No Time to Die Spoilers from post #1449 onward

p to the e · 16-04-2019 12:00pm

Maybe I'm being cynical but seems more like a diversity box ticking exercise to counter act hints at misogyny and/or sexism. Waller-Bridge has an offbeat unusual writing style which I think would go against the grain of the extremely over protective Broccolis.

pixelburp · 16-04-2019 12:03pm

p to the e wrote: »

Maybe I'm being cynical but seems more like a diversity box ticking exercise to counter act hints at misogyny and/or sexism. Waller-Bridge has an offbeat unusual writing style which I think would go against the grain of the extremely over protective Broccolis.

You're being cynical

"Craig, who lives in New York with his wife Rachel Weisz, is a fan of Fleabag, which reached the end of its second and probably last series on BBC1 last Monday, and also of Killing Eve, which Waller-Bridge developed.

Waller-Bridge has been in New York for the past few weeks, latterly performing in a stage version of Fleabag, which ends on Sunday.

Sources close to the film in the US said that while in the country she discussed with Craig how to improve the script of Bond 25, which the 007 actor felt needed some “polishing”, by introducing more humour and the offbeat style of writing she is best known for."

By all accounts Craig appears to be calling shots, but was probably part of the deal to keep him playing Bond for a little longer.

SoundsRight · 16-04-2019 12:07pm

I'm starting to worry the franchise has ran out of steam. The last three have been pretty dismal affairs. Would hate to see them sink into mediocrity.

Dades · 16-04-2019 3:49pm

If that article is true then kudos to Craig for seeing that the franchise has moved too far from its roots.

Bond has become Bourne. After Spectre it needs that injection of "wit and quirkiness", and maybe Waller-Bridge is the one to add it.

p to the e · 16-04-2019 4:00pm

pixelburp wrote: »

You're being cynical

"Craig, who lives in New York with his wife Rachel Weisz, is a fan of Fleabag, which reached the end of its second and probably last series on BBC1 last Monday, and also of Killing Eve, which Waller-Bridge developed.

Waller-Bridge has been in New York for the past few weeks, latterly performing in a stage version of Fleabag, which ends on Sunday.

Sources close to the film in the US said that while in the country she discussed with Craig how to improve the script of Bond 25, which the 007 actor felt needed some “polishing”, by introducing more humour and the offbeat style of writing she is best known for."

By all accounts Craig appears to be calling shots, but was probably part of the deal to keep him playing Bond for a little longer.

Very interesting. I wonder has Craig got involved with the writing process for any of the other Bonds.

It's odd that with Craig they basically hit the reset button away from the naff humour and over the top gadgets and went more "Bourne". Hopefully they don't go crazy with the humour and we get back to Roger Moore type antics.

JP Liz V1 · 16-04-2019 10:57pm

pixelburp wrote: »

By all accounts Craig appears to be calling shots, but was probably part of the deal to keep him playing Bond for a little longer.

I wonder did Craig and Boyle clash hence his exit

I just can't imagine Craig's Bond funny

py2006 · 25-04-2019 1:41pm

eviltimeban · 25-04-2019 1:45pm

Nothing major revealed in that. Good to see Ana De Armas and Billy Magnussen in the cast; I wonder will Magnussen be in more a comedic role as that's his area. No word on Waltz but that doesn't he won't show up in it as a surprise.

It's strange they didn't announce the title though; unless they still don't have one.

py2006 · 25-04-2019 1:47pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niiS0uBs9ec

SoundsRight · 25-04-2019 2:36pm

Ana de Armas is smoking hot. I'm sure she's a talented actress also. Rami Malak looks about as villainous as Mr.Tumble.

Was hoping they'd bring back Bautista for a bit of old school menace.

Casting looks a bit too 'woke', unless they put Moneypenny back behind her desk. The plot will probably reference climate change or the Windrush scandal no doubt

JP Liz V1 · 25-04-2019 2:58pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Nothing major revealed in that. Good to see Ana De Armas and Billy Magnussen in the cast; I wonder will Magnussen be in more a comedic role as that's his area. No word on Waltz but that doesn't he won't show up in it as a surprise.

