Jessica Yaniv refused service at gynaecologist's office

Quantum Erasure · 03-12-2019 10:23pm #1

Seems ridiculous at first, but read the twitter thread and I feel she may have a point...

https://twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1201665480504668162

her three other tweets in that thread:

Gynaecologists form a part of the multidisciplinary team who engage with transgender and non‐binary patients, either as part of the transition stage performing surgery or managing pre‐ or post‐transition gynaecological problems.

The @cpsbc_ca has confirmed to me that the refusal I’ve received is discrimination under the BC Human Rights Code and against their code of Ethics.

So @cpsbc_ca I’ll file a complaint with you today about that clinic. Trans people need to be included, not excluded from society. Pre and post gender affirming surgery care is super important!

How do you feel about this?

I'm not too sure, Trans people should have access to services they need, but I don't know if every gynaecological surgery should or could be able to handle cases like these...

Tom Mann Centuria · 03-12-2019 10:27pm

They're a f*cking troll who are doing the trans community a disservice with all this bullsh*t. Imo, maybe trans people may see it differently.

Hande hoche! · 03-12-2019 10:29pm

At least there wasn't any cake or waxing involved.

One eyed Jack · 03-12-2019 10:34pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Seems ridiculous at first...

How do you feel about this?

Seems ridiculous at first?

I feel they’re a joke, a joke that’s in poor taste, being entertained by idiots, defended by fools.

03-12-2019 10:36pm

Their business, their rules. Storm in a teacup. Yaniv doesn't deserve the oxygen of publicity.

Sardonicat · 03-12-2019 10:37pm

Why does someone who doesn't have the specific body parts treated under the speciality of gynaecology need to see a gynecologist? How on earth could they be referred to one and byou whom?

Quantum Erasure · 03-12-2019 10:48pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why does someone who doesn't have the specific body parts treated under the speciality of gynaecology need to see a gynecologist? How on earth could they be referred to one and by whom?

would gynaecologists not have anything to offer post op mtf transexuals? (I don't know enough about the functioning of a 'neo-vagina' to answer that one...)

StinkyMunkey · 03-12-2019 10:50pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a gynaecologist is trained in dealing with a woman's vagina....!

A trans person who was a male and now identifies as female doesn't have a vagina! They essentially have a penis turned inside out.

By all means go see a specialist who knows what they are doing and is trained in dealing with a trans persons body modifications.

But go **** right off strolling into a gynaecologist and demanding to be seen, you don't have a vagina and never will you twat.

One eyed Jack · 03-12-2019 10:52pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

would gynaecologists not have anything to offer post op mtf transexuals? (I don't know enough about the functioning of a 'neo-vagina' to answer that one...)

Yanniv though still retains their male physiology, and therefore could only wish to waste a gynaecologists time for their own amusement.

Guy:Incognito · 03-12-2019 10:52pm

Seems very odd that all these things keep happening to the one person..................

splinter65 · 03-12-2019 10:54pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Seems ridiculous at first, but read the twitter thread and I feel she may have a point...

https://twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1201665480504668162

her three other tweets in that thread:

How do you feel about this?

I'm not too sure, Trans people should have access to services they need, but I don't know if every gynaecological surgery should or could be able to handle cases like these...

Men don’t need a gynaecologist. Yanniv is a man. So doesn’t need the gynaecologist. This really is neither difficult or complicated.

Quantum Erasure · 03-12-2019 10:54pm

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a gynaecologist is trained in dealing with a woman's vagina....!

A trans person who was a male and now identifies as female doesn't have a vagina! They essentially have a penis turned inside out.

By all means go see a specialist who knows what they are doing and is trained in dealing with a trans persons body modifications.

But go **** right off strolling into a gynaecologist and demanding to be seen, you don't have a vagina and never will you twat.

she's still, eh, 'anatomically intact', as far as I know

osarusan · 03-12-2019 10:55pm

I can understand a gynecologist consulting with the surgery team from the perspective of aesthetics or whatever, but this is a very specialist area which will need experts in the field of transitioning.

