Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

AndrewJRenko · 13-06-2021 5:59pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Also no, wheelchairs are significantly narrower than double buggies .

Not true for many power wheelchairs. Maybe their users should also have chosen something different?

smackyB · 13-06-2021 8:36pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Sorry, I used the wrong quote. I was meant to use the quote pertaining to the Squareabout which is part of route 703. In any case, I think the loss of road space and the resultant limitations on the size of vehicle capable of using roads due to junction tightening is a downgrade especially, on arterial routes which is precisely what Castlepark, Hyde and Breffni Roads are. There are many other better ways these junctions could have been made safer without crippling accessibility. A road less capable is a downgrade.

I don't mind these measures on side roads and cul de sacs as they only serve the residents living there.

The road has not been downgraded - it has been upgraded to facilitate the movement of vulnerable road users, which I'd wager is a much larger cohort than the occasional HGV.

I regularly walk across the junction of hyde/castle park and the change is hugely positive. The width needing to be crossed has been much reduced and traffic which previously took the corner at great speed has now had manners put on it by the increased junction angle. More of this please DLRCC.

patrickbrophy18 · 13-06-2021 10:41pm

smackyB wrote: »

The road has not been downgraded - it has been upgraded to facilitate the movement of vulnerable road users, which I'd wager is a much larger cohort than the occasional HGV.

I regularly walk across the junction of hyde/castle park and the change is hugely positive. The width needing to be crossed has been much reduced and traffic which previously took the corner at great speed has now had manners put on it by the increased junction angle. More of this please DCC.

While I acknowledge that the width of the junction before was excessive, I do think the tightening of it to near 90° is going from "one extreme to the other" as "Aegir" rightly pointed out several pages back. A good few years ago, there were plans for a roundabout at this junction and Hyde Road which I would argue is a much better solution as it doesn't result in awkward turning angles.

I also realize that there is a school in the area which results in many kids traversing these roads on foot. Then there is Our Ladys Manor in the vicinity which results in the elderly crossing these roads by foot as well. However, this default response of making these turns 90° is incredibly short sighted due to the inherent accissibility issues it causes. There are other solutions to this which don't result in a de facto hard limit on vehicle sizes using these roads.

You do realize that buses are a part of the solution in taking cars off the road which in my opinion hasn't been explored or tested in Dalkey as much as it could. As a prospective bus route aligment, a more future proof solution should've been chosen for Castlepark Road. In a twist of irony, 90° turns will only make Dalkey accessible by car, bike or on foot. Anyway, I have said what I will on the matter.

Zaney · 14-06-2021 11:46am

Mav11 wrote: »

I hope that the black tarmac surface on the new Myrtle Sq. is only temporary? Doesn't look a bit like this, not in the least attractive.

No sign of the acrobats either:)

It’ll never look like that because the dimensions are wrong. They haven’t left room for the two way access and taxi rank.

Also they’ve neglected to show the row of portaloos.

But the sandy coloured surface will likely go in. Not sure about the ugly bollards.

https://dlrcoco.citizenspace.com/finance/summer-streets-d-n-laoghaire/supporting_documents/Summer%20Streets_Dun%20Laighoire_Proposed%20Myrtle%20Square%20Layout.pdf

crushproof · 14-06-2021 12:10pm

Hopefully Dunphys take advantage and set up tables and umbrellas on some of the new space. DLRCC should get in some food vans at weekends to drum up business and get the word out about the new square.

Tarmac is fine in the interim for the summer so it's not closed off during the best days of the year. Proper landscaping can take place in the winter!

ted1 · 14-06-2021 12:34pm

crushproof wrote: »

Hopefully Dunphys take advantage and set up tables and umbrellas on some of the new space. DLRCC should get in some food vans at weekends to drum up business and get the word out about the new square.

Tarmac is fine in the interim for the summer so it's not closed off during the best days of the year. Proper landscaping can take place in the winter!

Tarmac is used as a base, before they put in the top layer of surface dressing.

Chinasea · 15-06-2021 12:44pm

Hopefully there will be an end to cars practically driving up the middle isle of Bloomfields Tescos and or bellowing out their toxic fumes wile they keep their engines running as they illegally park in/on/beside the yellow grid at the main entrance. Guarantee there will always be at least one outside anytime. Never taken to task. Pure selfish idleness.

Rezident · 18-06-2021 2:46pm

Anywhere in DL have a screen for watching the football outdoors?