It's strange they didn't announce the title though; unless they still don't have one.

I like to see Billy Magnussen as a villain

eviltimeban · 25-04-2019 3:04pm

SoundsRight wrote: »

Ana de Armas is smoking hot. I'm sure she's a talented actress also. Rami Malak looks about as villainous as Mr.Tumble.

I dunno, I think he can do that creepy unhinged thing quite well. While I don't think he should've even been nominated for Bohemian Rhapsody, even his pre-recorded speech on the live broadcast was kind of unnerving!

pixelburp · 25-04-2019 3:05pm

SoundsRight wrote: »

Ana de Armas is smoking hot. I'm sure she's a talented actress also. Rami Malak looks about as villainous as Mr.Tumble.

Was hoping they'd bring back Bautista for a bit of old school menace.

Casting looks a bit too 'woke', unless they put Moneypenny back behind her desk. The plot will probably reference climate change or the Windrush scandal no doubt

Well that didn't take long.

sky88 · 25-04-2019 3:13pm

really not liking the idea of malek as the villian not a fan at all

rest of the cast looks good

Sad Professor · 25-04-2019 3:24pm

If Malek is playing a Silicon Valley tech genius (as I think pixelburp speculated earlier in the thread) then an extra injection of wokeness might be kinda fitting given how much those guys love to cloak their activities in cultural progressivism. I can imagine Malek surrounded by a bunch of female CEOs and drone pilots lecturing Bond on his toxic masculinity and white privilege while the killer laser beam gets closer to his crotch.

Sad Professor · 25-04-2019 4:06pm

Synopsis:

Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.

SoundsRight · 25-04-2019 4:07pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

If Malek is playing a Silicon Valley tech genius (as I think pixelburp speculated earlier in the thread) then an extra injection of wokeness might be kinda fitting given how much those guys love to cloak their activities in cultural progressivism. I can imagine Malek surrounded by a bunch of female CEOs and drone pilots lecturing Bond on his toxic masculinity and white privilege while the killer laser beam gets closer to his crotch.

I think the 'laser to the crotch' trope is a bit transphobic, because it assumes all men have male genitalia, and having them removed shouldn't be seen as torture.

eviltimeban · 25-04-2019 5:07pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Synopsis:

Where's that from?

Cryptopagan · 25-04-2019 6:15pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

If Malek is playing a Silicon Valley tech genius (as I think pixelburp speculated earlier in the thread) then an extra injection of wokeness might be kinda fitting given how much those guys love to cloak their activities in cultural progressivism. I can imagine Malek surrounded by a bunch of female CEOs and drone pilots lecturing Bond on his toxic masculinity and white privilege while the killer laser beam gets closer to his crotch.

I didn’t think anyone could come up with a worse idea for a Bond villain than a Blofeld who is just insecure and jealous of teenage Bond’s relationship with his own father, but this comes pretty damn close.

Sad Professor · 25-04-2019 7:04pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Where's that from?

It's been posted in a few places. I assume there was a press release sent out.

https://www.slashfilm.com/james-bond-25-details/

Wedwood · 25-04-2019 11:14pm

Spectre basically copied the Austin Powers 'reveal' that both Powers and Dr Evil were long lost siblings. By that reckoning, Malik could be Mini Me.

Dades · 25-04-2019 11:25pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Synopsis:

Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.

I like it. Sounds like an old school Bond plot. It's all been a bit too personal the last few movies.

And as long as Ana de Armas isn't the scientist. Denise Richards was bad enough.

Kirby · 26-04-2019 4:37am

Dades wrote: »

I like it. Sounds like an old school Bond plot. It's all been a bit too personal the last few movies.

And as long as Ana de Armas isn't the scientist. Denise Richards was bad enough.

Ana and Denise can be whatever characters they want as far as I'm concerned.

Harry Palmr · 25-06-2019 2:30pm

Licensed to Perv

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/25/bond-25-man-charged-after-hidden-camera-found-in-loo-on-film-set

A man has been charged with voyeurism following the discovery of a hidden camera in the women’s lavatories at Pinewood Studios, where the new James Bond film is being shot.

