F1 2020: Round 12 : Portugal Grand Prix

Joeface · 22-10-2020 1:08pm #1

Correcting my errors from previous Threads
Schedule is

SESSION
1st Free practice Fri 23 Oct 11:00 - 12:30
2nd Free practice Fri 23 Oct 15:00 - 16:30
3rd Free practice Sat 24 Oct 11:00 - 12:00
1st Qualifying Sat 24 Oct 14:00 - 14:18
2nd Qualifying Sat 24 Oct 14:25 - 14:40
3rd Qualifying Sat 24 Oct 14:48 - 15:00
Race Sun 25 Oct 13:10 - 15:10

Circuit Length: 4.653km
Number of Laps : 66

an unknown track to most i believe . Could be a good weekend again .

Ferrari Bringing more updates again . Maybe this will bring Charles to P4-P5 and Vettel in to Q3 and the Points ( harsh I know )

Joeface · 23-10-2020 12:25pm

Just watching FP1 , this looks like it could be a tough enough Race . lots of drivers getting caught out with spins . I like this weekends track limits and plenty of gravel for punishment .

POS DRIVER TEAM GAP
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team 1m18.410s
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team 0.339s
3 Max Verstappen Aston Martin Red Bull Racing 0.781s
4 Charles Leclerc Scuderia Ferrari 0.899s
5 Alexander Albon Aston Martin Red Bull Racing 0.955s
6 Carlos Sainz Jr. McLaren F1 Team 1.031s
7 Sergio Perez BWT Racing Point F1 Team 1.497s
8 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN 1.544s
9 Daniel Ricciardo Renault DP World F1 Team 1.648s
10 Pierre Gasly Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda 1.714s
11 Sebastian Vettel Scuderia Ferrari 1.790s
12 Lando Norris McLaren F1 Team 1.797s
13 Daniil Kvyat Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda 1.868s
14 Kevin Magnussen Haas F1 Team 2.436s
15 Lance Stroll BWT Racing Point F1 Team 2.544s
16 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN 2.599s
17 Romain Grosjean Haas F1 Team 2.759s
18 George Russell Williams Racing 2.964s
19 Esteban Ocon Renault DP World F1 Team 3.263s
20 Nicholas Latifi Williams Racing 3.644s

Top Dog · 23-10-2020 2:35pm

65 laps deleted in FP1 is pretty bad.

Charlie-Bravo · 23-10-2020 2:49pm

Lots of talk in FP1 about graining on the front left tyre due to the long right-handers. Should be bad enough to force a two stop race. Sky commentators also saying that DRS needs to work rather than having people driving slowly to make a one-stop race work, and cars behind not being able to overtake.

AMKC · 23-10-2020 3:35pm

Looks like a fun track. Hopefully we get another great race here with some surprises thrown in.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-10-2020 3:40pm

did anything interesting happen in the tire test at the start of FP2?

Joeface · 23-10-2020 3:48pm

Na just lots of running . Not sure the drivers like them .

Gasly's car just went up in smoke .. Big fire . Marshals had to cover a lot of ground to get to it .

johnnysmack · 23-10-2020 4:06pm

Verstappen is some clown.

Harika · 23-10-2020 4:07pm

Stroll sleeping or verstappen torpedoes?

Charlie-Bravo · 23-10-2020 4:08pm

More Max than Lance in that one. Silly for it to happen anyway.

Joeface · 23-10-2020 4:11pm

Max looked like he was going to pass and then just sat in like a blind spot he didn't really move .

ELM327 · 23-10-2020 4:11pm

$troll at it again.

ELM327 · 23-10-2020 4:12pm

Joeface wrote: »

Max looked like he was going to pass and then just sat in like a blind spot he didn't really move .

They were saying he was on the limiter and the battery boost had ended

H3llR4iser · 23-10-2020 4:13pm

Bit of a brain fart from Verstappen there - as soon as I saw he was sitting there without gaining, it was 100% clear it was gonna end in an accident. He basically sat perfectly in Stroll's blind spot.

ELM327 · 23-10-2020 4:15pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Bit of a brain fart from Verstappen there - as soon as I saw he was sitting there without gaining, it was 100% clear it was gonna end in an accident. He basically sat perfectly in Stroll's blind spot.

He let lance past one corner ago. Lance knew he was there.

skipper_G · 23-10-2020 4:18pm

Both equally to blame, Max should have backed out but Stroll still turns in with another car alongside

H3llR4iser · 23-10-2020 4:22pm

ELM327 wrote: »

He let lance past one corner ago. Lance knew he was there.

