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Cost of Building a House 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    My quotes were similar maybe higher for a smaller project of 148m2. €1900/m2 or €176/ft2.... seems building costs are extremely high at moment. People whom think €100/ft2.... good luck you might just get block work and roof and double glazing for that...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some advice needed please:

    Currently close to pulling everything together for planning application. Trying to make sure we fully know what we're letting ourselves in for in terms of costs.

    We have been dealing with a project manager in terms of design and getting an idea of costs etc. Our initial meeting with him we suggested a budget of 300K and leaving us 50K for fitout e.g. kitchen etc.

    We have designed a 270sqm house, storey and 1/2, which he can build for €105 sq ft.

    We are trying to factor in what other costs we would have. The build is in Co. Kildare so am able to work out the contribution @ circa €15K :eek:

    Does anybody know the cost regarding ESB connection, Water and also typically what you would pay in legal costs for new build?

    Are there any other costs like this we would need to factor in?

    When it comes to furnishing the house what is the best way to try and work out a budget for various items? e.g. kitchen, flooring, wardrobes, units.

    Thanks in advance. There may be more questions :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    Exactly wrote: »

    We have designed a 270sqm house, storey and 1/2, which he can build for €105 sq ft.


    Can I have his details he he can build it for that!!!!! after 5 different contractors I was getting €175/ft2 prices. and its not high end finishes..... but A3 rating finish.





    Nzeb comes into effect end of year. Is he factoring the additional costs for this?


    https://www.seai.ie/sustainable-solutions/nearly-zero-energy-buildi-1/


    re other costs, ESB connection as mentioned, well or mains water connection, driveway... Gates, Biocycle or mains connection foul, flooring, tiling, bathroom/Ensuite ware, light fittings, carpentry, etc....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    ESB - €2,600
    Irish Water - €2,272

    (assuming both are "standard" jobs that don't require work above and beyond, e.g. if you're a long distance away from nearest water connection expect IW to take your pants down).

    Legal fees -€2.5k maybe?

    105 sq/ft sounds very optimistic. Question is, what finish are you getting and what will it take to finish it / furnish it? Does it include any external works (driveway, walls, landscape, garage)? If not...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭dellas1979


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    ESB - €2,600
    Irish Water - €2,272

    (assuming both are "standard" jobs that don't require work above and beyond, e.g. if you're a long distance away from nearest water connection expect IW to take your pants down).

    A 12v ESB connection is about e1950. A 16v is about e2600. If you are having a heat pump, you will need a 16v.

    (am doing a new build at the moment-and cant remember to the exact Euro, but it is within a few Euro).

    Irish water is roughly e2272 if you are within 10 meters of mains water supply. After 10 meters to 15 meters, it is something like e300-400 per meter. Also, to note, a builder/you cannot dig the duct for the pipe (I know!). You have to pay someone qualified. Or get someone out from Irish water to supervise.

    Edit: Water connection charges here: https://www.water.ie/connections/information/connection-charges/

    BTW, it takes 16 weeks to get an approval from Irish water. It will more than likely be a planning condition that you get something to say you have ability to connect you to water. No harm in putting a query in with them now. You can apply online.

    Youll also need a BER report (to assess what rating you could achieve and how).

    An airtightness test (if going with heat pump). Preliminary one is e400 (incl VAT). Oh yea, thats the other thing. Services in building is 23% VAT, materials 13%. So anytime you are quoted anything, ask if it includes VAT. e350 goes to e400+ pretty quickly.

    I bought my sanitarywear (3 toilets - Villeroy and Bosch), 3 seats, 3 showers (Grohe), 3 wall frames (Geberit) wall hung) for e2500 (imported from Germany). Vanity units for all 3 was e1000. I only plan to tile the shower areas and the floor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭have2flushtwice


    Hi, when I got my qs to price my build 12 months ago, it was 1.25 a block. Now I'm looking for a blocklayer and I'm getting a quote for 1.50 per block. And Im told of over 2 euro a block in dublin
    Is this right or is someone having a laugh??


