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"RTE News is biased"

  • 12-09-2009 9:54pm
    #1
    puffdragon
    Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭


    I was watching the 9 O Clock news on RTE tonight at 9 20 and heard the figures of the " RED Poll" which the presenter said represented a total of 2 to 1 , sorry my arithmetic must be bad as I cant see how 53% versus 33% is two to one and if the undecided were taken into account then it would be nearer 50-50 can someone please enlighten me??


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  • #2
    mega man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭mega man


    the polls on rte news are always fixed. a pack of lies they do be tellen


  • #3
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    this is not news :D I mean RTE being biased


  • #4
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055680077

    You sure you got your numbers right?


  • #5
    AMIIAM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭AMIIAM


    mega man The RTE news is a joke! Always has been. Always will be. Controlled from Leinster house., and the White House. ( If you want our American Dollars, you have always to be nice to us)


  • #6
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    It's biased but not in this case. Take away the undecideds and the yes side has a sizeable advantage


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  • #7
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    This is why they will not report world news. Can you imagine if the rest of the world find out how bias they are? They'd be laughed off the face of the earth!


  • #8
    Slugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Slugs


    squod wrote: »
    This is why they will not report world news. Can you imagine if the rest of the world find out how bias they are? They'd be laughed off the face of the earth!
    Why would you listen to a news source funded by YOUR TV LICENCE?


  • #9
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    squod wrote: »
    This is why they will not report world news. Can you imagine if the rest of the world find out how bias they are? They'd be laughed off the face of the earth!

    Here's me thinking they didn't focus on world news because they are a national news agency.


  • #10
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    King Mob wrote: »
    Here's me thinking they didn't focus on world news because they are a national news agency.


    See, aren't you glad I enlightened you. World news just doesn't affect people in Dublin.


  • #11
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    squod wrote: »
    See, aren't you glad I enlightened you. World news just doesn't affect people in Dublin.

    Yea and it's not like we get BBC or Sky News.
    Or if you have digital you get Fox and CNN.
    Or the Internet.

    Not like RTE is just dealing with national news cause that's it's job or anything.


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  • #12
    Captain Furball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Captain Furball


    Isn't Dublin a different country????
    I've been there and i liked it:D


  • #13
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yea and it's not like we get BBC or Sky News.
    Or if you have digital you get Fox and CNN.
    Or the Internet.

    Not like RTE is just dealing with national news cause that's it's job or anything.


    I often see news stories from around the globe on RTE. It's highly amusing the ones they pick to put on there.


  • #14
    c0mpliant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭c0mpliant


    Those high numbers (Yes 70ish No 20ish) are only for people who have said "strongly" either way, and the best way to spin the poll for the Yes camp is to take it that way.

    RTE are biased, they have their agenda like everyone else. If you don't think any news source is unbiased, wake up and smell the influence. One way or another, every news source is biased, all it is a question of how biased and your ability to cut through the bull


  • #15
    puffdragon
    Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭puffdragon


    Ive had some good responses to this thread and I'm glad to report that there are some fairly intuative people out there still, good to hear from you all and dont believe anything you hear on the news!!


  • #16
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    squod wrote: »
    I often see news stories from around the globe on RTE. It's highly amusing the ones they pick to put on there.

    Hang on.
    A few posts ago you said:
    squod wrote: »
    This is why they will not report world news.

    So which is it?

    What I find amusing is that for such a biased news agency the only example you guys have provided is a out of context and throw away quote.


  • #17
    constance tench
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    george lee

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obnGVSf6-gA


  • #18
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    probably second only to FOX news in the Biased news stakes in the civilised western world


  • #19
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    King Mob wrote: »
    Hang on.
    A few posts ago you said:



    So which is it?

    What I find amusing is that for such a biased news agency the only example you guys have provided is a out of context and throw away quote.


    So then if I take the last world news story I remember on RTE it was Australian bush fires at the end of August. Another world news story on the day was UN reported mistratment of Tamil refugees by Sri Lankans' or the millions of Nepalese people facing crop shortages and hunger.

    You can't just expect to report one story, on a bleedin' around the bleedin' world news bleedin' round-up?

    RTE get an 'F' for effort and an 'A' in p1ssing me off.


  • #20
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    squod wrote: »
    So then if I take the last world news story I remember on RTE it was Australian bush fires at the end of August. Another world news story on the day was UN reported mistratment of Tamil refugees by Sri Lankans' or the millions of Nepalese people facing crop shortages and hunger.

    You can't just expect to report one story, on a bleedin' around the bleedin' world news bleedin' round-up?

    RTE get an 'F' for effort and an 'A' in p1ssing me off.
    So which is it?
    Do they or do they not report on foreign affairs like you originally claimed?

