Do you work hard?

Ush1 · 19-03-2019 9:31am

I'm working in IT/OT over ten years and never been asked for my degree results and have never included them on my CV.

Snow Garden · 19-03-2019 10:41am

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

All the experience in the world won’t get your cv looked at in many fields unless you have the required qualifications. A PhD is mandatory in my area of work for example, without it you simply will not be considered for jobs.

I would say you are in a very small minority if you can leave your qualifications of your cv as this is not the case for the vast majority of people no matter what stage of their career, certainly not in skilled technical fields anyway.

In IT, academic qualifications are largely irrelevant. Experience is everything.

19-03-2019 12:23pm

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm working in IT/OT over ten years and never been asked for my degree results and have never included them on my CV.

How would you not include them? My cv and any cv I’ve seen starts off with qualifications at the start and moves on to work experience then.

Alf Veedersane · 19-03-2019 12:48pm

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

How would you not include them? My cv and any cv I’ve seen starts off with qualifications at the start and moves on to work experience then.

Qualifications are not always relevant.

Several of my peers who studied physics went into Finance. Their experience demonstrated the skills they had meant they could do the job well. Their qualifications suggested they would be good physicists.

EmmetSpiceland · 19-03-2019 1:05pm

Qualifications rarely seem to be relevant to those without them.

Badly Drunk Boy · 19-03-2019 1:20pm

Do you work hard?

Mark E Smith asked the same question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfvFUfLz1Hk

Ush1 · 19-03-2019 1:26pm

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

How would you not include them? My cv and any cv I’ve seen starts off with qualifications at the start and moves on to work experience then.

Most CVs have qualifications after experience. Sure look at LinkedIn.

I can't remember the results of my degree exams and even if I did they would be totally irrelevant at this stage. I've done loads of industry certifications since then which is actually what shows my skills and knowledge(along with work experience).

I have a single line which says my degree, the years I did it and where. Anything more than that is pointless filler.

Lillyfae · 19-03-2019 2:29pm

I work 4 days a week and although my workload can change I never feel overworked. I can easily read some news, do a bit of boardsing, reply to personal emails/ phonecalls and even get a bit of housework done (if I'm working from home) during that time too mostly. I know my output is high because in the past I've stepped in and helped out in other departments when they were overwhelmed and much to their surprise I was able to keep everything running pretty smoothly on their end and mine- not that that would be sustainable long term.

I enjoy the work but I think it's got more to do with understanding processes and people well and listening to what is being requested- that can go over people's heads alot of the time. Also I take a high level of responsibility in my work- this can be a blessing and a course because although I am a perfectionist I often find it difficult to accept that not everyone is :P

Long story short, I think I work smart not hard- at least smarter and less hard than other people I work with!

ToddyDoody · 19-03-2019 6:27pm

Get Crackin'!!

Ray Palmer · 19-03-2019 6:32pm

I don't really work hard but not many people can do my job. It isn't particularly difficult for me but everytime I am away or out everything is a mess. Generally it just means staying on top of the work coming in and getting back to people.
Others who attempt it find it too stressful and drop the ball.
I get paid very well for a job that doesn't cause me much strain but it is more to do with the inability to replace me. Been paid a lot less to do a lot more work and much more stress. Could change jobs and get paid more but it would be a lot more strees. I get paid per day what many earn in a week. Did my time in poorly paid jobs before I decided to get better paying work.

smurfjed · 19-03-2019 6:49pm

Today is a work day, so will go down to the lobby of this hotel to be met by a chauffeur who shall take me to the airport, all i have to do is check-in and make my way onboard to what should be an inflight suite with my own chef and butler. 12 hours later I shall get off and go home.

And that is really considered a work day:)

PowerToWait · 19-03-2019 7:12pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Today is a work day, so will go down to the lobby of this hotel to be met by a chauffeur who shall take me to the airport, all i have to do is check-in and make my way onboard to what should be an inflight suite with my own chef and butler. 12 hours later I shall get off and go home.

And that is really considered a work day:)

You're an amazing person.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-03-2019 7:12pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Most CVs have qualifications after experience. Sure look at LinkedIn.

I can't remember the results of my degree exams and even if I did they would be totally irrelevant at this stage. I've done loads of industry certifications since then which is actually what shows my skills and knowledge(along with work experience).

I have a single line which says my degree, the years I did it and where. Anything more than that is pointless filler.

Can you really not remember your degree classification? I understand that degree results become less important as one’s career progresses but I can’t fathom not being able to remember my degree classification.

jamesbere · 19-03-2019 7:15pm

Job I do isn't physically hard and it's straightforward enough. I've worked hard on previous jobs and got paid less.

Snow Garden · 19-03-2019 7:36pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I don't really work hard but not many people can do my job. It isn't particularly difficult for me but everytime I am away or out everything is a mess. Generally it just means staying on top of the work coming in and getting back to people.
Others who attempt it find it too stressful and drop the ball.
I get paid very well for a job that doesn't cause me much strain but it is more to do with the inability to replace me. Been paid a lot less to do a lot more work and much more stress. Could change jobs and get paid more but it would be a lot more strees. I get paid per day what many earn in a week. Did my time in poorly paid jobs before I decided to get better paying work.