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Dromardabu


    Hi All,
    Anyone know of a good QS who'd do me up a BOQ from drawings ? If so indicative costs if possible ?

    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭bfclancy


    Hi, when I got my qs to price my build 12 months ago, it was 1.25 a block. Now I'm looking for a blocklayer and I'm getting a quote for 1.50 per block. And Im told of over 2 euro a block in dublin
    Is this right or is someone having a laugh??

    sounds about right, was a blockie for years not any more thankfully. at 1.50 a block he will still only make an average weeks pay out of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭little man disorder


    dellas1979 wrote: »
    A 12v ESB connection is about e1950. A 16v is about e2600. If you are having a heat pump, you will need a 16v.
    Thank you
    dellas1979 wrote: »
    Services in building is 23% VAT, materials 13%. So anytime you are quoted anything, ask if it includes VAT. e350 goes to e400+ pretty quickly.
    Good reminder.
    dellas1979 wrote: »
    I bought my sanitarywear (3 toilets - Villeroy and Bosch), 3 seats, 3 showers (Grohe), 3 wall frames (Geberit) wall hung) for e2500 (imported from Germany). Vanity units for all 3 was e1000. I only plan to tile the shower areas and the floor.
    Where if you don't mind telling here or PM please.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭wicklow_hunter


    Self Build in Wexford 2018 /19

    Best Described as a roller coaster ride with lots of lows and highs throughout the process

    2 Years from Conception to Completion

    In Summary :

    Self Build with main Contractor


    3100 Sq Feet -
    (1000 Sq Feet of it was vaulted exposed oak beams)
    Block Construction
    150 Cavity full fill eco Bead
    50mm Slab internally
    Spray Foam Ceilings
    Sash Windows
    Bretton Slabs
    Conc Stairs clad in timber / Steel iron Mongery
    UF heating Gf / FF
    MHRV System
    Tiling / Laminate Flooring Gf , carpet throughout upstairs
    Inframe Kitchen
    70m^2 Stone Externally
    15M^2 Stone Internally
    Air tightness tested

    117 Sq Ft Turn Key Excl Site after alot of blood sweat and tears

    There were nice to haves in the build to the value of 40k for extras Such as - Sash Windows , Exposed Timber , Stone, MHrv. Spray Foam insulation , Intricate roof - These were personnel choices. Taking this into consideration it is plausible to do it for in and around €100 Sq ft !



    Advise for anybody considering a Self Build

    Get a spec Written for your house when sending it out to tender - it is worth its weigh in gold! It should summarize as much as possible the work to be done in Words and materials to be used - I got help from a Qs and architect

    Try and stick to the plan or be prepared to pay the price

    You will need to manage the site - Managing people is not for everyone you will meet all sorts tradesmen on your journey

    Keep a diary of events that take place on site - There will always be extra time and material

    Keep a log of Money going out. Get quotes written down or keep a diary on hand.

    Be prepared to Graft - I spent most Saturdays and evenings for 6 Months tiding up odds and ends that the various trades wouldn't do. Done some DIY such as painting and Minor Site Works .Was re-embursed from the builder on some of it.

    As a final note - If you have a full time job it will put a strain on Family and Work life it will take over your life :o

    Hope this helps others on there journey


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    That's excellent, so it can be done. I was hammered for implying that some prices were off the wall. Best of luck in your new house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    As a final note - If you have a full time job it will put a strain on Family and Work life it will take over your life :o


    This is the key sentence:P if you want to get it done at this price.... but I suppose it can be done.



    Update on my story I have engaged a QS to do a budget price for me and compare a few build options. Eg Timber Frame Vs SIPs Vs traditional block built. I am planning to go with the full builder as I dont have the time and I want to be in as quick as possible. renting for year can cost you 16k+ here in cork. Thats a lot of kitchen for that money.



    I will get back in the next week or two with my estimate

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭flintash


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Update on my story I have engaged a QS to do a budget price for me and compare a few build options.
    can you pm your QS details and how much he's/she's charging. I assume you based in Cork.Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    flintash wrote: »
    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Update on my story I have engaged a QS to do a budget price for me and compare a few build options.
    can you pm your QS details and how much he's/she's charging. I assume you based in Cork.Thanks

    PM sent...I think!

