Statutory Regulation of Counselling & Psychotherapy (Mod note in OP)

03-06-2018 12:14pm

SuperRabbit wrote: »

Anyone know what does that mean exactly? Does this mean it's done?

Statutory regulation is now necessary it seems. They are putting together a 13 member registration board for applicants. As soon as that is up and running then professionals in the area must apply in order to call themselves Psychotherapist etc.

SuperRabbit · 03-06-2018 1:09pm

this is in accordance with what has been in the works all this time? I assume we'll still be allowed call ourselves things like "trainee counsellor" and "pre-accredited counsellor"? if that is in fact what we are?

03-06-2018 2:22pm

SuperRabbit wrote: »

this is in accordance with what has been in the works all this time? I assume we'll still be allowed call ourselves things like "trainee counsellor" and "pre-accredited counsellor"? if that is in fact what we are?

I imagine you would be but I'm not sure how it will work. If you weren't being transparent about that in the past now you would have to be? Or will it be a case of no trainee permitted to practice, pre-accred and full accred only.

gctest50 · 03-06-2018 2:35pm

SuperRabbit wrote: »

this is in accordance with what has been in the works all this time? I assume we'll still be allowed call ourselves things like "trainee counsellor" and "pre-accredited counsellor"? if that is in fact what we are?

All that "pre" this and "poosibly a" needs to be prevented - it may mislead people who are at a very vulnerable stage in their lives

03-06-2018 3:01pm

gctest50 wrote: »

All that "pre" this and "poosibly a" needs to be prevented - it may mislead people who are at a very vulnerable stage in their lives

Pre-accreditation is a necessary stage therapists must go through. The standards for full accreditation are high and it's not possible as far as I know to apply straight after training. There is also the issue of therapists needing many hours of practice done before applying for full accreditation. The best way is to be transparent and let clients make up their own mind who they would like to attend.

gctest50 · 03-06-2018 3:10pm

Pre- is a stage of anything really -

i'm talking about those who may word their signs/adverts in a misleading way

03-06-2018 3:15pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Pre- is a stage of anything really -

i'm talking about those who may word their signs/adverts in a misleading way

That's different and where the regulation comes in. I don't know what the law will but I imagine it won't be legal to advertise yourself as something you are not. Mind you I believe that's already the case. I don't know how regulation will be enforced.

gctest50 · 03-06-2018 5:53pm

Make it like the Nurses Act , and increase the sentences to something more reasonable like 8 years and life

44.— (1) A person is guilty of an offence if the person—

(b) falsely represents to be a registered nurse or registered midwife, or

(c) being a registered nurse or registered midwife, falsely represents to be registered in a division of the register of nurses and midwives other than the division in which the person is registered.

(6) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—

(a) on summary conviction, to a class A fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or both,

(b) on conviction on indictment—

(i) in the case of a first offence, to a fine not exceeding €65,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or both,

(ii) in the case of any subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding €160,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both

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dar100 · 03-06-2018 6:56pm

cant see how they will standardise the training; i envisage many more years before z ything is finalised, if at all.

pre accredited was a guise created by IACP et al in order to get pre accredited money from people.

thankfully CORU will be taking over and hooefully the likes of IACP will be institutions of the past. not that their currentmy far from it; their whole board stepped down a few minths ago, it seem the cat was caught at the cream

03-06-2018 8:14pm

dar100 wrote: »

cant see how they will standardise the training; i envisage many more years before z ything is finalised, if at all.

pre accredited was a guise created by IACP et al in order to get pre accredited money from people.

thankfully CORU will be taking over and hooefully the likes of IACP will be institutions of the past. not that their currentmy far from it; their whole board stepped down a few minths ago, it seem the cat was caught at the cream

There certainly is a strong money making element from the associations alright. Although at least IACP offer free workshops on a regular basis. IAHIP are a different beast.

CWF · 13-08-2018 12:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

dar100 wrote: »

cant see how they will standardise the training; i envisage many more years before z ything is finalised, if at all.

pre accredited was a guise created by IACP et al in order to get pre accredited money from people.

thankfully CORU will be taking over and hooefully the likes of IACP will be institutions of the past. not that their currentmy far from it; their whole board stepped down a few minths ago, it seem the cat was caught at the cream

There certainly is a strong money making element from the associations alright. Although at least IACP offer free workshops on a regular basis. IAHIP are a different beast.

What's different about IAHIP

The Black Oil · 06-11-2019 9:50pm

Anyone heard of updates on this?

SuperRabbit · 06-11-2019 10:45pm

*tumble weed*

CWF · 09-11-2019 9:22pm

Nah nothing yet. Brexit probably dominating everything in Leinster house

JuliusCaesar · 12-10-2020 6:25pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

Anyone heard of updates on this?

Subscribe to the CORU newsletter!

Here's the latest: https://coru.ie/news/news-for-health-social-care-professionals/coru-draft-statement-of-strategy-2021-2025.pdf

page 17:

We have established Registration Boards for Counsellors, Podiatrists, Psychotherapists, Psychologists and Social Care Workers, each working to progress opening registers for its profession.

The Black Oil · 15-10-2020 9:50am

Thanks JC.

https://twitter.com/PresidentIRL/status/1316420501942620161

Betsy Og · 30-01-2023 12:21pm

Regulatory Status of the Human Givens Institute?

While I found the snippet below (CORU submissions) inferring it is part of the Irish Council for Psychotherapy, the website psychotherapycouncil.ie is not clear on what organisations are part of it. HGI made its own submission and was not listed on the Irish Council for Psychotherapy submission. So I'm a bit unclear as to whether HGI membership means you are a member of Irish Council for Psychotherapy?

On the HGI website (UK focused) they say "The HGI’s Professional Register of human givens practitioners is independently accredited in the UK by the Professional Standards Authority for Health and Social Care (PSA) – which also oversees BACP, UKCP, the General Medical Council and many others."

I've seen on the profiles of HG Practitioners in Ireland, the only qualification is HG Dip (Human Givens Diploma) - no mention of Irish Council for Psychotherapy.

I note CORU has not fully taken on this area as yet, below are those that gave submissions about regulation of the area (Peoples Front of Judea plethora...).

I have a little experience of HGI from their books which I found very good, I presume their course will meet the CORU requirements if and when they ever arrive? (any views??). As against that ICAP have links with UK & Australia (mutual recognition) which would be handy as I'd like to do some travel, and there's PCI courses that would suit (weekend) that are IACP approved (Middlesex University).

In terms of cost HGI is about £10k, PCI about €20k (both plus personal sessions plus supervision etc. etc.)

I see PCI run a 3 month Certificate course for €1,155, a pre-req for the degree course, obv only a primer but I probably should do it before launching down this rabbithole !!

Anyone any views on the various organisations?, any seen as 'gold standard' or do they all have their niche?, I see Irish Council for Psychotherapy making the play that only they can offer the European cert.

JuliusCaesar · 12-02-2023 8:03pm

I think there are a fair amount of smaller organisations not represented - and others because they are headquartered in the UK.

Nobody knows yet exactly what CORU will decree as necessary, but I think everyone's betting that the requirements will be similar to the European Association for Counselling (might not have that exact title). So that's the framework that colleges will be looking at for courses.

I think your best bet would be to email the Human Givens Institute and ask.

However, I think this is going to take quite a long time. Don't forget the UK tried to do it and gave up in the end, iirc.

Statutory Regulation of Counselling & Psychotherapy (Mod note in OP)

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