This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

TrailerBob · 26-02-2021 7:54pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

Yep - loads of new body parts available on the likes of Taros Trade e.g. the faded grey bumpers and side rubbing strips could be gotten for around 200 quid plus shipping. Then fit new but age appropriate number plates. Polish and wax paint. Hubcap from ebay. Even assuming that the car has dings and paint issues that can't be seen in the photos, it might end up as one of the nicest left on the roads in UK/Ire.

My first set of wheels was a 1994 clio RN in wine with body coloured bumpers and factory front foglamps. It wasn't bad when I got it, and only 6 years old..but I was young and well... it went for 250 quid at an auction about a year later.. fun car to go for a small hatch with no sporty illusions, and more comfortable than anything of its time.

KevRossi · 26-02-2021 9:46pm

oceanman wrote: »

think it has to be 30 years old to get the cheap tax..

I meant it's cheap to tax. €330 per annum I think.

KevRossi · 26-02-2021 11:48pm

NCT to 11/21 on this, €3,000. Seems to be a decent price for a car that's not perfect but very useable. Might be crusty at the back left wing? Was this owned by a boardsie at some stage. It looks familiar.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-190/27362439

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I really like this. They used to be everywhere at one stage. Very decent price at €5,950. 1966, but restored in 2005.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1966-leyland-550-fg/27362629

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RobAMerc · 27-02-2021 8:06am

KevRossi wrote: »

NCT to 11/21 on this, €3,000. Seems to be a decent price for a car that's not perfect but very useable. Might be crusty at the back left wing? Was this owned by a boardsie at some stage. It looks familiar.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-190/27362439

based on what folks have been asking recently I think that does indeed look like a bit of a bargain.

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 8:37am

Cheap, especially with NCT, but I couldn’t live with that colour.

tabby aspreme · 27-02-2021 9:22am

KevRossi wrote: »

NCT to 11/21 on this, €3,000. Seems to be a decent price for a car that's not perfect but very useable. Might be crusty at the back left wing? Was this owned by a boardsie at some stage. It looks familiar.

https://www.donedeal.ie/

I really like this. They used to be everywhere at one stage. Very decent price at €5,950. 1966, but restored in 2005.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1966-leyland-550-fg/27362629

My Dad had a BMC version of this, back when I was small enough to stand alongside /sit on the switch panel to the right of the steering wheel, with the two lads working for him on the passenger seat and engine cover, the original crew cab

kadman · 27-02-2021 9:57am

In all fairness the Leyland got a lick o paint here, lick o paint there resto, especially around the
chassis and cab area.
Painting metals around brackets different colours, and matching bolt covers instead of new bolts
would give me cause for concern. So it needs a good inspection in case its a potential money pit.

And do commercial classics commercials all need a cvrt now , open to correction here.

KevRossi · 27-02-2021 10:20am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Cheap, especially with NCT, but I couldn’t live with that colour.

It's not as bad in real life. I had one in that colour in Germany for a few months, wasn't too keen on it at the beginning but it sort of grew on me. Sills needed to be done for the TUV so we put export plates on it, drove it to Mauritania and sold it there.

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 11:10am

I like the look of this one:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-190e/27358348

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1.8 "Exklusiv" which was only for the Irish market. They were badged as something else in the UK, but were basically last of the line w201s before the C Class came to showrooms. They were available in this nice blue, black and a burgundy colour. Came with nice seats too

I think €4k is a bit saucy for a 1.8 manual with no NCT and 10 owners though

kadman · 27-02-2021 11:32am

NCT excuse with covid is BS, as we all know NCT is happening as usual

unkel · 27-02-2021 12:36pm

KevRossi wrote: »

It's not as bad in real life. I had one in that colour in Germany for a few months, wasn't too keen on it at the beginning but it sort of grew on me.

I like the colour too, remember it from "real cars", it looks different than in the pictures

Nice find and, like my own W201 that I sold last year for a bit over the €3k mark, if you get a well sorted one, they are a joy to own, very relaxing drive, while still easily keeping up with today's traffic. Extremely well made to a standard we will never see again and utterly and totally reliable.

Very underrated classic and if you see what rubbish is posted here regularly for similar money you'd wonder why the hell these aren't worth more :pac:

I guess a steady supply of them from the UK, where there are thousands of them - >30 (but <40) year old have no special benefits over there - so not worth that much meant you could bring them in cheaply, I did so myself with a few of them. But that stream has now dried up...

