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the 'there's no such thing as a stupid question' bike maintenance thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    Fair enough. In that case, maybe take a look at the doc and do the alignment/limits/cable tension setup again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭velo.2010


    I think Shimano indicate that older FD's aren't compatible with R series cranks. I'm sure it could be worked around but you might struggle to adjust the cable tension if you don't have a working barrell adjuster on that cable — pulling it tight by hand might not be enough.

    I upgraded the FD's on both bikes to eliminate such problems. They're tricky to fit but cable adjusyment is taken care of without use of barrell adjusters. Just to note, I run 5800 cranks with a R7000 FD on one bike with no compatibility issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    velo.2010 wrote: »
    I think Shimano indicate that older FD's aren't compatible with R series cranks. I'm sure it could be worked around but you might struggle to adjust the cable tension if you don't have a working barrell adjuster on that cable — pulling it tight by hand might not be enough.

    I upgraded the FD's on both bikes to eliminate such problems. They're tricky to fit but cable adjusyment is taken care of without use of barrell adjusters. Just to note, I run 5800 cranks with a R7000 FD on one bike with no compatibility issues.
    Would that be more of a chain rub issue?
    This just won’t shift without using force


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭brownian


    An option is to fit an inline barrel adjuster to the FD cable. This is, I think, a nice longer-term solution, because it's in the nature of derailleurs to need tweaking. The adjuster costs a fiver or so, and fitting is easy enough (fiddlier if internal cable routing, of course).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭JMcL


    So I finally got a bell but it seems to be too small for teh handlebars of my road bike (30mm or so). Most bells I have seen online are 22-25mm - is it hard to find one that fits 30mm that doesn't cost a fortune (I saw a nice knog one) or is there some way to make the smaller ones fit?

    Or are my road bars very chunky and in need of a diet? :o

    I got a trigger bell and it works very well. Mounts behind the hood on the left and can be rung from the hoods or the drops


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    Question on gearing/swapping gearing - If I have a 53/39 crank with an 11/27 cassette is it possible to switch to a 50/34 and an 11 -28 with little hassle?

    My understanding is all I need are new chainrings, cassette and new chain? Will the front derailleur accept a low gearing? Or what size cages on FD and RD are needed for this combination?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I don't think there are any RDs which can take 27 tooth but not 28; and FDs are not compact or semi compact specific. You might even be able to reuse the chain if it's got little wear, but that would be the cheapest component you'd be replacing anyway.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    CormacH94 wrote: »
    Question on gearing/swapping gearing - If I have a 53/39 crank with an 11/27 cassette is it possible to switch to a 50/34 and an 11 -28 with little hassle?

    My understanding is all I need are new chainrings, cassette and new chain? Will the front derailleur accept a low gearing? Or what size cages on FD and RD are needed for this combination?
    I don't think there are any RDs which can take 27 tooth but not 28; and FDs are not compact or semi compact specific. You might even be able to reuse the chain if it's got little wear, but that would be the cheapest component you'd be replacing anyway.

    All you technically need are the new chainrings. The chain will be slightly too long but I have gotten away with it, it's not by much. Possibly have to move the FD down a smidgen, but again, I got away with doing nothing on my commuter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,256 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    CormacH94 wrote: »
    Question on gearing/swapping gearing - If I have a 53/39 crank with an 11/27 cassette is it possible to switch to a 50/34 and an 11 -28 with little hassle?

    My understanding is all I need are new chainrings, cassette and new chain? Will the front derailleur accept a low gearing? Or what size cages on FD and RD are needed for this combination?

    A 53/39 crankset will have BCD of 130mm, whereas a compact crankset has a BCD of 110, so you need to confirm the BCD before purchasing chainrings. AFAIK, you will need a new chainset if you want a 50/34 chainrings


  • Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    A 53/39 crankset will have BCD of 130mm, whereas a compact crankset has a BCD of 110, so you need to confirm the BCD before purchasing chainrings. AFAIK, you will need a new chainset if you want a 50/34 chainrings

    Not necessarily. The 4 armed newer shimano ones are all just 110 bcd. I've swapped 53/39 for compact on a 5800 chainset.

