it doesn't exactly suit either of them to have it continue. There's a decent amount of the social being built by councils, just very, very slowly. Stats here on it all.

https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/local-authority-housing-scheme-statistics%20

James Brown · 20-06-2019 3:16am

is_that_so wrote: »

A fix on housing is an election winner so it doesn't exactly suit either of them to have it continue. There's a decent amount of the social being built by councils, just very, very slowly. Stats here on it all.

https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/local-authority-housing-scheme-statistics%20

No point in being in government if you can't look after your own.
The reason they dont tackle the crisis is theres more profit for private concerns if tax money is used to buy and rent instead of building our own.

James Brown · 20-06-2019 3:18am

Yamanoto wrote: »

All SF's economic policies appear to have been drafted by a fella who studied windsurfing at Weymouth Polytechnic.

Little point in an ace housing policy if you've fcuk all money to pay for it.

Beats a journalism graduate making things worse and breaking homeless records each year.
We can use the money we spend renting and buying privately, not to mention on hotels. FG find the money when they want to.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-06-2019 3:37am

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

He has been in power for 2 years. Most large scale building developments don't break ground in that time.

And the term Cuckoo funds is a cache phrase to avoid the real term, investors. The are putting down huge sums of money for both the expectation of a return on that investment and the risk of that money never making a return.

Govt has zero plans that will see reality. They haven't clue.

20-06-2019 4:13am

As a person that exists day-to-day in my wonderfully average life, but also as someone who doesn't want to be put in a loop of never-ending, ever-rising 'save the world' taxes (which will do little to save the world), who do I vote for?

Can't vote for the Greens as they're the ultimate tax party. FG seem to think that people protesting or voting for greens just want to be taxed more. Can't vote for FF as they have mirrored beliefs to FG. Sinn Fein will give every penny from their magic money tree to the doleheads, ensuring that whoever gets in after them will be broke and have no choice but to tax me to the hilt to undo the SF spending. Labour seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth.

Donald Trump reckons there's no such thing as man made climate change and I tend to partly agree with him insofar as to believe that taxing my petrol car into the scrapyard isn't going to help anyone.

Wanderer78 · 20-06-2019 5:33am

Deleted User wrote:

Donald Trump reckons there's no such thing as man made climate change and I tend to partly agree with him insofar as to believe that taxing my petrol car into the scrapyard isn't going to help anyone.

Unfortunately the world is stuck in the neoliberal/neoclassical time warp, which results in outcomes such as taxation of the many, but nothing really changes in regards actual output, we need some new thinking, and fast.

UN Criticises Housing in Ireland

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