General Star Trek thread

28-08-2015 8:35am

Daith wrote: »

Indeed and it wouldn't have to be dark dark dark all the time.

I liked the episodes of DS9 like the baseball one or the Oceans 11 one just because it broke up the war and allowed some breathing space.

Yeah I mean those two, which I mention, are far to the other extreme but such potential that it felt like they were rubbing our faces in the mediocrity usually dispatched

Kiith · 28-08-2015 8:38am

Watched Darmok last night. "Picard and Dathon...at El-Adrel."

Bloody love that episode.

28-08-2015 8:39am

Temba... His arms wide

Kiith · 28-08-2015 8:41am

It's one of the rare times when they explored the language barrier really well. Picard was great here as well, as he really wanted to communicate, and you could see the frustration when it's not working. I love it when he figures it out as well.

"That's how you communicate, isn't it? By citing example... by metaphor! Uzani's army... with fists open..."
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered!" (meant as a metaphor to comprehension) "

Brilliant

SarahBM · 28-08-2015 10:21am

Kiith wrote: »

It's one of the rare times when they explored the language barrier really well. Picard was great here as well, as he really wanted to communicate, and you could see the frustration when it's not working. I love it when he figures it out as well.

"That's how you communicate, isn't it? By citing example... by metaphor! Uzani's army... with fists open..."
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered!" (meant as a metaphor to comprehension) "

Brilliant

Great episode! Voyager had something similar in the episode the void with Phantomie

dr.fuzzenstein · 28-08-2015 10:58am

Kiith wrote: »

Watched Darmok last night. "Picard and Dathon...at El-Adrel."

Bloody love that episode.

This is already possible here on Earth via Simpsons references. Would get very old very fast, though. I always thought what an annoying planet that would be to live on.

28-08-2015 11:08am

Sideshow Bob... when the rake hits

stannis · 28-08-2015 2:33pm

Daith wrote: »

You mean on a ship with limited resources trapped 70,000 light years from home one of the main cast might snap? Please..:p

Actually, this was one of ST:Voyager's key problems: resources were nowhere near as limited as they should have been. When main characters cannot be killed off and destruction/starvation/rebellion are not credible threats, you get a seven-year (!) programme with almost no tension.

SarahBM · 28-08-2015 2:50pm

stannis wrote: »

Actually, this was one of ST:Voyager's key problems: resources were nowhere near as limited as they should have been. When main characters cannot be killed off and destruction/starvation/rebellion are not credible threats, you get a seven-year (!) programme with almost no tension.

In fairness there were a few eps where they were running out of dilthium and deuterium, and the ship had to be run in grey mode and they were all made to eat Neelix's cooking.
My issue was no matter how limited resources were or how low on power, the holodeck was always on. And any one seemed to be able to hog it to themselves whenever!!!

But I still love Voyager.

ruskin · 28-08-2015 3:21pm

stannis wrote: »

Actually, this was one of ST:Voyager's key problems: resources were nowhere near as limited as they should have been. When main characters cannot be killed off and destruction/starvation/rebellion are not credible threats, you get a seven-year (!) programme with almost no tension.

Agreed. Voyager really had so much potential to explore themes like isolation, survival, loyalty, depression, and mutiny. We only ever got hints of these in episodes like Year of Hell, Night, Worst Case Scenario and One. I really would love to have seen Star Trek do a long-term mutiny storyline, and Voyager could have been perfect for it.

28-08-2015 4:52pm

I never got the resource lack. Plenty of warp races to trade with

Indricotherium · 29-08-2015 11:05pm

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-star-trek-federation-evil-empire_p2/

This is an excellent article.

Doesn't quite go far enough. Leaves out a lot of the really dark stuff the federation is into.

Cookie_Monster · 30-08-2015 11:58pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-star-trek-federation-evil-empire_p2/

This is an excellent article.

Doesn't quite go far enough. Leaves out a lot of the really dark stuff the federation is into.

that sounds like it was written by an anti-vaxxer

Myrddin · 31-08-2015 8:09am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

that sounds like it was written by an anti-vaxxer

Couldn't agree more, total nonsense article that twists & corrupts the core message Roddenberry tried to portray. I could easily refute all the points made in that article, because it's founded on hyperbole, and littered with errors, assumptions, and is a glorified attempt to appear 'edgy' by the 'author', in the most nerd-like ways of course. Anti-vaxxer seems a perfect fit, I'll leave it at that

Indricotherium · 31-08-2015 11:04am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

that sounds like it was written by an anti-vaxxer

Because it expresses emotion so well? ah ha.

