One year on from Ms Cash's impassioned speech

Thelonious Monk · 20-09-2019 6:36pm

Remember that nut job PlaneSpeaking used to most constantly about Mags. At one stage she was saying she should be taken out of her home and sterilised. I miss her lunatic comments.

Yer Da sells Avon · 20-09-2019 6:50pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Remember that nut job PlaneSpeaking used to most constantly about Mags. At one stage she was saying she should be taken out of her home and sterilised. I miss her lunatic comments.

I don't. Probably one of the most irredeemably bad posters this site has ever had.

And that's saying something.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-09-2019 6:53pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

In bed, she's riding it.

I hope he wears protection.

Thelonious Monk · 20-09-2019 6:58pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I don't. Probably one of the most irredeemably bad posters this site has ever had.

And that's saying something.

Yeah you're right, frightening at times

sdanseo · 20-09-2019 7:01pm

Guy Person wrote: »

Ah yes. After the women cycling thread comes the traveller bashing one. What's next, trans people or immigrants?

Let's be fair without being childish, she started it by bashing the entire community and system around her, despite the fact that she seems to have an income, is a convicted thief, and feels the need to add to her woes by continuously adding children and animals to her situation.

Thelonious Monk · 20-09-2019 7:16pm

Well she's from a traveller background, which is horrible for women. They don't have much of a chance and are not educated. So if she doesn't come across very well she has reasons for this. I used to think it was ridiculous and unfair that she's getting housed etc for free, but none of us would switch places with her, and we may as well try and give her and her children the best chances we can, that's the type of society I want to be part of.

dxhound2005 · 20-09-2019 7:23pm

sdanseo wrote: »

Let's be fair without being childish, she started it by bashing the entire community and system around her, despite the fact that she seems to have an income, is a convicted thief, and feels the need to add to her woes by continuously adding children and animals to her situation.

It's only a little horse.

sdanseo · 20-09-2019 7:25pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's only a little horse.

Ah that's grand then. She should just have a little chunk of the dole cut off.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-09-2019 7:30pm

I doubt that woman will ever be happy with whatever society generously gives her. It all take, take, take and steal, steal, steal, steal. No appreciation.

Wouldn't it be great if we could do an exchange program with somewhere like North Korea. Would be very educational for her.

handlemaster · 20-09-2019 7:31pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Where is she keeping the horse?

outside !

Fr_Dougal · 20-09-2019 7:47pm

Did you hear about the man who was hospitalized with six plastic horses inside him?

The doctor described his condition as stable.

ricero · 20-09-2019 7:49pm

T'is culture boss !

eviltwin · 20-09-2019 8:05pm

I don't understand people like Cash. I'm working full time, studying too. I'm constantly tired but I see it as an investment in my future and my kids future. I want to contribute to society, I want to feel I'm doing something positive with my life and making my own way. I want my kids to see that as the norm and have the same work ethic and sense of self respect

How can she, and others like her, feel like they are good parents or good examples to their children when they behave this way?

lola85 · 20-09-2019 8:13pm

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't understand people like Cash. I'm working full time, studying too. I'm constantly tired but I see it as an investment in my future and my kids future. I want to contribute to society, I want to feel I'm doing something positive with my life and making my own way. I want my kids to see that as the norm and have the same work ethic and sense of self respect

How can she, and others like her, feel like they are good parents or good examples to their children when they behave this way?

Because she has a whole cohort of leftie politicians behind her who tells her she is not wrong and the gubberment are the evil ones.

It’s really that simple.

Mad_maxx · 20-09-2019 8:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll never forget the fawning media coverage, sold us a sob story without bothering to dig a little deeper into her background. As a consequence, my trust in RTÉ was eroded completely.

RTE - prime time had a special last October from a farm in North Dublin where a spate of robberies had occurred along with widespread intimidation

Not once was it mentioned that travellers were behind the whole thing

lola85 · 20-09-2019 8:19pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

RTE - prime time had a special last October from a farm in North Dublin where a spate of robberies had occurred along with widespread intimidation

Not once was it mentioned that travellers were behind the whole thing

Careful now.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-09-2019 8:31pm

I think people are dead right to be annoyed with her.