Peter Hartley was arrested by Thames Valley police last week and charged over the weekend.

A statement said: “Thames Valley police is investigating a report of voyeurism, which was made from an address [on] Pinewood Road, Iver Heath, Buckinghamshire. A 49-year-old man has been arrested in connection with this incident and remains in police custody.”

It is not known if Hartley is connected with either the studio or the latest 007 film.

DrumSteve · 25-06-2019 3:03pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Licensed to Perv

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/25/bond-25-man-charged-after-hidden-camera-found-in-loo-on-film-set

GoldenEye?

Agent Coulson · 25-06-2019 3:37pm

On set clip from Jamaica

27-06-2019 12:35am

hopefully Craig can go out with a bang with something nearer the excellent Casino Royale than the rest of the other muck that he has been involved in.

The poker section in Casion Royale wonderfully broke up the movie and turned out masterfully in terms of pacing.

from the synopsis though I won't raise my expectations too high.

Although if Malek is cast in an understated calculated sort-of-way as opposed to some overtly psychotic antagonist (as has been the wont of the directors in the last few) it has a better chance of working.

being honest mission impossible with the ensemble cast approach has worked a lot better in recent times.

Dades · 27-06-2019 4:44pm

glasso wrote: »

hopefully Craig can go out with a bang with something nearer the excellent Casino Royale than the rest of the other muck that he has been involved in.

The poker section in Casion Royale wonderfully broke up the movie and turned out masterfully in terms of pacing.

When I think of Casino Royale, its the scenes in the hotel in Montenegro that I remember.

Despite the huge action pieces in Madagascar, Miami, Venice etc... It's Bond, Le Chiffre, Vesper and the poker game that elevate this movie above most.

Bond has become Bourne since then.

Acosta · 27-06-2019 5:25pm

Yup, the poker scenes and what happens in between is arguably the best sequence in any Bond movie. It's pure classic Bond.

While the rest of the movies didn't live up to Casino Royale, their all very watchable and mostly enjoyable. Watched Spector again recently and thought it was better than I remembered it form the first time around. Skyfall is very good, but all the hype around it at the time was annoying. It's nowhere near the best and neither is the song.

Dades · 27-06-2019 5:58pm

I find them all watchable, really. But Casino Royale had that class to it. A great villain and one of the best ever Bond girls.

Loved the Skyfall theme, but that Sam Smith one.... goddawful.

27-06-2019 7:52pm

Dades wrote: »

When I think of Casino Royale, its the scenes in the hotel in Montenegro that I remember.

Despite the huge action pieces in Madagascar, Miami, Venice etc... It's Bond, Le Chiffre, Vesper and the poker game that elevate this movie above most.

Bond has become Bourne since then.

worked so well as I said - notwithstanding the fact that the actual play would not happen in a real top-level poker game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwPd8WmVP54

27-06-2019 7:55pm

Acosta wrote: »

Yup, the poker scenes and what happens in between is arguably the best sequence in any Bond movie. It's pure classic Bond.

While the rest of the movies didn't live up to Casino Royale, their all very watchable and mostly enjoyable. Watched Spector again recently and thought it was better than I remembered it form the first time around. Skyfall is very good, but all the hype around it at the time was annoying. It's nowhere near the best and neither is the song.

yes none come even remotely close to Casino Royale. watchable but very forgettable even for Skyfall which I found really annoying. the last 20 minutes / ending was dire.

Spectre was mostly rubbish but the carnival day of the dead scene was fantastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Ibq4zPRYs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMKqQPQcks

Gamb!t · 27-06-2019 10:29pm

I doubt we will see another good Bond movie with Craig.

branie2 · 01-07-2019 5:11pm

Grace Jones was supposed to make a cameo role in the film, but she quit on arriving at the studio, when she found that she only had a few lines.

01-07-2019 5:12pm

branie2 wrote: »

Grace Jones was supposed to make a cameo role in the film, but she quit on arriving at the studio, when she found that she only had a few lines.

well she always was and still is a bit of a Diva!

great candidate for one of those snicker's ads.

Acosta · 01-07-2019 5:15pm

glasso wrote: »

well she always was and still is a bit of a Diva!

great candidate for one of those snicker's ads.