0ph0rce0 · 18-06-2021 2:50pm

fixXxer wrote: »

Might have to go see if they still do their wonderful chicken wing pizza.

Not the same i'm afraid.

qb123 · 18-06-2021 5:15pm

Rezident wrote: »

Anywhere in DL have a screen for watching the football outdoors?

Lighthouse.

Gareth Keenan · 20-06-2021 12:46pm

Rezident wrote: »

Anywhere in DL have a screen for watching the football outdoors?

O'Loughlin's have a great setup

Mav11 · 20-06-2021 3:12pm

Rezident wrote: »

Anywhere in DL have a screen for watching the football outdoors?

Just went past the Step Inn, looked to me to be a great outdoor setup. A huge screen. I was nearly tempted in for a pint and watch the Grand Prix.

I'm sure that there are a few on this thread that would clutch at their pearls and tut tut, at the very idea.

Larbre34 · 20-06-2021 4:57pm

Why? Its outdoors, weather is beautiful, vaccinations are rocketing, the beer is fresh, have at it!

Garlinge · 20-06-2021 5:05pm

Union Cafe/ Keilys in Mt Merrion

Mav11 · 20-06-2021 5:58pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Why? Its outdoors, weather is beautiful, vaccinations are rocketing, the beer is fresh, have at it!

I know, exactly my sentiments as well, but not everybody's I'm afraid!

josip · 22-06-2021 1:17pm

Does anyone remember the name of the caravan site that was between Ballybrack and Shankill back in the 80s?
Was it where Castle Court is now? At the roundabout?

duploelabs · 22-06-2021 2:19pm

josip wrote: »

Does anyone remember the name of the caravan site that was between Ballybrack and Shankill back in the 80s?
Was it where Castle Court is now? At the roundabout?

There is a halting site there currently, just beyond on the shankill side of the roundabout at cromlech fields

ted1 · 22-06-2021 6:09pm

josip wrote: »

Does anyone remember the name of the caravan site that was between Ballybrack and Shankill back in the 80s?
Was it where Castle Court is now? At the roundabout?

No, I know that their was one where Olcovar is in Shsnkill ad recent as mid 90s.

The castle court one would be interesting as Bayview and Seafield were built around 84.

Garlinge · 22-06-2021 7:43pm

Caravan site = Sherrington? We hired one from there for a family holiday in 1960's

Larbre34 · 22-06-2021 10:44pm

The old Shankill Caravan Park and Camp site was down at Woodbrook on the old Bray Road. It was where the Woodbrook Downs estate now stands, IIRC.

Homesick Alien · 22-06-2021 11:05pm

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Not the same i'm afraid.

Was in Bits n Pizzas there for the first time last Friday. Rooftop terrace is a great addition, just a pity you can't actually see anything except the sky with high walls all round. Pizza was pretty average I would say but the kids enjoyed it.

ted1 · 22-06-2021 11:17pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

The old Shankill Caravan Park and Camp site was down at Woodbrook on the old Bray Road. It was where the Woodbrook Downs estate now stands, IIRC.

Nope, it’s where Olcovar is. I used to go regular deliveries there.

https://www.geograph.ie/photo/446109

https://planning.agileapplications.ie/dunlaoghaire/application-details/53530

iffandonlyif · 23-06-2021 10:53am

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

local resident David McWilliams makes his case for DL to be the winner of the best place in Ireland to live in 2021 (Irish Times)

‘Dun Laoghaire main street is the only place I’ve been quizzed on the intricacies of macroeconomics and started on in the same conversation. Love it.’ Is he trying to show how cool he is, or something? Phibsborough, Rathmines and Bray have that energising mix of classes that he says is essential. Dun Laoghaire is just rough.

As for his claim that Dun Laoghaire is unrecognisable from a few years ago down by the sea, it’s quite obviously nonsense. The only major improvement was covering the railway line in front of the pavilion. That was a decade ago. Since then, the bottom of People’s Park has been renovated and a car lane has been converted to a cycle lane, without any improvement to the pedestrian realm. Hardly transformational. Having bemoaned the state of Dun Laoghaire during the recession, perhaps he needs to believe in a great improvement in order to justify his positivity now.

Cyrus · 23-06-2021 12:44pm

iffandonlyif wrote: »

‘Dun Laoghaire main street is the only place I’ve been quizzed on the intricacies of macroeconomics and started on in the same conversation. Love it.’ Is he trying to show how cool he is, or something? Phibsborough, Rathmines and Bray have that energising mix of classes that he says is essential. Dun Laoghaire is just rough.