Myrddin · 31-08-2015 11:10am

Indricotherium wrote: »

Because it expresses emotion so well? ah ha.

No, because it's looney reaching. It's trying to make paranoid 'edgy' connections that are not the intended narrative, not the true intent of the writers & rather than looking beyond the narrative with one eye on the facts as presented on screen, it disregards much in order to make it's own hyperbole believable. It's fun to prod, poke & make connections beyond the narrative, but this stuff isn't believable in any way because it twists and breaks the facts, rather than expanding upon them.

31-08-2015 12:29pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

Because it expresses emotion so well? ah ha.

Ohhhh controversial

Andrew Wakefield should be in prison though

crazyderk · 08-09-2015 8:03pm

Janeway to Chakotay. Scorpion

and onto season 4 I go

Beefy78 · 09-09-2015 8:08pm

I'm watching Fair Haven. Jeez... I'm not even Irish and I'm embarrassed.

SarahBM · 09-09-2015 8:37pm

Ah jaysus tommy me bhoy. wud ya spare us an auld shillin'!

Myrddin · 09-09-2015 9:14pm

SarahBM wrote: »

Ah jaysus tommy me bhoy. wud ya spare us an auld shillin'!

Those episodes are horrific, give me Data & The Comic or Alamarain any day over those Fair Haven ones.

ruskin · 11-09-2015 1:39pm

Fair Haven- the only Irish village of the 19th century fortunate enough to be basked in Los Angeles sunshine, with a happy populace who were spared the violence and subjugation of the British crown.

dr.fuzzenstein · 11-09-2015 4:37pm

Myrddin wrote: »

Those episodes are horrific, give me Data & The Comic or Alamarain any day over those Fair Haven ones.

Had to google that. Bahahahaaa!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMBUa7w9K4

Great in a way. Maybe they pissed off the director? That was the payback.

syklops · 11-09-2015 5:10pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Had to google that. Bahahahaaa!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMBUa7w9K4

Great in a way. Maybe they pissed off the director? That was the payback.

Jesus i lasted about 40 seconds into that video.

crazyderk · 11-09-2015 7:24pm

Watching the year of hell. Voyager looks great with all the damage.
I thought Kes warned them about the Krenim no?

Myrddin · 12-09-2015 10:44am

syklops wrote: »

Jesus i lasted about 40 seconds into that video.

Watch the whole clip, it gets much, much worse

Wise Old Elf · 14-09-2015 12:39pm

Woo hoo!
Day off to myself and All Good Things is on SyFy

ruskin · 14-09-2015 2:00pm

Wise Old Elf wrote: »

Woo hoo!
Day off to myself and All Good Things is on SyFy

...and the sky's the limit.

SarahBM · 14-09-2015 10:40pm

Master's is finished, so I have tonnes of tv to catch up on. I may have to start an Enterprise run-through. However I am a bit worried I won't like it.
I may also tackle TOS and all the movies.

dr.fuzzenstein · 14-09-2015 11:31pm

SarahBM wrote: »

Master's is finished, so I have tonnes of tv to catch up on. I may have to start an Enterprise run-through. However I am a bit worried I won't like it.
I may also tackle TOS and all the movies.

TOS may be hard going if you didn't grow up with it, but I think it's still awesome.
You have to bear in mind that Mr Spock's ears were made in Fred Phillips kitchen (according to legend), the transporter effect was glitter in a glass of water, stirred and filmed and overlaid over the charcter, there are strings holding up the Enterprise, the scenery wobbles and the rocks are very obviously styrofoam. The acting is patchy and 60's attitudes are sometimes hard to grasp today.
There is even a plant in Zulu's room that is very obviously a hand in a glove sticking out through the table:

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BUT!
I still think that everything Trek stands for is there. It is a critique of the human condition. By creating the perfect society, Rodenberry shows up the imperfections of ours.
It dealt with so many issues about race, gender, religion, the cold war and the human condition in general. Star Trek was never about space and spaceships and technology. Those were just vehicles for the story. It doesn't matter how the Heisenberg compensator works, it only matters what you can do with it in the story.
Nichelle Nichols was so important to the show as a strong female and black character that Martin Luther King asked her to stay when she wanted to quit.
It may look naff, but still to this day it is great, personally to me because it dealt with mindbending conundrums that were literally lightyears ahead of the human race back then and still are now. I love it in all it's cheesiness, greatness, ugliness, beauty and strangeness. Just imagine what else would have been on telly in 1967.