    That said, it's often cheaper to just get a new crankset


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    Question for others when you replace cables do you replace the outers too? I always have and never really thought about it until tonight as I've run out and won't have enough to do the job. So I'll have to reuse some of the ones already on the bike.

    I should at least clean them out with some degreaser or something and leave to dry right? or should I be a lazy bastard and just feed the new cables through?

    I think I know the answer :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    A 53/39 crankset will have BCD of 130mm, whereas a compact crankset has a BCD of 110, so you need to confirm the BCD before purchasing chainrings. AFAIK, you will need a new chainset if you want a 50/34 chainrings


    Do you mean PCD ? Pitch Circle Diameter What does BCD mean ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Not necessarily. The 4 armed newer shimano ones are all just 110 bcd. I've swapped 53/39 for compact on a 5800 chainset.

    That said, it's often cheaper to just get a new crankset


    For reference it's the older 5 arm Shimano - does this affect the BCD?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    brownian wrote: »
    An option is to fit an inline barrel adjuster to the FD cable. This is, I think, a nice longer-term solution, because it's in the nature of derailleurs to need tweaking. The adjuster costs a fiver or so, and fitting is easy enough (fiddlier if internal cable routing, of course).

    I’ll look into this, thanks, but as an update, dropped the bike to joe Daly’s this morning and they could not find any issues with the set up of the front derailleur. They said maybe to try the new r7000 derailleur to see if that helps. Not sure what to do now as I’m lost to see how this issues could be due to it been the 5800 derailleur.


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    Looks like the older 5 arm Shimano crank has different BCD (I'm guessing this is bolt circle diameter for crank bolts?) it's 130 for the double crank and 110 for the compact

    Easier to just buy a whole compact crankset?

    Edit: Looking for 105 compact cranksets (5750) with 170mm arms - seems to be like hens teeth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,256 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    swarlb wrote: »
    Do you mean PCD ? Pitch Circle Diameter What does BCD mean ?

    Yep...Bolt Circle Diameter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    swarlb wrote: »
    Do you mean PCD ? Pitch Circle Diameter What does BCD mean ?

    Bolt Circle Diameter. https://thecyclemechanic.co.uk/bolt-circle-diameter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    grogi wrote: »

    Same thing, different terminology......
    I suppose coming from a motoring background I'm used to PCD

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_Circle_Diameter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Question for others when you replace cables do you replace the outers too? I always have and never really thought about it until tonight as I've run out and won't have enough to do the job. So I'll have to reuse some of the ones already on the bike.

    I should at least clean them out with some degreaser or something and leave to dry right? or should I be a lazy bastard and just feed the new cables through?

    I think I know the answer :pac:

    You should, but in practice you should be grand unless you've been picking up lots of crud over the winter that'll have worked it's way in. The last couple of changes I've done, I haven't bothered with the outers as a) I was in a rush and b) wasn't in the humour for unwrapping/rewrapping the bar tape. I sprayed them with a bit of PTFE lube and they've been grand. Gear cables are a bit more pernicity than brakes I'd imagine, though that's based on no sound knowledge other than mere supposition!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    Anyone explain in laymans terms what I'd be able to do to swap out a 105 5700 53/39 170.2mm crank for a 50/34 170mm crank?

    Head is melted trying to figure out compatibility between generations

    Can I use a newer 105 crankset (R7000) on a 10 speed 105 system with no issues?

    Or can I use Tiagra 4700 cranks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    CormacH94 wrote: »
    Anyone explain in laymans terms what I'd be able to do to swap out a 105 5700 53/39 170.2mm crank for a 50/34 170mm crank?

    Head is melted trying to figure out compatibility between generations

    Can I use a newer 105 crankset (R7000) on a 10 speed 105 system with no issues?

    Or can I use Tiagra 4700 cranks?

    I ride 11 speed Ultegra crankset with otherwise 10 speed Tiagra. No issues. The distance between chainrings is the same in 10 and 11speed front chainsets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    CormacH94 wrote: »

    Can I use a newer 105 crankset (R7000) on a 10 speed 105 system with no issues?