I am intrigued. What area are you in? I am guessing compliance of some sort.

tcawley29 · 19-03-2019 7:41pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I don't really work hard but not many people can do my job. It isn't particularly difficult for me but everytime I am away or out everything is a mess. Generally it just means staying on top of the work coming in and getting back to people.
Others who attempt it find it too stressful and drop the ball.
I get paid very well for a job that doesn't cause me much strain but it is more to do with the inability to replace me. Been paid a lot less to do a lot more work and much more stress. Could change jobs and get paid more but it would be a lot more strees. I get paid per day what many earn in a week. Did my time in poorly paid jobs before I decided to get better paying work.

What do you do out of curiosity

Electric Sheep · 19-03-2019 7:47pm

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm working in IT/OT over ten years and never been asked for my degree results and have never included them on my CV.

I'm working in IT over 20 years, and the most effective way to have your looked at is a personal recommendation from someone in the same type of role that already works at the company and has worked with you before.

Experience is way more valued than pieces of paper.

Wabbit Ears · 19-03-2019 7:48pm

I do as little as possible and pray that a meteor will just end it all. But it never does.

19-03-2019 8:00pm

Electric Sheep wrote: »

I'm working in IT over 20 years, and the most effective way to have your looked at is a personal recommendation from someone in the same type of role that already works at the company and has worked with you before.

Experience is way more valued than pieces of paper.

The fact is though you won’t get the job to gain the experience without the required qualifications.

The vast majority of of job advertisements have relevant degree in the “mandatory requirements” many now require a masters or even PhD depending on the area.

You will also see lots of people who have great experience but no qualifications hit a roof in the career where they can’t progress further without having qualifications it’s why you see people doing night degrees etc in many areas.

Ray Palmer · 19-03-2019 8:10pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am intrigued. What area are you in? I am guessing compliance of some sort.

Nope,IT. Basically some specialist skills with added ability to read a calendar. It is amazing how some technical people can't read a calendar.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 19-03-2019 9:08pm

RWCNT wrote: »

Honestly, do you work hard at your job?

I work with a fella who complains about dole scroungers and that constantly, but spends 80% of his day on social media or fag breaks. I'd say on a given day he probably does 2 hours of work if he's lucky.

I work as a PA/office support in a charity for travelling speakers who go to conferences etc. to shill for us. I don't be dossing very much but when there aren't any looming deadlines I take it handy enough tbh. I could do more but I keep everything under control and that's fair enough for the wage I get IMO. What about yourselves?

He isn't that much below the average level of productivity to be honest.
https://thriveglobal.com/stories/in-an-8-hour-day-the-average-worker-is-productive-for-this-many-hours/

eoins23456 · 19-03-2019 9:10pm

I generally work pretty hard. I tend to be fairly productive. I try to avoid overtime as much as I can and it's worked for the last few months.

Gimme A Pound · 20-03-2019 3:12am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not really.

Qualifications typically mean you passed exams.

Experience demonstrates your ability to do a particular job. Qualifications don't.

I could have left my qualifications off my CV the last time I went for a job and it would have made no difference to me getting the job.

That said, maybe it's valid early in your career when there isn't much experience.

Depends I suppose. I mean, obviously there are certain careers for which a qualification is essential and those hiring would likely wish to see where the candidate completed their training.

Then there are careers for which, again, the qualification is essential but it's a given and experience is more noteworthy.

And there are careers like marketing and PR and journalism where courses are pretty much meaningless. But employers still often specify in job ads that they're a requirement.

I always start my cv with work experience though - qualifications are listed towards the end.

BuboBubo · 20-03-2019 3:26am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

No. I work long and unsociable hours, but I have a very easy job.

Same as, easy job - shift worker - long unsociable hours, you could kill yourself bending over backwards to please da bosses, but they are lazy as fcuk themselves so... nah!

Unfortunately I've seen many people burn themselves out, mentally and physically. I won't let that happen to me. I'll do my job, I'll do it well - but I ain't killing myself doing it.

Simi · 20-03-2019 4:02am

I work hard, and so do the vast majority of people I work with. However, there is a cohort of older people who are absolutely determined to do as little work as humanly possible between now and their retirement.

I'm not having a go at older people, some of whom work diligently every single day, but there is a small group who simply will not work. They basically come in to chat with their mates while doing as little work as they possibly can.

Some of these people have 5-10 years left until retirement! Any attempt by management to address the situation is met by claims of victimisation followed by a couple of weeks stress leave. Trying to train them in new tasks is met with confused stares and playing dumb until they're allowed return to pottering about.

They're destroying the morale of the people who work directly with them, who have to work twice as hard and essentially work around them to get things done.

TCM · 20-03-2019 4:58am

Simi wrote:

I work hard, and so do the vast majority of people I work with. However, there is a cohort of older people who are absolutely determined to do as little work as humanly possible between now and their retirement.

Don't work at all. I'm retired and get a big fat public service pension. It's wonderful.

_Brian · 20-03-2019 8:09am

Work as hard as the job requires but it’s way below my abilities so it requires little effort.
I work from home so set my own appointments to ensure a bearable schedule. It keeps me separated from the office politics too which is great, no small talk, no meaningless interactions and meetings.

Could earn twice as much in my previous role but money isn’t my motivation, my time outside work is much more precious to me.

Fifty grades of shay. · 20-03-2019 8:47am

TCM wrote: »

Don't work at all. I'm retired and get a big fat public service pension. It's wonderful.

That was probably the case with your wages too when you were working in the public service, sure yous/them ones, never do anything.

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Mundo7976 · 20-03-2019 10:56am

Rarely, any more!

fancy pigeon · 20-03-2019 11:00am

I work hard to look like I'm working hard

Do you work hard?

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