Selling house because of Youth problem

pablo128 · 17-11-2019 2:59pm

We were in Fettercairn for 9 years. We had all the problems being described on here. Unlike some posters, I had no problem catching them and throwing digs. It would work for a while and a different gang would come along and start again. We also had her nephew giving hidings to little scumbags.

The reason we threw the keys back in the end was when we realised our daughter hadn't played outside the house in 5 months with all the cars and bikes being rallied day and night.

AlekSmart · 17-11-2019 3:13pm

mondeo wrote: »

I live in Dublin 24 area, We made a hard decision today that it is in our interest to sell our house for safety and peace reasons.The reason is Youths... Our house is a cornor house and has been the victim of stone throwing, our cars have been damaged in our driveways several times. Have CCTV and security motion activated lights, may aswell have nothing there at all. They don't care, these young lads are all around the place every night of the week, friday and saturday night in particular has become nerve wrecking.. I find myself running to the windows everytime our security lights are triggered to see who is out there. This is no way to live....

All of this has been happening over the past year, maybe a little longer. My partner doesn't want to live in the house anymore and neither do I. It's fine during the day time, after 7pm it's stressing us out. We are contacting an estate agent on Monday morning to get the ball rolling so we can get out of here. It's so sad since the house is all paid for and everything. We don't want to move terribly far because we work pretty close to our house. One thing is for sure, wherever we move to is not going to be anywhere near council estates ! Our house unfortunately is very near a council estate and this is where we believe these little scruffy bastads are spawning from. This could go on for years and years, so we are getting out now.

Sad and depressing post,outlining a sad & depressing situation.

However,not all bad,as the thread has at least allowed you to appreciate that what you are experiencing is a "Complex Social Issue",rather than merely an example of the seedier (and more prevalent) side of Human Nature,so strongly encouraged in modern Ireland.

The cost of solving these social issues,will of course vary with their complexity,and will require ongoing attention throughout the lives of the perpetrators,all paid for through YOUR Social Contributions.

Think Positive !

Now,are you clear on that ?

Mokuba · 17-11-2019 3:14pm

Do extensive research on the area/estate/house you choose. Literally sit in the car at night and observe anything you see. Do this over multiple nights. Look out for evidence of gangs of scrotes, parties, even renters.

Some council tenants can be alright but for the ones that are not it's simply not worth the risk. The council could throw in some complete wasters into the house just because they don't want to be annoyed by them/councillors on their behalf anymore.

Developers have to give a percentage of housing over as part of Part 5 obligations, but they can give houses in another estate in lieu of these - i.e they can keep an "exclusive" development out of the hands of the council. So the most common thing you see is 20%-40% estates, and this is where the problem grows.

Mokuba · 17-11-2019 3:17pm

pablo128 wrote: »

We were in Fettercairn for 9 years. We had all the problems being described on here. Unlike some posters, I had no problem catching them and throwing digs. It would work for a while and a different gang would come along and start again. We also had her nephew giving hidings to little scumbags.

The reason we threw the keys back in the end was when we realised our daughter hadn't played outside the house in 5 months with all the cars and bikes being rallied day and night.

Careful with that, although that's proper order for them. Some idiot judge will decide you could have just talked to them.

He said the proper approach would have been to speak to the boys in a peaceful manner, and if that didn’t work, to call the gardaí.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/man-who-fractured-boy-s-skull-with-hurley-gets-extra-two-years-in-jail-1.4048012

AlphabetCards · 17-11-2019 3:18pm

I am always ragging on Ireland, but I think you ahould consider moving for a decade. The 'homeless' industry is going to take the piss for a while. I'm in a village in Somerset and the worst we see are local lads robbing apples from the orchard and throwing them at windows occassionally. Don't waste your time in a city either, go rural.

_Kaiser_ · 17-11-2019 3:18pm

The OP's story is pretty much exactly the experience we had at home for years.

Corner house, cars damaged, windows smashed, crap thrown over the wall into the garden, abuse, harassment.. All despite CCTV and all from little scumbags who the local Gardai (useless and not exactly spotless themselves over the years) would do nothing about, nor would the council.

It continued with each new generation of scum and the only real difference to the OP was mam was sick and unemployed and renting the house from the council herself, so no option to sell up and move.

But definitely get out OP. Your life will be made a complete misery the longer you're there and the more the scum realise that, the worse it'll get.