Think of the return on investment for her. All these benefits without contributing anything positive to society. Not only that but given she is a convicted thief so she has contributed negatively to society, causing losses for businesses and costs for Gardai, court services and no doubt legal aid.

Anyone that doesn't see anything wrong with this is either naive, so wealthy they don't care or a person like Cash.

lola85 · 20-09-2019 8:46pm

Ava Prehistoric Servitude wrote: »

I think people are dead right to be annoyed with her.

Think of the return on investment for her. All these benefits without contributing anything positive to society. Not only that but given she is a convicted thief so she has contributed negatively to society, causing losses for businesses and costs for Gardai, court services and no doubt legal aid.

Anyone that doesn't see anything wrong with this is either naive, so wealthy they don't care or a person like Cash.

Probably about 3 million given to her over her lifetime not including a free house.

That’s bang for buck ay.

Mr. teddywinkles · 20-09-2019 8:50pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If you're around the median wage or average industrial wage, probably no more than 40 cent per year. Depending on your tax credits and age.

Is it really worth the anger?

All then old 40 cents add up don't they

20-09-2019 8:50pm

lola85 wrote: »

Probably about 3 million given to her over her lifetime not including a free house.

That’s bang for buck ay.

How on earth did you get that figure? Just pluck it out of thin air?

That would be over €100k per annum for every year of her life since birth. Normally this stuff isn't worth reading and shouldn't be engaged with, but there are people here riling one another up about some long-forgotten speech by a homeless woman who is now just getting on with her life, and is having her Facebook page dissected by grown men.

Have a look at yourselves.

lola85 · 20-09-2019 8:51pm

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

All then old 40 cents add up don't they

Exactly to better facilities and services for my kids and not this leech.

lola85 · 20-09-2019 8:57pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How on earth did you get that figure? Just pluck it out of thin air?

That would be over €100k per annum for every year of her life since birth. Normally this stuff isn't worth reading and shouldn't be engaged with, but there are people here riling one another up about some long-forgotten speech by a homeless woman who is now just getting on with her life, and is having her Facebook page dissected by grown men.

Have a look at yourselves.

Do you know what you’re right sorry I was working out the sums if she actually had to work and pay taxes it would be 80k before tax.

So 50k x 40 years( she’s 25 years old now I think?)= 2 million.

That’s excluding her HAP at around €1000 a month but probably more.

40x12x1000= €480,000.

€2,480,000

Not to be sniffed at ay?

But yeah 40 cents and all.

westcork67 · 20-09-2019 9:02pm

She drives me nuts! However one of the posters above is correct - this is because our weak-willed politicians live in mortal fear of the media which in the main is controlled by a left-wing agenda. Our anger should be towards them and the media much more so than against the Cash's of this world - they see an opportunity to screw the taxpayer legally and they avail of it.

The surreptitious undermining of true democracy in this country by the left is even more insidious then the blatant effort of Trump and his right-wing cohort to do the same in the USA. The silent majority are continuously ignored and we are at fault - however until a viable political alternative is offered to the people we are screwed

topper75 · 20-09-2019 9:02pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I am. Someone complained about having to pay for her. I asked if they know how much she costs that person in tax.

Simple question.

The amount of fretting and hysteria is incredible. She hasn't even done anything this time, some grown man has just been creeping on her FB and saw one of those stupid 'This Time Last year' anniversaries.

All over what, costing you personally 10c? 40c per year?

Life's too short.

Yes but this very same pence or cents argument is used in Britain to defend the royal family. In a republic there should be no special class above work. We had hundreds of years of such abuse on our backs in ireland. To transfer money from workers to permanent non-workers is ethically reprehensible. The Irish welfare state has over-reached itself. ALL welfare monies should be time-limited for able bodied people under 67. I don't think we can wave it away by saying the effect is diluted per contributor nor does the brevity of anyone's life change the blatant immorality of it.

20-09-2019 9:04pm

lola85 wrote: »

Do you know what you’re right sorry I was working out the sums if she actually had to work and pay taxes it would be 80k before tax.

So 50k x 40 years( she’s 25 years old now I think?)= 2 million.

That’s excluding her HAP at around €1000 a month but probably more.

40x12x1000= €480,000.