As for his claim that Dun Laoghaire is unrecognisable from a few years ago down by the sea, it’s quite obviously nonsense. The only major improvement was covering the railway line in front of the pavilion. That was a decade ago. Since then, the bottom of People’s Park has been renovated and a car lane has been converted to a cycle lane, without any improvement to the pedestrian realm. Hardly transformational. Having bemoaned the state of Dun Laoghaire during the recession, perhaps he needs to believe in a great improvement in order to justify his positivity now.

He lives there now maybe he finds it more charming as a resident rather than a visitor.

Larbre34 · 23-06-2021 1:46pm

iffandonlyif wrote: »

As for his claim that Dun Laoghaire is unrecognisable from a few years ago down by the sea, it’s quite obviously nonsense. The only major improvement was covering the railway line in front of the pavilion. That was a decade ago. Since then, the bottom of People’s Park has been renovated and a car lane has been converted to a cycle lane, without any improvement to the pedestrian realm. Hardly transformational.

To be fair you're taking churlish to a new level.

The entire People's Park was restored to its Victorian layout and the pavilion therein returned to use as a busy restaurant, not to mention the massively successful weekend markets. The bottom end of the Park has been extended out over the railway line, while opposite, the baths are completing renovation. Down at the far end of Scotsmans Bay a new mini Park at Otranto Place overlooking Sandycove is mobbed all the time.

The Pavilion deck you mention also has the new Lexicon Park and facilities alongside and tying it all together is a 3.5 km segregated cycle route.

Now as it happens, I don't agree with McWilliams that Dun Laoghaire is the best place to live in Ireland, for many reasons, but that's not reason enough to dismiss what's been done and what's still to come over the next while. The tens of thousands of leisure visitors every weekend are testament to that much.

iffandonlyif · 23-06-2021 3:54pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

To be fair you're taking churlish to a new level.

The entire People's Park was restored to its Victorian layout and the pavilion therein returned to use as a busy restaurant, not to mention the massively successful weekend markets. The bottom end of the Park has been extended out over the railway line, while opposite, the baths are completing renovation. Down at the far end of Scotsmans Bay a new mini Park at Otranto Place overlooking Sandycove is mobbed all the time.

The Pavilion deck you mention also has the new Lexicon Park and facilities alongside and tying it all together is a 3.5 km segregated cycle route.

Now as it happens, I don't agree with McWilliams that Dun Laoghaire is the best place to live in Ireland, for many reasons, but that's not reason enough to dismiss what's been done and what's still to come over the next while. The tens of thousands of leisure visitors every weekend are testament to that much.

This fellow really is foul. With some users, it can be assumed they're having a bad day. But he demonstrates repeatedly that his family are to be pitied.

The final paragraph indicates what misunderstanding so riled him. He thinks I was criticising Dun Laoghaire's amenities. I was not and have defended the town on here before. I was taking issue with David McWilliams' characteristic exaggeration in saying, 'Down by the sea, the place is unrecognisable from a few years ago'. And so his post lists all the things he likes about Dun Laoghaire, almost none of which are relevant to my point.

McWilliams cannot have had People's Park in mind when he made his claim. But if he did, 'restoration' massively overstates the changes that have left the character of the park unchanged. I, myself, mentioned the renovation of the area at the bottom of the park, and the market that he mentioned has been going almost twenty years.

A 'minipark opposite Sandycove', as the description suggests, is in Sandycove, not Dun Laoghaire. But, regardless, is that really one of the changes he thinks make the area unrecognisable from a few years ago?!

The library has been a fantastic addition, but 'Lexicon Park' (Council-speak for Moran Park) has merely improved something that was already there.

Nothing he said comes close to substantiating McWilliams' claim. I hope he knows when to shut up.

duploelabs · 23-06-2021 4:02pm

iffandonlyif wrote: »

‘Dun Laoghaire main street is the only place I’ve been quizzed on the intricacies of macroeconomics and started on in the same conversation. Love it.’ Is he trying to show how cool he is, or something? Phibsborough, Rathmines and Bray have that energising mix of classes that he says is essential. Dun Laoghaire is just rough.

As for his claim that Dun Laoghaire is unrecognisable from a few years ago down by the sea, it’s quite obviously nonsense. The only major improvement was covering the railway line in front of the pavilion. That was a decade ago. Since then, the bottom of People’s Park has been renovated and a car lane has been converted to a cycle lane, without any improvement to the pedestrian realm. Hardly transformational. Having bemoaned the state of Dun Laoghaire during the recession, perhaps he needs to believe in a great improvement in order to justify his positivity now.