Indricotherium · 15-09-2015 7:49am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

TOS may be hard going if you didn't grow up with it, but I think it's still awesome.
You have to bear in mind that Mr Spock's ears were made in Fred Phillips kitchen (according to legend), the transporter effect was glitter in a glass of water, stirred and filmed and overlaid over the charcter, there are strings holding up the Enterprise, the scenery wobbles and the rocks are very obviously styrofoam. The acting is patchy and 60's attitudes are sometimes hard to grasp today.
There is even a plant in Zulu's room that is very obviously a hand in a glove sticking out through the table:

BUT!
I still think that everything Trek stands for is there. It is a critique of the human condition. By creating the perfect society, Rodenberry shows up the imperfections of ours.
It dealt with so many issues about race, gender, religion, the cold war and the human condition in general. Star Trek was never about space and spaceships and technology. Those were just vehicles for the story. It doesn't matter how the Heisenberg compensator works, it only matters what you can do with it in the story.
Nichelle Nichols was so important to the show as a strong female and black character that Martin Luther King asked her to stay when she wanted to quit.
It may look naff, but still to this day it is great, personally to me because it dealt with mindbending conundrums that were literally lightyears ahead of the human race back then and still are now. I love it in all it's cheesiness, greatness, ugliness, beauty and strangeness. Just imagine what else would have been on telly in 1967.

This is no joke, but having watched mad men I have a totally new perspective on the original series.

dr.fuzzenstein · 15-09-2015 8:26am

Indricotherium wrote: »

This is no joke, but having watched mad men I have a totally new perspective on the original series.

Guess I'll have to watch Mad Men now...

Myrddin · 15-09-2015 8:58am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

TOS may be hard going if you didn't grow up with it, but I think it's still awesome.
You have to bear in mind that Mr Spock's ears were made in Fred Phillips kitchen (according to legend), the transporter effect was glitter in a glass of water, stirred and filmed and overlaid over the charcter, there are strings holding up the Enterprise, the scenery wobbles and the rocks are very obviously styrofoam. The acting is patchy and 60's attitudes are sometimes hard to grasp today.
There is even a plant in Zulu's room that is very obviously a hand in a glove sticking out through the table:

BUT!
I still think that everything Trek stands for is there. It is a critique of the human condition. By creating the perfect society, Rodenberry shows up the imperfections of ours.
It dealt with so many issues about race, gender, religion, the cold war and the human condition in general. Star Trek was never about space and spaceships and technology. Those were just vehicles for the story. It doesn't matter how the Heisenberg compensator works, it only matters what you can do with it in the story.
Nichelle Nichols was so important to the show as a strong female and black character that Martin Luther King asked her to stay when she wanted to quit.
It may look naff, but still to this day it is great, personally to me because it dealt with mindbending conundrums that were literally lightyears ahead of the human race back then and still are now. I love it in all it's cheesiness, greatness, ugliness, beauty and strangeness. Just imagine what else would have been on telly in 1967.

Great post, & how I feel myself about TOS too

The only thing I'd ad is that the HD versions of TOS make it far, far, FAR easier to watch than the original (strings holding up the ship etc replaced with pretty nice CGI). The video quality is excellent, & it feels like you're almost watching a new show

dr.fuzzenstein · 15-09-2015 4:38pm

Myrddin wrote: »

Great post, & how I feel myself about TOS too The only thing I'd ad is that the HD versions of TOS make it far, far, FAR easier to watch than the original (strings holding up the ship etc replaced with pretty nice CGI). The video quality is excellent, & it feels like you're almost watching a new show

I know what you mean, but for me it has to be strings all the way. I'm with South Park on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVkrqzmM16s

Beefy78 · 15-09-2015 4:46pm

I find myself flipping between the old and new effects when I watch the TOS blurays. I'm not hung up on studios not improving effects so long as they don't materially change scenes or the World which is being created. That's what Lucas did wrong, IMO.

Some of the new shots in TNG and TOS look beautiful and can really help sell the story.