€2,480,000

Not to be sniffed at ay?

But yeah 40 cents and all.

How does someone earn 50k per year on welfare -- for 40 years?

Your sums are all over the place.

20-09-2019 9:08pm

topper75 wrote: »

Yes but this very same pence or cents argument is used in Britain to defend the royal family. In a republic there should be no special class above work. We had hundreds of years of such abuse on our backs in ireland. To transfer money from workers to permanent non-workers is ethically reprehensible. The Irish welfare state has over-reached itself. ALL welfare monies should be time-limited for able bodied people under 67. I don't think we can wave it away by saying the effect is diluted per contributor nor does the brevity of anyone's life change the blatant immorality of it.

Lookit, we shouldn't have a Revenue either. But the State has to spend upwards of 400 million euro per year in documenting and auditing taxes, because of a small amount of cheaters and people who don't seem to know any better.

Life isn't perfect. There will always be a few chancers, and maybe this Cash woman is one of them. I have no idea. What I do know is that people who are flying into a rage because of the money she's costing them, are getting upset over pennies.

Live your life. There's a lot to do in a small amount of time, without worrying about some randomer on Facebook whom you do not know.

topper75 · 20-09-2019 9:08pm

westcork67 wrote: »

..this is because our weak-willed politicians live in mortal fear of the media which in the main is controlled by a left-wing agenda. Our anger should be towards them and the media ..

Absolutely; the Cash incident will be there forever as a stain on RTÉ's integrity. The basic principles of fact-checking and impartiality in journalism were thrown under the bus to push the emotionally-appealing disingenuous campaign on her behalf. A state broadcaster, which for decades had attempted to tell us what was going on in Ireland and the world, was now telling us what to think about a situation that wasn't even bona fide in the first place.

Public service broadcasting my arse.

ligerdub · 20-09-2019 9:11pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

If you're around the median wage or average industrial wage, probably no more than 40 cent per year. Depending on your tax credits and age.

Is it really worth the anger?

Is that a serious post? I swear your posts really flirt with satire or at least are deliberately throwing out bait.

So 40% (to clarify.....not far short of half) of the aul hard-earned comes out of ones pocket before it even reaches it, much of it wasted on this sort of rubbish, contributed by many people who end up spending much of what's left to live somewhere they don't even have any personal stake in....and you're wondering if its "really worth the anger"? Who do you think you are with that rubbish?

Portsalon · 20-09-2019 9:12pm

It doesn't really matter what the total overall figure is, the annoying fact is that she's been riding the taxpayer bareback since the day that she dropped her first sprog at age 13 or whatever age she was.

Furthermore, it's extremely likely that by the time she draws down the old age pension, she'll never have done a single day of paid work in her life.

You may find that admirable, but the vast majority of wage earners find it slightly annoying.

20-09-2019 9:23pm

ligerdub wrote: »

So 40% (to clarify.....not far short of half) of the aul hard-earned comes out of ones pocket before it even reaches it

Again, not true.

It's not even 40% if you're earning 100k.

If you're earning 50k and have no children and no partner, it's only 22.5% tax between Income Tax and USC.

I honestly wonder sometimes whether people who believe they are paying 50% ever look at their payslips. You are not.

Maybe you can see why I am asking "is it really worth the anger", when the basis of your anger is obviously wrong from the outset?

There is a real misunderstanding out there about the marginal tax rate and how it operates.

ligerdub · 20-09-2019 9:27pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

Again, not true.

It was your number you troll.

20-09-2019 9:29pm

ligerdub wrote: »

It was your number you troll.

I mentioned 40 cent... as a gross overestimate.

40 cent does not mean 40 %.

Maybe you should just read a post in full before coming in here on a Friday night and casting epithets at all & sundry.

Purple Mountain · 20-09-2019 9:32pm

Did she mention the angles?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 20-09-2019 9:33pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If you're earning 50k and have no children and no partner, it's only 22.5% tax between Income Tax and USC.

I think you'll find that indirect taxation adds another healthy chunk to that. Income tax and USC are not the only taxes people pay.

20-09-2019 9:38pm

Kelsey Petite Buggy wrote: »

I think you'll find that indirect taxation adds another healthy chunk to that. Income tax and USC are not the only taxes people pay.