Put the house up quietly if that is even possible, remove the cameras and the lights (don't want to put off buyers even more and as you say, they're not helping anyway) and be prepared to think about the bigger picture when it comes to considering offers.

Best of luck mate. I genuinely hope you can get out of there.

cj maxx · 17-11-2019 3:21pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

If you're looking, when you think you've decided on an area, have a quiet chat with the local Garda station (or nearest if none local). They're the best to let you know which areas would be 'safest'. Granted, I was a Garda when I bought mine, but I didn't know the area and asked the local lads. They mention they get quite a few queries like that, so as long as you're not a cnut they might help you out. Or even a sly 'which area do you get the least calls to' kind of question.

Edit: Actually, with GDPR and all that craic, this may no longer be an option...

Take drive round the area at evening and on weekends. See if scallywags are hanging around

tastyt · 17-11-2019 3:38pm

A few others have said this, if you can, get out of the city, its turning into an absolute dump.

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 4:01pm

Bargain_Hound wrote: »

Similar situation here OP. Corner house in a new private estate(with 30% social housing). Council moved Knackers in next door a few months after we bought. We sold up within a year before it was too late. Devastating but I wasn’t paying mortgage for 35 years while surrounded by a future of Hell.

-Estate agents weren’t very forth coming sharing any information about council house allocations.
-We figured 10% advertised wouldn’t have a massive affect, turned out this figure was closer to 30%, we had 3 in a row attached to us, 5 in a row behind us. And this pattern was continued throughout the estate.
-took a risk not taking a prejudice view on social housing but the gamble didn’t pay off.

Back saving for 20% deposit now to buy 2nd hand home - a bit more wiser.

That's a huge problem in itself. Your not allowed criticise these people or your classist or looking down your nose at the less fortunate :rolleyes: There was a thread recently enough where the op asked if people would live next to people on social welfare and the op got some amount of bashing. It might not be pc to say it and I know not even one on the social is a scumbag but as this thread shows, there's enough of them out there to ruin otherwise good estates. The problem is the courts. They are way too lenient on this type of behaviour and there's little the Gards can do.

high_king · 17-11-2019 4:15pm

When is RTE going to do a social climate special and have the scroates all on the late late.
Maybe we can invite these young scroates into the Diall to tell us all what to do as well.

Berserker · 17-11-2019 4:28pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Who else do you think would want to live there! Better have the house flattened

There'll be a queue of people looking to buy it. The local estate agents will see to that.

Deleted User wrote: »

Which "left wing" government would this be??

I've lived here for 25 years and I can't think of one that hasn't been left leaning.

deandean wrote: »

You used to be able to have a chat with your local Sinn Fein TD or counsellor and these type of anti social issues would be sorted.

SF thrive in these areas. They are part of the problem. They support and enable this behaviour.

tastyt wrote: »

A few others have said this, if you can, get out of the city, its turning into an absolute dump.

Totally agree. Would buy a one off build down the country, if I was ever buying a home here. Took risky buying in an estate due to the issues noted in this thread and I wouldn't trust the people that build those houses either. Those houses are thrown up in no time.

Wanderer78 · 17-11-2019 4:30pm

Berserker wrote: »

There'll be a queue of people looking to buy it. The local estate agents will see to that.

I've lived here for 25 years and I can't think of one that hasn't been left leaning.

SF thrive in these areas. They are part of the problem. They support and enable this behaviour.

Totally agree. Would buy a one off build down the country, if I was ever buying a home here. Took risky buying in an estate due to the issues noted in this thread and I wouldn't trust the people that build those houses either. Those houses are thrown up in no time.

this should be interesting! like who, and in what way have they been left leaning?

Berserker · 17-11-2019 4:31pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this should be interesting! like who, and in what way have they been left leaning?

Left leaning on every social issue for starters. Divorce, abortion, LGBTQ+ rights off the top of my head.

Wanderer78 · 17-11-2019 4:33pm

Berserker wrote: »

Left leaning on every social issue for starters. Divorce, abortion, LGBTQ+ rights off the top of my head.

thats not necessarily left leaning, not exactly conservative either mind you

Berserker · 17-11-2019 4:36pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thats not necessarily left leaning, not exactly conservative either mind you

What would you call it then?