Exactly because of that, he didn't - if a driver lets you by like that, mostly it's because he's pitting. That episode is what probably threw Stroll off in the first place - there is an argument there for his engineer failing to tell him Verstappen didn't pit.

Also, it's free practice - let's say he saw Max gaining in the mirror, then the next time he looks in the mirror, he's gone. If it's the race, you go "****, he's somewhere alongside!". In practice, the obvious assumption is that he has lifted off.

Sky lads, especially Di Resta, are being ridiculous going on about "if it was the race" - it's the whole point, it's not the race. From where Max was, it was clear an accident was coming, and he was the one who could have easily lifted off to avoid it.

ELM327 · 23-10-2020 4:29pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Exactly because of that, he didn't - if a driver lets you by like that, mostly it's because he's pitting. That episode is what probably threw Stroll off in the first place - there is an argument there for his engineer failing to tell him Verstappen didn't pit.

Also, it's free practice - let's say he saw Max gaining in the mirror, then the next time he looks in the mirror, he's gone. If it's the race, you go "****, he's somewhere alongside!". In practice, the obvious assumption is that he has lifted off.

Sky lads, especially Di Resta, are being ridiculous going on about "if it was the race" - it's the whole point, it's not the race. From where Max was, it was clear an accident was coming, and he was the one who could have easily lifted off to avoid it.

Eh, this is in FP2, they do cool down and push laps. It's pretty common to let people by, same as in qualifying.

This is it · 23-10-2020 4:48pm

Max at fault for me, though not 100%. Surprising Stroll didn't see him in the mirror or along side him but Max was already going to lose time going around the corner entering from that angle, why not back out. And surely he knew Stroll was on another flying lap if he was flat out down the straight and still couldn't pass Stroll.

Joeface · 23-10-2020 5:38pm

At least its something to entertain us .

Ferrari seem much improved this weekend
Even Vettel topped the time sheet for a spell

POS DRIVER CAR GAP
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1m17.940s
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Honda 0.595s
3 Lando Norris McLaren/Renault 0.803s
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 0.898s
5 Carlos Sainz Jr. McLaren/Renault 1.173s
6 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1.235s
7 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri/Honda 1.238s
8 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1.368s
9 Esteban Ocon Renault 1.556s
10 Alexander Albon Red Bull/Honda 1.703s
11 George Russell Williams/Mercedes 1.881s
12 Sergio Perez Racing Point/Mercedes 1.961s
13 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 2.047s
14 Nicholas Latifi Williams/Mercedes 2.525s
15 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 2.550s
16 Kevin Magnussen Haas/Ferrari 2.740s
17 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri/Honda 2.789s
18 Romain Grosjean Haas/Ferrari 2.927s
19 Lance Stroll Racing Point/Mercedes 3.043s
20 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 3.456s

skipper_G · 23-10-2020 5:57pm

No further action, neither of them predominantly to blame. Makes sense

Cool_CM · 24-10-2020 11:57am

Haha, LeClerc reporting that he can hear Mercedes engineers over the radio. Maybe he should have said nothing and just listened instead of complaining about it :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 24-10-2020 12:19pm

Cool_CM wrote: »

Haha, LeClerc reporting that he can hear Mercedes engineers over the radio. Maybe he should have said nothing and just listened instead of complaining about it :pac:

Ha! I heard Renault on the radio at the start of fp1, asking Ric to stay talking through certain corners as they didn’t know of the radio signal would carry. Might be related.

skipper_G · 24-10-2020 1:04pm

Bottas fastest in all 3 practice sessions, anyone think he's got a chance or will he bottle it?

Burkie1203 · 24-10-2020 1:50pm

Quali delayed by 30 min.
All drains need to be inspected.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 24-10-2020 2:05pm

Typical, clashes with the spa 24 start now. Will check in for the final few mins in Q3.

Burkie1203 · 24-10-2020 2:14pm

Quali in doubt today, 10km of track side to check drains

jammiedodgers · 24-10-2020 2:26pm

Drivers getting into their cars, hopefully it can go ahead

ctrl-alt-delete · 24-10-2020 2:27pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Quali in doubt today, 10km of track side to check drains

Looks like it is going ahead now.

Sky have been showing some of the old footage of drain covers in recent history - scary.

Big job tonight I suppose to do the rest of the track where the covers are not so close to being part of the track.

afatbollix · 24-10-2020 2:50pm

Q1 is almost better than the fight for P1 to see if Russell will get out of Q1....

Cool_CM · 24-10-2020 2:53pm

Well done George Russell!

There's something inherently wrong about finding yourself getting excited that Seb briefly managed to get up to P7 in Q1...

