Why do people have children that they can't afford?

LuasSimon · 20-11-2019 10:09am

When I was growing up a traveller family moved to our area and they had 20 ( yes 20) children around 1964-65 , the 20 got married to relations and went on to have average 7 each ( 140 total ).....the 140 have kicked off now having at least 5 each for those on the baby(welfare) path...so looking at 700 there...the original mother is still alive and could have 840 children, grandchildren and great grand children soon.....
And of course none of them work and all have houses..and many of them have had 2 or 3 personal injury claims even the children ..its a great country.

Doctors room ghost · 20-11-2019 10:27am

LuasSimon wrote: »

When I was growing up a traveller family moved to our area and they had 20 ( yes 20) children around 1964-65 , the 20 got married to relations and went on to have average 7 each ( 140 total ).....the 140 have kicked off now having at least 5 each for those on the baby(welfare) path...so looking at 700 there...the original mother is still alive and could have 840 children, grandchildren and great grand children soon.....
And of course none of them work and all have houses..and many of them have had 2 or 3 personal injury claims even the children ..its a great country.

It’s either the climate or the generous welfare, but the work shy pond rat seems to be the only one to thrive in this great country of ours.
Them and politicians.
Nests of them in every community breeding.
The rest of us are left to work our boll1x off and have our home’s broken into by said pond rats while we are at work.
These dark evenings are suiting the work shy pond rat for a bit of prowling too while paddy Irishman looks on afraid to open his mouth.
Any fcuker on the dole for over 6 months while being fit to work, should be drafted into the army and made put in a 39 hour week there to earn their “entitlements”.
Beats having them going around prowling with time on their hands.
A fcukin jokeshop of a country.
Another haunt of our local pond rat is the bookies spending the day betting on the powerball.
Where do they get the money to fund that sh1te hawking.

Fcukin jokeshop the lot of it

HorrorScope · 20-11-2019 10:28am

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Wake up. Jesus.

I would rather guide my father in to my mother than give up my car, cut the legs out from under my standard of living or turn in to a ****ing vegan. You and your climate pals are the ones that need to wake up. Come back when you have some realistic suggestions that aren’t complete bollixology.

corner of hells · 20-11-2019 10:31am

LuasSimon wrote: »

When I was growing up a traveller family moved to our area and they had 20 ( yes 20) children around 1964-65 , the 20 got married to relations and went on to have average 7 each ( 140 total ).....the 140 have kicked off now having at least 5 each for those on the baby(welfare) path...so looking at 700 there...the original mother is still alive and could have 840 children, grandchildren and great grand children soon.....
And of course none of them work and all have houses..and many of them have had 2 or 3 personal injury claims even the children ..its a great country.

From 1964 ? You've been obsessing over them way too long.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-11-2019 10:37am

HorrorScope wrote: »

I would rather guide my father in to my mother than give up my car, cut the legs out from under my standard of living or turn in to a ****ing vegan. You and your climate pals are the ones that need to wake up. Come back when you have some realistic suggestions that aren’t complete bollixology.

Don't guide your father in to your mother, we need less kids. He's absolutely right about the kids bit but I suspect from your overreaction, you're not for turning.

And you don't turn into a vegan, its not f*cking Stars in Their Eyes.

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

It’s either the climate or the generous welfare, but the work shy pond rat seems to be the only one to thrive in this great country of ours.
Them and politicians.
Nests of them in every community breeding.
The rest of us are left to work our boll1x off and have our home’s broken into by said pond rats while we are at work.
These dark evenings are suiting the work shy pond rat for a bit of prowling too while paddy Irishman looks on afraid to open his mouth.
Any fcuker on the dole for over 6 months while being fit to work, should be drafted into the army and made put in a 39 hour week there to earn their “entitlements”.
Beats having them going around prowling with time on their hands.
A fcukin jokeshop of a country.
Another haunt of our local pond rat is the bookies spending the day betting on the powerball.
Where do they get the money to fund that sh1te hawking.