    Why is it so weird that an Irish news agency focuses on Irish news?


  • #21
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    They don't. What's strange is the arrangement the news is given in. An unreliable format. Partly telling the news is not news reporting IMO. As I said it's as if Dublin is unaffected by world news.


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  • #22
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    squod wrote: »
    They don't. What's strange is the arrangement the news is given in. An unreliable format. Partly telling the news is not news reporting IMO. As I said it's as if Dublin is unaffected by world news.

    Again they're an Irish news agency, their job is to focus on Irish news.

    They mention world events and give the bare facts but don't focus on them.
    What's the big deal?

    There are other more capable news agencies that do cover world events.

    Frankly I think you're grasping at straws to make RTE seem bad because you have nothing to support your claims of bias.


  • #23
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    i like how you skipped over the George Lee post there, King Mob.

    Rather predictable, but of course it's "just an opinion" and couldn't possibly be fact...oh no.


  • #24
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    i like how you skipped over the George Lee post there, King Mob.

    Rather predictable, but of course it's "just an opinion" and couldn't possibly be fact...oh no.

    You guys certainly put a lot of weight on to single off handed and out of context quotes.

    And as a matter of fact it would be an opinion, not fact.

    Can you back up the claim the RTE is biased or are we going to stick with shots at me?


  • #25
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    King Mob wrote:
    You guys certainly put a lot of weight on to single off handed and out of context quotes.

    And as a matter of fact it would be an opinion, not fact.

    Can you back up the claim the RTE is biased or are we going to stick with shots at me?

    First of all, it's just my lonesome self here.

    George Lee was an economics editor for 17 years at RTE

    King Mob ...well, you got your answer.


  • #26
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    First of all, it's just my lonesome self here.

    George Lee was an economics editor for 17 years at RTE

    King Mob ...well, you got your answer.

    No I got two throw away out of context quotes.

    That's hardly proof of anything.


  • #27
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    Ya, George Lee and his opinions have no credibility.

    So what if he worked with RTE for 17 years, ah sure...to be sure.

    Now you have 3 :P


  • #28
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    Ya, George Lee and his opinions have no credibility.

    Wow George Lee has no credibility?
    Really?

    Is that what you're saying?


  • #29
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    Please answer that question yourself.

    Either you're saying George Lee and his opinions have credibility or they don't.

    Which is it for you, King Mob?

    Please make an effort to answer honestly.


  • #30
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    Please answer that question yourself.

    Either you're saying George Lee and his opinions have credibility or they don't.

    Which is it for you, King Mob?

    Please make an effort to answer honestly.

    Well you're the one who said:
    weiss wrote: »
    George Lee and his opinions have no credibility.

    That must be your opinion then.


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  • #31
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    You see, you couldn't give me an honest answer...priceless.

    I believe his opinions have credibility because he worked at RTE for 17 years!!

    Now, please answer honestly.

    Do you believe George Lee and his opinions have credibility?

    It's very simple yes or no answer, King Mob :D


  • #32
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    You see, you couldn't give me an honest answer...priceless.

    I believe his opinions have credibility because he worked at RTE for 17 years!!

    Now, please answer honestly.

    Do you believe George Lee and his opinions have credibility?

    It's very simple yes or no answer, King Mob :D

    You are the one who said his opinions have no credibility
    weiss wrote: »
    George Lee and his opinions have no credibility.

    Those are your words not mine.


  • #33
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    LOL :D

    So his opinion does have credibility? or it doesn't? which is it? ...oh dear.

    I like how you only selected part of my previous sentence, for anyone else reading, that was sarcastic comment..although i'm sure most people could see that.


  • #34
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    LOL :D

    So his opinion does have credibility? or they don't? which is it? ...oh dear.

    The point I was trying to illustrate is that you can take quotes out of context.

    Without knowing the context in which George Lee was speaking or what exactly he was referring to you cannot take that one line as his true opinion.
    weiss wrote: »
    LOL :D
    I like how you only selected part of my previous sentence, for anyone else reading, that was sarcastic comment..although i'm sure most people could see that.
    Yes I was taking it out of context to infer a different meaning.
    Just like you are doing for George Lee's quote.

    So I do believe that George Lee's opinions are credible but because that quote is taken out of context it is not his actual opinion.

    And even then his opinion does not equal proof.


  • #35
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    King Mob wrote:
    So I do believe that George Lee's opinions are credible but because that quote is taken out of context it is not his actual opinion.

    And even then his opinion does not equal proof.

    You can't prove RTE aren't biased, so why are you arguing about any of this at all?