I cannot think of any reason to visit a 'usual' gynecologist, other than to continue the tradition of sh!t-stirring and suing.

Getting referred to this particular gynecologist who then refused to deal with them would be odd though, if true.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-12-2019 10:58pm

it’s a psychologist he needs not a gynaecologist

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2019 11:00pm

Gynaecology is the branch of medicine to do with breasts and female reproductive parts. Anyone who doesn’t have these structures has no need for one.

One eyed Jack · 03-12-2019 11:01pm

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a gynaecologist is trained in dealing with a woman's vagina....!

A trans person who was a male and now identifies as female doesn't have a vagina! They essentially have a penis turned inside out.

By all means go see a specialist who knows what they are doing and is trained in dealing with a trans persons body modifications.

But go **** right off strolling into a gynaecologist and demanding to be seen, you don't have a vagina and never will you twat.

Well, you’re not entirely wrong, but a gynaecologist is trained with knowledge of the human reproductive system, both male and female. That’s the entirety of the human reproductive system, they wouldn’t just be familiar with the female vagina.

They would also be involved in research like fertility treatments and uterine transplants -

Uterine transplantation in transgender women

None of which applies in this particular case, but the point I’m making is that gynaecologists aren’t limited to examining or treating conditions solely related to the female vagina.

RocketRaccoon · 03-12-2019 11:01pm

This person needs to be taken out of the public eye, it's an embarrassment.

Blind Eagle · 03-12-2019 11:02pm

This fella is just an attention seeker.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:04pm

I love that people either didn't read or didn't care about this bit:

"Gynaecologists form a part of the multidisciplinary team who engage with transgender and non‐binary patients, either as part of the transition stage performing surgery or managing pre‐ or post‐transition gynaecological problems."

And just lump in with this person could have not business here... while admiting they know eff all about it. But still have a go.

What a bunch of hateful people you are.

It seems Gynaecologists are a part of the transgender transformation, just this one has refused to be.

RocketRaccoon · 03-12-2019 11:06pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I love that people either didn't read or didn't care about this bit:

"Gynaecologists form a part of the multidisciplinary team who engage with transgender and non‐binary patients, either as part of the transition stage performing surgery or managing pre‐ or post‐transition gynaecological problems."

And just lump in with this person could have not business here... while admiting they know eff all about it. But still have a go.

What a bunch of hateful people you are.

It seems Gynaecologists are a part of the transgender transformation, just this one has refused to be.

No, this person is out to cause more businesses to have to shut down unnecessarily.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:08pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

No, this person is out to cause more businesses to have to shut down unnecessarily.

says you, as justification for your hatred. Cool.

splinter65 · 03-12-2019 11:11pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

she's still, eh, 'anatomically intact', as far as I know

He. He is anatomically intact. Even if he wasn’t then he’d still be a man.

drunkmonkey · 03-12-2019 11:11pm

Where Beasty at, they is gonna love this thread...

Quantum Erasure · 03-12-2019 11:11pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

They would also be involved in research like fertility treatments and uterine transplants -

Uterine transplantation in transgender women

Jesus, i never realised that was even close to being a thing,

Conclusion
Despite a number of anatomical, hormonal, fertility, and obstetric considerations that require consideration, there is no overwhelming clinical argument against performing UTx [uterine transplantation] as part of GRS [gender reassignment surgery]. However, the increased radicality associated with the retrieval operation, including a longer vaginal cuff and more extensive ligamentous dissection, potentially necessitates the use of deceased donors. Alternatively, F2M transgender men may offer an alternative donor pool should they accept the increased risk compared with standard hysterectomy. Prior to undertaking UTx in transgender women, further research should be undertaken including cadaveric retrieval and implantations to assess the feasibility of the anatomical considerations discussed herein....

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:11pm

splinter65 wrote: »

He. He is anatomically intact. Even if he wasn’t then he’d still be a man.

She.

RocketRaccoon · 03-12-2019 11:13pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

says you, as justification for your hatred. Cool.