I think he's referring to when the old pavilion theatre and surrounding park were there in the late 90s, I remember running in there chasing a shoplifter and it was like a scene you'd expect from under the overpasses in LA

Larbre34 · 23-06-2021 4:46pm

iffandonlyif wrote: »

This fellow really is foul. With some users, it can be assumed they're having a bad day. But he demonstrates repeatedly that his family are to be pitied.

The final paragraph indicates what misunderstanding so riled him. He thinks I was criticising Dun Laoghaire's amenities. I was not and have defended the town on here before. I was taking issue with David McWilliams' characteristic exaggeration in saying, 'Down by the sea, the place is unrecognisable from a few years ago'. And so his post lists all the things he likes about Dun Laoghaire, almost none of which are relevant to my point.

McWilliams cannot have had People's Park in mind when he made his claim. But if he did, 'restoration' massively overstates the changes that have left the character of the park unchanged. I, myself, mentioned the renovation of the area at the bottom of the park, and the market that he mentioned has been going almost twenty years.

A 'minipark opposite Sandycove', as the description suggests, is in Sandycove, not Dun Laoghaire. But, regardless, is that really one of the changes he thinks make the area unrecognisable from a few years ago?!

The library has been a fantastic addition, but 'Lexicon Park' (Council-speak for Moran Park) has merely improved something that was already there.

Nothing he said comes close to substantiating McWilliams' claim. I hope he knows when to shut up.

Eh?

qb123 · 24-06-2021 10:01am

iffandonlyif wrote: »

This fellow really is foul. With some users, it can be assumed they're having a bad day. But he demonstrates repeatedly that his family are to be pitied.

The final paragraph indicates what misunderstanding so riled him. He thinks I was criticising Dun Laoghaire's amenities. I was not and have defended the town on here before. I was taking issue with David McWilliams' characteristic exaggeration in saying, 'Down by the sea, the place is unrecognisable from a few years ago'. And so his post lists all the things he likes about Dun Laoghaire, almost none of which are relevant to my point.

McWilliams cannot have had People's Park in mind when he made his claim. But if he did, 'restoration' massively overstates the changes that have left the character of the park unchanged. I, myself, mentioned the renovation of the area at the bottom of the park, and the market that he mentioned has been going almost twenty years.

A 'minipark opposite Sandycove', as the description suggests, is in Sandycove, not Dun Laoghaire. But, regardless, is that really one of the changes he thinks make the area unrecognisable from a few years ago?!

The library has been a fantastic addition, but 'Lexicon Park' (Council-speak for Moran Park) has merely improved something that was already there.

Nothing he said comes close to substantiating McWilliams' claim. I hope he knows when to shut up.

Sorry, but think you're completely in the wrong here and Larbre is correct. Think there's an uncalled for slur in your post.

People's park was completely renovated - tearooms, fountains, toilets, resurfacing of footpaths. The new library and surrounding landscaped area are a big change from what was there previously. I'd also add in Oliveto's move from the Pavilion to the Haddington Hotel as enlivening a further stretch on the metals.

Larbre34 · 24-06-2021 3:17pm

I see McWilliams there on twitter earlier suggesting the bus terminus on Crofton Road at the Dart station be moved to the back of the station in the Harbour in order to put tables and chairs where it now exists. (don't know where to begin with the reasons that is both grossly unsafe and impractical)

Now I accept the thrust of his bona fides to improve Dun Laoghaire in general, but this stuff is just thoughtless. Between him and the County Council there seems to be a determination to move vital public transport and modal connectivity further and further away and make it less and less convenient for those who rely on it and have a right to have it serve the busy areas of the town.

No danger of McWilliams and some others ever picking up a nomination paper and looking for support to run for Council and try and do some of the legwork, I suppose?

loyatemu · 24-06-2021 3:52pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I(don't know where to begin with the reasons that is both grossly unsafe and impractical)

why not do that? there's loads of space at the back of the station for a bus interchange. you could effectively extend the plaza at Meadows and Byrne over in front of the station.

Larbre34 · 24-06-2021 5:36pm

loyatemu wrote: »

why not do that? there's loads of space at the back of the station for a bus interchange. you could effectively extend the plaza at Meadows and Byrne over in front of the station.