Fcukin jokeshop the lot of it

Find it hard to disagree with any of that. Would be easy to but not when you see examples of it playing out in real life every single day. Pubs and bookies are only open during office hours because someone is frequenting them.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 20-11-2019 11:02am

HorrorScope wrote: »

I would rather guide my father in to my mother than give up my car, cut the legs out from under my standard of living or turn in to a ****ing vegan. You and your climate pals are the ones that need to wake up. Come back when you have some realistic suggestions that aren’t complete bollixology.

Ah yeah. Continue your standard of living and fk up everyone else for generations. Good man yourself. Great legacy. Seriously hope you are in the minority or we are all fked.

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:05am

As a man with children almost into double figures i don't know if i should laugh or be offended at the thread title.

Andreas77 · 20-11-2019 11:07am

who else is dancing to the beat of heaven 17 this morning? I've taken off my shoes and am shimmying the linoleum, feel so happy today

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:08am

Andreas77 wrote: »

who else is dancing to the beat of heaven 17 this morning, I've taken off my shoes and am shimmying around, feel so happy today

Nah! I'm dancing to this

Andreas77 · 20-11-2019 11:11am

It doesn't matter the tune, just follow the serpent my friend, music is a very special gift, I am sending you a lot of positive energy today, today will be very special for you

blueshade · 20-11-2019 11:11am

khaldrogo wrote: »

Report her and him

I don't hate them that much. I do think that the Social Welfare should be taking a much bigger interest in single mammies with multiple kiddies though. They aren't making these babies by themselves and the fathers should be paying for their kids. Getting the benefits and pretending to be a single parent while the father is living with you out of a suitcase is taking the piss. Says it all to me that she's willing to have a kid with the guy but not risk moving in to his nice big house and losing her benefits.

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:12am

Andreas77 wrote: »

It doesn't matter the tune, just follow the serpent my friend, music is a very special gift, I am sending you a lot of positive energy today, today will be very special for you

Pity you can't send me Shirley Manson

Andreas77 · 20-11-2019 11:17am

A very fine woman, and may I suggest, very dirty in the sack, a real trash talker

Antares35 · 20-11-2019 11:18am

Because people think having a child is an automatic human right.

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:19am

Andreas77 wrote: »

A very fine woman, and may I suggest, very dirty in the sack, a real trash talker

Ah ya, make my day a bloody misery now, as if the weather wasn't bad enough here

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:22am

Antares35 wrote: »

Because people think having a child is an automatic human right.

Well the gubberment has no right to control the reproductive organs of anyone in Ireland unless by court order, in which case the person wouldn't have the capacity to care for a child. Look at it this way, having lots of children has incentives, you get paid for each one of them, more on top of that for multiple births. As long as that incentive is there you will always have a section of society who would rather ride like rabbits than work. As a fella once told me, if there was work in the bed i'd sleep on the floor, he never knew how big my family was :pac:

Antares35 · 20-11-2019 11:23am

Meredith Some Poppycock wrote: »

That's quite offensive.

If we had decided on our children based on our means at the time some of our children would not now exist as adults working n jobs they love as teachers, nurses, social workers etc and with kids of their own in happy relationships. We scrimped and did without for many years but they had happy childhoods and great lives. Had we analysed it just in the cold light of affordability all our lives would now be all the poorer for it.

I don't think that's what people are raising an issue with. It's having them and expecting everyone else to support you.

Antares35 · 20-11-2019 11:24am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Well the gubberment has no right to control the reproductive organs of anyone in Ireland unless by court order, in which case the person wouldn't have the capacity to care for a child. Look at it this way, having lots of children has incentives, you get paid for each one of them, more on top of that for multiple births. As long as that incentive is there you will always have a section of society who would rather ride like rabbits than work. As a fella once told me, if there was work in the bed i'd sleep on the floor, he never knew how big my family was :pac:

True, but they could stop incentivising the use of their reproductive organs

dvdman1 · 20-11-2019 11:29am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

Abortion has nothing to do with childcare
Motorists complain about the cost of fuel, cycling is realtivly free i dont see your point..it completely ignores reality and paints life as black and white which its not.