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    I'm wondering if anyone can validate my thoughts on cost of getting a site prepared and applying for planning permission?

    For the following:

    Survey of site
    Proposed dwelling drawings done up by engineer/architect
    Site assessment/effluent treatment report
    Soakage testing + report
    Planning drawings for drainage, elevations, etc...
    And the actual planning permission submission

    I have budgeted around 6000 euros. Is this reasonable?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭brav


    I'm wondering if anyone can validate my thoughts on cost of getting a site prepared and applying for planning permission?
    ...
    I have budgeted around 6000 euros. Is this reasonable?

    I think so yes.
    For our house, design process started last year and planning end of last year with no issues and no changes needed to be made costs were(I imagine if any change needed etc possible more cost, also I rounded up all my prices to cover you a bit):
    Planning stage:
    Architect (Stages 1 and 2)incl planning: €4200
    Percolation Engineer(tests and drawings): €1500
    Digger for percolation €150

    Total: €6000 (rounded up)
    Optional Quantity Surveyor: €800
    To Tender:
    BER: €500
    Structural Engineer: €800
    Architect Design for Tender(stage 3): €4000


  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Update on my story I have engaged a QS to do a budget price for me and compare a few build options. Eg Timber Frame Vs SIPs Vs traditional block built. I am planning to go with the full builder as I dont have the time and I want to be in as quick as possible.


    Also can you pm your QS details and how much he's/she's charging. I assume you based in Cork.Thanks, Im city based.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Also can you pm your QS details and how much he's/she's charging. I assume you based in Cork.Thanks, Im city based.


    PM Sent.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 kyler_87


    Hi all,

    80% through our self build in Cork, 30 mins from city. 1950sqft bungalow,rectangular. 1 main bathroom, 1 ensuite. 450 sqft kitchen and dining area with vaulted ceiling. South facing rear, with fair bit of glazing. Costs below , broken out by fees and build costs. A3 rating minimum.

    Fees
    Planning and Design 2500
    Percolation and Site Suitablity 950
    Cork CC Dues 3500
    Construction Supevision | Engineer 7500
    QS 800
    PSDP 1300
    BER Design & Assessment 1000
    Solicitor | Land Transfter & Mortgage 1800
    Stamp duty 6000
    ESB Connection 2600
    Total 28K

    Basic House
    Builder's payment 209000
    Heating 15200
    Windows 15750
    Fencing 3045
    Water (Incl Steeltech Shed) 10000
    Plumbing (not ware) 4000
    MHVR System 4700

    Total 262K

    Finishes
    Bathroom Ware 4000
    Flooring & Tiles 6000
    Appliances 5820
    Kitchen & Utility 21000
    Painting ??
    Furniture??
    Light fittings??
    Flue/Stoves 5130
    Blinds/Curtains ??
    Site Levelling 4250

    Total Estimated 60K

    Overall:
    28K fees
    262K - shell of house with running water, heat and electricity
    ~322K relatively turn-key build cost + 28K fees = 350K

    Notes:
    Main contractor did groundwork, foundations, blockwork, roof, internal plastering, sewage (biocycle unit and raised bed perc) and electrics, internal carpentry.

    A2W heating system installed. Ashgrove in Kanturk.

    Just said I'd share some real world costs.
    Any questions, just shout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Kyler

    Thanks for the detailed breakdown

    To summarize we are looking at builders finish of €134/Sqr ft

    Turn Key €165/sqr foot

    Everything included from concept to turn Key €180/ sqr ft

    Out curiosity where do you think you could have saved money?

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Kyler

    Thanks for the detailed breakdown

    To summarize we are looking at builders finish of €134/Sqr ft

    Turn Key €165/sqr foot

    Everything included from concept to turn Key €180/ sqr ft

    Out curiosity where do you think you could have saved money?

