The Jumpers are Coming 2018/19

Chasing it is . lol

Early days still but have just taken Summerville Boy @14s ew with b365 after that.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him go the chase route now. Hard to take any positives other than he got round.

I actually think that everyone has the reading of this race all wrong.

People have said that Samcro did not show a turn of foot at the finish, or that it was slow. I don't think I can agree with that for starters. Bedrock is out of Fastnet Rock and Galileo on the damsire side. When you consider that the race today was run over 2m on good ground with a downhill finish, then in a straight shoot out, a horse like Bedrock is always going to have the speed advantage in terms of breeding, and that is even before we consider the 5lb it had in hand. Not only that, but Bedrock has plenty in the form book that suggests that it would have adapted well to this race. Samcro on the other hand has probably never run on ground this good, or raced on a track with such an easy finish. With any bit of juice in the ground, or any stiffer of a finish and this result would be turned around easily. Even with just a second run, it's possible that Samcro might have turned over Bedrock with the benefit of an extra run.

The next thing I don't agree with is the notion that this race was ran slow. In the G3 race before Samcro's, Sancta Simona which you'd imagine now has designs on the mares novice race at Cheltenham (ie. it's no mug) won in a time of Time: 3m 51.40s (slow by 1.40s). Bedrock won at a time of Time: 3m 43.80s (fast by 6.20s). Even if you discount Sancta Simona (it's just a novice), you can check past graded 2m races at Downroyal. I was not able to find a similar type of race that was run as quick. I don't see anything to suggest that this race was run slow.

So with all that said, I think this was a freak result where Bedrock was put into a race that couldn't possibly have suited it better (fair play to Jardine, he's a genius). However, if you discount that performance and look at Samcro (160 rated) and Sharjah (155 rated) as a pair, and the manner in which Samcro trounced it, I wouldn't be at all disheartened with Samcro. Sharjah after all was race fit, had 8lbs in hand on Samcro, and has a Galway Hurdle under its belt so it had no excuses.

In my opinion, Samcro ran a fine race and it'll beat whatever it meets in the Morgiana.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I actually think that everyone has the reading of this race all wrong.

People have said that Samcro did not show a turn of foot at the finish, or that it was slow. I don't think I can agree with that for starters. Bedrock is out of Fastnet Rock and Galileo on the damsire side. When you consider that the race today was run over 2m on good ground with a downhill finish, then in a straight shoot out, a horse like Bedrock is always going to have the speed advantage in terms of breeding, and that is even before we consider the 5lb it had in hand. Not only that, but Bedrock has plenty in the form book that suggests that it would have adapted well to this race. Samcro on the other hand has probably never run on ground this good, or raced on a track with such an easy finish. With any bit of juice in the ground, or any stiffer of a finish and this result would be turned around easily. Even with just a second run, it's possible that Samcro might have turned over Bedrock with the benefit of an extra run.

The next thing I don't agree with is the notion that this race was ran slow. In the G3 race before Samcro's, Sancta Simona which you'd imagine now has designs on the mares novice race at Cheltenham (ie. it's no mug) won in a time of Time: 3m 51.40s (slow by 1.40s). Bedrock won at a time of Time: 3m 43.80s (fast by 6.20s). Even if you discount Sancta Simona (it's just a novice), you can check past graded 2m races at Downroyal. I was not able to find a similar type of race that was run as quick. I don't see anything to suggest that this race was run slow.

So with all that said, I think this was a freak result where Bedrock was put into a race that couldn't possibly have suited it better (fair play to Jardine, he's a genius). However, if you discount that performance and look at Samcro (160 rated) and Sharjah (155 rated) as a pair, and the manner in which Samcro trounced it, I wouldn't be at all disheartened with Samcro. Sharjah after all was race fit, had 8lbs in hand on Samcro, and has a Galway Hurdle under its belt so it had no excuses.

In my opinion, Samcro ran a fine race and it'll beat whatever it meets in the Morgiana.

ssshhh, your trying to kill the lovely prices

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I actually think that everyone has the reading of this race all wrong.

