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€100 Household Charge. Who Pays - Landlord or Tenant?

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  • 07-12-2011 12:52pm
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    potsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭


    Well my question is in the title.

    I own my own house and also rent out an apartment.

    Does this mean that I have to pay €200 or is it suitable that this charge is passed onto the tenant?

    Thanks
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    D3PO
    Registered Users Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    its your charge as far as Im concerned.

    Apartment service charges are not paid by tennants and Im sure your not charging your tennant the €200 NPPR charge so why would you think this is any different a situation ?


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    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    the landlord pays it, although I think it is inevitable that some landlords will try pass it on to the tenants via rent increases


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    potsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭potsy11


    D3PO wrote: »
    its your charge as far as Im concerned.

    Apartment service charges are not paid by tenants and Im sure your not charging your tennant the €200 NPPR charge so why would you think this is any different a situation ?


    Well, its a household charge. I dont live in the household and i gather its aim is an indirect Tax at people who live in houses....Agree on NPPR, BER, Service charges etc....

    When is say houses I mean properties....


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    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,321 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Landlord has to pay it. Many will try to incorporate it in their rent, however will be able to do so under current leases.


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    Newaglish
    Registered Users Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    The legislation places the onus on the owner of the property to pay the household charge, so my landlord will be paying it. If he wants to pass it on to me, he's in for a fun conversation.


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    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Landlord pays

    Well you can inform the tenant you're increasing their rent to cover it but prepare to get laughed at and then have to deal with vacant periods and finding new tenants
    If you have a good tenant OP, keep them


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    stargazer 68
    Registered Users Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Newaglish wrote: »
    The legislation places the onus on the owner of the property to pay the household charge, so my landlord will be paying it. If he wants to pass it on to me, he's in for a fun conversation.

    Mine wouldnt dare! :D


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    potsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭potsy11


    I gather nobody here is a Landlord then!! :D


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    chatchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭chatchick


    Its the home owners responsibility!!

    I had previous landlords that up the rent to foot THEY'RE bills. And guess what.... i moved to a house. with a responsible landlord!


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    cailinoBAC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭cailinoBAC


    I would have thought it would be like TV Licence - occupier pays?


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    RATM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    cailinoBAC wrote: »
    I would have thought it would be like TV Licence - occupier pays?

    The tax is a tax on home ownership, not a tax on renting someone else's home ownership.

    It is a cost on the landlord, just like PRTB fees.


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    Estebano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭Estebano


    Check your leases folks. My friend has a clause where he's liable for any property taxes.


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    Newaglish
    Registered Users Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    Estebano wrote: »
    Check your leases folks. My friend has a clause where he's liable for any property taxes.

    That's crazy! More fool him, I say.


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    andre2010
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 237 ✭✭andre2010


    Well that lease is legally invalid. The home owner is legally responsible for all taxes on the property. The client could refuse point blank to pay it and there is absolutely nothing the landlord could do about it. Does anyone honestly think a landlord would evict a tenant and risk an unoccupied apartment, even for a month, for the sake of 100 euro.

    id imagine some landlords will chance their arm with this one, but good luck to them. although i do agree that the TV licence should be paid by the tenant, the landlord is renting them a property, not a TV, if you choose to have a tv then you should pay it.

    i know some really cheap tenants who wont pay the tv licence as a TV was in the apartment when they moved in, even though they use it daily and pay for sky etc


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    cardol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭cardol


    Has anyone heard that they are going to add the Household Charge to the ESB bills to ensure people pay?

    Although, that would mean those not with ESB aren't charged?

    Anyway, I'm a home owner, worked all my life to pay off my mortgage and will be damned before I pay the Govt just to live here! :mad:

    For those who asked who is supposed to pay, here's a link: http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-property-tax-more-details.html


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    Ste.phen
    Registered Users Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Ste.phen


    andre2010 wrote: »
    Well that lease is legally invalid. The home owner is legally responsible for all taxes on the property. The client could refuse point blank to pay it and there is absolutely nothing the landlord could do about it. Does anyone honestly think a landlord would evict a tenant and risk an unoccupied apartment, even for a month, for the sake of 100 euro.

    Why would that be invalid? Just because the landlord is the one that (legally) needs to pay it, doesn't mean they're not entitled to include a provision in the lease that the tenant needs to pay - it's just the case that if the tenant DOESN'T, it's still the landlord that's ultimately responsible


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    eimearnid
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭eimearnid


    My opinion is that it's going to to get messy. This is supposed to be a precursor to a much larger tax that is based on water charges etc basically service charges. I can't see any landlord paying charges of water usage etc for a tenant who will be the only one consuming these services.
    The €100 is get everyone registered, then watch the increase come.....


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    zac8
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭zac8


    eimearnid wrote: »
    My opinion is that it's going to to get messy. This is supposed to be a precursor to a much larger tax that is based on water charges etc basically service charges. I can't see any landlord paying charges of water usage etc for a tenant who will be the only one consuming these services.
    The €100 is get everyone registered, then watch the increase come.....

    I'd say it will end up like the French system. Each property has two taxes - one for the owner and one for the occupier. If you live in your own house you pay both taxes.


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    Mezcita
    Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    andre2010 wrote: »
    although i do agree that the TV licence should be paid by the tenant, the landlord is renting them a property, not a TV, if you choose to have a tv then you should pay it.

    i know some really cheap tenants who wont pay the tv licence as a TV was in the apartment when they moved in, even though they use it daily and pay for sky etc

    TV licence is a different matter. Always payable by tenants regardless of who owns the TV.

    "Rented accommodation
    If you are a tenant living in rented accommodation with a television you must have a television licence. This applies irrespective of who owns the television (whether the television belongs to you or the landlord). The law states that anyone resident on a premises in possession of a television set must have a television licence."

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html


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    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Newaglish wrote: »
    The legislation places the onus on the owner of the property to pay the household charge, so my landlord will be paying it. If he wants to pass it on to me, he's in for a fun conversation.

    My thoughts exactly! lol!;)


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    OS119
    Registered Users Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭OS119


    Mezcita wrote: »
    TV licence is a different matter. Always payable by tenants regardless of who owns the TV.

    its far easier for the LL to pay it, and incorporate the cost of a TV licence - like the cost of the mortgage, the cost of maintainence, the Household charge etc.. - into the rent. that way there's no concern for the LL that the licences/charges haven't been paid, and it means there's no squabbling over a tenant sating 'i was only been in the property 6 months, yet i'm paying the 12 months charge'.

    keep it simple, keep it transparant.


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