Pro14 Season 2019-2020

molloyjh · 17-07-2019 1:12pm

Away on opening day again. I know it doesn't matter really, but its mad that we've only had 1 opening day at home in the last 8 seasons.

awec · 17-07-2019 1:25pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Away on opening day again. I know it doesn't matter really, but its mad that we've only had 1 opening day at home in the last 8 seasons.

Isn't that something to do with the RDS pitch and the horses, and having to rebuild the stands?

thomond2006 · 17-07-2019 1:33pm

Both SA teams start with three home games. Their first two seasons started on the road.

errlloyd · 17-07-2019 1:41pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Both SA teams start with three home games. Their first two seasons started on the road.

To be fair. Makes sense to get their games in earlier when it's cooler in SA

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 2:00pm

Are the SA team home matches not available in Rep. of Ireland?
That's a pity if not. Would like to see how good the SA teams are at the start of the season, hopefully very competitive.

Cookiemunster · 17-07-2019 2:20pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Are the SA team home matches not available in Rep. of Ireland?
That's a pity if not. Would like to see how good the SA teams are at the start of the season, hopefully very competitive.

Their rounds 2 and 3 games against Munster and Ulster are on Eir. Cheetahs v Cardiff in round 1 is on Premier Sports.

https://www.pro14rugby.org/match-centre/fixtures/

awec · 17-07-2019 2:21pm

If the tv bit is accurate then Eir are only going to show about half the games.

Cookiemunster · 17-07-2019 2:27pm

awec wrote: »

If the tv bit is accurate then Eir are only going to show about half the games.

I'm guessing that because we will now get the full Premier Sport channel on Sky, that that Eir 2 will no longer be showing Premier Sport content so they will only have the Irish games available to them.

awec · 17-07-2019 2:30pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'm guessing that because we will now get the full Premier Sport channel on Sky, that that Eir 2 will no longer be showing Premier Sport content so they will only have the Irish games available to them.

Yea, they are losing the coverage they got for free from Premier.

The premier sports coverage of Pro14 will presumably be blocked in Ireland.

Digifriendly · 17-07-2019 2:42pm

awec wrote: »

Yea, they are losing the coverage they got for free from Premier.

The premier sports coverage of Pro14 will presumably be blocked in Ireland.

This is grossly unfair to viewers in ROI. Pro 14 organisers clearly promoted (when present deal was signed) that every game would be available live to viewers on these islands. This has not and will not be the case. Those south of the border can only hope that Eir Sports goes the way of Setanta (with subscriptions declining rapidly due to absence of BT Sport in Eir Sports package) and Premier Sports 1/2 are both made available to them and 'in the clear.'

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 2:46pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Their rounds 2 and 3 games against Munster and Ulster are on Eir. Cheetahs v Cardiff in round 1 is on Premier Sports.

https://www.pro14rugby.org/match-centre/fixtures/

Is Premier Sports available anywhere in Rep. of Ireland?

awec · 17-07-2019 2:50pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Is Premier Sports available anywhere in Rep. of Ireland?

On Sky, it’s part of the BT package and will have some live premier league football for Irish customers.

But their Pro14 coverage will be blocked as Eir have the rights for the Pro14 in Ireland, and Eir no longer have a deal with premier to use their coverage to supplement their own live games.

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 2:50pm

Are Eir in breach of contract with their customers by not showing half of the league matches?

This is what's being promised on their website right now:
"MORE SPORT ON eir Sport
There's a fantastic amount of exclusively LIVE action from eir sport on the way. Our 2019/2020 season includes all 48 games from the 2019 Rugby World Cup, all 152 Guinness PRO14 Games, the GAA Allianz Leagues, exclusive Airtricity League and FA Cup, US Masters golf, Wimbledon and more."

Squidgy Black · 17-07-2019 2:57pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Are Eir in breach of contract with their customers by not showing half of the league matches?

This is what's being promised on their website right now:
"MORE SPORT ON eir Sport
There's a fantastic amount of exclusively LIVE action from eir sport on the way. Our 2019/2020 season includes all 48 games from the 2019 Rugby World Cup, all 152 Guinness PRO14 Games, the GAA Allianz Leagues, exclusive Airtricity League and FA Cup, US Masters golf, Wimbledon and more."

