A lockdown time trial idea - Fishing for interest

BeepBeep67 · 01-06-2020 8:05pm

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Just to clarify, I think we were talking about km progression, not miles. I know it would work either way but just as long as we're all talking the same workout!

Not convinced about the percentage calculations. I'll be struggling to correctly subtract 10 seconds from my target pace as the pace intensifies and my brain starts to shut down. I really don't think I'd be able to correctly adjust my target time by x % as we go along - and I'm a numbers guy!

Just to clarify this, if your progression is to be 10 secs faster per split that's all you need to remember and your previous split. If you run too fast tough, your next split needs to be at least 10 seconds faster.

TFBubendorfer · 01-06-2020 9:01pm

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Just to clarify this, if your progression is to be 10 secs faster per split that's all you need to remember and your previous split. If you run too fast tough, your next split needs to be at least 10 seconds faster.

Yes, I get that. 10 seconds I can handle, I think. It's anything more complicated than that I'm struggling with.

Oh, and you should be disqualified. For showing up the rest of us. :P

Dubh Geannain · 02-06-2020 10:04am

Murph_D wrote: »

Certainly something I would have a go at - I like beepbeep's variation based on TT pace. I'd like to think I could get to mile 14 or 15 based on that (could be wrong!) The challenge would be to keep going til it breaks you.

You've reminded me of the Beep test. Haven't done one myself since secondary school. I've seen a few YouTubers take it on in the last year. Although with the short sharp turns it could be easily cheated if only going by GPS.

MY BAD · 02-06-2020 10:22am

Keep it simple. I like the idea of a relay but I'm not sure how you'd pick teams.

Swashbuckler · 02-06-2020 11:28am

MY BAD wrote:

Keep it simple. I like the idea of a relay but I'm not sure how you'd pick teams.

Easy enough to be honest. I think most of us know what kinda shape people are in on here. You could use a judgement and pick the most even teams within reason. Have four or five on a team with the top three scoring (to allow for dropouts).

It was something I was thinking about for the last TT (and was also suggested by KSU somewhere I think?) but between me having no time and S doing most of the heavy lifting it didn't materialise. It would add quite a bit to the workload for the organiser(s) though.

But to be honest, the first challenge is getting someone to volunteer. The next challenge is then deciding what the TT will be. I'd be happy to see any sort of TT, teams or no teams.

shotgunmcos · 02-06-2020 12:53pm

How about a The Perfect 10TT

Easy pick
10 miles - might suit mid to marathoners
10k - cause it's the sweet spot
10 minutes - a step up for the mile specialists

Just has to be 10x

Then set your own goal. It's got to be progressive and first mile/km/minute is easy or relatively easy.

Make it the prettiest progression and finish with an overall PB!
Drop each step by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...secs
Or your lucky number is say, 11. Drop by 11 secs each step.
Or steal someone elses perfect 10 progression idea too onthe day.

Basically everyone sets a goal for the perfect progressive 10, practice as often as you like but on the day is what counts and what you actually achieve. No %grading. Just great stories about what people learned, the satisfaction of finishing strong, PRs, unusual new workout ideas etc..

Thoughts?

Swashbuckler · 02-06-2020 1:52pm

I think the more inclusive it is the better. And I think something that will have multiple options like above would work very well. Giving people an option of 10mins, 10k or 10M caters to a lot of people. I'd worry a 10 miler alone will mean a lot of people who aren't in serious training won't take part.

skyblue46 · 02-06-2020 6:18pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I think the more inclusive it is the better. And I think something that will have multiple options like above would work very well. Giving people an option of 10mins, 10k or 10M caters to a lot of people. I'd worry a 10 miler alone will mean a lot of people who aren't in serious training won't take part.

I think the 10 mins, 10k and 10 mile on the one day would be brilliant and simple if we forget about the progression element. 3 different length TTs, J &M at the helm and away we go.

OOnegative · 02-06-2020 6:34pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

I think the 10 mins, 10k and 10 mile on the one day would be brilliant and simple if we forget about the progression element. 3 different length TTs, J &M at the helm and away we go.

+1 to this, leave the progression bit out & all out racing at whichever distance you choose. Be a great day!!

Pherekydes · 02-06-2020 7:05pm

I think I could manage 10 minutes. :pac:

skyblue46 · 02-06-2020 8:09pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

I think I could manage 10 minutes. :pac:

I'd say you could go further if you took that 25kg bag of sand off your back

Swashbuckler · 02-06-2020 8:10pm

skyblue46 wrote:

I'd say you could go further if you took that 25kg bag of sand off your back

I had visions of a prediction of finishing the ten mins in 13 mins.

Lazare · 02-06-2020 8:50pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

I think the 10 mins, 10k and 10 mile on the one day would be brilliant and simple if we forget about the progression element. 3 different length TTs, J &M at the helm and away we go.

Yeah, the prog is better suited to being an ongoing thing.

I'll set something up in the next few days.

IvoryTower · 02-06-2020 8:52pm

So youd be "competing" against the people who choose the same category?

shotgunmcos · 03-06-2020 1:20pm

Lazare wrote: »

Yeah, the prog is better suited to being an ongoing thing.

I'll set something up in the next few days.

If you want to set up the Strava group I can take care of the Thread and background excel. I'm not as used to Strava admin but I could figure it out.

Either way, happy to support and drive it on.

10m, 10k, 10mins

Swashbuckler · 03-06-2020 1:33pm

shotgunmcos wrote:

10m, 10k, 10mins

10min is interesting. Crack at sub 10 3k maybe......

shotgunmcos · 03-06-2020 2:23pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

10min is interesting. Crack at sub 10 3k maybe......

