Take the money or report the crime!

MOR316 wrote: »

Jackson? Apart from his odd behaviour and addiction to painkilling drugs, there's literally not one shread of evidence he done anything, pure speculation. Until I see anything credible against him, I'll reserve any judgement in relation to him on that matter.

The rest = Wouldn't even wipe my arse with them*

*Nice to see someone call that odious creature by his real name and not his stage name!

He did have a fairground in his back garden.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Michael Jackson is a perfect example of what the OP is about. Payouts of £130 million plus to children he slept with.

When he was first accused in 1993, the father tried to get 20 million off him, Jackson told him to piss off.
Then he asked for 1 million, he told him to piss off.
500,000...Same answer.

He ended up settling the civil case for 18 million because, despite appealing twice, the civil case was before the criminal one.
The criminal case still went ahead but, two grand juries didn't prosecute because they found absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing.

So yeah, I'd suggest toning down your lies.

20Wheel wrote: »

He did have a fairground in his back garden.

The fairground that Make a Wish foundation kids visited every single day?

What a horrible man!

By your logic so, I best keep away from Funderland

Don't even need to think about it, definitely take the money

MOR316 wrote: »

Jesus Christ...

No wonder the world is ****ed

Agreed. That's exactly how Michael Jackson never went to jail.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Agreed. That's exactly how Michael Jackson never went to jail.

Game of trolls

Raconteuse wrote: »

I understand people saying there's no evidence so it can't be said for certain that he abused boys, but how deluded and pigheaded does a person have to be to claim confidently that he definitely didn't, when he had sleepovers with young boys and when he was fixated with young boys, then lost interest as they got older, and moved on to the next young boys.

Just because of liking his music.

Quite a lot of girls have come forward and said they had sleepovers with him. They say nothing ever happened. But, that doesn't sell so the media wouldn't report it

The losing interest as he got older is a strange one...

There's pictures of him working with one of the accusers as an adult.
One of the accusers, he allowed to record in Neverland, shoot a video in Neverland, have romantic getaways with his finance in Neverland, all as an adult. He even got him a job working with JT and Britney Spears but, the fool messed that up by having an affair with Britney and JT ended up writing Cry Me A River over it

Just so happens the two mentioned in the above paragraph are the two accusers in LN :rolleyes:

From people who knew him as kids, that still hung out with him as adults, is a long list so, I'm not really sure where this rubbish of "he lost interest in them" comes from to be honest with you

I also think it's a load of rubbish to just dismiss people who defend him by him saying, "all because you like the music"
It's a highly ignorant retort, based on what the media tells you, because you're not arsed actually reading up on it.
I like one of his albums, never had any interest in seeing him live, as I thought his tours were crap, I thought he was guilty but, changed my mind when reading all the available info.

So, with all that in mind, tell me how I'm defending him because I "like his music?"

Or, we can ignore that a company belonging to the accuser's went into debt for 24 million and decided to sue Jackson's estate for the exact figure, 2 days later, as he magically remembered he had sex with Jackson and that it was wrong, when he is approaching his 40s

Or, we can ignore that the other accuser begged the estate for a job, working on the MJ tribute show in LV, but decided to cry wolf when he was told no, and the fact a judge already told him, "no trier of fact could ever believe your story"

We can ignore the fact he gave 500 million quid of his own money to various charities, helped save children's lives by sending people around the world to look for matching organ doners, had Make A Wish kids visit NL every day of the year, threatened promoters with cancelling concerts unless they got proper facilities for patients in Children's hospitals, sent kids and adults in Kosovo and Sarajavo supplies when all that horror was going on

We can ignore all that and just blindly go with the current media narrative that MJ bad, fans are bad bull****
LN has over 70 provable lies in it, to the point they even lied about a building that wasn't even built during the timeline of "abuse"
They edited audio and clips, just to make it look incriminating. All the original clips are up on YT and online
I find it absolutely laughable people lap it up as "the truth" and for what?
The director made homophobic and racist remarks about him on Twitter...People laughed at it and yet, we're supposed to be moving away from all that crap?

As I said, no wonder the world is ****ed

Raconteuse wrote: »

Crikey I didn't even quote you.

I'm on lunch and I can't afford the Christmas party tonight so, venting my energy on here

Raconteuse wrote: »

I'd pass my Christmas party invite to you if I could.

No I was only aiming my post at Nox, and I agree people can't be saying he definitely did it. But I believe equally there are no grounds for saying he definitely DIDN'T do it either. His behaviour was downright weird and skirting inappropriate. And while this doesn't mean he abused children for certain, there are grounds to believe he might have

Also, abuse survivors repress these things or have distorted memories or even feel guilty. So coming forward is not straightforward for them, and it makes sense that they'd lie in denial.

The last line, I don't buy it in regards the two accusers in LN

They testified on his behalf, twice in one of thier cases. One of them asked directly in court, repeatedly if anything even slightly sexual occured, he shot it down and said no, explaining he knows it's wrong and terrible but, Jackson never done anything to him. All this under oath. Footage of him on talk shows singing his praises etc

His own depositon from 2017, contradicts everything he and his mother said in LN. It's actually disgusting.

Nah, not for a second I'm buying it. Not from those two. A clear cash grab in my opinion

theguzman wrote: »

I'd take the money and use that money to enact my own revenge upon the person responsible, there is no justice or law and order in Ireland, the Gardai and Judiciary are corrupt.

If someone murdered my loved-one or did some extreme form of crime (like Rape or Pedophilia) to them then I would have absolutely no problem or hesitation to kill who was responsible for that firstly because that is natural and proper justice and secondary because when there is no law I have nothing to fear. I might get a 10 year sentence and be out after 6-7 years of good behaviour a small price to pay for to end the life of the perpetrator when the state won't deliver justice.

MOR316 wrote: »

Last thing I'm saying on this.

You're right, it was very inappropriate. By his own words, that stopped in 1993 and didn't happen again after that. Regardless, still inappropriate and something he was rightfully pushed on, no matter how innocent either party said it was.

If people wish to defend it by saying nothing sexual happened, of course that's fine. But, you cannot defend the actions of putting themselves in that position. No matter how innocent, it raises questions and is inapproprioate. He probably thought it was fine as it was how he grew up, as pictures show but, not the way society thinks

You were either implying he abused the kid sexually or communicated poorly.
I don't think they slept in the same bed btw, the same room based on what macauley Culkin said and it was huge with 2 floors. They were on different floors.