The only actor Roger Moore couldn't speak fondly of during all this time in the part.

01-07-2019 5:18pm

Acosta wrote: »

The only actor Roger Moore couldn't speak fondly of during all this time in the part.

she had more testosterone than that African runner.

“Still, we had yet to do a love scene together. I slipped between the sheets. She slid in beside me, bringing with her an enormous black sex toy. Very funny.”

that is actually kind of funny on her part!

ArmaniJeanss · 12-07-2019 11:43am

Waltz spotted on set, return still not confirmed though.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/12/weve-been-expecting-you-christoph-waltz-returning-as-blofeld-for-james-bond-25

dastardly00 · 12-07-2019 12:25pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Waltz spotted on set, return still not confirmed though.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/12/weve-been-expecting-you-christoph-waltz-returning-as-blofeld-for-james-bond-25

While it is probably true... I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't considering it came from a tip-off to a Daily Mail entertainment reporter :pac:

Kintarō Hattori · 15-07-2019 9:45am

I'm surprised there isn't any posts (so far as I can see) around this:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-daniel-craig

Mr E · 15-07-2019 9:49am

Saw that this morning - to save a click:

While Daniel Craig is set to reprise his role as James Bond in the next film, the franchise is set for a shake-up, with reports claiming that black British actor Lashana Lynch has been cast as 007 – taking over Bond’s secret agent number after his character leaves M16.

w/s/p/c/ · 15-07-2019 10:13am

If these rumours are true, it's ridiculous. If they want a female spy film so bad, just give her a different agent code and introduce her in this film, with her own to follow. 007 will and always be James Bond!!!!!!!!

dastardly00 · 15-07-2019 10:18am

I'm thinking that maybe she (007) gets killed during the film and then Bond regains his 007 number by the end?

pixelburp · 15-07-2019 10:22am

"has been cast as 007"

What's the problem here? 007 is only a codename, and as the above post suggests if this is true, it's probably via an Inciting Incident of 007 getting KIA, necessitating the return of Bond for One Last Mission.

Dades · 15-07-2019 11:18am

I'm very uneasy about this.

What is the necessity to break the link between 007 and James Bond?

Speaking as a lifelong Bond fan, the two monikers have always been interchangeable. It's part of the brand; what has enabled the franchise to be recycled through six iterations. Bond has already stripped away a lot of what made it Bond, and not Bourne/M.I.

I don't care whether the new imposter 007 is black/white/male/female, they just better not separate Bond from his codename permanently. Whoever the next Bond is, the reboot better reset a lot of stuff.

pixelburp · 15-07-2019 11:24am

It's part of the brand yeah, but in-universe it's perfectly valid: how often across the films have we seen interchangeable 00 agents, either cannon fodder or the main bad guy?

Daniel Craig is getting older, and seems to be on record as thoroughly done with Bond. It's not a stretch for a script - if indeed that's what's being done - to have Bond start off as retired (again, something done before), with the new 007 killed in some fashion that requires Bond to re-assume the mantle.

Tony EH · 15-07-2019 11:39am

Dades wrote: »

I'm very uneasy about this.

It'll kill the franchise stone dead.

Not that I'd care, it's been rubbish for years, with a slight up tick during the Craig era.

But if it ended completely, I wouldn't shed any tears.

pixelburp · 15-07-2019 11:42am

Tony EH wrote: »

It'll kill the franchise stone dead.

Not that I'd care, it's been rubbish for years, with a slight up tick during the Craig era.

But if it ended completely, I wouldn't shed any tears.

James Bond won't end while its product placement effectively bankrolls the productions. It was always a 90 luxury brand advertisement back to the Connery era, but wasn't Spectre's production budget almost entirely based on brand sponsorship?

MisterAnarchy · 15-07-2019 11:43am

pixelburp wrote: »

"has been cast as 007"

Tony EH · 15-07-2019 11:45am

pixelburp wrote: »

wasn't Spectre's production budget almost entirely based on brand sponsorship?

Maybe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But either way, I cannot see James Bond's core audience flocking to a series with Jane Bond as the hero.

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