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NBP part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KOR101 wrote: »

    They'll have to get hedge trimming completed. They've got until the 1st March for that. I'd be hugely surprised if there is anyone connected within weeks. It doesn't seem possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    They'll have to get hedge trimming completed. They've got until the 1st March for that. I'd be hugely surprised if there is anyone connected within weeks. It doesn't seem possible.

    Il have to dig up my driveway so. Get the access pipes ready.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    you never know tis possible that they have a plan in place ready to go already once its signed, wishful thinking I know but it'd be nice if they started quickly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    There will be no connections until retailers are ready. Sept 2020 at the earliest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    joe_99 wrote: »
    There will be no connections until retailers are ready. Sept 2020 at the earliest.

    Yeah, they are only planning for passing 10000 premises in the first year, which equates to 33% of an eir 300k quarter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    joe_99 wrote: »
    There will be no connections until retailers are ready. Sept 2020 at the earliest.

    where is this "fact" from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    allanpkr wrote: »
    where is this "fact" from.

    Retailers holding up connections.




    Nonsense in a nutshell


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    listermint wrote: »
    Retailers holding up connections.




    Nonsense in a nutshell

    There will be nothing to connect to for the guts of 12 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There will be nothing to connect to for the guts of 12 months.

    I never said there would.

    I said retailers holding it up ....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    listermint wrote: »
    I never said there would.

    I said retailers holding it up ....

    I expect joe knows what he's talking about in relation to getting retailers onboard. This is a brand new wholesale company after all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    as far as i know its upto customers to apply to retailers to provide broadband once ftth is layed. on the time line nbi has already stated what it will be. my point is guessing, should not be put across as a fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I expect joe knows what he's talking about in relation to getting retailers onboard. This is a brand new wholesale company after all.

    Retailers could turn this around in two months if there was sales involved.

    Anyone with knowledge of new business would know that. Suggesting retailers would hold the show up for a year is laughable. Are these cornershops we are discussing.

    The national Union of amateur businesses?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    allanpkr wrote: »
    as far as i know its upto customers to apply to retailers to provide broadband once ftth is layed. on the time line nbi has already stated what it will be. my point is guessing, should not be put across as a fact.

    How do you know he's guessing? NBI have held meetings with retailers explaining the situation. This is a massive undertaking. It's essentially setting up a new wholesale network in the country with all the bureaucracy that entails.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    listermint wrote: »
    Retailers could turn this around in two months if there was sales involved.

    Anyone with knowledge of new business would know that. Suggesting retailers would hold the show up for a year is laughable. Are these cornershops we are discussing.

    The national Union of amateur businesses?

    I don't think he said that retailers would hold up the show. It's quite possible that NBI will not have ordering process procedures in place until then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    allanpkr wrote: »
    agree with everything you said , but.....irish children??? please .

    I was really thinking of tech professionals often American's, Israelis and Indians who form alot of the highly educated IT work force within Dublin. I can see how it was misconstrued as something entirely which was no my intention.

    Coming back to the National Broadband Plan I wonder if we will see certain particular black spots targeted first, I'm also very interested in the remote hub plans. My local village would most likely be the location if such a hub was to be placed there. However the village has 70mb VDSL and is not in the NBP intervention area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Currently NBI has no processes in place. No documentation on how to connect. No interconnect points defined and no contracts with any retailers in place.

    To give an idea, on how long that would take:

    With SIRO the process from signing contracts to starting to sell is typically 3-6 months. Contract negotiations before that can take a few months, too.

    With OpenEir the onboarding process takes anything from 12-18 months typically.

    Both examples above have their tech defined, their interconnects defined and their processes in place. Things that NBI will need to do additionally. So should the contract be signed tomorrow, it would take anything from 12-24 months before we see the first connections.

    Let alone issues that arise, if anyone mounts legal challenges.

    Signing the contracts does magically build and operate a network.