CoBo55 · 27-02-2021 1:20pm

kadman wrote: »

NCT excuse with covid is BS, as we all know NCT is happening as usual

I got absolutely annihilated on here for saying that. I agree with you 100%

kadman · 27-02-2021 2:09pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

I got absolutely annihilated on here for saying that. I agree with you 100%

Sorry to hear that, but I am way too grisly to take any notice of people trying to annihilate me for telling the truth.:P

Plus the fact the truth is you got one extension of 4 months on your NCT date, and thats it.

A good classic should have no fear of doing an NCT, its the cheapest recognizable document of a cars health, and whats not to like about that.:)

unkel · 27-02-2021 2:18pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

I got absolutely annihilated on here for saying that.

Not by me.

Unfortunately there are far too many classic car owners in Ireland who don't care about their safety or that of others and who couldn't bother getting their car NCTd

The €1500 fine and 5 penalty points and confiscation of cars really should be enforced on people who are taking the p1ss driving around for years with an untested car

kadman · 27-02-2021 3:58pm

| got plenty of grief on some forums for saying classics should have some form of
testing on brakes and steering and tyres at the very least.

Its a bit strange really that you can have a 50 year old car on the road without any sort of
inspection from anybody. And i make no apology to anyone for holding that viewpoint.

I've seen some cars at shows that should have been in a skip, and they were driven there:eek:

Arthur Daley · 27-02-2021 4:11pm

I'd say people's issue with the NCT is some of the inconsistency applied and petty issues that lead to failures, and in some cases serviceable vehicles being scrapped. It is infuriating, a bit like referring inconsistencies in football matches.

Basic checks on brakes, steering and tyres should be acceptable to everyone, and is a good idea.

CoBo55 · 27-02-2021 4:18pm

kadman wrote: »

| got plenty of grief on some forums for saying classics should have some form of
testing on brakes and steering and tyres at the very least.

Its a bit strange really that you can have a 50 year old car on the road without any sort of
inspection from anybody. And i make no apology to anyone for holding that viewpoint.

I've seen some cars at shows that should have been in a skip, and they were driven there:eek:

Lord stop, some of the junk at those shows would make your blood run cold, not helped by filler merchant car restorers!! You'd be terrified driving the yoke to a test centre never mind getting it tested. Bikes and tractors were no better.

oceanman · 27-02-2021 4:18pm

kadman wrote: »

| got plenty of grief on some forums for saying classics should have some form of
testing on brakes and steering and tyres at the very least.

Its a bit strange really that you can have a 50 year old car on the road without any sort of
inspection from anybody. And i make no apology to anyone for holding that viewpoint.

I've seen some cars at shows that should have been in a skip, and they were driven there:eek:

a good many people with classics, especially expensive ones wouldnt trust putting them through the nct...cant say i blame them to be honest.

CoBo55 · 27-02-2021 4:24pm

oceanman wrote: »

a good many people with classics, especially expensive ones wouldnt trust putting them through the nct...cant say i blame them to be honest.

Rubbish absolute rubbish. I used to drive wedding cars from the 1920's to the early 60's and there was never a bother getting them tested one required the decelleromoter for the brake test which needed to be stated beforehand, it had a propshaft driven brake booster system.

Seweryn · 27-02-2021 4:28pm

oceanman wrote: »

a good many people with classics, especially expensive ones wouldnt trust putting them through the nct...cant say i blame them to be honest.

With some cars I would have a problem handing the keys over to an NCT guy that would then lift the car the same way as ever regardless of where and if he finds the lifting points for my car. And if a damage to the sills or the floor is done you have no come back after unfortunately. Some people are happy with that, some are not. Those that are not are usually able to look after their cars, so they are in top condition anyway.

oceanman · 27-02-2021 4:28pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Rubbish absolute rubbish. I used to drive wedding cars from the 1920's to the early 60's and there was never a bother getting them tested one required the decelleromoter for the brake test which needed to be stated beforehand, it had a propshaft driven brake booster system.

each to their own i guess....

PsychoPete · 27-02-2021 6:56pm

oceanman wrote: »

a good many people with classics, especially expensive ones wouldnt trust putting them through the nct...cant say i blame them to be honest.