Hatred for this person? Absolutely and will freely admit it. A disgusting individual as seen the last time their name came up.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:14pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Hatred for this person? Absolutely and will freely admit it. A disgusting individual as seen the last time their name came up.

so you aren't taking the case as is. Cool.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2019 11:16pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I love that people either didn't read or didn't care about this bit:

"Gynaecologists form a part of the multidisciplinary team who engage with transgender and non‐binary patients, either as part of the transition stage performing surgery or managing pre‐ or post‐transition gynaecological problems."

And just lump in with this person could have not business here... while admiting they know eff all about it. But still have a go.

What a bunch of hateful people you are.

It seems Gynaecologists are a part of the transgender transformation, just this one has refused to be.

That was Yaniv’s own words. Some gynaecologists might have extra training to treat transgender folks but it’s unlikely they all do. Maybe the gynaecologist didn’t want to treat somebody outside their area of expertise. If that’s the case, it’s sensible.

RocketRaccoon · 03-12-2019 11:19pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

so you aren't taking the case as is. Cool.

I'm seeing it for exactly what it is. A disgusting person trying to get attention and a business closed down. Just like the beauty salons before, this gynaecologist is well within their rights to say no to treating a person with a cock and balls.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:19pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That was Yaniv’s own words.

and a quick google would back up Gynaecologists being a valid part of pre-and-post op transgender transformations. I thought it sensible to at least do a cursory review of some information on the need, as I have no prior knowledge. And it would be stupid, ignorant and hateful to just assume otherwise and jump in two footed with abuse. Unless you have research that would refute the need of Gynaecologists in such matters.

splinter65 · 03-12-2019 11:20pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I love that people either didn't read or didn't care about this bit:

"Gynaecologists form a part of the multidisciplinary team who engage with transgender and non‐binary patients, either as part of the transition stage performing surgery or managing pre‐ or post‐transition gynaecological problems."

And just lump in with this person could have not business here... while admiting they know eff all about it. But still have a go.

What a bunch of hateful people you are.

It seems Gynaecologists are a part of the transgender transformation, just this one has refused to be.

If the gynaecologist doesn’t believe that a man can become a woman then they don’t have to pretend that they do. The gynaecologist probably got into gynaecology because they were interested in female medicine.
I don’t hate anyone. I don’t believe that a man can become a woman because it’s not biologically possible. That doesn’t make me hateful.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:20pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

I'm seeing it for exactly what it is. A disgusting person trying to get attention and a business closed down. Just like the beauty salons before, this gynaecologist is well within their rights to say no to treating a person with a cock and balls.

Name the business they are trying to get closed down.

I feel if they were really trying... you'd be able to name the place.

Patrick2010 · 03-12-2019 11:20pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

so you aren't taking the case as is. Cool.

Do you know about this guys history? His interest in young girls? Bullying poor women who won’t wax his balls

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2019 11:21pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

and a quick google would back up Gynaecologists being a valid part of pre-and-post op transgender transformations. I thought it sensible to at least do a cursory review of some information on the need, as I have no prior knowledge. And it would be stupid, ignorant and hateful to just assume otherwise and jump in two footed with abuse. Unless you have research that would refute the need of Gynaecologists in such matters.

I added more to my post. If a gynaecologist has no extra training to deal with transgender genital issues, and that’s probably a lot of gynaecologists, they may not feel qualified to treat the person. That’s sensible and I can’t see why it would be a problem. The doctor might be a bigot. I suspect they more likely didn’t think they had the qualifications.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:21pm

splinter65 wrote: »

If the gynaecologist doesn’t believe that a man can become a woman then they don’t have to pretend that they do. The gynaecologist probably got into gynaecology because they were interested in female medicine.
I don’t hate anyone. I don’t believe that a man can become a woman because it’s not biologically possible. That doesn’t make me hateful.

So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

Still waters · 03-12-2019 11:23pm

What business would a man have going to a gynecologists office out of interest ?

Timberrrrrrrr · 03-12-2019 11:23pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

Would you go to a dentist or chiropractor to treat your cancer?