Of course, but if you want to go down that road, we have to analyse all household expenditure, including that spent by households in receipt of welfare transfers.

These people tend not to have savings, they tend to spend money in the local community. Even if you believe they spend all their money on booze, as some people believe, then most of the money will be going back to the state. With those nasty ciders you get in Londis and Mace, over 50% of the cost goes directly back to the Exchequer.

It's all much of a muchness. The reason why most ordinary human beings just get on with our lives is because this isn't a real issue. The money just gets churned around the economy and comes back -- often quite directly.

lola85 · 20-09-2019 9:42pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Of course, but if you want to go down that road, we have to analyse all household expenditure, including that spent by households in receipt of welfare transfers.

These people tend not to have savings, they tend to spend money in the local community. Even if you believe they spend all their money on booze, as some people believe, then most of the money will be going back to the state. With those nasty ciders you get in Londis and Mace, over 50% of the cost goes directly back to the Exchequer.

It's all much of a muchness. The reason why most ordinary human beings just get on with our lives is because this isn't a real issue. The money just gets churned around the economy and comes back -- often quite directly.

So TDs salaries are the same by that logic?

Yet most of the country gets their knickers in a twist about it.

What’s the difference?

its_steve116 · 20-09-2019 9:46pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Where is she keeping the horse?

Outside?

20-09-2019 9:47pm

lola85 wrote: »

So TDs salaries are the same by that logic?

Yet most of the country gets their knickers in a twist about it.

What’s the difference?

Crititicising policy is one thing - maybe you'd favour a benefits cap, such as exists in the UK, for example.

Claiming that this woman is a great drain on your household, or that you personally are paying for her, is quite another thing altogether. That's hyperbole in the extreme. I've just done some quick sums, and a person on 90k per year will pay 20 cent per year to a family of this size with roughly 50k income. That's 20c per year. 4 cent from your monthly pay packet.

This woman is not affecting your life, except by your choice. And even then, only if you're earning about 90k.

ligerdub · 20-09-2019 9:48pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Again, not true.

It's not even 40% if you're earning 100k.

If you're earning 50k and have no children and no partner, it's only 22.5% tax between Income Tax and USC.

I honestly wonder sometimes whether people who believe they are paying 50% ever look at their payslips. You are not.

Maybe you can see why I am asking "is it really worth the anger", when the basis of your anger is obviously wrong from the outset?

There is a real misunderstanding out there about the marginal tax rate and how it operates.

I'm sick of this crap posting from you, and I dare say I'm not the only one.

I never made the claim about the number, I was responding to your number and suggesting why perhaps being a bit miffed about the number YOU claimed might not go down so well with many people given this sort of situation arises.

Go ahead though, make your "ugghhh some people don't get how it works, how silly" comment if it makes you feel better. I've worked as a financial planner and designed structures for clients to optimise their incomes, I get how it works thanks.

Also, I don't look at my payslip as I don't have one. I'm self-employed, and for my good fortune I'm obliged to add VAT to my invoices, and given that I'm in a services operation with little to no purchases to offset this pretty much all of the VAT created by my services goes to the government and not me. About a third of my income goes out the arse if you must know, and that's not including the VAT contribution. This isn't about me though despite how you might want it to be. Even if it were only 20%, it's a fair chunk of change, and there are plenty of people out there sweating blood and guts and their disposable incomes are on the floor, and have great difficulties in getting setup with a place of their own.

Maybe you should just stop with this rubbish.

20-09-2019 9:50pm

ligerdub wrote: »

I'm sick of this crap posting from you, and I dare say I'm not the only one.

I never made the claim about the number, I was responding to your number

You have misread a post. The figure you're using was not used by me, nor anyone else.

I said 40 cent. You're mixing it up with 40%.

I'm not replying to these angry Friday night posts anymore. Will happily reply during the daytime perhaps.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-09-2019 9:54pm

A good, hard recession might make people more economically conservative and be less supportive of people like Cash.

Damien360 · 20-09-2019 10:00pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Crititicising policy is one thing - maybe you'd favour a benefits cap, such as exists in the UK, for example.