    /M


  • Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Marlow wrote: »

    Signing the contracts does magically build and operate a network.

    /M
    Cool always wondered how it worked sure this should be done in no time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Lets wait for some detail before the arguments start about rollout (although I'm happy it's about rollout and not signing). We all know its going to take time for this to ramp up and get going, but the main thing is it is happening. Nothing Marlow or anyone else that wanted it to fall flat on its face can do anything about it now.

    Jesus lads - lets take one day to celebrate the fact that this will be signed today - we've been waiting years and years for this day!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Orebro wrote: »
    Lets wait for some detail before the arguments start about rollout (although I'm happy it's about rollout and not signing). We all know its going to take time for this to ramp up and get going, but the main thing is it is happening. Nothing Marlow or anyone else that wanted it to fall flat on its face can do anything about it now.

    Jesus lads - lets take one day to celebrate the fact that this will be signed today - we've been waiting years and years for this day!!

    You can celebrate when the first home is connected and that sweet sweet light is beaming down the cable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Orebro wrote: »
    Lets wait for some detail before the arguments start about rollout (although I'm happy it's about rollout and not signing). We all know its going to take time for this to ramp up and get going, but the main thing is it is happening. Nothing Marlow or anyone else that wanted it to fall flat on its face can do anything about it now.

    Jesus lads - lets take one day to celebrate the fact that this will be signed today - we've been waiting years and years for this day!!

    +1 after much wasted money and previous broadband plans this one actually uses the right technology for once .
    having nor been covered by the 3 plan and a previous donegal wireless one where the supplier insisted you sign a contract before telling you whether they covered you or not and imagine not covering me, im hoping this one actually comes to fruition


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭Tommy Lagahan


    having nor been covered by the 3 plan

    You didn't miss much on the NBS, it was absolutely shocking. First modem was 1Mbit down 56K up in 2008, then HSPA came out and it was between 1Mbit and 5Mbit for 4ish years. Three is still terrible if you use 4G, 5-10Mbit. Only saving grace was forcing the modem to only use 3G which was a bit more stable. Imagine is OK but a matter of time before they over subscribe the mast im on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    How do you know he's guessing? NBI have held meetings with retailers explaining the situation. This is a massive undertaking. It's essentially setting up a new wholesale network in the country with all the bureaucracy that entails.
    so whose setting up wholesale business ....nbi ok. when they are done , retailers are ready to go. my local wisp i use is ready to go. so no fetailers will not hold angthing up. conjecture is not fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    One can only hope that a lot of the legwork on setting up the agreement infrastructure behind this has been done by now and is ready to go,once the main contract is signed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The NBP map has been updated. BCPs have been added and it appears the extra ~40k that eir passed have been removed. I expect this is the final map.

    https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Approved by Cabinet now as per Irish Times. A great day for those on the wrong side of the digital divide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    Marlow wrote: »
    Currently NBI has no processes in place. No documentation on how to connect. No interconnect points defined and no contracts with any retailers in place.

    /M

    Unless you work for NBI, I don't know how anyone could claim this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 440 ✭✭djd80


    The NBP map has been updated. BCPs have been added and it appears the extra ~40k that eir passed have been removed. I expect this is the final map.

    https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx


    So thats the potential map which is fine - are we expecting that there will be more detail put against that shortly after the contract is signed?


    Things like this area is expected to have fibre laid in late 2020, this area in mid 2021 etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    djd80 wrote: »
    So thats the potential map which is fine - are we expecting that there will be more detail put against that shortly after the contract is signed?


    Things like this area is expected to have fibre laid in late 2020, this area in mid 2021 etc

    I would not expect that detail today, no. I expect they will release that at some point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    Cabinet approves controversial €3bn rural broadband contract

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/cabinet-approves-controversial-3bn-rural-broadband-contract-1.4087859

    Great day, great news.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Lots of premises to be covered in towns and cities. Cork city is peppered with such premises.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭BarryM


    The NBP map has been updated. BCPs have been added and it appears the extra ~40k that eir passed have been removed. I expect this is the final map.

    https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

    Wow, a BCP within a Km of my house (planned) - wtf does that actually mean?