Yep, perhaps tasty targets for the fast track types that may otherwise not be interested in 10k or 10m.
3k for some (Sub 5:15 milers

), 2 miles for others (sub 5 milers).

Lazare · 03-06-2020 6:16pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

If you want to set up the Strava group I can take care of the Thread and background excel. I'm not as used to Strava admin but I could figure it out.

Either way, happy to support and drive it on.

10m, 10k, 10mins

Ah I meant I'll set up the Prog challenge thread in the next few days.

Happy to help out with TT#3 too though. I can set up a Strava group.

You wanna start the TT thread itself?

shotgunmcos · 03-06-2020 7:04pm

Lazare wrote: »

Ah I meant I'll set up the Prog challenge thread in the next few days.

Happy to help out with TT#3 too though I can set up a Strava group.

You wanna start the TT thread itself?

Ok confused. Was your progression idea a different thread than the TT? If so don't want to a step on your toes, just said I'll help.

If it was a different thing then yeah, I'll kick off TT#3 Thread in a similar fashion to the lads for consistency. 10min, 10k, 10m. Although the last TT was put to a vote. Should I hold a poll again or do ye think the 3 options are good to go? If so I'll set it up and Lazare or Healy1835* can set up the Strava thread.

*said he would help but busy with the spotlight this week

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Yes, I get that. 10 seconds I can handle, I think. It's anything more complicated than that I'm struggling with.

Oh, and you should be disqualified. For showing up the rest of us. :P

Even 10 secs is hard to do. I tried a few weeks back over 15 miles. It was a very tough LR

Planned drops every mile: 10 secs
Actual drops (using LL Pace): 13,8,12,8,14,7,11,9,10,9,11,11,11,11,9

https://www.strava.com/activities/3290984327/pace-analysis

OOnegative · 03-06-2020 7:08pm

I think your 10x3 idea is a great idea for the next TT M, leave the progressive element out and make it plain all out racing once more.

Swashbuckler · 03-06-2020 7:24pm

OOnegative wrote:

I think your 10x3 idea is a great idea for the next TT M, leave the progressive element out and make it plain all out racing once more.

#metoo

skyblue46 · 03-06-2020 7:27pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

#metoo

Me3

Lazare · 03-06-2020 7:29pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Ok confused. Was your progression idea a different thread than the TT? If so don't want to a step on your toes, just said I'll help.

If it was a different thing then yeah, I'll kick off TT#3 Thread in a similar fashion to the lads for consistency. 10min, 10k, 10m. Although the last TT was put to a vote. Should I hold a poll again or do ye think the 3 options are good to go? If so I'll set it up and Lazare or Healy1835* can set up the Strava thread.

*said he would help but busy with the spotlight this week

Ha, yeah it got a bit confusing a few posts in, I blame that B fella.

Yep, the progression idea was always (in my mind) meant to be a different thing to the TT series. I waited until after the 1m to post about it as I didn't want to take people's attention away from that.

I love your idea for the next TT though.

'TTTTT'
'The Three Tenners Time Trial'

IvoryTower · 03-06-2020 7:34pm

So it's really 3 time trials in one day, pick whatever you want?

Everyone will pick 10k or 10m cause theres nobody has a 10min pb to beat!

Laineyfrecks · 03-06-2020 7:41pm

Yay...another TT

Swashbuckler · 03-06-2020 7:59pm

IvoryTower wrote:

Everyone will pick 10k or 10m cause theres nobody has a 10min pb to beat!

I'd seriously consider the 10min to target 3k.

KSU · 03-06-2020 8:38pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

Everyone will pick 10k or 10m cause theres nobody has a 10min pb to beat!

Actually a fairly good way to gauge true Vo2 max pace though (closer to 8 min but would give a fairly good estimate)

IvoryTower · 03-06-2020 8:42pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I'd seriously consider the 10min to target 3k.

Why not just make it 3k so?

Swashbuckler · 03-06-2020 8:48pm

IvoryTower wrote:

Why not just make it 3k so?

Two reasons,

3k,10k,10M doesn't have the same ring to it!

And we have three volunteers. I'm more than happy to go with their choice.

shotgunmcos · 03-06-2020 9:42pm

Right cause it's the 3rd edition boards TT hee hee

Example
1) TT TT TT
2) 10 10 10
3) min km mi

Select one option from rows 1, 2 and 3. Then set a target. Easy peasy. I'll set up the thread and turn that into a little table this week. Date? Independence Day 4th July?

shotgunmcos · 03-06-2020 9:46pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

Why not just make it 3k so?

2 miles for you!

IvoryTower · 03-06-2020 9:49pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

2 miles for you!

sub 40 10k or a hard long run sounds more fun, I'm sure my coach will love this

Annie get your Run · 04-06-2020 6:55am

IvoryTower wrote: »

So it's really 3 time trials in one day, pick whatever you want?

Everyone will pick 10k or 10m cause theres nobody has a 10min pb to beat!

Noooo! I'm picking 10 mins, why would I go through 50+ mins of pain when I can get it over with in 10 mins

:D. Actually I'd probably use the 10 min one to go all out for 1 mile and see my mile training improvements and then blow up for the last 2 mins!!!

Hannibal_Smith · 04-06-2020 7:10am

IvoryTower wrote: »

Everyone will pick 10k or 10m cause theres nobody has a 10min pb to beat!

Well I wouldnt say nobody

healy1835 · 04-06-2020 12:03pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

If so I'll set it up and Lazare or Healy1835* can set up the Strava thread.

*said he would help but busy with the spotlight this week

He's back. That spotlight thread is intense

just saw the Strava group... Things have moved on I see.

A lockdown time trial idea - Fishing for interest

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