RocketRaccoon · 03-12-2019 11:23pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Name the business they are trying to get closed down.

I feel if they were really trying... you'd be able to name the place.

Give it time, they are getting complained today/tomorrow so will no doubt be named publicly. Can you tell me what pre-op gynaecological issues this person could have?

My guess right now is that this is a female gyno, let's wait and see if that's what is going on.

You're defending a predatory paedophile here.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:25pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Do you know about this guys history? His interest in young girls? Bullying poor women who won’t wax his balls

nope. and i don't care.

the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.

Forget the possible need for a Gynaecologists - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and are just a publicity stunt.
Forget that they were refered to a Gynaecologist - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and its just a publicity stunt.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:26pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Give it time, they are getting complained today/tomorrow so will no doubt be named publicly. Can you tell me what pre-op gynaecological issues this person could have?

My guess right now is that this is a female gyno, let's wait and see if that's what is going on.

You're defending a predatory paedophile here.

I'm giving out about the generalised hatred towards Transgender people and any need for Gynaecologist.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2019 11:26pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

nope. and i don't care.

the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.

Forget the possible need for a Gynaecologists - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and are just a publicity stunt.
Forget that they were refered to a Gynaecologist - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and its just a publicity stunt.

You’re telling other not to jerk their knees and yet you know nothing about Jessica Yaniv.

Tom Mann Centuria · 03-12-2019 11:27pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

If they didn't feel competent to treat a particular kind of cancer then they absolutely should refuse.

If they don't feel competent to treat this patient, and I'm sure lots of gynaecologists will have had no training at all with trans patients, then they are doing the correct thing by refusing.

It's much more "shady" for a doctor to say, sure I'll have a crack at something I'm not confident with, what's the worst that could happen?

Guy:Incognito · 03-12-2019 11:27pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.
t.

The hate is towards this specific person, who has form for this kind of crap with other businesses.

jammiedodgers · 03-12-2019 11:27pm

I'm not a gynaecologist but I know a cunt when I see one

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2019 11:28pm

osarusan wrote: »

I can understand a gynecologist consulting with the surgery team from the perspective of aesthetics or whatever, but this is a very specialist area which will need experts in the field of transitioning.

I cannot think of any reason to visit a 'usual' gynecologist, other than to continue the tradition of sh!t-stirring and suing.

Exactly.

splinter65 · 03-12-2019 11:28pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

“A man is not a woman” is not a “personal belief”.
It’s a biological, scientific fact.
You’re analogy is nonsense.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2019 11:28pm

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

If they didn't feel competent to treat a particular kind of cancer then they absolutely should refuse.

If they don't feel competent to treat this patient, and I'm sure lots of gynaecologists will have had no training at all with trans patients, then they are doing the correct thing by refusing.

It's much more "shady" for a doctor to say, sure I'll have a crack at something I'm not confident with, what's the worst that could happen?

And again, exactly.

Mitch Connor · 03-12-2019 11:29pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would you go to a dentist or chiropractor to treat your cancer?

No, and it isn't at all relevant.

A cursory glance online shows that Gynaecologists form part of a pre-and-post op transformation so going to a Gynaecologist in such circumstances seems like it could be part of the process.

Unless you have found information that refutes it - rather than a base assumption on your part because you don't accept or believe in transgender?

RocketRaccoon · 03-12-2019 11:29pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'm giving out about the generalised hatred towards Transgender people and any need for Gynaecologist.

There is no hatred whatsoever towards trans people in this thread. The hatred is aimed solely at a predatory paedophile, I highly suggest you read up on previous cases.

Still waters · 03-12-2019 11:29pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

She.

Wrong again, a man with penis and testicles is a he not a she, no matter what mental health issues he has that tells him otherwise

Quantum Erasure · 03-12-2019 11:31pm

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

It's much more "shady" for a doctor to say, sure I'll have a crack at something I'm not confident with, what's the worst that could happen?

I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll have a look...

Jessica Yaniv refused service at gynaecologist's office

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