    Who decided on the BCPs? The contractor? ComReg? how? With what 'authority'?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    BarryM wrote: »
    Wow, a BCP within a Km of my house (planned) - wtf does that actually mean?

    Who decided on the BCPs? The contractor? ComReg? how? With what 'authority'?

    DCCAE, with help from local broadband officers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭BarryM


    DCCAE, with help from local broadband officers.

    WTF is a 'broadband officer' Did I hear they work for the CoCo? What basis have they for deciding on BCPs?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    The NBP map has been updated. BCPs have been added and it appears the extra ~40k that eir passed have been removed. I expect this is the final map.

    https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

    It's a crock of a map
    Look what it does with my house when I put in my eircode
    The lane into my farm comes from the road in the amber area at the top
    That's where the poles into my farm come from and where I got my Éir line
    The house is in blue because to the south of the farm much further away there is s fibre enabled cabinet
    To get to that cabinet from my house, you need to go through 2 fields and then a kilometer of road that has no telephone poles

    So do I ring up Éir immediately and say install me,put in the 20 poles ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Contact DCCAE and get the premises removed from the map.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Sorry what's a bcp?
    Also in my attached map,the Éir fibre is half a km away along the road to the right at the top
    Map and eircode says I'm due Éir fibre from the south 2kms away and 20 plus new poles...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Sorry what's a bcp?
    Also in my attached map,the Éir fibre is half a km away along the road to the right at the top
    Map and eircode says I'm due Éir fibre from the south 2kms away and 20 plus new poles...

    Broadband Connection Point
    Initially, the focus will be on connecting 300 broadband connection points in community settings such as GAA clubs, community centres and public libraries across the country.

    These shared hubs will provide a free high-speed broadband service to people living in rural areas while they await the arrival of a high-speed connection to their own premises.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Surveys of ducts, poles and other infrastructure will begin within the next two months, with the west and midwest likely to see the first work, RTÉ News understands.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,623 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    What a glorious day.

    Fair play to the government. They were under so much pressure to bin this or go for cheaper alternatives but they knew that Fibre is best possible technology that will drive Rural local economies for decades to come


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    New NBI site launched with maps and a facility to enter Eircode and email for updates.

    https://nbi.ie/


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Surveys of ducts, poles and other infrastructure will begin within the next two months, with the west and midwest likely to see the first work, RTÉ News understands.

    Smell of an election on the horizon :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    In the coming weeks, NBI will publish a map detailing each individual premises included in the rollout, including an indicative timeline for service delivery.

    https://nbi.ie/rollout-plan/

    They seem to be hitting the ground running if the website is anything to go by.

    Jim


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    In the coming weeks, NBI will publish a map detailing each individual premises included in the rollout, including an indicative timeline for service delivery. In the meantime, if you would like to check if your premises is covered by the National Broadband Plan, please visit the DCCAE website here to find out.

    https://nbi.ie/rollout-plan/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    So is my premises in NBI or Éir
    To repeat
    Line comes from road in amber area at the top
    House is in blue because of a cabinet 2 fields and 2kms away with no poles
    See attached

    How many situations like that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,639 ✭✭✭✭The Cush




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    So is my premises in NBI or Éir
    To repeat
    Line comes from road in amber area at the top
    House is in blue because of a cabinet 2 fields and 2kms away with no poles
    See attached

    How many situations like that?

    What does it say on the page? It should say "Your premises is in..."


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    What does it say on the page? It should say "Your premises is in..."

    It says I'm in the blue area:eek:

    It said that before and then said amber and now it's back to blue

    But to be clear,to be covered from that box to my south would mean 20 plus poles along a road with none,to a field at a back entrance to the farm and then up through two fields

    Its surely an anomaly


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