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:31am

Antares35 wrote: »

True, but they could stop incentivising the use of their reproductive organs

I don't disagree with you, only problem you have is it would create a political storm akin to the medical card fiasco with the pensioners.

marieholmfan · 20-11-2019 11:33am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I don't disagree with you, only problem you have is it would create a political storm akin to the medical card fiasco with the pensioners.

In other words you are advocating the extermination of the Irish race!

nthclare · 20-11-2019 11:36am

Andreas77 wrote: »

It doesn't matter the tune, just follow the serpent my friend, music is a very special gift, I am sending you a lot of positive energy today, today will be very special for you

I can't post links but "Music is the answer"

by Danny Tenaglia is a good stomper...warm up tune for a retro house night...

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:37am

marieholmfan wrote: »

In other words you are advocating the extermination of the Irish race!

Extermination? Far from it, i'm doing my bit to keep the Irish population afloat and will continue doing so for as long as myself and the wife are healthy and able.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-11-2019 11:37am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I don't disagree with you, only problem you have is it would create a political storm akin to the medical card fiasco with the pensioners.

Absolutely. There is no political will to change anything.

Cork Trucker · 20-11-2019 11:40am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Absolutely. There is no political will to change anything.

They are afraid of losing votes/seats, just look at the damage it did to Fianna Fail in the 2011 election and the Green Party at that time. The next general election will say alot about those 2 and LIEbour.

blueshade · 20-11-2019 11:40am

marieholmfan wrote: »

In other words you are advocating the extermination of the Irish race!

Sounds like an hysterical overreaction. Benefit payments should never pay more than the minimum wage but for some it pays very well indeed. Take the case of Margaret Cash as an example. Also, despite most Traveler women never ever doing a days work they have large families and that's a nice little earner. The system is wrong. People should be encouraged to work and provide for their families. Once children are at school there is no justification for an able bodied parent not to work at least part time.

If parents have the personal means to provide for their kids then I don't care how many they have but there's a huge problem with people from backgrounds whose families never worked who are breeding large families who themselves will never work and will continue the cycle of cradle to grave welfare dependency. Child benefit should be capped at 2 children. Having a child shouldn't make people a housing priority over people who don't have children. Turning down accomodation should mean people are kicked off the housing list.

Antares35 · 20-11-2019 11:47am

blueshade wrote: »

Sounds like an hysterical overreaction. Benefit payments should never pay more than the minimum wage but for some it pays very well indeed. Take the case of Margaret Cash as an example. Also, despite most Traveler women never ever doing a days work they have large families and that's a nice little earner. The system is wrong. People should be encouraged to work and provide for their families. Once children are at school there is no justification for an able bodied parent not to work at least part time.

If parents have the personal means to provide for their kids then I don't care how many they have but there's a huge problem with people from backgrounds whose families never worked who are breeding large families who themselves will never work and will continue the cycle of cradle to grave welfare dependency. Child benefit should be capped at 2 children. Having a child shouldn't make people a housing priority over people who don't have children. Turning down accomodation should mean people are kicked off the housing list.

Careful, here comes the PC brigade with their accusations of racism.

s7ryf3925pivug · 20-11-2019 11:47am

They can afford them. They get a free house and child allowance and increased social welfare payments, free medical care... Easy to afford them.

marieholmfan · 20-11-2019 11:56am

Most important job a woman can do is be a mother (except maybe doctor).
Much more important than fund accounting or airplane lease structuring.

blueshade wrote: »

Sounds like an hysterical overreaction. Benefit payments should never pay more than the minimum wage but for some it pays very well indeed. Take the case of Margaret Cash as an example. Also, despite most Traveler women never ever doing a days work they have large families and that's a nice little earner. The system is wrong. People should be encouraged to work and provide for their families. Once children are at school there is no justification for an able bodied parent not to work at least part time.