    His is looking similar to yours at 180 sq. ft.
    I would class this as within the average.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,827 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    Thanks, Is it inclusive of plot size?
    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Kyler

    Thanks for the detailed breakdown

    To summarize we are looking at builders finish of €134/Sqr ft

    Turn Key €165/sqr foot

    Everything included from concept to turn Key €180/ sqr ft

    Out curiosity where do you think you could have saved money?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 kyler_87


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Kyler

    Thanks for the detailed breakdown

    To summarize we are looking at builders finish of €134/Sqr ft

    Turn Key €165/sqr foot

    Everything included from concept to turn Key €180/ sqr ft

    Out curiosity where do you think you could have saved money?

    Possibly doing storey and a half....

    Definitely the vaulted ceiling....Load bearing wall swallowed an amount of blocks and also made roof design more intricate. Just adds cost but it is really nice and we are delighted with it.

    Other than that it was purposefully a very economically designed house, any tradesman/engineer who saw it commented on it. Keep it simple is the motto.

    Oh....and the kitchen, but we will have a quality kitchen which should last a lifetime....hopefully!


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 kyler_87


    Thanks, Is it inclusive of plot size?

    Not sure if directed at me but exclusive of plot


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭moldy_sea


    kyler_87 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    80% through our self build in Cork, 30 mins from city. 1950sqft bungalow,rectangular. 1 main bathroom, 1 ensuite. 450 sqft kitchen and dining area with vaulted ceiling. South facing rear, with fair bit of glazing. Costs below , broken out by fees and build costs. A3 rating minimum.

    Fees
    Planning and Design 2500
    Percolation and Site Suitablity 950
    Cork CC Dues 3500
    Construction Supevision | Engineer 7500
    QS 800
    PSDP 1300
    BER Design & Assessment 1000
    Solicitor | Land Transfter & Mortgage 1800
    Stamp duty 6000
    ESB Connection 2600
    Total 28K

    Basic House
    Builder's payment 209000
    Heating 15200
    Windows 15750
    Fencing 3045
    Water (Incl Steeltech Shed) 10000
    Plumbing (not ware) 4000
    MHVR System 4700

    Total 262K

    Finishes
    Bathroom Ware 4000
    Flooring & Tiles 6000
    Appliances 5820
    Kitchen & Utility 21000
    Painting ??
    Furniture??
    Light fittings??
    Flue/Stoves 5130
    Blinds/Curtains ??
    Site Levelling 4250

    Total Estimated 60K

    Overall:
    28K fees
    262K - shell of house with running water, heat and electricity
    ~322K relatively turn-key build cost + 28K fees = 350K

    Notes:
    Main contractor did groundwork, foundations, blockwork, roof, internal plastering, sewage (biocycle unit and raised bed perc) and electrics, internal carpentry.

    A2W heating system installed. Ashgrove in Kanturk.

    Just said I'd share some real world costs.
    Any questions, just shout.

    Do all those numbers include VAT?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 kyler_87


    moldy_sea wrote: »
    Do all those numbers include VAT?

    Yes, a bit of cash may have changed hands for some of the minor things, nothing mad though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Dromardabu


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    PM sent...I think!

    Hey Eco_Mental
    Could you PM me the details too and the costs for comparison purposes.
    Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭moldy_sea


    Dromardabu wrote: »
    Hey Eco_Mental
    Could you PM me the details too and the costs for comparison purposes.
    Cheers

    Would appreciate same please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Dolbhad


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    This is the key sentence:P if you want to get it done at this price.... but I suppose it can be done.



    Update on my story I have engaged a QS to do a budget price for me and compare a few build options. Eg Timber Frame Vs SIPs Vs traditional block built. I am planning to go with the full builder as I dont have the time and I want to be in as quick as possible. renting for year can cost you 16k+ here in cork. Thats a lot of kitchen for that money.



    I will get back in the next week or two with my estimate

    Can you PM those details to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Dolbhad wrote: »
    Can you PM those details to?