Claiming that this woman is a great drain on your household, or that you personally are paying for her, is quite another thing altogether. That's hyperbole in the extreme. I've just done some quick sums, and a person on 90k per year will pay 20 cent per year to a family of this size with roughly 50k income. That's 20c per year. 4 cent from your monthly pay packet.

This woman is not affecting your life, except by your choice.

You were very vocal on the original Cash thread also for pretty much the same reason.

You fail to see she has put herself on a platform by choice. She made herself a spokeswoman (as long as she thought the media had her back) for homeless people but does not represent decent people at all or homeless people for that matter. She is a crook even if she was just driving the getaway car for the gang that was robbing old people in their homes. Your past is never far away.

What people in the previous thread and this thread are complaining about is a system that rewards laziness. She made herself the representative of similar people and a focal point for anger. She has never worked a day in her life but lives very comfortably from her state income. Better than many people, especially those on minimum wage. But she is not the only one. There are many similar but they keep the head low to the ground. So when you say she costs a worker 4c a month, that's true for her but now multiply that by the rest of those in similar situation and it all begins to add up.

Oxter · 20-09-2019 10:11pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Where is she keeping the horse?

In the lift. The stairs would kill him.

20-09-2019 10:15pm

Damien360 wrote: »

So when you say she costs a worker 4c a month, that's true for her but now multiply that by the rest of those in similar situation and it all begins to add up.

I appreciate that - but I'm only responding to people who claim that they're paying for her, and I'm asking them "how much?" and "is it worth the stress you're getting yourself into?"

Whether or not MC is a chancer, I don't know; I am fully aware that there are other chancers out there, in all walks of life

They are in the minority. They don't have to feature so heavily in your life if you don't want them to. They're not costing you a lot of money, personally, not unless they're one of the domestic banks.

Honestly, there are lads here who clearly stalk the woman's facebook, long after she's stopped being in the news. It's just a bit sad.

Mad_maxx · 20-09-2019 10:16pm

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't understand people like Cash. I'm working full time, studying too. I'm constantly tired but I see it as an investment in my future and my kids future. I want to contribute to society, I want to feel I'm doing something positive with my life and making my own way. I want my kids to see that as the norm and have the same work ethic and sense of self respect

How can she, and others like her, feel like they are good parents or good examples to their children when they behave this way?

Travellers have an entirely different morality to the rest of us.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 20-09-2019 10:19pm

Damien360 wrote: »

So when you say she costs a worker 4c a month, that's true for her but now multiply that by the rest of those in similar situation and it all begins to add up.

The logic there is risible. It's like saying that if everyone in Ireland gave me a euro, I'd be worth €4.8 million -- and who would really miss one euro? Therefore, I can become a multi-millionaire with no real harm to anyone.

It also ignores the effects across generations. Ms. Cash's seven children are statistically likely to become welfare dependents themselves, and their children in turn.

Yer Da sells Avon · 20-09-2019 10:22pm

Ava Prehistoric Servitude wrote: »

A good, hard recession might make people more economically conservative and be less supportive of people like Cash.

Given what causes recessions (hint: not Margaret Cash), they tend to make people less economically conservative.

normanoffside · 20-09-2019 10:23pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Did she mention the angles?

Yeah she bought the middle angle a pony, that's normally the kind of thing the upper class Foxrock types do, yet she is unemployed (apparently 'working class').

Anyway the gubbermint is robbing her blind.

Mad_maxx · 20-09-2019 10:25pm

westcork67 wrote: »

She drives me nuts! However one of the posters above is correct - this is because our weak-willed politicians live in mortal fear of the media which in the main is controlled by a left-wing agenda. Our anger should be towards them and the media much more so than against the Cash's of this world - they see an opportunity to screw the taxpayer legally and they avail of it.

The surreptitious undermining of true democracy in this country by the left is even more insidious then the blatant effort of Trump and his right-wing cohort to do the same in the USA. The silent majority are continuously ignored and we are at fault - however until a viable political alternative is offered to the people we are screwed

For the sake of middle Ireland, we desperately need a Conservative ( even vaguely such) media outlet to emerge

HailSatan · 20-09-2019 10:25pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Travellers have an entirely different morality to the rest of us.

An ethical minority if you will

One year on from Ms Cash's impassioned speech

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