Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

prawnsambo · 15-10-2019 10:44am

blackwhite wrote: »

That's the case for American sports - not for rugby.

There are actually bans in rugby that prohibit all involvement in the sport. Drugs bans would be one, and iirc Trevor Brennan was banned for life from all participation following his attacking a fan.

blackwhite · 15-10-2019 11:20am

prawnsambo wrote: »

There are actually bans in rugby that prohibit all involvement in the sport. Drugs bans would be one, and iirc Trevor Brennan was banned for life from all participation following his attacking a fan.

The drugs bans are mandated by WADA and apply in all sports in a similar manner. There's the concept of "prohibited association" regarding pretty much any dealings with someone serving a drugs ban - so if someone did train whilst serving a drugs ban, everyone else involved in the session would be risking sanction from WADA also.

Brennan's lifetime ban (reduced to 5 years on appeal) was for playing only - his age meant that even the 5 year ban was enough to end his career. In addition ERC banned him from any participation in ERC competitions - but wouldn't cover training or anything like that. Brennan was active in coaching underage teams in Toulouse following his retirement (and I'm fairly sure during the period of his ban as well).

arsebiscuits1 · 15-10-2019 11:20am

Coaches have been known to step in to training - including Ciaran Ruddock even getting blocks strapped on for lineouts. They're not registered players let alone registered squad members for the RWC.

I highly doubt Akis ban excludes him from training if these guys can step in

Mr Tickle · 15-10-2019 1:41pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Coaches have been known to step in to training - including Ciaran Ruddock even getting blocks strapped on for lineouts. They're not registered players let alone registered squad members for the RWC.

I highly doubt Akis ban excludes him from training if these guys can step in

Just curious, what does that mean?

Podge_irl · 15-10-2019 1:47pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Just curious, what does that mean?

It's the taping you see around lock's thighs (and some backrows) with grips (the blocks) for lifting.

Portsalon · 15-10-2019 2:12pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

There are actually bans in rugby that prohibit all involvement in the sport. Drugs bans would be one, and iirc Trevor Brennan was banned for life from all participation following his attacking a fan.

There used to be a complete ban for players who committed the ultimate heresy, i.e. took the devil's gold and switched to Rugby league.

Older readers will remember the late Kenny Goodall who got this treatment before being re-instated by the IRFU following the introduction of professional rugby union.

blackwhite · 15-10-2019 2:57pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Just curious, what does that mean?

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OldRio · 15-10-2019 3:49pm

World Rugby's Alan Gilpin has refuted suggestions made by a Mr. S. Jones, an alleged journalist. This was in regard to the supposed representations the IRFU made to WR in relation to the Scotland v Japan 'cancellation' game.

No surprise.

sydthebeat · 15-10-2019 4:00pm

OldRio wrote: »

World Rugby's Alan Gilpin has refuted suggestions made by a Mr. S. Jones, an alleged journalist. This was in regard to the supposed representations the IRFU made to WR in relation to the Scotland v Japan 'cancellation' game.

No surprise.

Speaking at a World Cup Post Pool Media Briefing in Tokyo on Monday, Alan Gilpin, the tournament director and World Rugby’s Chief Operating Officer addressed the issue in his opening remarks about the decision to cancel rather than rearrange other fixtures including New Zealand v Italy and England v France on Saturday on safety grounds as the super typhoon hit Japan and swept through a huge swathe of the country, killing more than 70 people and causing widespread damage.

“While we had appropriate discussions with a number of unions, no decisions were based on pressure from any particular unions,” Gilpin said.

“And it’s also important to clarify that we did not have those discussions with Ireland.”

so they they discuss with unions... but irelands IRFU wasnt one of them....

thats as definitive as can be.... awaiting your grovelling apology now Mr Jones.

blackwhite · 15-10-2019 4:41pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

so they they discuss with unions... but irelands IRFU wasnt one of them....

thats as definitive as can be.... awaiting your grovelling apology now Mr Jones.

Will be waiting a long time for an apology for that hate-filled waste of space.

I'd love the hear that the IRFU have taken legal action against him - but I doubt they actually would.

Portsalon · 15-10-2019 4:49pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

thats as definitive as can be.... awaiting your grovelling apology now Mr Jones.

Maybe you could set him an example by apologising to me for the misleading info that you posted in response to my Olding post on the French rugby thread least week?

Or are you, like Mr. Jones, too important to apologise when you make a mistake?

arsebiscuits1 · 15-10-2019 4:53pm

Portsalon wrote: »

Maybe you could set him an example by apologising to me for the misleading info that you posted in response to my Olding post on the French rugby thread least week?

Or are you, like Mr. Jones, too important to apologise when you make a mistake?

Misleading =/= out and out lie

Weepsie · 15-10-2019 4:57pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Coaches have been known to step in to training - including Ciaran Ruddock even getting blocks strapped on for lineouts. They're not registered players let alone registered squad members for the RWC.

I highly doubt Akis ban excludes him from training if these guys can step in

It's reported in at least 2 papers I've read too. Maybe it's a thing, it seems stupid though if it is, unless its some sort of gross misconduct or doping ban.