    PM sent...if these lads werent busy two weeks ago they must be by now...:P

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster over the last few weeks, from my last few posts I engaged a QS to do up a budget costs of a number of build options. My preferred build was SIPs and with a company that did a self build package that included cement board cladding, windows and internal plaster board. Well anyway my QS came back with a quote of €212 sqr/ft.....:eek::eek::eek:

    Now a few caveats!!! this was a move in with your luggage finish with flooring, painting, driveway done, electric gates, stove PC sums for fitting out the hot press etc It was very detailed fair play and when I went through it, yeah it all stacked up. Now with the size of my house :o:o this was a significant sum to the stage where the dream was over.

    Anyway he just came back yesterday with the comparison between traditional block built vs "traditional" timber frame also and there was a big difference

    Block Built €160 sqr/ft (inc VAT)
    Timber Frame €186 sqr/ft (inc VAT)


    These prices include in summary
    Fully finished house including
    • Underfloor heating
    • ASHP
    • MHRV
    • Double Glazed UPC windows
    • patio and footpaths driveway and entrance

    Only thing it excludes are professional fees and planning fees and kitchen appliances. Well worth going to the QS because I now have full exposure to all costs associated with building. I can now see where I can save money, do I really need electric gates!! but this was a wish list as I hate seeing houses built and the driveway not done for years.

    So the dream is still alive, going with the auld traditional block built (200mm cavity)

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭moldy_sea


    Thanks for sharing that, very much appreciated


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    Has anyone any experience of building a timber frame house?

    Does it save much in costs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    Has anyone any experience of building a timber frame house?

    Does it save much in costs?
    if you look two posts up. the poster has a cost for brick v timber..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭12 element


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster over the last few weeks, from my last few posts I engaged a QS to do up a budget costs of a number of build options. My preferred build was SIPs and with a company that did a self build package that included cement board cladding, windows and internal plaster board. Well anyway my QS came back with a quote of €212 sqr/ft.....:eek::eek::eek:

    Now a few caveats!!! this was a move in with your luggage finish with flooring, painting, driveway done, electric gates, stove PC sums for fitting out the hot press etc It was very detailed fair play and when I went through it, yeah it all stacked up. Now with the size of my house :o:o this was a significant sum to the stage where the dream was over.

    Anyway he just came back yesterday with the comparison between traditional block built vs "traditional" timber frame also and there was a big difference

    Block Built €160 sqr/ft (inc VAT)
    Timber Frame €186 sqr/ft (inc VAT)


    These prices include in summary
    Fully finished house including
    • Underfloor heating
    • ASHP
    • MHRV
    • Double Glazed UPC windows
    • patio and footpaths driveway and entrance

    Only thing it excludes are professional fees and planning fees and kitchen appliances. Well worth going to the QS because I now have full exposure to all costs associated with building. I can now see where I can save money, do I really need electric gates!! but this was a wish list as I hate seeing houses built and the driveway not done for years.

    So the dream is still alive, going with the auld traditional block built (200mm cavity)

    How did the quality of the two builds compare?
    U values, Air tightness Etc?

    I always see timber frame being touted as a better quality house that can be built faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    12 element wrote: »
    How did the quality of the two builds compare?
    U values, Air tightness Etc?

    I always see timber frame being touted as a better quality house that can be built faster.

    In the budget costs there was about 5 grand for tightness, U -values about the same with the 200mm cavity in the block built. Yes a timber frame can be built faster that is one of the advantages but the cost difference didn't justify it for me.

    I like timber frame but not that much....

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    Has anyone ever investigated the savings in building more than one house?

    i.e. if one 2500 sq.ft. house is costing €200 per sq.ft. how much would building four similar houses cost?

    Could you expect to build the four houses for €150 per sq.ft.?

    Assuming the houses are on adjacent sites and built to the same spec.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 AquaMountain


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster over the last few weeks, from my last few posts I engaged a QS to do up a budget costs of a number of build options. My preferred build was SIPs and with a company that did a self build package that included cement board cladding, windows and internal plaster board. Well anyway my QS came back with a quote of €212 sqr/ft.....:eek::eek::eek:

    Now a few caveats!!! this was a move in with your luggage finish with flooring, painting, driveway done, electric gates, stove PC sums for fitting out the hot press etc It was very detailed fair play and when I went through it, yeah it all stacked up. Now with the size of my house :o:o this was a significant sum to the stage where the dream was over.

