€100 Household Charge. Who Pays - Landlord or Tenant?

potsy11 · 07-12-2011 12:52PM #1

Well my question is in the title.

I own my own house and also rent out an apartment.

Does this mean that I have to pay €200 or is it suitable that this charge is passed onto the tenant?

Thanks

D3PO · 07-12-2011 12:56PM

its your charge as far as Im concerned.

Apartment service charges are not paid by tennants and Im sure your not charging your tennant the €200 NPPR charge so why would you think this is any different a situation ?

the groutch · 07-12-2011 01:00PM

the landlord pays it, although I think it is inevitable that some landlords will try pass it on to the tenants via rent increases

potsy11 · 07-12-2011 01:11PM

D3PO wrote: »

its your charge as far as Im concerned.

Apartment service charges are not paid by tenants and Im sure your not charging your tennant the €200 NPPR charge so why would you think this is any different a situation ?

Well, its a household charge. I dont live in the household and i gather its aim is an indirect Tax at people who live in houses....Agree on NPPR, BER, Service charges etc....

When is say houses I mean properties....

super_furry · 07-12-2011 01:13PM

Landlord has to pay it. Many will try to incorporate it in their rent, however will be able to do so under current leases.

Newaglish · 07-12-2011 01:13PM

The legislation places the onus on the owner of the property to pay the household charge, so my landlord will be paying it. If he wants to pass it on to me, he's in for a fun conversation.

mikemac1 · 07-12-2011 01:13PM

Landlord pays

Well you can inform the tenant you're increasing their rent to cover it but prepare to get laughed at and then have to deal with vacant periods and finding new tenants
If you have a good tenant OP, keep them

stargazer 68 · 07-12-2011 01:15PM

Newaglish wrote: »

The legislation places the onus on the owner of the property to pay the household charge, so my landlord will be paying it. If he wants to pass it on to me, he's in for a fun conversation.

Mine wouldnt dare!

potsy11 · 07-12-2011 01:47PM

I gather nobody here is a Landlord then!!

chatchick · 07-12-2011 01:52PM

Its the home owners responsibility!!

I had previous landlords that up the rent to foot THEY'RE bills. And guess what.... i moved to a house. with a responsible landlord!

cailinoBAC · 07-12-2011 02:30PM

I would have thought it would be like TV Licence - occupier pays?

RATM · 07-12-2011 02:41PM

cailinoBAC wrote: »

I would have thought it would be like TV Licence - occupier pays?

The tax is a tax on home ownership, not a tax on renting someone else's home ownership.

It is a cost on the landlord, just like PRTB fees.

Estebano · 07-12-2011 02:49PM

Check your leases folks. My friend has a clause where he's liable for any property taxes.

Newaglish · 07-12-2011 02:55PM

Estebano wrote: »

Check your leases folks. My friend has a clause where he's liable for any property taxes.

That's crazy! More fool him, I say.

andre2010 · 07-12-2011 02:58PM

Well that lease is legally invalid. The home owner is legally responsible for all taxes on the property. The client could refuse point blank to pay it and there is absolutely nothing the landlord could do about it. Does anyone honestly think a landlord would evict a tenant and risk an unoccupied apartment, even for a month, for the sake of 100 euro.

id imagine some landlords will chance their arm with this one, but good luck to them. although i do agree that the TV licence should be paid by the tenant, the landlord is renting them a property, not a TV, if you choose to have a tv then you should pay it.

i know some really cheap tenants who wont pay the tv licence as a TV was in the apartment when they moved in, even though they use it daily and pay for sky etc

cardol · 08-12-2011 03:33AM

Has anyone heard that they are going to add the Household Charge to the ESB bills to ensure people pay?

Although, that would mean those not with ESB aren't charged?

Anyway, I'm a home owner, worked all my life to pay off my mortgage and will be damned before I pay the Govt just to live here! :mad:

For those who asked who is supposed to pay, here's a link: http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-property-tax-more-details.html

Ste.phen · 08-12-2011 01:58PM

andre2010 wrote: »

Well that lease is legally invalid. The home owner is legally responsible for all taxes on the property. The client could refuse point blank to pay it and there is absolutely nothing the landlord could do about it. Does anyone honestly think a landlord would evict a tenant and risk an unoccupied apartment, even for a month, for the sake of 100 euro.

Why would that be invalid? Just because the landlord is the one that (legally) needs to pay it, doesn't mean they're not entitled to include a provision in the lease that the tenant needs to pay - it's just the case that if the tenant DOESN'T, it's still the landlord that's ultimately responsible

eimearnid · 13-12-2011 05:52PM

My opinion is that it's going to to get messy. This is supposed to be a precursor to a much larger tax that is based on water charges etc basically service charges. I can't see any landlord paying charges of water usage etc for a tenant who will be the only one consuming these services.
The €100 is get everyone registered, then watch the increase come.....

zac8 · 13-12-2011 06:11PM

eimearnid wrote: »

My opinion is that it's going to to get messy. This is supposed to be a precursor to a much larger tax that is based on water charges etc basically service charges. I can't see any landlord paying charges of water usage etc for a tenant who will be the only one consuming these services.
The €100 is get everyone registered, then watch the increase come.....

I'd say it will end up like the French system. Each property has two taxes - one for the owner and one for the occupier. If you live in your own house you pay both taxes.

Mezcita · 13-12-2011 06:20PM

andre2010 wrote: »

although i do agree that the TV licence should be paid by the tenant, the landlord is renting them a property, not a TV, if you choose to have a tv then you should pay it.

i know some really cheap tenants who wont pay the tv licence as a TV was in the apartment when they moved in, even though they use it daily and pay for sky etc

TV licence is a different matter. Always payable by tenants regardless of who owns the TV.

"Rented accommodation
If you are a tenant living in rented accommodation with a television you must have a television licence. This applies irrespective of who owns the television (whether the television belongs to you or the landlord). The law states that anyone resident on a premises in possession of a television set must have a television licence."

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

Graces7 · 14-12-2011 09:15AM

Newaglish wrote: »

The legislation places the onus on the owner of the property to pay the household charge, so my landlord will be paying it. If he wants to pass it on to me, he's in for a fun conversation.

My thoughts exactly! lol!;)

OS119 · 14-12-2011 12:01PM

Mezcita wrote: »

TV licence is a different matter. Always payable by tenants regardless of who owns the TV.

its far easier for the LL to pay it, and incorporate the cost of a TV licence - like the cost of the mortgage, the cost of maintainence, the Household charge etc.. - into the rent. that way there's no concern for the LL that the licences/charges haven't been paid, and it means there's no squabbling over a tenant sating 'i was only been in the property 6 months, yet i'm paying the 12 months charge'.

keep it simple, keep it transparant.

€100 Household Charge. Who Pays - Landlord or Tenant?

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