A neighbour dropped down a mk2 golf that needed a couple of bits, once it was on the lift you could see about 20 indentations underneath it where the tester was poking it for corrosion. Very excessive carry on

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 7:43pm

PsychoPete wrote: »

A neighbour dropped down a mk2 golf that needed a couple of bits, once it was on the lift you could see about 20 indentations underneath it where the tester was poking it for corrosion. Very excessive carry on

I’m not someone who really bothers with NCT’ing a classic, but on the few occasions that I have done this has been my experience of the test. They seem desperate to fail older stuff unless they’re immaculately presented cars.

kadman · 27-02-2021 7:56pm

Classic testing NCT with a rolling road to test the brakes and steering and tyres. No lift needed.Basic safety test.

Why you yourself would not even have to get out of your precious:p

kadman · 27-02-2021 7:57pm

PsychoPete wrote: »

A neighbour dropped down a mk2 golf that needed a couple of bits, once it was on the lift you could see about 20 indentations underneath it where the tester was poking it for corrosion. Very excessive carry on

Never heard of this, was he poking or hammering??

PsychoPete · 27-02-2021 7:59pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I’m not someone who really bothers with NCT’ing a classic, but on the few occasions that I have done this has been my experience of the test. They seem desperate to fail older stuff unless they’re immaculately presented cars.

For me when it comes to buying a car especially a classic, nct isn't that important. Nct isn't comprehensive enough to say if a car really is healthy or not, it gives you a fair idea but there can be so many potential issue not picked up. Just because a car has an nct doesn't mean it isn't a heap of sh!t

slipperyox · 27-02-2021 8:07pm

Remember, motorcycles are not tested at all.

Not sure law on 3 wheeler cars

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 8:08pm

kadman wrote: »

Never heard of this, was he poking or hammering??

A decent size screwdriver is the weapon of choice for poking at the North Point centre anyway

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 8:39pm

slipperyox wrote: »

Remember, motorcycles are not tested at all.

Not sure law on 3 wheeler cars

3 wheelers, the likes of Reliants etc, are not tested.

kadman · 27-02-2021 8:40pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

A decent size screwdriver is the weapon of choice for poking at the North Point centre anyway

Whats your suggested method for checking for corrosion/

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 8:43pm

kadman wrote: »

Whats your suggested method for checking for corrosion/

No issue at all with their method, just saying that - in my experience - they can be very aggressive with the poking and prodding at my local centre.

Arthur Daley · 27-02-2021 9:05pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

A decent size screwdriver is the weapon of choice for poking at the North Point centre anyway

Looking for a trace element of rust on brake pipes

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 9:30pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/rolls-royce-silver-spirit-original-97680-mile-rr/27374220

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A very cheap Roller, €6950

w124man · 27-02-2021 9:33pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

A very cheap Roller

Is there such a thing?

unkel · 27-02-2021 9:35pm

Out of NCT many years. Is that dealer gonna put it through the test?

oceanman · 27-02-2021 10:06pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/triumph-stag/27372819

RobAMerc · 27-02-2021 10:14pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

They seem desperate to fail older stuff unless they’re immaculately presented cars.

one of my cars failed on a loose battery (despite it passing with it like that multiple times before ) - which I fixed myself to what I thought was a reasonable standard

When it was being retested I saw him gritting his teeth and really having a go at it - the asshat shook it so violently he broke the negative cable connection to the bodywork. D*ckhead - there was no need for that

It had also failed first time on the lights aim being slightly off.
it passed on the 2nd time, but I saw the prick go back and over it a few times I am sure trying to fail it.

RobAMerc · 27-02-2021 10:16pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/rolls-royce-silver-spirit-original-97680-mile-rr/27374220

A very cheap Roller, €6950

I am fairly sure I test drove that car in Greystones last year. At the time there was a crack in the exhaust manifold and am issue with the brakes but its a huge amount of car for the money.

Duke O Smiley · 27-02-2021 10:20pm

Ah. I remember that now.

I wonder if any improvements have been made on it in the meantime

boosabum · 27-02-2021 10:22pm

Say this today and seems reasonable for the condition

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-slc-450-235hp-/26557667?campaign=3[PHP][/PHP]

26000 Elephants · 27-02-2021 10:32pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

I am fairly sure I test drove that car in Greystones last year. At the time there was a crack in the exhaust manifold and am issue with the brakes but its a huge amount of car for the money.