    Anyway he just came back yesterday with the comparison between traditional block built vs "traditional" timber frame also and there was a big difference

    Block Built €160 sqr/ft (inc VAT)
    Timber Frame €186 sqr/ft (inc VAT)


    These prices include in summary
    Fully finished house including
    • Underfloor heating
    • ASHP
    • MHRV
    • Double Glazed UPC windows
    • patio and footpaths driveway and entrance

    Only thing it excludes are professional fees and planning fees and kitchen appliances. Well worth going to the QS because I now have full exposure to all costs associated with building. I can now see where I can save money, do I really need electric gates!! but this was a wish list as I hate seeing houses built and the driveway not done for years.

    So the dream is still alive, going with the auld traditional block built (200mm cavity)

    Some great info there and in previous posts by other users throughout this thread. Would you mind PMing me your QS details, costs, etc please? We are in the planning application stage at tge moment so I'd like to get going with drawing up the detailed spec list. Thanks in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    Ok, we're (well I am at least) in a bit of a conundrum with regards building Vs buying. We're looking at buying a house at the moment, but there's a lot of niggly things coming up and its making me a bit nervous.

    I've always wanted to build, and always thought I would, so I've it back in my head to build rather than buy. But I don't know where to begin to start investigating whether we can in fact actually afford to build the type of house we want. From following this thread I think we're just about in the right parish, but I need to find out one way or the other before it drives me around the twist! So, where do we start? Do we go to an architect, or a QS? For a QS, how much information would we need for them? We know what we need from a house, and know the size we would like, but don't have any detailed drawings, although we do have a fair idea of layouts. How much would this type of consultation cost?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    scarepanda wrote: »
    Ok, we're (well I am at least) in a bit of a conundrum with regards building Vs buying. We're looking at buying a house at the moment, but there's a lot of niggly things coming up and its making me a bit nervous.

    I've always wanted to build, and always thought I would, so I've it back in my head to build rather than buy. But I don't know where to begin to start investigating whether we can in fact actually afford to build the type of house we want. From following this thread I think we're just about in the right parish, but I need to find out one way or the other before it drives me around the twist! So, where do we start? Do we go to an architect, or a QS? For a QS, how much information would we need for them? We know what we need from a house, and know the size we would like, but don't have any detailed drawings, although we do have a fair idea of layouts. How much would this type of consultation cost?

    1) First things first is if €170 sqft doesn't scare you off then proceed t step 2

    2) Then you must add the site price....do have this other wise you could be adding another 100-200k if not more depending on location to buy a site. Getting a site that you can build on is another issue as Local Authorities are clamping down on One offs and some areas are designated as green areas etc If you are still not scared off then proceed to stage 3

    3) Think about getting an Architect, if you are going to spend a couple of hundred thousand euros then 4-5 grand to get you house designed is well worth the money. Some people only want 4 walls and a roof but hey...He will put a planning application for you.

    4) Get planing permission (not easy:rolleyes: is most cases) spend €5-20k on planning contributions if you proceed to building

    5) spend another €10-15k on more professional fees to do up detailed drawings and a tender package and go for tender.

    6) Build your house

    In most cases these days you will buy a house a lot cheaper then building a house, but for some people its more than that its building the dream.

    Dont know much about direct labour:confused: you hear on here people building houses for for peanuts but when you delve down into it they have cousins and inlaws doing the wiring they dug out the foundations themselves etc etc, and they spent 2+ years at it....