Wanderer78 · 17-11-2019 4:45pm

Berserker wrote: »

What would you call it then?

more liberalism than anything. its clearly obvious, our leading parties, and governments that they have created, are more economically conservative, engaging in, or try to be, more conservative by nature, by 'balancing the books', so to speak, even running surpluses at times. theyve also engaged in more conservative activities such as austerity etc. this is the most common outcome across the world, particularly in western nations , as we all have engaged in market based ideologies, and funnily enough, we re all ending up with the same or similar problems, particularly socially. left leaning, i dont think so!

Cee-Jay-Cee · 17-11-2019 4:53pm

I done the same thing back in 2010. Our house and cars were egged every weekend, there was a street light outside our house and it attracted them like moths every night. We made the decision to move out and do put the house up for sale and started looking for a new house. We moved out of town completely to a house in the country and couldn’t be happier.

Do it OP, life is too short, move now and enjoy your life again.

Grab All Association · 17-11-2019 4:56pm

The problem is Lone Parent Payments and Child Benefit. The Cash and Co types essentially become farmers with a herd of children. Maybe once a week stuff a greasy takeaway down their throats and you’ve really to do nothing else. Every goblin dropped out of her is a 7 years extension of her entitlement to sit on her ass.

The only way to stop these anti social problems is to cap welfare payments to a maximum of 2 children until the child is 2 years old. Scrap child benefits and administer it another way. Get rid of Lone parent welfare payments for under 18s (excluding disability allowance) to discourage teen pregnancies in certain cultures and prioritise social housing for single people to discourage queue jumping.

Your Face · 17-11-2019 4:58pm

OP is in a very similar situation to a friend of mine.
He lives in a corner house in the East side of Galway City. He's always dealing with his house being targeted. He hopes to move to the country as soon as he can.
There's no consequences for the young lads that attack his property.

Berserker · 17-11-2019 5:01pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

more liberalism than anything.

Social liberalism, I would say in that case. I would associate that with the left.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

its clearly obvious, our leading parties, and governments that they have created, are more economically conservative, engaging in, or try to be, more conservative by nature, by 'balancing the books', so to speak, even running surpluses at times. theyve also engaged in more conservative activities such as austerity etc. this is the most common outcome across the world, particularly in western nations , as we all have engaged in market based ideologies, and funnily enough, we re all ending up with the same or similar problems, particularly socially. left leaning, i dont think so!

Do you think that they've been economically conservative w.r.t the topic being discussed in this thread? They been very generous when it comes to social payments. They've coupled generous social payments with conservative acts such as austerity but middle class workers were the primary targets when it came to austerity. These trouble makers are not middle class.

Jamie2k9 · 17-11-2019 5:03pm

Could buy a Mosquito alarm which might deter loitering.

Galwayguy35 · 17-11-2019 5:05pm

The only silver lining here is that a lot of these scumbags will die young and do society a favour but unfortunately they will have bred the next generation before the drugs, smokes and dutch gold put them in a brown box.

I feel for the OP, it's like all the odds are being stacked against decent hard working people these days and the Government is doing nothing only rewarding the workshy scroungers.

kildare lad · 17-11-2019 5:12pm

My friend and he's wife paid big money for a house and in the affordable section in the estate theres nothing but ex junkies and stay at home parents with loads of kids , while everyone else is working to pay for their home , the spongers pay next to nothing and sit around watching telly while their kids run amok .

Bargain_Hound · 17-11-2019 5:16pm

mondeo wrote: »

God knows how long it will take to sell the house, could take 6 months, I want to request with the estate agency we end up going with that they do not put a "For Sale" sign outside the house so no one knows we are moving... We think things will get worse if they see a sign outside the house.

We are looking to move maybe D16, it's not miles away but it's all private, or maybe somewhere in D14. I have always liked these areas and back in the day we did look at buying a house out there but they were much more expensive, I totally understand why now. More then likely when we sell our house, we will have to get another small mortgage to pay the price difference for a house in a nicer area. That's fine with us since we are still relatively young and don't mind paying off another part of a mortgage.

Looking forward to going out and viewing new houses in the new year, our last xmas in this house really makes me happy and buzzy inside. It's great we finally made a decision on this.

We went with this approach. Kept it quiet, no for sale signs, sold the second day it went up online. Thankfully the new buyer viewed on a quiet day. Still shocked it ever sold.

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 5:19pm

Bargain_Hound wrote: »

We went with this approach. Kept it quiet, no for sale signs, sold the second day it went up online. Thankfully the new buyer viewed on a quiet day. Still shocked it ever sold.