"An issue with the brakes" is usually the start of an expensive journey for Rolls Royce owners. It starts with that innocent looking light on the dash that should go out after a few seconds, but stays on.

Any manifold can be welded, but the hydraulic system is a real ball breaker.

26000 Elephants · 27-02-2021 10:44pm

kadman wrote: »

Classic testing NCT with a rolling road to test the brakes and steering and tyres. No lift needed.Basic safety test.

Why you yourself would not even have to get out of your precious:p

Exactly - this is what happens on the ITV in Spain, you dont have to leave the car.

There is absolutely no need for NCT testers to damage a car when checking for rust - anyone who knows what they are looking for wont mistake good metal and damage it. A tap will tell you all you meed to know before the screwdriver comes out.

unkel · 27-02-2021 11:31pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

I am fairly sure I test drove that car in Greystones last year.

Of course. Now I know why it looked so familiar. That car was probably bought for around the €5k mark, it looks fantastic but at the time I looked into the issue with the brakes and it would cost a small fortune to get sorted.

I guess it wasn't sorted. So still no NCT, back up for sale because the buyer realised the financial extent of the problem. Dealer presents the car well, hoping another fool will bite...

I know that sounds harsh and if I'm honest I was tempted by that car myself last year. I guess in a few years time it won't need any NCT anymore. Which isn't right in my opinion. Cars should never be exempt and certainly not when they did not pass any safety check before reaching the age of becoming exempt.

RobAMerc · 28-02-2021 8:18am

26000 Elephants wrote: »

"An issue with the brakes" is usually the start of an expensive journey for Rolls Royce owners. It starts with that innocent looking light on the dash that should go out after a few seconds, but stays on.

Any manifold can be welded, but the hydraulic system is a real ball breaker.

Yes, it was the brakes issue that turned me off it. Also, it being a gold roller made me feel a little icky driving it. Never been in anything that says "In your face poor people ! " so much ( and I am no lefty

)

RobAMerc · 28-02-2021 8:22am

unkel wrote: »

Of course. Now I know why it looked so familiar. That car was probably bought for around the €5k mark, it looks fantastic but at the time I looked into the issue with the brakes and it would cost a small fortune to get sorted.

I guess it wasn't sorted. So still no NCT, back up for sale because the buyer realised the financial extent of the problem. Dealer presents the car well, hoping another fool will bite...

I know that sounds harsh and if I'm honest I was tempted by that car myself last year. I guess in a few years time it won't need any NCT anymore. Which isn't right in my opinion. Cars should never be exempt and certainly not when they did not pass any safety check before reaching the age of becoming exempt.

Just to be clear - I am not 100% this is the same car. A lot of water has flowed under and even more red wine has flowed through me in the last year ! I sometimes look out at my own cars and think I recognise them from somewhere !:D

KevRossi · 28-02-2021 3:17pm

This looks good. 2.0 Auto. Nice colour too. I don't think the seats are original.

2 years NCT. Taxed for the year as a bonus. €3,750

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-190/27375813

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KevRossi · 28-02-2021 3:20pm

Decent price for a clean looking 2CV with 18 months NCT. €6,000

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-2-cv-6/26702248

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KevRossi · 28-02-2021 3:47pm

I'd be thinking about putting up another €8,000 and get this instead of that Roller, could be cheaper in the long run (if the details check out). €56 tax is a dream on one of these. Pity the long reg number looks shlte, but they did their best with that plate.

1990 Bentley Turbo R, 08/21. €14,950

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/bentley-turbo-r-free-delivery-in-republic-of-irl/26765935

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RobAMerc · 28-02-2021 5:03pm

^^^^ I love that - something really special

Judging by the number plate it came in very late last year or very recently

outfox · 28-02-2021 7:56pm

oceanman wrote: »

a good many people with classics, especially expensive ones wouldnt trust putting them through the nct...cant say i blame them to be honest.

At my NCT test last August, the tester managed to break off the plastic trim on the door side of the driver's seat (the cover with some of the switches for the seat function. Really annoying. I can't see any way to fix it, as it looks like a plastic piece snapped off.

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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