What, right through the traffic junction? How would the buses get out of the harbour in that case? Or any other traffic, like deliveries to all the businesses up the town?

Gaspode · 24-06-2021 5:57pm

Lets keep it civil or more bans will be dished out

Mav11 · 24-06-2021 8:25pm

loyatemu wrote: »

why not do that? there's loads of space at the back of the station for a bus interchange. you could effectively extend the plaza at Meadows and Byrne over in front of the station.

Larbre34 wrote: »

What, right through the traffic junction? How would the buses get out of the harbour in that case? Or any other traffic, like deliveries to all the businesses up the town?

Actually, a bus interchange and plaza extension might be a good idea and tie in with the proposed pedestrianisation of Georges St Lr.

Access for emergency vehicles, delivery and residents could be easily maintained on Marine Rd and / or have it as a cul de sac for traffic close to the bottom. Buses could come down York Rd. along Crofton Rd. and back along Harbour Rd.

Might work?

Larbre34 · 24-06-2021 9:28pm

No doubt Mr. Burns in the anti-public transport office of the Council will have a view on that.

He has announced the complete pedestrianisation of Lower George's Street for 3 months will proceed on July 5th.

He says the Council received 1,103 submissions with 70% approval.

Mav11 · 24-06-2021 9:37pm

No harm in trying these things. If they don’t work, they don’t work and if they do, they do.

Larbre34 · 24-06-2021 9:50pm

And we should be playing Russian roulette with local businesses just trying to come back from the precipice because?

It's fine for those whose businesses face directly onto that street and who are involved in hospitality, but what about the side streets on the town who will lose passing and occasional trade? What about the fact that will make two main through routes obstructed and traffic funnelled onto routes less able to take it only to create more congestion and more pollution.

Already hearing serious misgivings from people who are going to lose the buses from the locations they are needed most for older and less mobile people, Dun Laoghaire Shopping Centre, Bloomfields Centre, St Michael's Hospital, St Michael's Church.

Mav11 · 24-06-2021 10:20pm

We've had this conversation before, re. the closing of Georges st., but don't you think that "Russian Roulette" is a bit OTT, a bit hyperbolic?

I suggested that buses would run along Crofton Rd to bring the aged and infirm closer to St Michael's Hospital and Bloomfields etc. These people probably need to walk to the bus in the first place, as it is very unlikely that they have a stop outside their front door, but if needed (which I doubt) a bus could be run around Kelly's ave, Gorges place and Crofton Ave.

I'm sure that the solutions to such minor problems as they arise, are not beyond the wit of our highly paid LA officials.

BTW: I think that running the pilot closure of Georges st. to the beginning of October is a bit late. Mid May to Mid Sept would have been much more appropriate.

ted1 · 24-06-2021 10:23pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

No doubt Mr. Burns in the anti-public transport office of the Council will have a view on that.

He has announced the complete pedestrianisation of Lower George's Street for 3 months will proceed on July 5th.

He says the Council received 1,103 submissions with 70% approval.

That’s a strong mandate. Looking forward to see how it works.
I imagine all the businesses will benefit greatly. No pollution or dangers in the street really encourages and entices people to visit.

I believe people will adopt and find routes to Bloomfields, hospital and shopping centres

Blut2 · 24-06-2021 10:48pm

Thats great news. It should make Georges Street a lot more pleasant to actually spend on time on.

Larbre34 · 24-06-2021 10:56pm

ted1 wrote: »

I believe people will adopt and find routes to Bloomfields, hospital and shopping centres

And the mobility impaired who will have to negotiate an extra 600/650 metres from vital services to catch a bus? What do you suggest they adopt? Specifically?

Mav11 · 24-06-2021 11:04pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

And the mobility impaired who will have to negotiate an extra 600/650 metres from vital services to catch a bus? What do you suggest they adopt? Specifically?

Why would the mobility impaired have to adapt? Why would the businesses who you seem to think will be decimated not adapt, if required? Which I doubt.

Why couldn’t the aforementioned Bloomfields and other businesses run a frequent lite transport around the town to facilitate their customers, if needed? I suspect it would run empty most of the time.

ted1 · 24-06-2021 11:16pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

And the mobility impaired who will have to negotiate an extra 600/650 metres from vital services to catch a bus? What do you suggest they adopt? Specifically?

The road will be much safer for families, kids and elderly.

How many mobility Impaired make the journey at daily. And how many come by public transport ?
Surely many get a lift from relatives ?
How many come from Dalkey direction?
I believe there’s a rickshaw being provided to ferry some people.