Wouldn't be breach of contract as all content is subject to change of circumstances in terms of broadcast deals etc, but would be considered false advertising if they're still saying they'll have all of the matches shown live when in fact they won't.

b.gud · 17-07-2019 3:02pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Are Eir in breach of contract with their customers by not showing half of the league matches?

This is what's being promised on their website right now:
"MORE SPORT ON eir Sport
There's a fantastic amount of exclusively LIVE action from eir sport on the way. Our 2019/2020 season includes all 48 games from the 2019 Rugby World Cup, all 152 Guinness PRO14 Games, the GAA Allianz Leagues, exclusive Airtricity League and FA Cup, US Masters golf, Wimbledon and more."

I'm no legal expert but it doesn't specifically say that all 152 games will be live so they theoretically show all 152 as delayed coverage in the middle of the night and the highlighted part would still be technically true it would just be really s***ty for their customers

errlloyd · 17-07-2019 3:02pm

It still says all 152 on their website.

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 3:02pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Wouldn't be breach of contract as all content is subject to change of circumstances in terms of broadcast deals etc, but would be considered false advertising if they're still saying they'll have all of the matches shown live when in fact they won't.

Also, says the following at https://www.eirsport.ie/rugby
"RUGBY
ON eir sport
ALL 48 games from Rugby World Cup live
Watch all 152 Guinness PRO14 games
World Rugby U20s Championship"

This is clearly false advertising if they are not giving the viewers all matches.
However, I'm hoping they will make them available on other platforms.

If they are trying to say that they have the rights to show as many matches as they like, but are actually choosing to not show certain matches due to lack of resources, then that would seem to me to be false advertising.

awec · 17-07-2019 3:03pm

They didn’t even show all games last year, it’ll just be even worse this year in terms of coverage.

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 3:06pm

b.gud wrote: »

I'm no legal expert but it doesn't specifically say that all 152 games will be live so they theoretically show all 152 as delayed coverage in the middle of the night and the highlighted part would still be technically true it would just be really s***ty for their customers

I would have no issue with delayed coverage, at least would be able to record and watch later.

I'm also hoping there will be a decent rugby broadcasting team for all the matches, with a round-up/highlights programme on the Sunday or Monday evening, and a preview program of upcoming matches on a Thursday evening etc.
Probably was a bit spoilt with coverage last season!!

Cookiemunster · 17-07-2019 3:13pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I would have no issue with delayed coverage, at least would be able to record and watch later.

I'm also hoping there will be a decent rugby broadcasting team for all the matches, with a round-up/highlights programme on the Sunday or Monday evening, and a preview program of upcoming matches on a Thursday evening etc.
Probably was a bit spoilt with coverage last season!!

Every Munster fixture from R1-R19 is live on either Eir or TG4. I haven't checked Leinster or Connacht but I'd assume it's the same.

icdg · 17-07-2019 3:41pm

awec wrote: »

Yea, they are losing the coverage they got for free from Premier.
.

They should still have access to a fully produced “whistle to whistle” world feed - a standard arrangement in tournaments like this. They may no longer be able to take Premier Sports pre and post game shows though.

awec · 17-07-2019 3:43pm

icdg wrote: »

They should still have access to a fully produced “whistle to whistle” world feed - a standard arrangement in tournaments like this. They may no longer be able to take Premier Sports pre and post game shows though.

It’s not listed on the Pro14 site as Eir having coverage though.

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 3:49pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Every Munster fixture from R1-R19 is live on either Eir or TG4. I haven't checked Leinster or Connacht but I'd assume it's the same.

All bar 4 of the Irish teams' matches are shown between Eir and TG4,
Those 4 are:

Ulster v Cheetahs 22nd February
Ulster v Dragons 20th March
Zebre v Ulster 16th May
Ulster v Leinster 29th May !!

Riskymove · 17-07-2019 3:49pm

awec wrote: »

It’s not listed on the Pro14 site as Eir having coverage though.

eir are listed as showing the Irish games only
Premier listed for all games

Cookiemunster · 17-07-2019 4:07pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

All bar 4 of the Irish teams' matches are shown between Eir and TG4,
Those 4 are:

Ulster v Cheetahs 22nd February
Ulster v Dragons 20th March
Zebre v Ulster 16th May
Ulster v Leinster 29th May !!

No TV has been announced for R21. Ulster V Leinster will definitely be televised.

Riskymove · 17-07-2019 4:36pm

In the Republic of Ireland, eir Sport will screen every game supported by TG4’s Free-To-Air coverage while Super Sport continue their coverage of the Guinness PRO14 in South Africa.