If parents have the personal means to provide for their kids then I don't care how many they have but there's a huge problem with people from backgrounds whose families never worked who are breeding large families who themselves will never work and will continue the cycle of cradle to grave welfare dependency. Child benefit should be capped at 2 children. Having a child shouldn't make people a housing priority over people who don't have children. Turning down accomodation should mean people are kicked off the housing list.

BobMc · 20-11-2019 12:13pm

riclad wrote: »

Contraception does not work all the time,
people have sex when they are not sober.
We need more young people , young people will be worker,s ,tax payers
in 20 years .
some small towns in japan are just populated by old people .
20 per cent of young people in japan do not have sex,
no girl friend,s or boyfriend.
The birth rate is very low.
1000,S of People retire every year,
for the tax system to work , they have to replaced by young workers .
In the system we have now , if you want a council house, you have to have 2 children at least.
Is it your opinion that only well off middle class people should be allowed
to have children ?
Most people are not economic experts,
when people have sex , they do not think can i afford to have a child.
I Think its very cynical to think that people just have children
to get a free house .

Only problem with the above is the cohort with multiples of kids and no source of earned income most likely are going to turn our same as the parents

Greyfox · 20-11-2019 12:19pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Most important job a woman can do is be a mother (except maybe doctor).

And been a mother involves actually raising a child to become a decent human being which clearly most traveler women are not capable of doing

Stevieluvsye · 20-11-2019 12:24pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

Fcuk sake

I'm surprised you haven't been banned for this comment.

You are up there with that other clown who starts a thread a minute

Deebles McBeebles · 20-11-2019 12:36pm

Greyfox wrote: »

And been a mother involves actually raising a child to become a decent human being which clearly most traveler women are not capable of doing

To be fair, I wouldn't aim that exclusively at our cultured friends. There is a whole genre of people who seem to aim for that lifestyle and also drag their kids up. Branches of what would have been decent working class families are now at liberty to sit on their hole and pop kids out only to send them off to do as they please as soon as they can walk.

Thelonious Monk · 20-11-2019 1:01pm

I suppose women who cant afford them from less than privileged backgrounds have them because it's probably the only thing they ever thought they'd amount to. Girls from good homes who get a decent education and go travelling and live a little tend to hold off until the time is right.

Tenzor07 · 20-11-2019 1:09pm

I'm sure this has been posted up on here the last time a debate came up...

However, this movie could be where society is headed when you have governments who offer "cradle to grave" social welfare:

frosty123 · 20-11-2019 1:12pm

Why do people have children that they can't afford?

Brained washed Catholics I suppose?

"every sperm is sacred"

Antares35 · 20-11-2019 1:12pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Most important job a woman can do is be a mother (except maybe doctor).
Much more important than fund accounting or airplane lease structuring.

And what about men? Is the most important job for them being a father? Good job we don't all subscribe to this bullsh*t, or the country would come to a standstill. Who would pay for these people to rear their kids if we were all busy doing the "most important job"?

Doctors room ghost · 20-11-2019 1:47pm

Antares35 wrote: »

Careful, here comes the PC brigade with their accusations of racism.

Since when did a traveller become a different race to the rest of us paddy irishmen?
Surely white,Irish,unemployed would cover things?

Dakota Dan · 20-11-2019 1:55pm

frosty123 wrote: »

Why do people have children that they can't afford?

Brained washed Catholics I suppose?