    Or can I use Tiagra 4700 cranks?

    I’d say both will work fine. Personally, I’d go for the R7000 simply just to future proof.


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    Will I run into any potential problems running a 50/34 with an 11/28 on a short cage rear derailleur?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    chainset is immaterial, but more short cage RDs are fine with 28 teeth. do you have a specific model you intend using?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    CormacH94 wrote: »
    Will I run into any potential problems running a 50/34 with an 11/28 on a short cage rear derailleur?

    The differences* are 33, which is the official limit from the Shimano specs (which make/model is yours?), but if it is a Shimano, their capacity specs are quite conservative anyway, so definitely no problem.

    *Derailleur capacity = difference between 50 & 34 (16) + difference between 11 & 28 (17), so 33 in your case.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    It'd be an R7000 50/34 - everything else is 105 5700


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Replaced the BB on the bike today and the improvement is immediately noticeable, feels more solid and better shifting front and back. There was a lot of play in the old one and it had fallen apart when I removed the cranks for cleaning a couple of weeks ago so needed to be done.

    The replacement is a little stiff though I took it for a 30k spin to see would it loosen up but its the same after that. Is there a run in period with them? I loosened off the cranks to see had I over tightened but it didn't make any difference. It's not awful but definitely not spinning freely.Its an FSA BB4000 a direct swop for what was on the bike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭cletus


    When I was re-installing the bottom bracket, I noticed that the axle had a longer taper on o e wide than the other. Having not noticed it when removing, I figured the longer side was to accommodate the triple chain ring on the drive side, and installed it so.

    However, looking at it this evening, the chain line is too far to the outside of the chain stay, in fact it's falling in line with the drop out, basically.

    Question is, am I ok to just take it out and swap it, leaving the longer side on the non drive side.

    519366.jpg

    And yes, I am aware that the lock ring for the bottom bracket is not flat, it was like that when I got here...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    Each side of the bottom bracket uses different sided threads so AFAIK left hand threads arent compatible with right hand threads and vice versa.

    Is the crank 1x or 3x if its 3x you can change which chainring you use to get the chain line right that's why if doing a 1x conversion it's best to keep your old crank or buy a new bottom bracket with a smaller longer diameter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    Seeing the picture you could move the chainring to the middle to improve the chain line


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭cletus


    Tony04 wrote: »
    Each side of the bottom bracket uses different sided threads so AFAIK left hand threads arent compatible with right hand threads and vice versa.

    Is the crank 1x or 3x if its 3x you can change which chainring you use to get the chain line right that's why if doing a 1x conversion it's best to keep your old crank or buy a new bottom bracket with a smaller longer diameter

    They're right hand thread on both sides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭8valve


    cletus wrote: »
    They're right hand thread on both sides.


    Italian thread, so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    cletus wrote: »
    They're right hand thread on both sides.

    Well if so you can swap as you like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭cletus


    To clarify, it's just the axle of the bottom bracket I want to swap around. I'll leave the threaded cups in their respective positions.

    The threads I was referring to are on the end of the taper, to hold on the cranks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    On many cup-and-cone BBs, the axle is longer on the non-drive side (not sure why, but maybe because older LH cranks are relatively straight, whereas newer styles have more lateral curve).

    When removing older axles, I’ve found that on ones that have any writing on them (make, length, etc), the writing is the right way up when viewed from the saddle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ec18


    Do you need to bleed hydraulic discs after switching the hoses between the levers ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    ec18 wrote: »
    Do you need to bleed hydraulic discs after switching the hoses between the levers ?

    If you’re lucky, then no, but if any air was admitted to the circuit (long lever travel, sponginess), then a quick burp (not a full bleed/fuid exchange with a syringe at the calliper) is in order - assuming the fluid is good (not old or contaminated), you can put a cup on the lever with some fluid in it, Angle the bike so air bubbles can flow up the circuit to the cup, and then work the lever/tap the pipework/lever with a screwdriver handle to encourage the bubbles to break free and rise up the circuit into the cup.
    Keep tapping/working the lever for several minutes until the bubbles stop and the lever feels firm again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,053 ✭✭✭cletus


    Weepsie wrote: »
    I have the cutting guide tool, hack saw and a file. It's not the cutting so much as the cutting it too much.