I’m an engineer we make changes , we see obstacles , we find solutions.

Change is scary. , where people see problems Others see solutions.

AndrewJRenko · 24-06-2021 11:16pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

And we should be playing Russian roulette with local businesses just trying to come back from the precipice because?

It's fine for those whose businesses face directly onto that street and who are involved in hospitality, but what about the side streets on the town who will lose passing and occasional trade? What about the fact that will make two main through routes obstructed and traffic funnelled onto routes less able to take it only to create more congestion and more pollution.

Already hearing serious misgivings from people who are going to lose the buses from the locations they are needed most for older and less mobile people, Dun Laoghaire Shopping Centre, Bloomfields Centre, St Michael's Hospital, St Michael's Church.

You know that passing trade comes in other flavours than "motorist"?

Larbre34 · 25-06-2021 12:04am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You know that passing trade comes in other flavours than "motorist"?

You're forgetting that same street was reverted from public transport use only to all traffic accesses over a decade ago, precisely because the businesses came together and demonstrated that their trade had dropped so much.

This isn't about what I know or don't know, it's about demonstrable bottom lines and the survival of local trade in an economic crisis.

Larbre34 · 25-06-2021 12:06am

Mav11 wrote: »

Why couldn’t the aforementioned Bloomfields and other businesses run a frequent lite transport around the town to facilitate their customers, if needed?

I'm pretty sure they'd resent the very suggestion, having just had the very best bus service in Dublin in the 46A diverted away from their door.

Also, what street would you suggest they use?!

Larbre34 · 25-06-2021 12:22am

I'm hearing great concern about the impact on bus routes.

A number of Councillors have asked to see the Councils report on the matter, which wasn't published, to ascertain the residential location of all those that made submissions.

It also seems that this announcement wasn't meant to be made by the Council today, but that Dublin Bus were informed quite a few days ago and let the cat out of the bag by publishing advance notices of the route diversions online and on their bus stop information panels, forcing the Councils hand. The Councillors are particularly upset by this.

One Councillor of my acquaintance has already had a very upset constituent on to them, saying her husband needs to attend the dressings clinic at St. Michael's daily, and cannot drive due to his injuries (broken greenhouse glass lacerations) so is using the 46A from Abbey Road. His leg injuries give him no hope of walking from Crofton Road or York Road. Said Councillor is furious at being bypassed on this by the executive.

You might say hard cases make bad law, but I can tell you there's a long way to go with this yet.

ted1 · 25-06-2021 7:21am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'm hearing great concern about the impact on bus routes.

A number of Councillors have asked to see the Councils report on the matter, which wasn't published, to ascertain the residential location of all those that made submissions.

It also seems that this announcement wasn't meant to be made by the Council today, but that Dublin Bus were informed quite a few days ago and let the cat out of the bag by publishing advance notices of the route diversions online and on their bus stop information panels, forcing the Councils hand. The Councillors are particularly upset by this.

One Councillor of my acquaintance has already had a very upset constituent on to them, saying her husband needs to attend the dressings clinic at St. Michael's daily, and cannot drive due to his injuries (broken greenhouse glass lacerations) so is using the 46A from Abbey Road. His leg injuries give him no hope of walking from Crofton Road or York Road. Said Councillor is furious at being bypassed on this by the executive.

You might say hard cases make bad law, but I can tell you there's a long way to go with this yet.

I’m sure they’ll be a simple solution. E.g A taxi could be provided for those with mobility issues

You really don’t like change do you. You’ve also claimed to have inside information from politicians before. Yet the CMR is still there and DUblin Port never used BREXIT as an excuse to stop the Sandymount cycle path

markpb · 25-06-2021 9:55am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'm hearing great concern about the impact on bus routes.

It also seems that this announcement wasn't meant to be made by the Council today … The Councillors are particularly upset by this.

One Councillor of my acquaintance has already had a very upset constituent on to them,

So the “great concern” is some councillors being upset at not getting to break the good news themselves and one woman with an actual problem? I hate to break it to you but this is not how we run cities or countries.

loyatemu · 25-06-2021 9:58am

Larbre34 wrote: »

What, right through the traffic junction? How would the buses get out of the harbour in that case? Or any other traffic, like deliveries to all the businesses up the town?

no, obviously not, I meant a similar plaza in front of the station, on the other side of Marine Road (which could be substantially narrowed if there was no longer left-turning traffic at that end).

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