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭work


    Shocked.
    I bought a shell of a house, never finished, so it has planning, foundations and walls. The roof could do with replacing. It is about 1800 sq ft. I thought 150-200k to complete but got QS at over 300k.
    Given all present this seems whacky! Any ideas how to review this? Should I chat to another architect or engineer?
    Really would appreciate advice as going over 200k is not really viable?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    work wrote: »
    Shocked.
    I bought a shell of a house, never finished, so it has planning, foundations and walls. The roof could do with replacing. It is about 1800 sq ft. I thought 150-200k to complete but got QS at over 300k.
    Given all present this seems whacky! Any ideas how to review this? Should I chat to another architect or engineer?
    Really would appreciate advice as going over 200k is not really viable?
    The QS gave you a figure most likely for a contractor to finish the house, you could go direct labour but you won't save much (maybe 15 per cent)and that's if you can get the individual trades in to finish it which requires you to project manage whole different headache. There is a labour shortage and costs are high due to this. Your QS is not far off the mark. Of course others may post what you want to hear but the supply of trades people drives the price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    €300000 does seem mental, consider managing it yourself. Get prices from all trades and work from there. You will have headaches but will be worth it in the end.


  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭eire1987


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    PM sent...I think!

    Is it possible you could PM that to me as well please.

    Just going to start a timber frame build (2100 sqft) in cork just wondering am I on the right track


  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭eire1987


    kyler_87 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    80% through our self build in Cork, 30 mins from city. 1950sqft bungalow,rectangular. 1 main bathroom, 1 ensuite. 450 sqft kitchen and dining area with vaulted ceiling. South facing rear, with fair bit of glazing. Costs below , broken out by fees and build costs. A3 rating minimum.

    Fees
    Planning and Design 2500
    Percolation and Site Suitablity 950
    Cork CC Dues 3500
    Construction Supevision | Engineer 7500
    QS 800
    PSDP 1300
    BER Design & Assessment 1000
    Solicitor | Land Transfter & Mortgage 1800
    Stamp duty 6000
    ESB Connection 2600
    Total 28K

    Basic House
    Builder's payment 209000
    Heating 15200
    Windows 15750
    Fencing 3045
    Water (Incl Steeltech Shed) 10000
    Plumbing (not ware) 4000
    MHVR System 4700

    Total 262K

    Finishes
    Bathroom Ware 4000
    Flooring & Tiles 6000
    Appliances 5820
    Kitchen & Utility 21000
    Painting ??
    Furniture??
    Light fittings??
    Flue/Stoves 5130
    Blinds/Curtains ??
    Site Levelling 4250

    Total Estimated 60K

    Overall:
    28K fees
    262K - shell of house with running water, heat and electricity
    ~322K relatively turn-key build cost + 28K fees = 350K

    Notes:
    Main contractor did groundwork, foundations, blockwork, roof, internal plastering, sewage (biocycle unit and raised bed perc) and electrics, internal carpentry.

    A2W heating system installed. Ashgrove in Kanturk.

    Just said I'd share some real world costs.
    Any questions, just shout.

    Do you mind if I ask how good are ashgrove??? We are planning to go with them.... Starting a timber frame house (2100sq ft) in Cork. No Brick!! At €130 sq ft (Groundwork Houseframe kitchen flooring Inc)


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    eire1987 wrote: »
    Do you mind if I ask how good are ashgrove??? We are planning to go with them.... Starting a timber frame house (2100sq ft) in Cork. No Brick!! At €130 sq ft (Groundwork Houseframe kitchen flooring Inc)

    Lads take it to PM thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭eire1987


    BryanF wrote: »
    Lads take it to PM thanks

    Will do sorry


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Abbey127


    eire1987 wrote: »
    Do you mind if I ask how good are ashgrove??? We are planning to go with them.... Starting a timber frame house (2100sq ft) in Cork. No Brick!! At €130 sq ft (Groundwork Houseframe kitchen flooring Inc)

    Would doing the foundation yourself save a good bit as my father would be doing this and will be building on his land , he built a house on it a few years ago so planning wont be a problem,


  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    Abbey127 wrote: »
    Would doing the foundation yourself save a good bit as my father would be doing this and will be building on his land , he built a house on it a few years ago so planning wont be a problem,

    Will your bank and engineer sign off on this? Building regs now verses then is a different animal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Aware my question is very general but looking for ball park figure of price per sqm to build in Cork. Looking to either build or buy in the next 18 months. Parents+Family advising me to build but don't know if its worth it, seeing some of the figures thrown around here.

    Have a read of the thread.
    But 170 or so a square foot seems the latest figures


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