People have said that Samcro did not show a turn of foot at the finish, or that it was slow. I don't think I can agree with that for starters. Bedrock is out of Fastnet Rock and Galileo on the damsire side. When you consider that the race today was run over 2m on good ground with a downhill finish, then in a straight shoot out, a horse like Bedrock is always going to have the speed advantage in terms of breeding, and that is even before we consider the 5lb it had in hand. Not only that, but Bedrock has plenty in the form book that suggests that it would have adapted well to this race. Samcro on the other hand has probably never run on ground this good, or raced on a track with such an easy finish. With any bit of juice in the ground, or any stiffer of a finish and this result would be turned around easily. Even with just a second run, it's possible that Samcro might have turned over Bedrock with the benefit of an extra run.

The next thing I don't agree with is the notion that this race was ran slow. In the G3 race before Samcro's, Sancta Simona which you'd imagine now has designs on the mares novice race at Cheltenham (ie. it's no mug) won in a time of Time: 3m 51.40s (slow by 1.40s). Bedrock won at a time of Time: 3m 43.80s (fast by 6.20s). Even if you discount Sancta Simona (it's just a novice), you can check past graded 2m races at Downroyal. I was not able to find a similar type of race that was run as quick. I don't see anything to suggest that this race was run slow.

So with all that said, I think this was a freak result where Bedrock was put into a race that couldn't possibly have suited it better (fair play to Jardine, he's a genius). However, if you discount that performance and look at Samcro (160 rated) and Sharjah (155 rated) as a pair, and the manner in which Samcro trounced it, I wouldn't be at all disheartened with Samcro. Sharjah after all was race fit, had 8lbs in hand on Samcro, and has a Galway Hurdle under its belt so it had no excuses.

In my opinion, Samcro ran a fine race and it'll beat whatever it meets in the Morgiana.

Is that you Gordon???????

TheTorment wrote: »

Douvan out for this season according to Mr Mullins

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Douvan-likely-to-miss-whole-campaign&prid=195210

Such spoofers aswell saying it was "the good leg", then coming out with the truth "It’s the same leg that he had a problem with last year. It’s the tendon on the back of the pastern, which is a fairly rare injury."

He should be retired.

ASOT wrote: »

Such spoofers aswell saying it was "the good leg", then coming out with the truth "It’s the same leg that he had a problem with last year. It’s the tendon on the back of the pastern, which is a fairly rare injury."

He should be retired.

Why would he be retired . That makes no sense .

It's terrible luck with him in particular . He showed enough last year to suggest he has plenty of talent still .

aidankkk wrote: »

Why would he be retired . That makes no sense .

It's terrible luck with him in particular . He showed enough last year to suggest he has plenty of talent still .

Nothing to do with talent Aidan but to save him from further injury, especially if this injury keeps reappearing.

SC a very good horse on soft ground. Could be hard to beat if he comes over here or France for Grade Ones.

Gringo180 wrote: »

Saint Calvados 40/1 for the King George. Breeding suggests he gets the 3miles although havent heard anything from his yard he will be stepping up in trip.

I like Politologue at 20s for the King George. Nicholls has said its the plan for him and he knows what it takes to win that race. Might Byte won last year but only just got home ahead of Double Shuffle. Outside of that, there's serious question marks over the rest of them at the top of the market, especially if the Irish horses stay at home for the Lexus. He's certainly going to go off shorter come Stephens Day so I'll throw a tenner on him before he shortens up.

BumperD wrote: »

Wraps come off a load tomorrow, kilbricken storm and Acey Milan at ffos las, then apples jade and more at Navan.

Apples jade is finished as a grade 1 mare , regardless of whether she beats the other has beens tomorrow

posturingpat wrote: »

Ah give her a chance for feck Sake.

I did , twice

BumperD wrote: »

Elliott said she will improve for run so wouldn’t be surprised of an upset tomorrow

Same . I just can’t see any of them beating her though . Really poor race

Just noticed Ben Haslam has got some established JP horses this year.

Beuveruil
Bleu et Rouge
Demi Sang

They all still have potential, especially the ex-Irish horses now running in England.

BumperD wrote: »

Well that was weird. There was someone on the track at the hurdle out the back and he nearly got cleaned by the runners. Very odd.

Saw that. Someone in a hoody. Where did he come from and what was he doing on the track in the first instance.

Think Apples Jade is only out for a jog today. Second string Dortmund Park heavily punted from 9s to half that this morning.

Something strange going on in the bumper. Bowes horse being backed at the expense of everything else.

Slattsy wrote: »

Ruby tried to put his mount in the race there. Really tried so damn hard.

Meanwhile the backed second string gets first run....

Saving himself for the 2.10 I'd imagine.