From the fixture announcement page Pro14

https://www.pro14rugby.org/2019/07/17/fixtures-for-2019-20-guinness-pro14-season-confirmed/

Exclamation Marc · 17-07-2019 5:24pm

All Leinsters games are individually noted as being on Eir by Leinster themselves, including the SA away games.

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 6:13pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

No TV has been announced for R21. Ulster V Leinster will definitely be televised.

How do you reckon that?
Pro14 Fixtures
That link shows the TV coverage for round 21 and has Eir Sport and DAZN covering the Munster v Connacht match and Premier and DAZN covering the Ulster v Leinster match.

Are you implying that because the kick-off times have not been decided that they may add more coverage to these matches at a future date?
I certainly hope so, but I think it happened last season too that some Ulster fixtures weren't shown on Eir or TG4.

Cookiemunster · 17-07-2019 6:46pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

How do you reckon that?
Pro14 Fixtures
That link shows the TV coverage for round 21 and has Eir Sport and DAZN covering the Munster v Connacht match and Premier and DAZN covering the Ulster v Leinster match.

Are you implying that because the kick-off times have not been decided that they may add more coverage to these matches at a future date?
I certainly hope so, but I think it happened last season too that some Ulster fixtures weren't shown on Eir or TG4.

KO times and TV channels have only been announced up to round 20. No KO times or TV has been announced for round 21.

Former Former · 17-07-2019 7:05pm

Are we really stressing about tv coverage of round 21? In July like?

Digifriendly · 17-07-2019 7:20pm

Former Former wrote: »

Are we really stressing about tv coverage of round 21? In July like?

Yes because we're rugby fanatics. Says a lot about us.

Jump_In_Jack · 17-07-2019 7:22pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

KO times and TV channels have only been announced up to round 20. No KO times or TV has been announced for round 21.

I hadn’t read that anywhere, do you have a link please to where it says TV coverage has not been announced?
The fixtures announcement said that the kick-off times are not finalized, but it already displays the TV coverage the same as for all the other rounds, no mention of TV coverage not being finalized.
Perhaps it’s implied but I’m not sure.

Exclamation Marc · 17-07-2019 10:34pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I hadn’t read that anywhere, do you have a link please to where it says TV coverage has not been announced?
The fixtures announcement said that the kick-off times are not finalized, but it already displays the TV coverage the same as for all the other rounds, no mention of TV coverage not being finalized.
Perhaps it’s implied but I’m not sure.

From the Pro14 announcement...

Fans in the UK can watch every game live on Premier Sports with FreeSports UK and S4C providing live and deferred Free-To-Air coverage throughout the season each weekend. FreeSports UK will confirm all of their selections later this summer.

In the Republic of Ireland, eir Sport will screen every game supported by TG4’s Free-To-Air coverage while Super Sport continue their coverage of the Guinness PRO14 in South Africa.

It's pretty much implied that it'll be covered on at least eir and Premier Sports.

molloyjh · 18-07-2019 12:18pm

So if I'm reading that right, eir will have all games played in Ireland and SA, but none of the games played in Wales, Scotland or Italy? Meaning any provincial fixtures in the latter 3 will not be available? So does this not mean that people would be better to leave eir entirely and move to Sky with a BT subscription? That way we'd get all HEC and P14 games on BT and Premier respectively?

Riskymove · 18-07-2019 12:35pm

molloyjh wrote: »

So if I'm reading that right,

Eir will screen every game in Republic of Ireland

I note "live" is not used but the implication is that they have all games

The pro14 fixture list is confusing things as Eir are not listed for every game

The premier sports broadcasting of pro14 games will likely be blocked as Eir have the rights so I don't think you can see Pro14 that way

Cookiemunster · 18-07-2019 1:10pm

molloyjh wrote: »

So if I'm reading that right, eir will have all games played in Ireland and SA, but none of the games played in Wales, Scotland or Italy? Meaning any provincial fixtures in the latter 3 will not be available? So does this not mean that people would be better to leave eir entirely and move to Sky with a BT subscription? That way we'd get all HEC and P14 games on BT and Premier respectively?

Munster away to Edinburgh, Zebre and Benetton are all listed as being in Eir so that's not correct. I don't think Eir have any games not involving the provinces.

PMC83 · 18-07-2019 1:34pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Munster away to Edinburgh, Zebre and Benetton are all listed as being in Eir so that's not correct. I don't think Eir have any games not involving the provinces.

