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CTA flights at DUB. Why are they not segregated?

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    #62
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Channel Islands and Isle of Man are in the CTA


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    #63
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    FR accept the passport card which is more equivalent to the continental ID cards than a licence.

    FR accept the passport card which is exactly equivalent to a passport within the EU.


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    #64
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭trellheim


    We are a fully-fledged member of the EU and if an EU county attempted to treat us differently I'd fully hope they'd be told to stop.

    We are not in Schengen, they are within their rights to put us through any checks they want.


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    #65
    Cookiemunster
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    trellheim wrote: »
    We are not in Schengen, they are within their rights to put us through any checks they want.

    Any international airport in Europe I've ever been to has had EU and non EU passport gates. We have to be given access the EU gates. Schengen or not.


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    #66
    x567
    Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭x567


    I think Trellheim and Cookiemunster are both right. Because Ireland opts out of Schengen, we have to go through passport control within the EU; and should use the same EU gates that other EU citizens will use when they arrive on any flights originating outside the Schengen area. Flights that originate and arrive inside the Schengen area have no passport control - in essence domestic flights.


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    #67
    Dodge
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    Most airports in the Schengen zone specifically set up different areas and even terminals, for schengen and non-schengen flights

    In much the same way that US airports do for domestic* and international travel

    *of course including pre-cleared flights from Dublin


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    #68
    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Any international airport in Europe I've ever been to has had EU and non EU passport gates. We have to be given access the EU gates. Schengen or not.

    Whilst that's true, they are not allowed to treat Ireland and Cyprus differently (ie, two EU non-Schengen countries).

    If Ireland's access to the eGates is hindered, then so should Cyprus, Bulgaria and Romania.


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    #69
    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Driving licence doesn't state nationality!

    Who said it did?


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    #70
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,060 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    That's bollocks and would be grossly unfair to Irish people.

    We are a fully-fledged member of the EU and if an EU county attempted to treat us differently I'd fully hope they'd be told to stop.

    That's a load of cobblers. We're not in the Schengen Agreement so every EU country is perfectly entitled to subject flights from Ireland to full immigration controls.

    Freedom of movement really means freedom of workers to take up a job. There is no absolute right to be admitted to any EU country.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #71
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,123 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    That's a load of cobblers. We're not in the Schengen Agreement so every EU country is perfectly entitled to subject flights from Ireland to full immigration controls.
    Schengen countries are required to, in fact. But EU citzens arriving on a flight from Ireland still have their full rights as EU citizens, and so they join the EU citizens line and are waved through. Non-EU citizens arriving on the flight from Ireland (inc. UK citizens) join the other queue.
    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Freedom of movement really means freedom of workers to take up a job. There is no absolute right to be admitted to any EU country.
    There absolutely is. The right to free movement includes, but is certainly not limited to, the right to take up employment. Think of all those UK pensioners who have retired to Spain - they are exercising free movement rights.

    Briefly, the right of free movement entitles an EU citizen to move freely between member states for any reason or no reason, to reside in any member state and to be economically and socially active there in the same way as a citizen of the member state can, subject only to not being an undue burden on the social welfare system or on public safety.


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    #72
    brandodub
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    Free movement is based on our EU citizenship and EU gates must be provided for us regardless of Schengen


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    #73
    Dodge
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    brandodub wrote: »
    Free movement is based on our EU citizenship and EU gates must be provided for us regardless of Schengen

    Most flights within schengen don’t even have passport checks. So the ‘EU gates’ are only for flights that originate outside the Schengen area. eg a flight from Dublin to Berlin is pretty much treated the same as one from New York.

    Unlike the CTA, there is a common Schengen travel visa


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    #74
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Free movement is based on our EU citizenship and EU gates must be provided for us regardless of Schengen

    The two do not follow

    First part of the sentence yes. Second no. If there was only one lad checking passports from a non-schengen flight into Schengen so be it, we will all queue together


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    #75
    Peregrinus
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    trellheim wrote: »
    The two do not follow

    First part of the sentence yes. Second no. If there was only one lad checking passports from a non-schengen flight into Schengen so be it, we will all queue together
    Yes. But that would be an unusual state of affairs. Non-Schengen flights are flights from anywhere in the world, other than the Schengen area. Very few international airports are set up so that there is only one person to check all the passengers on intercontinental flights. For purposes of airport efficiency alone it makes sense to segregate passngers into EU citizens and others; you'll clear the whole flight much more quickly that way.


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