Were they buying to move in or to rent it out?

Leg End Reject · 17-11-2019 5:25pm

Do the councils buy hoses in established private estates?

antodeco · 17-11-2019 5:26pm

I really fear for how the next generation will need to live. The way the country had changed in the last 20/30 years, makes it scary for the next 20/30 years

_Kaiser_ · 17-11-2019 5:47pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Do the councils buy hoses in established private estates?

The councils seem to be buying up pretty much anything and everything they can get their hands on at this stage with predicatable results.

Although there are exceptions, generally people who get everything handed to them for free or next to nothing rarely appreciate it.

celticWario · 17-11-2019 5:50pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this should be interesting! like who, and in what way have they been left leaning?

This is going off topic massively but pro-divorce, pro gay marriage and pro abortion as well as a very generous social welfare system are all left wing policies.

Berserker · 17-11-2019 5:50pm

antodeco wrote: »

I really fear for how the next generation will need to live. The way the country had changed in the last 20/30 years, makes it scary for the next 20/30 years

I'd say that Dublin and the commuter belt will be full of no-go areas. One of my mates is convinces that'll end up like LA, which is a horrible dump.

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Do the councils buy hoses in established private estates?

Pretty much. One of my friends paid €660K for her house. It's a lovely detached house, four bed in a small, old estate. The council bought the house two doors down from her recently.

Leg End Reject · 17-11-2019 5:53pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The councils seem to be buying up pretty much anything and everything they can get their hands on at this stage with predicatable results.

Although there are exceptions, generally people who get everything handed to them for free or next to nothing rarely appreciate it.

Berserker wrote: »

Pretty much. One of my friends paid €660K for her house. It's a lovely detached house, four bed in a small, old estate. The council bought the house two doors down from her recently.

So it's all a lottery then. Buy in a nice area and hope no one sells up.

Potential-Monke · 17-11-2019 5:54pm

Berserker wrote: »

One of my friends paid €660K for her house. It's a lovely detached house, four bed in a small, old estate. The council bought the house two doors down from her recently.

If i paid that much for a house and that happened, it would sicken my shit...

Berserker · 17-11-2019 5:56pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

So it's all a lottery then. Buy in a nice area and hope no one sells up.

Yep, not a chance in hell that we'd buy in Dublin/Kildare etc. If we were going to buy here, it'd be a one off build down the country, on a nice plot of land. You are still only 1.5 hours from Dublin, which is nothing. I used to spend two hours a day driving in and out of Houston for work. My wife drove to Dallas every week or so and that was a three hour drive.

AlphabetCards · 17-11-2019 6:00pm

The direction the country is taking is scary.

celticWario · 17-11-2019 6:01pm

Unless parents are held responsible for the actions of their little angels then nothing will change, also a two tier curfew, one for under 16 and one for under 18's should be trialed.

Bargain_Hound · 17-11-2019 6:03pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Were they buying to move in or to rent it out?

Move in.

NickNickleby · 17-11-2019 6:04pm

Hi OP,

if the local Gardai could be persuaded to take an interest, it might be solvable, but that's a pretty big if (we spent two years trying to get action, which eventually worked, thank God).

Anyway, the only hopefully practical advice I can offer is to remove any signs of intensive surveillance, as surely that would cause potential buyers to wonder why its necessary - it would for me, anyway.

Good luck!

Jimbob1977 · 17-11-2019 6:14pm

My friend bought his first home in City West back in 2001. It was the height of the Celtic Tiger and people were property crazy.

He lived there a few years with his young family. His neighbours were of a similar background and demographic.

When the crash came, he wanted to move his family to a larger and quieter place, so he relocated to a rural village. He signed a ten-year deal with South Dublin County Council to rent the house out for social housing. Guaranteed rent.

Every once in a while, an appliance breaks in the rented house. When he visits, he is always shocked at the deterioration if the place. Mildew, grubby, above average wear and tear, appliances that just 'broke' without a good explanation. The tenant was almost zero respect for the property.

Looking around the estate, he says it has slumped dramatically. Reckons it will be a problem area within 10 years. He has no interest in living in City West again. But he'd probably have to take a haircut on the selling price!

dd973 · 17-11-2019 6:22pm

Funny how these characters who do this stuff think they're so 'hard' or 'badass'.

Always mob handed, never on their own, enjoy making others uncomfortable but would evacuate their bowels in two seconds in a warzone or a boxing ring.

