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NI Marriage Equality - Needs to be an election issue for the DUP. Not just petitions.

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    #32
    Annasopra
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    Can't see marriage equality happening anytime soon with DUP now putting Tories in power.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #33
    Ten of Swords
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    Pride flag flying outside Stormont house on August 4th, authorised by NI secretary James Brokenshire :)

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    #34
    Lmklad
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    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/uniformed-garda-and-psni-officers-march-in-belfast-pride-parade-800943.html

    Times are changing.


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    #35
    JupiterKid
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    That's great to hear. No doubt the DUP bigots were there protesting as well, as they always do. But I have a question - why were the Gardai marching in Belfast? Surely NI is not their jurisdiction.


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    #36
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    That's great to hear. No doubt the DUP bigots were there protesting as well, as they always do. But I have a question - why were the Gardai marching in Belfast? Surely NI is not their jurisdiction.

    I'd imagine it's part of a cross-border initiative to foster good relationships.


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    #37
    Peregrinus
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    That's great to hear. No doubt the DUP bigots were there protesting as well, as they always do. But I have a question - why were the Gardai marching in Belfast? Surely NI is not their jurisdiction.
    So? You don't need to have the status of a police officer to participate in a Pride parade.

    Officially, most likely, they would have been invited by their opposite numbers in the PSNI and they would be there as guests. A Garda contingent marching in a pride parade in NI is no different than a PSNI team playing in a football game in the Republic.


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    #38
    Lmklad
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    The Deputy Chief Constable of the PSNI invited U.K. forces and the Gardai.


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    #39
    Annasopra
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    I think it was a subtle showing of solidarity for the Gardai who are not allowed march in uniform in pride parades here in the Republic

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #40
    Lmklad
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    That's the thing Joey, Gardai would still need permission from here to go up there. Guess things are changing here too.


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    #41
    Ten of Swords
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    Talks between Sinn Fein and the DUP with a view to forming a government have ended in failure. The reason is due to an inability to agree on a number of key issues, including same sex marriage
    Michelle O'Neill (SF)
    Over the last 10 months, the focus of these negotiations has been on the delivery of rights which are the norm everywhere else on these islands...

    Many of these rights are fundamental parts of the Good Friday and other agreements. They are for the benefit of all sections of society and threaten no-one...

    Furthermore, marriage equality, language rights, the Bill of Rights and the right to coroners inquests are supported by a majority in the assembly and in wider society.

    http://www.newstalk.com/Westminster-moves-to-impose-budget-on-Stormont

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    #42
    Ten of Swords
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    A bill is being debated in Westminster today that states if the Stormont assembly is not up and running g by October 21st then Westminter can legislate same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland to bring it in line with the rest of the UK re ssm

    Hopefully this will pass.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0708/1060814-same-sex-marriage-ni/

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    #43
    gmisk
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    It passed!
    Same-sex marriage and abortion to be legalised in North if no power-sharing by 21 October https://jrnl.ie/4717703

    Very exciting!


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    Ten of Swords
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    Delighted, let's see if the DUP start making concessions to Sinn Fein in order to get Stormont up and running so they can ban this.

    My money says they won't, they'll take it on the chin because they can say they never voted for it, Britain did :D

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    #45
    Annasopra
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    But Sinn Fein won't agree to form a new executive if it leaves it open to a DUP veto on this issue!!!!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #46
    mr.anonymous
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    Very happy to see this. If not for us, for how much it'll piss the DUP off.


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    #47
    Ten of Swords
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    2 days before bonfire night too

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    #48
    L1011
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    But Sinn Fein won't agree to form a new executive if it leaves it open to a DUP veto on this issue!!!!

    DUP are three short to veto this and the UUP have said they won't help them.


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    #49
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    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Delighted, let's see if the DUP start making concessions to Sinn Fein in order to get Stormont up and running so they can ban this.

    My money says they won't, they'll take it on the chin because they can say they never voted for it, Britain did :D

    Agreed, but the image of Arlene Foster having a complete sh*tfit over the predicament she now finds herself in is just so.... satisfying.

    I hope she has an awesome 12th of July :cool:


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    #50
    Ten of Swords
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    Nothing like the thought that LGBT people might be getting one over on them to get the DUP back to work

    They're already looking for ways to sabotage the legislation by tabling their own amendments to the bill
    Three DUP Lords – Lord Morrow, Lord Browne of Belmont, and Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown – have tabled an amendment on marriage “requiring the Secretary of State to issue statutory guidance supporting freedom of expression and freedom of conscience in educational institutions in relation to beliefs about the definition of marriage”.

    This would allow businesses and organisations to discriminate against same-sex couples by not letting them avail of their products or services.

    Peers Lords Cormack and Trimble have tabled a second amendment which extends the deadline to April 10, 2020.

    Baroness O’Loan and DUP Lord Hay of Ballymore have tabled an amendment which states that the secretary of state for Northern Ireland must conduct a consultation with Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs) in Northern Ireland before taking any action.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahalothman/peers-derail-same-sex-abortion

    I presume this is the same Lord Trimble who is in the papers right now saying how he had done a personal U-Turn on his opinion of LGBT marriage since his daughter just married her partner

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49004816

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    #51
    Ten of Swords
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    Only 3 weeks to go :)

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    #52
    Annasopra
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    Theres an Opera about the DUPs homophobia now :D

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/theatre-arts/opera-featuring-iris-robinsons-gay-abomination-comments-to-be-staged-in-belfast-38507228.html

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #53
    Annasopra
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    I shed a few tears this morning watching the NI celebrations last night and reading horrific stories of the 80s about women travelling.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #54
    Ten of Swords
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    About time, both SSM and access to abortion had majority support across NI for many years. DUP simply using their minority veto to frustrate the process over and over again. Funny how they were all (symbolically) ready to go back to work on Monday - that really was just a cheap shot.

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    #55
    JupiterKid
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    Absolutely delighted that same-sex marriage and the right of women to control their bodies has belatedly and finally come to Northern Ireland. :) I was born in Belfast and my family are from NI so this means a lot to me personally.

    The DUP bigots - who do not represent the majority of the populace in the North and were drunk on power the past couple of years - have reaped what they sowed given their hypocritical positions on the (still suspended) Stormont Assembly and Brexit. They have only themselves to blame.


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    #56
    Ten of Swords
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    I love this picture :D

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    #57
    wiggle16
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    EPIC!


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