PsychoPete · 24-10-2020 3:12pm

Gasly looking good this weekend

skipper_G · 24-10-2020 3:15pm

Listening to Otmar talking to Sky, desperately trying to gloss over the fact that Stroll is half a second behind Perez again. Stroll is not a terrible racer, but he can't qualify for ****. Perez nice and clean through both sessions, saved a set of tyres from Q1 so he's got 2 runs now in Q3 and meanwhile Stroll is out.

Next season won't be any better with Vettel, he's just been out qualified by a Williams.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-10-2020 3:31pm

Cool_CM wrote: »

Well done George Russell!

There's something inherently wrong about finding yourself getting excited that Seb briefly managed to get up to P7 in Q1...

Yeah but p15 of 15 in q2.

Interestingly both Ferraris tried to do q2 on medium tyres. Leclerc got to 8th and into q3. Seb was last and 6tenths off leclerc.

PsychoPete · 24-10-2020 3:31pm

That's just typical

namloc1980 · 24-10-2020 3:32pm

Surprise surprise.

This is it · 24-10-2020 3:32pm

LeClerc awesome again

kopite386 · 24-10-2020 3:38pm

It was great to see Charles make it into Q3 on the mediums and only 1/3 drivers who did it, would make for an interesting rave if Ferrari's strategists didn't consistently make **** decisions.

I was thinking in Q2 that Alex Albon should have been ahead of Charles considering he's in a red bull on soft tyres and then to only qualify P6 tomorrow is not very good for him at all.

skipper_G · 24-10-2020 3:39pm

Bottas quickest in every session except the one that counts. Sums him up perfectly

Car99 · 24-10-2020 4:30pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Bottas quickest in every session except the one that counts. Sums him up perfectly

And proves yet again that Hamilton is s class above the others when it matters.

T-Maxx · 24-10-2020 5:32pm

Car99 wrote: »

And proves yet again that Hamilton is s class above the others when it matters.

It only proves that he's better than Bottas though.

skipper_G · 24-10-2020 6:33pm

Some reports that Vitaly Petrov's father has been assassinated in Russia. He's serving as a steward this weekend

AMKC · 24-10-2020 6:41pm

Well that was a boring crap qualifying session. Such a disappointment. I think Hamilton has this race in the bag. I would say this is the kind of race where you want to start at the front if you want to win it. Can't see many places to pass on this track so it will probably be a very dull race but could surprise us.

Inquitus · 24-10-2020 7:09pm

AMKC wrote: »

Well that was a boring crap qualifying session. Such a disappointment. I think Hamilton has this race in the bag. I would say this is the kind of race where you want to start at the front if you want to win it. Can't see many places to pass on this track so it will probably be a very dull race but could surprise us.

The DRS zone is the entire length of the long straight, so overtaking shouldn't be that hard.

donspeekinglesh · 24-10-2020 9:28pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Some reports that Vitaly Petrov's father has been assassinated in Russia. He's serving as a steward this weekend

He's stood down and is returning home.

AMKC · 24-10-2020 10:11pm

Just looking at Lewis Hamiltons pole lap there and he goes off the track and over the white line with all four tyres at least 3 times but is not punished for going beyond track limits. Why? I think Bottas should be on pole not Hamilton sure he would prob still win anyway.

This is it · 24-10-2020 10:17pm

AMKC wrote: »

Just looking at Lewis Hamiltons pole lap there and he goes off the track and over the white line with all four tyres at least 3 times but is not punished for going beyond track limits. Why? I think Bottas should be on pole not Hamilton sure he would prob still win anyway.

Track limits were reviewed apparently

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153010/portimao-track-limits-revised-after-125-laps-deleted

AMKC · 24-10-2020 11:00pm

This is it wrote: »

Track limits were reviewed apparently

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153010/portimao-track-limits-revised-after-125-laps-deleted

Turn 15 is the last corner am I right? If so I am sure Hamilton went off there too. Maybe it was not the whole car do.

25-10-2020 6:57am

Track should be much faster by the end of the race. Most drivers left time out there, plenty of flicking of the steering wheels through corners. A side-by-side onboard of Hamilton and Bottas showed each of them dropping a tenth here and there in different places. Could argue it's just set-up but mostly it looked like little mistakes and corrections.

PsychoPete · 25-10-2020 9:08am

Going on what the drivers were saying about the track been slippy I'm expecting a few DNFs and cars spinning out

BrentMused · 25-10-2020 12:15pm

Is today the day we finally get rain during the race and not an hour afterwards?

F1 2020: Round 12 : Portugal Grand Prix

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