Just like the workplace bully who knows full well that their quarry has their hands tied by wearing the psychological and financial shackles of being 'at work', usually in a supplicant position, and cannot tell their tormentor to 'F*** off' or mete out some rougher justice.

mondeo · 17-11-2019 6:28pm

I bet the council wouldn't buy up houses around D4 to house people from the list in, D4 is the Beverly Hills of Dublin. The area will depreciate in value and the government wouldn't allow that anyways since it's where most of them are living themselves. All the big earners have their D4 homes. Imagine paying over 1 million + for a 3 bedroom semi in D4 compared to €370,000 for a 3 bedroom house in D24, only to have a family of wasters move in next door to you throwing garbage over your back wall. I doubt it would happen, it wouldn't happen.There would be murder if it did. The council will gladly buy up property in all the lesser private areas though, downgrading the value of everyone elses house there. Firhouse for exampe has fallen victim to this.

beejee · 17-11-2019 6:28pm

First thought: city-living in Anglo countries is on a very sharp decline in quality of life, matched with ludicrously high prices. Makes sense!

These places are en route to detroit, pockets of decency surrounded by an anything-goes hell hole.

Get out if you can.

Second thought: this "flight" to escape the crumbiness of city life is only temporary. The effluent will flow out after you, you're only buying a bit of time. Like cutting off body parts to avoid gangrene, but it's not solving anything because the gangrene is spreading everywhere.

So it may be time overdue to "do something about it" while you can do something about it.

beejee · 17-11-2019 6:32pm

mondeo wrote: »

I bet the council wouldn't buy up houses around D4 to house people from the list in, D4 is the Beverly Hills of Dublin. The area will depreciate in value and the government wouldn't allow that anyways since it's where most of them are living themselves. All the big earners have their D4 homes. Imagine paying over 1 million + for a 3 bedroom semi in D4 compared to €370,000 for a 3 bedroom house in D24, only to have a family of wasters move in next door to you throwing garbage over your back wall. I doubt it would happen, it wouldn't happen.There would be murder if it did. The council will gladly buy up property in all the lesser private areas though, downgrading the value of everyone elses house there. Firhouse for exampe has fallen victim to this.

It's still going to bite them in the hole, one way or the other.

They have no problem with the establishment of dumps "far away", but those dumps will grow and grow and grow, until the d4 boys are suddenly shocked at what's bearing down upon them.

Typical short-sighted fookery.

ceadaoin. · 17-11-2019 6:32pm

mondeo wrote: »

I bet the council wouldn't buy up houses around D4 to house people from the list in, D4 is the Beverly Hills of Dublin. The area will depreciate in value and the government wouldn't allow that anyways since it's where most of them are living themselves. All the big earners have their D4 homes. Imagine paying over 1 million + for a 3 bedroom semi in D4 compared to €370,000 for a 3 bedroom house in D24, only to have a family of wasters move in next door to you throwing garbage over your back wall. I doubt it would happen, it wouldn't happen.There would be murder if it did. The council will gladly buy up property in all the lesser private areas though, downgrading the value of everyone elses house there. Firhouse for exampe has fallen victim to this.

Even 370k for a 3 bed semi in Tallaght is madness! Plenty of nice estates there, my parents still live in one, but houses should not be selling for that price. Ridiculous.

listermint · 17-11-2019 6:39pm

Sorry to hear that op it's tough break and antisocial problems in your home can be the rock bottom.

What I will say is that corner houses no matter where they are can attract kids. It's just how it is. Corner House is somewhere to hang out. It's been like that since year dot.

Its not you nor any particular owner it's just a handy location to loiter or meet people. If you go out and try shift them then the messing can start.

The only means to make a corner house less approachable is to remove leaning or sitting spaces from it. You will never find kids hanging out or leaning against a corner house with a leylandi hedge or any other thick bushes. It removed the friendlyness of the location and the group find the next best place. It's part psychology part comfort. If an areas comfortable the kids will just keep coming back it become habit.

If you weren't moving I'd suggest getting the wall topped with a small metal decorative fence maybe around a foot high and plant mature hedging along the length of the entire wall and the wall at the front. This would break the cycle of the house being somewhere to be. Might make it a pain for the next best spot of one of your neighbors. But rinse and repeat

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 6:42pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The councils seem to be buying up pretty much anything and everything they can get their hands on at this stage with predicatable results.