This time last year I was scrambling to get eir tv installed, thank Christ I didn't!

icdg · 18-07-2019 2:05pm

Digifriendly wrote: »

This is grossly unfair to viewers in ROI. Pro 14 organisers clearly promoted (when present deal was signed) that every game would be available live to viewers on these islands. This has not and will not be the case. Those south of the border can only hope that Eir Sports goes the way of Setanta (with subscriptions declining rapidly due to absence of BT Sport in Eir Sports package) and Premier Sports 1/2 are both made available to them and 'in the clear.'

Setanta have gone nowhere - they are behind Premier Sports. The black and yellow logo isn’t a coincidence. But Premier and eir Sport, as of 1st August are no longer allies and will be in competition with each other. The only possible bright spark is that eir will be making Premier Sports’ Freesports channel available to its customers, though this will be the separate ROI version with Pro14 blocked.

Re the fixtures more generally this happens every year. I’m not sure any of any domestic league competition, outside of the US & Canada (where Sports rights work a bit different) where there is that many host broadcasters involved. Usually nearer the time we get more games confirmed. Eir didn’t screen every game last year(and I think ROI Ulster fans in particular got a bit of a raw deal) even though the promised they would show them all, but they showed more than what was confirmed at the time the fixtures were announced.

Former Former · 18-07-2019 5:03pm

I presume Eir will show all games, just not necessarily live. With only two channels they couldn't show all games live even if they wanted to.

I don't really see the problem tbh, the demand for live Pro14 games not involving a province is neglible, even among rugby fans.

Jump_In_Jack · 18-07-2019 5:39pm

icdg wrote: »

Setanta have gone nowhere - they are behind Premier Sports. The black and yellow logo isn’t a coincidence. But Premier and eir Sport, as of 1st August are no longer allies and will be in competition with each other. The only possible bright spark is that eir will be making Premier Sports’ Freesports channel available to its customers, though this will be the separate ROI version with Pro14 blocked.

Re the fixtures more generally this happens every year. I’m not sure any of any domestic league competition, outside of the US & Canada (where Sports rights work a bit different) where there is that many host broadcasters involved. Usually nearer the time we get more games confirmed. Eir didn’t screen every game last year(and I think ROI Ulster fans in particular got a bit of a raw deal) even though the promised they would show them all, but they showed more than what was confirmed at the time the fixtures were announced.

That’s what I thought, I couldn’t remember which matches they didn’t televise last season, I think there were a few, and perhaps one was an Ulster match.
Their advertising and announcements say that they will show every match, so I’m hoping they don’t become even less reliable for the season coming.

PTH2009 · 19-07-2019 12:29am

How come it's a later start this season ??

19-07-2019 7:03am

PTH2009 wrote: »

How come it's a later start this season ??

Because of the world cup...

PTH2009 · 19-07-2019 3:16pm

Dakota Chubby Vet wrote: »

Because of the world cup...

for the 2015/16 season it started at the start of September 15 ??

Rigor Mortis · 19-07-2019 3:24pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

for the 2015/16 season it started at the start of September 15 ??

In 1984 i mainly watched movies on VCR.

sydthebeat · 19-07-2019 3:45pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

for the 2015/16 season it started at the start of September 15 ??

later RWC final this year, coupled with the Pro14 final happening nearly a month later than usual too.

PTH2009 · 19-07-2019 6:27pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

later RWC final this year, coupled with the Pro14 final happening nearly a month later than usual too.

Ah makes sense hopefully late start this season for the irish lads

PTH2009 · 19-07-2019 6:36pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

later RWC final this year, coupled with the Pro14 final happening nearly a month later than usual too.

Ah makes sense hopefully late start this season for the irish lads

Digifriendly · 20-07-2019 2:53am

sydthebeat wrote: »

later RWC final this year, coupled with the Pro14 final happening nearly a month later than usual too.

RWC final is only 2 days later this year (2nd November) than in 2015.

sydthebeat · 20-07-2019 8:03am

Digifriendly wrote: »

RWC final is only 2 days later this year (2nd November) than in 2015.

Yes...
That's what I said

Cookiemunster · 20-07-2019 11:36am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Ah makes sense hopefully late start this season for the irish lads

The international players will be back playing the week before Europe. There won't be much of a break unless they get knocked of the world cup early.

Pro14 Season 2019-2020

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