It would seem perfectly reasonable too for coaches to step in. There was no mention of such a ban for Hodge though

blackwhite · 15-10-2019 5:03pm

Weepsie wrote: »

It's reported in at least 2 papers I've read too. Maybe it's a thing, it seems stupid though if it is, unless its some sort of gross misconduct or doping ban.

It would seem perfectly reasonable too for coaches to step in. There was no mention of such a ban for Hodge though

Other than doping, and the historic "Professionalism" cases, the only other one I can think of that might have resulted in a type of all-encompassing ban was Bloodgate; fairly sure that the ban that Richards received was from all management and coaching activities. Can't find anything anywhere that mentions if he was also banned from lacing up the boots and playing a bit of vets rugby :pac:

15-10-2019 7:28pm

Portsalon wrote: »

Maybe you could set him an example by apologising to me for the misleading info that you posted in response to my Olding post on the French rugby thread least week?

Or are you, like Mr. Jones, too important to apologise when you make a mistake?

It's not really a mistake situation. He probably had some information about WR talking to Unions and decided to use the situation to have yet another go at Ireland. Now the Telegraph readership right now are probably happy enough and don't appear to have standards anymore, so I don't imagine he will face consequences - but in a different era he'd lost his job over this and still should.

It's a bare faced lie.

Bridge93 · 15-10-2019 7:39pm

What I don’t understand is that Ireland and New Zealand set to benefit least of everyone bar Scotland from that game not going ahead. How stupid is this man? If you’re going to lie would it not make sense to pick even slightly believable targets?

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-10-2019 7:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not really a mistake situation. He probably had some information about WR talking to Unions and decided to use the situation to have yet another go at Ireland. Now the Telegraph readership right now are probably happy enough and don't appear to have standards anymore, so I don't imagine he will face consequences

Its those troublesome Irish who are sticking a spanner in the works and spoiling Brexit and the return to a Great Britain that is able to restore the best aspects of the Empire and end being held back and controlled by continentals, so you couldnt put it past the sneaky Irish to do something like that in the rugger either.

blackwhite · 16-10-2019 8:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not really a mistake situation. He probably had some information about WR talking to Unions and decided to use the situation to have yet another go at Ireland. Now the Telegraph readership right now are probably happy enough and don't appear to have standards anymore, so I don't imagine he will face consequences - but in a different era he'd lost his job over this and still should.

It's a bare faced lie.

Jones doesn't write for the Telegraph

Clegg · 16-10-2019 2:04pm

Rob Herring is flying out to Japan to replace the injured Sean Cronin.

16-10-2019 5:32pm

Nothing of note came out after the release of Jamie Heaslip's book? Usually something slightly scandalous gets revealed, like POC knocking someone out in training.

Squidgy Black · 16-10-2019 5:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nothing of note came out after the release of Jamie Heaslip's book? Usually something slightly scandalous gets revealed, like POC knocking someone out in training.

Someone would have to read it to find out if there's anything scandalous.

I'm sure it's a great book in all seriousness.

16-10-2019 5:43pm

I've yet to read an autobiography of a sportsperson. I dunno why but I can't imagine it could be that interesting.

mfceiling · 16-10-2019 7:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've yet to read an autobiography of a sportsperson. I dunno why but I can't imagine it could be that interesting.

Very few are. Most are early days in school. Get picked for club, province, country. A couple of anecdotes about former players. Finish up with how they are adjusting to life after the game.
Rinse and repeat.

salmocab · 16-10-2019 7:24pm

Sports biographies are amongst the worst reads available.

sydthebeat · 16-10-2019 8:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've yet to read an autobiography of a sportsperson. I dunno why but I can't imagine it could be that interesting.

Tony cascarinos is very good.

And while not an autobiography, castel de sangro is a great sports book about a relatively unknown sports story

Spr1ngsteen · 16-10-2019 8:34pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Tony cascarinos is very good.

And while not an autobiography, castel de sangro is a great sports book about a relatively unknown sports story

Andre Agassi's one is excellent

kuang1 · 16-10-2019 9:18pm

Spr1ngsteen wrote: »

Andre Agassi's one is excellent

Yeah not a bad one. Comes across as a bit of an asshole in parts of it which is actually a credit to the book.
(Given that it's an autobiography

)

Paul McGraths would be one of the better ones I've read.

Professor Moriarty · 16-10-2019 11:05pm

kuang1 wrote: »

Yeah not a bad one. Comes across as a bit of an asshole in parts of it which is actually a credit to the book.
(Given that it's an autobiography )

Paul McGraths would be one of the better ones I've read.

Agassi's is very good. As is Mike Tyson's.

Former Former · 16-10-2019 11:16pm

Trevor Brennan's book was the best rugby bio I've read. I thought Paul O'Connell's was possibly the worst, but Peter Stringer and BOD weren't far behind.

Not really the same, but I would always recommend 'Engage', the bio of Matt Hampson. Absolutely brilliant.

Professor Moriarty · 16-10-2019 11:18pm

Former Former wrote: »

Trevor Brennan's book was the best rugby bio I've read. I thought Paul O'Connell's was possibly the worst, but Peter Stringer and BOD weren't far behind.

Not really the same, but I would always recommend 'Engage', the bio of Matt Hampson. Absolutely brilliant.

It's been a while since I read it, but Jonny Wilkinson's bio was very good.

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