Although there are exceptions, generally people who get everything handed to them for free or next to nothing rarely appreciate it.

The problem is the people who make these decisions will never find themselves living among the problem makers. A judge will never live in the corner house that is targeted by delinquents and so will never experience the full horror of what that entails. It's easy to intellectualise a problem/solution when that will never impact you.

They've learned that building estates and filling them with people on the social leads to gangs and bad things. Their solution was to spread out the bad people into good areas in the hope that the bad people would become good. That's not working and the obvious solution is to come down hard on the bad people and punish their bad behaviour. Unfortunately they won't do this.

I bet if a house lived in by a Judge or TD was being constantly egged, stones thrown threw their windows, cars constantly vandalised, there would be something done about it but the average working person just has to suck it up. The current model isn't working but unfortunately I don't know how it's going to be fixed. Working people are too busy with work, dropping the kids at creche/school etc to protest so what can be done?

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2019 6:48pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

The problem is Lone Parent Payments and Child Benefit. The Cash and Co types essentially become farmers with a herd of children. Maybe once a week stuff a greasy takeaway down their throats and you’ve really to do nothing else. Every goblin dropped out of her is a 7 years extension of her entitlement to sit on her ass.

The only way to stop these anti social problems is to cap welfare payments to a maximum of 2 children until the child is 2 years old. Scrap child benefits and administer it another way. Get rid of Lone parent welfare payments for under 18s (excluding disability allowance) to discourage teen pregnancies in certain cultures and prioritise social housing for single people to discourage queue jumping.

I can never understand why child benefit is not stopped at 2 kids.

Strumms · 17-11-2019 6:48pm

AlphabetCards wrote: »

The direction the country is taking is scary.

It is, unfortunately the decent people trying to make a life for themselves are sandwiched in between feral scum on one side and an absolutely shîte and useless Gardai whom are made up of mostly of ‘in it to win it’ careerist cowards.

Berserker · 17-11-2019 6:50pm

mondeo wrote: »

I bet the council wouldn't buy up houses around D4 to house people from the list in, D4 is the Beverly Hills of Dublin.

I lived in D4 (Ballsbridge) for a few years. There was one single mother on assistance on our floor. The land lady used to be on the hunt for her every other month for outstanding rent. D4 is lifeless in the evenings and weekends, even when events are on in the RDS or LR. It'd be an odd place for any child to grow up. Mon-Fri 9-5 the place is full of working people from AIB and such. Most of the people we knew were young professionals. Very few families, if any, in the area.

beejee · 17-11-2019 6:58pm

Berserker wrote: »

I lived in D4 (Ballsbridge) for a few years. There was one single mother on assistance on our floor. The land lady used to be on the hunt for her every other month for outstanding rent. D4 is lifeless in the evening and weekends, even when events are on in the RDS or LR. It'd be an odd place for any child to grow up. Mon-Fri 9-5 the place is full of working people from AIB and such. Most of the people we knew were young professionals. Very few families, if any, in the area.

Donkeys years ago I was walking through ballsbridge, daytime. I was drenched because I forgot an umbrella, but otherwise nothing outlandish about clothing etc.

Gardai pull over beside me and called me over. Completely puzzled, over I go.

"are you from around here?" they asked. Which I wasn't, I was living in rathmines at the time.

I tell them that, still waiting for the penny to drop about why they stopped me. Nope, that was it, just checking why I had the cheek to walk down a street in the "right kind" of area.

Took a minute after they were gone to even cop on what had just happened.

When I think of that kind of "protection" the gardai are magically able to offer one place over another... man, fook all and everyone of the people who think that's all okay. Complete joke.

LuasSimon · 17-11-2019 7:04pm

Berserker wrote: »

I lived in D4 (Ballsbridge) for a few years. D4 is lifeless in the evening and weekends, even when events are on in the RDS or LR. It'd be an odd place for any child to grow up. Mon-Fri 9-5 the place is full of working people from AIB and such. Most of the people we knew were young professionals. Very few families, if any, in the area.

Put a few traveller family’s in ballsbridge wouldn’t be long changing the lifeless world , especially as they have minimum 7/8 children each , be interesting to see the four seasons and the Bridge bar trying to deal with discrimination cases for not serving travellers . A few sulky horses on Wanderers rugby pitch could also add to the liberal agenda of the area .

Selling house because of Youth problem

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