Myrddin · 15-09-2015 4:50pm

I justify the CGI shots to myself by thinking that we got what we got originally because that's all that could be afforded, and that's all the technology allowed back then. I think that if Gene could have used CGI back then, he would have...so we're seeing his vision only now, how he meant it for us to be seen. The attention to detail & work that went into the CGI replacement scenes isn't even on the same level as what Lucas did to the original trilogy, that was an abomination - what has happened to Trek though, has been an improvement - and that's the big difference.

Indricotherium · 15-09-2015 5:17pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Guess I'll have to watch Mad Men now...

Well worth it. It is the best television ever made.

But from the ST viewpoint it gives a great insight into the living rooms that tos was being broadcast.

dr.fuzzenstein · 15-09-2015 9:22pm

Myrddin wrote: »

I justify the CGI shots to myself by thinking that we got what we got originally because that's all that could be afforded, and that's all the technology allowed back then. I think that if Gene could have used CGI back then, he would have...so we're seeing his vision only now, how he meant it for us to be seen. The attention to detail & work that went into the CGI replacement scenes isn't even on the same level as what Lucas did to the original trilogy, that was an abomination - what has happened to Trek though, has been an improvement - and that's the big difference.

Wellifugginnever...mumblemumble...youthoftoday.mrrrgrrnnphht! (shakes fist) :P;)
Grumpy old git alert

jobbridge4life · 16-09-2015 12:56pm

Alarming news for poor Kes...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3236351/Star-Trek-actress-exposed-three-children-refused-clothes-lay-naked-couch-police-came-arrest-her.html

ruskin · 16-09-2015 1:09pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Alarming news for poor Kes...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3236351/Star-Trek-actress-exposed-three-children-refused-clothes-lay-naked-couch-police-came-arrest-her.html

Jesus, time has not been good to Kes.

jochenstacker · 16-09-2015 1:55pm

ruskin wrote: »

Jesus, time has not been good to Kes.

Says she's 41! :eek::eek::eek:
She looks way older.

Plazaman · 16-09-2015 2:23pm

jochenstacker wrote: »

Says she's 41! :eek::eek::eek:
She looks way older.

Had to check IMDB to double check her age, thought she was older than 21 when she starred in Voyager. She look a bit worse for wear to be sure. A bit of public nudity and threats to kill cops, definitely not operating on full thrusters unfortunately.

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/jennifer-lien-arrested-star-trek-voyager-1201594328/

Myrddin · 16-09-2015 3:43pm

She's unrecognisable in the mug shot photo there, and it definitely sounds like a dilithium crystal has cracked....

Indricotherium · 16-09-2015 5:25pm

jochenstacker wrote: »

Says she's 41! :eek::eek::eek:
She looks way older.

She's almost 4 tines older than any living occompa. God knows the affect that would have on the poor woman physically, or it seems mentally.

Men's sana in corpus sana and so on.

degrassinoel · 16-09-2015 9:17pm

That sounds like either a drug related meltdown or menopause, or both. jaysis..

i seen a picture of Kes a few years ago, and she'd put on a load of weight, she actually looks like she's lost a good bit in that picture, obviously she's naked and all but yeah..

syklops · 17-09-2015 12:01am

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Alarming news for poor Kes...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3236351/Star-Trek-actress-exposed-three-children-refused-clothes-lay-naked-couch-police-came-arrest-her.html

She is almost unrecognisable looks wise. :eek:

Indricotherium · 17-09-2015 7:05am

How does it work if you're on a show like voyager?

Does she get a few shillings every time syfy does a voyager run through?

syklops · 17-09-2015 1:05pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

That sounds like either a drug related meltdown or menopause, or both. jaysis..

i seen a picture of Kes a few years ago, and she'd put on a load of weight, she actually looks like she's lost a good bit in that picture, obviously she's naked and all but yeah..

I dont know any woman who had an episode like that caused by menopause.

17-09-2015 1:18pm

syklops wrote: »

I dont know any woman who had an episode like that caused by menopause.

I had a good laugh at his comment. I hope that it was in jest.

She's had trouble before, to be fair. Can't have been easy having your job safe until Garret Wang gets saved by a "beautiful people" article

degrassinoel · 17-09-2015 4:49pm

syklops wrote: »

I dont know any woman who had an episode like that caused by menopause.

lucky for you, i do.

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