"every sperm is sacred"

Good man but you are 40 years too late.

oLoonatic · 20-11-2019 1:56pm

yawn

Sleepy · 20-11-2019 2:01pm

The sexual revolution finally hit Ireland in the late 80's / early 90's.
Our schools were (and still, largely are) in the control of the Catholic Church who use them to indoctrinate pro-life views on the students.
Contraception isn't foolproof.
Abortion has only just become legal, and will continue to be stigmatised due to religious interference in the education system.
Our social welfare system encourages young women to have children as a means of accessing social housing and further encourages large families with top-ups for each child.

gibgodsman · 20-11-2019 2:04pm

Because Bobs and Vagine are nice

blueshade · 20-11-2019 6:11pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Most important job a woman can do is be a mother (except maybe doctor).
Much more important than fund accounting or airplane lease structuring.

The 1950's rang, they want you back. Being a mother is one thing, being a good mother is another entirely. A child who sees their parents working to provide for them is a damned site better than parents who wouldn't work to warm themselves. No child deserves to be dragged up by a parent who describes themselves as a ''full time mad bastard''. Or by a parent who thinks working is for fools and horses.

beejee · 20-11-2019 6:56pm

blueshade wrote: »

The 1950's rang, they want you back. Being a mother is one thing, being a good mother is another entirely. A child who sees their parents working to provide for them is a damned site better than parents who wouldn't work to warm themselves. No child deserves to be dragged up by a parent who describes themselves as a ''full time mad bastard''. Or by a parent who thinks working is for fools and horses.

True, and the other side of that coin is that mothers who rarely see their own children because of work are hardly brilliant either. Ditto father's.

Did you have children to be raised in crèches the second you can get them out the door? Maybe they tune in after a few decades, they didn't want children but adults raised by strangers instead. Just rent a family like in Japan, far more efficient

Padre_Pio · 20-11-2019 7:53pm

blueshade wrote: »

The 1950's rang, they want you back. Being a mother is one thing, being a good mother is another entirely. A child who sees their parents working to provide for them is a damned site better than parents who wouldn't work to warm themselves. No child deserves to be dragged up by a parent who describes themselves as a ''full time mad bastard''. Or by a parent who thinks working is for fools and horses.

And where do you draw the line then?

Should childbirth be illegal for all non working couples? Or is it just people you deem to be scumbags?

blueshade · 20-11-2019 8:25pm

I seem to have hit a nerve with some of the cradle to grave welfare dependents. The why work when the taxpayer will fund you and your kids for life brigade.

My parents worked when we were kids, most of the parents of the kids I grew up with went out to work. They had to because the State wasn't providing them with lots of cash every week.

It is better for children to grow up with parents who provide for the kids themselves instead of wasters who wouldn't work to warm themselves. Once kids are at school there's no excuse for able bodied parents not to do some kind of part time or full time work. Pure laziness and attitude of entitlement not to.

wexandproud · 20-11-2019 8:30pm

abortion , dole bashing , scroungers , free houses , single mothers , racism , catholic church , all in one thread . must be a record even on here . only one left out is the crowd coming here taking our jobs . Im sure someone will give them a mention

LuasSimon · 20-11-2019 9:42pm

wexandproud wrote: »

abortion , dole bashing , scroungers , free houses , single mothers , racism , catholic church , all in one thread . must be a record even on here . only one left out is the crowd coming here taking our jobs . Im sure someone will give them a mention

Plenty of travellers in wexford , all on welfare

Millionaire only not · 21-11-2019 12:47am

marieholmfan wrote: »

In other words you are advocating the extermination of the Irish race!

Well might be no harm , Irish are very ugly more polish blood needed

Millionaire only not · 21-11-2019 12:51am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I suppose women who cant afford them from less than privileged backgrounds have them because it's probably the only thing they ever thought they'd amount to. Girls from good homes who get a decent education and go travelling and live a little tend to hold off until the time is right.

And often leave it too late as there busy trying to make a living , all the others just opened there legs .
Actually there’s very little cancer and sickness in that environment must be less stressful opening ur legs rather than going out to work

Why do people have children that they can't afford?

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