  • #36
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    You can't prove RTE aren't biased, so why are you arguing about any of this at all?
    You can't prove a negative.
    Try proving unicorns don't exist.

    You're making or supporting the claim that RTE is biased you should be able to back it up with solid evidence.
    It's called the burden of proof.

    So far the only things that have been provided to back it up are two out of context quotes and a misunderstanding of RTE's role.
    Not exactly proof they are biased is it?


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  • #37
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    Initially, I was merely admiring how you skipped over the post about George Lee.

    You stated his opinions have credibility, that's all I have to comment.


  • #38
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    Initially, I was merely admiring how you skipped over the post about George Lee.

    You stated his opinions have credibility, that's all I have to comment.

    I also said that the quote was out of context and that I don't believe that is his true or full opinion.

    But funnily you seemed to have skipped over that and taken my words out of context.


  • #39
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    Conversation between Gerald Barry and George Lee, 5th April 2009

    GB: "George Lee, how did we manage to move from crisis to catastrophe"?

    GL: "Well, it's a difficult question to, or, emm, a difficult question to answer and, er, remain still employed in RTE but I can tell you it was bad economic management"


  • #40
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    Conversation between Gerald Barry and George Lee, 5th April 2009

    GB: "George Lee, how did we manage to move from crisis to catastrophe"?

    GL: "Well, it's a difficult question to, or, emm, a difficult question to answer and, er, remain still employed in RTE but I can tell you it was bad economic management"

    Still out of context.
    No matter how many times you repeat it.


  • #41
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    He's suggesting it's not possible to give an honest opinion without risk of losing his job at RTE.

    Crystal clear for me.


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  • #42
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    He's suggesting it's not possible to give an honest opinion without risk of losing his job at RTE.

    Crystal clear for me.

    Just like it was crystal clear that you said:
    weiss wrote: »
    George Lee and his opinions have no credibility.

    It's a bit weird that he'd lose his job for giving an an honest opinion but wouldn't lose his job for letting that slip.

    And to be honest "bad economic management" sounds like an honest and straight forward answer to me.

    But hey if this was his actual opinion I'm sure you can more quotes from him that say the same thing.

    Just like if RTE was actually biased you'd be able to provide some actual evidence and not just out of context quotes.


  • #43
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    My god, King Mob, this is pathetic.

    The full quote is:
    weiss wrote:
    Ya, George Lee and his opinions have no credibility.

    This was a sarcastic response and that's the last time i'm explaining to you.

    Conversation between Gerald Barry and George Lee, 5th April 2009

    GB: "George Lee, how did we manage to move from crisis to catastrophe"?

    GL: "Well, it's a difficult question to, or, emm, a difficult question to answer and, er, remain still employed in RTE but I can tell you it was bad economic management"

    It is quite clear to anyone capable of cognitive thought that he's suggesting it's not possible to give an honest opinion without risk of losing his job at RTE.

    End of argument.


  • #44
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Here's a far out and wacky scenario.

    George Lee is a TD for Fine Geal. So not a stretch to imagine he supported FG at he time of the interview.
    Now it's not a vast leap of logic to imagine that he believes that Fianna Fail are to blame to the economic crisis in Ireland.
    Now if he was to let loose his pure unfiltered opinion rather than just the plain facts, it could be seen as undue bias from someone with such a senior position in RTE.

    Because he is to remain neutral in reporting, any sign of any bias could lead to him losing his job.

    Thus he answers: "Well, it's a difficult question to, or, emm, a difficult question to answer and, er, remain still employed in RTE but I can tell you it was bad economic management"

    Which to me is a fair and unbiased answer.


  • #45
    indough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    its not really the end of the argument though, unless youre satisfied to lose the argument


  • #46
    weiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭weiss


    The argument was about King Mob skipping over the post about George Lee, not the whole thread.
    But i've explained this already...pretty obvious to anyone who has read my posts.

    Good night


  • #47
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weiss wrote: »
    My god, King Mob, this is pathetic.

    The full quote is:
    This was a sarcastic response and that's the last time i'm explaining to you.
    No ****.
    I've said that.
    I am taking your quote out of context to illustrate the point that that's exactly what you are doing to Lee's quote.

    Maybe you should actually read my posts.
    weiss wrote: »

    It is quite clear to anyone capable of cognitive thought that he's suggesting it's not possible to give an honest opinion without risk of losing his job at RTE.

    End of argument.
    No it's not.
    See above.

    The quote is taken out of context.

    And even if it wasn't and that was exactly what he meant it's still not proof.


  • #48
    6th
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Lads maybe if you cut out the bullsh*t sarcasm and actually said what you all wanted too like adults you might get somewhere?


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