    They're both touring frames, so want them fairly relaxed.

    I cheapest out on the star nut tool too but will give that a go.

    How did tyoyu get on with this, Weepsie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    crosstownk wrote: »
    While cleaning one of the bikes today, I noticed that there is a small bit of play in the freehub i.e. if I hold the cassette, I can rock it up and down by a small amount - less than 1mm. It's NOT the cups/cones that are loose.

    I can't say I've noticed this before but I haven't really checked for it before - I just accidentally noticed it today. Can I just leave it or do I need to nip up the FH a small bit?

    Fulcrum Racing 3 with Shimano FH - approx 8,000km.
    I posted this a couple of weeks ago and even though it was suggested (and accepted) that the play was normal, it’s been bugging me ever since - especially when I can see the cassette wobble when I ride. When it wobbles, I pedal backwards momentarily and the wobble then stops.

    It was time to clean that bike again so I removed the cassette and the play is in the free hub. So I then removed the free hub and the outboard bearing is the cause.

    I now need to decide if I should buy the bearings and the press or the whole free hub.

    Has anyone replaced the bearings and if so, how did it go?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!


    How do I remove this style of bike pump without the air gushing out of the tyre?

    Until recently, I've been using the petrol station pump. I bought my own one in Halfords recently.

    Thanks folks


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    twist... fast !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    twist... fast !!!

    True!

    You might find it quicker (ie, less air lost) if you unscrew the pump from the other end first, so that you can do the quick unscrewing at the valve without the pump hanging off the other end of the connector.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    I noticed on downhills recently That brakes were squeaking, I never keep an eye on brake pads so immediately thought, buy new brake pads that’ll fix it. I did need new brake pads however brakes still squeaking :( I religiously clean wheels after a spin so don’t think that’d be the problem but could be. Any other ideas?
    I think it is only front brakes squeaking but hard to tell as when descending I’m getting both going. Do have a practically brand new front wheel I could try to see if wheel is the problem.


    Strongly considering just buying a new bike as I believe this will solve my problem :pac:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    rim brakes or disc? i assume rim brakes based on what you said?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Yep sorry rim brakes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Deano12345


    Just won a disc wheel on eBay for a steal, problem is it’s 10 speed. There are a few 11 speed cassettes that are compatible with it though. 105 5800 11-34 is one...is there any others?

    I could have sworn the 11-30 R8000 was as well!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    I noticed on downhills recently That brakes were squeaking, I never keep an eye on brake pads so immediately thought, buy new brake pads that’ll fix it. I did need new brake pads however brakes still squeaking :( I religiously clean wheels after a spin so don’t think that’d be the problem but could be. Any other ideas?
    I think it is only front brakes squeaking but hard to tell as when descending I’m getting both going. Do have a practically brand new front wheel I could try to see if wheel is the problem.


    Strongly considering just buying a new bike as I believe this will solve my problem :pac:

    Personally I wouldn't clean the rims... you might be leaving a residue that will either cause the squeak or hinder braking.
    Try to have the 'leading edge' of the pad make contact with the rim, rather than having the pad hit the rim 'squarely.
    You may have to 'twist' the caliper slightly to achieve this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    swarlb wrote: »
    Try to have the 'leading edge' of the pad make contact with the rim, rather than having the pad hit the rim 'squarely.
    You may have to 'twist' the caliper slightly to achieve this.

    Toe in. Use a business card or credit card between the rim and the rear end of the pad to get a bit of leading edge toe-in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    Deano12345 wrote: »
    Just won a disc wheel on eBay for a steal, problem is it’s 10 speed. There are a few 11 speed cassettes that are compatible with it though. 105 5800 11-34 is one...is there any others?

    I could have sworn the 11-30 R8000 was as well!

    You could swap the freehub?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Deano12345


    Tony04 wrote: »
    You could swap the freehub?

    Seemingly none available from what I can see.

    I could just get the freehub machined too but I’d really rather just keep it 10speed compatible if i sell it down the line.


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