General sheep thread

Dinzee Conlee · 22-04-2019 7:13pm

razor8 wrote: »

Hard without seeing them, are they lacking flesh, mucky backends? What was there dosing routine as lambs. Eg white drench, clear?

They were lambs I bought last back end Razor. They were injected with dectomax for worms...

A few are mucky, but was putting that down to grass more than anything...

Was going to bolus them all right, as they looking a bit, I dunno, washed-out in the wool I think...

wrangler · 22-04-2019 7:26pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

They were lambs I bought last back end Razor. They were injected with dectomax for worms...

A few are mucky, but was putting that down to grass more than anything...

Was going to bolus them all right, as they looking a bit, I dunno, washed-out in the wool I think...

White wormer is the only one that killls tapeworm

roosky · 24-04-2019 11:42am

Brain teaser for ye !

3 week old lamb fit and health at 8 pm Monday night

8 pm tuesday night he is lying still although sitting up!

he is blind and possibly deaf.....

No ability to walk, stand or take weight on legs.

Sucked a bottle last night and this am.....

Any ideas.

Dinzee Conlee · 24-04-2019 12:53pm

roosky wrote: »

Brain teaser for ye !

3 week old lamb fit and health at 8 pm Monday night

8 pm tuesday night he is lying still although sitting up!

he is blind and possibly deaf.....

No ability to walk, stand or take weight on legs.

Sucked a bottle last night and this am.....

Any ideas.

Meningitis?

roosky · 24-04-2019 3:06pm

Meningitis fits the symptoms,

Anyone ever have a lamb to survive it ?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 24-04-2019 3:40pm

roosky wrote: »

Meningitis fits the symptoms,

Anyone ever have a lamb to survive it ?

Yeah, a ewe and two lambs this spring. Vit b1 and a few days of Alamycin 300 as soon as symptoms are spotted.

The two lambs were a good bit of work, lifting and feeding slowly 3 times a day for about 3 weeks, easier after the second though once they stood themselves. The ewe still isn't 100%, I'll make a judgement on keeping her in the next few weeks.

wrangler · 24-04-2019 5:11pm

roosky wrote: »

Meningitis fits the symptoms,

Anyone ever have a lamb to survive it ?

yea, it seems to be easy cured

Willfarman · 24-04-2019 11:02pm

If it’s got in time the sheep stands a chance. Often hold their head sideways for their lifetime after. Tetanus shows similar symptoms and I had a Few lambs in a particular piece of ground with unvaccinated lambs a couple of years back.

Lambman · 24-04-2019 11:41pm

Any a you guys towing tuff Mac trailers? Thinking off changeing and hearing there a good trailer. Thinking on going for the 14x6 tri axle with decks. Replacing an 09 14x5'10 twin axle ifor Williams with decks. If anyone interested.

390kid · 24-04-2019 11:55pm

Lambman wrote: »

Any a you guys towing tuff Mac trailers? Thinking off changeing and hearing there a good trailer. Thinking on going for the 14x6 tri axle with decks. Replacing an 09 14x5'10 twin axle ifor Williams with decks. If anyone interested.

12ft one here happy enough with it you could argue the ramps a bit light do. Other than that we can’t fault it

Lambman · 25-04-2019 9:31am

390 kid are they light enough towed? Had a Hudson before the ifor I have now and she was a disaster till pull.

roosky · 25-04-2019 10:27am

wrangler wrote: »

yea, it seems to be easy cured

Thats good

The lamb has got any amount of antibiotics now, all different brands !

and getting vit b1 two vets told me its b1 he needs , should he also be getting b12

Buford T. Justice XIX · 25-04-2019 10:51am

roosky wrote: »

Thats good

The lamb has got any amount of antibiotics now, all different brands !

and getting vit b1 two vets told me its b1 he needs , should he also be getting b12

No, sorry, big fingers hitting two keys at the same time:o

Sheep breeder · 25-04-2019 9:25pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Meningitis?

Lambs can get it when the ringed tail falls off and the bug gets in and travels up the spine to the brain.

roosky · 26-04-2019 9:55am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Lambs can get it when the ringed tail falls off and the bug gets in and travels up the spine to the brain.

All of what you said makes sense.....he may have a spinal issue too as he is very disabled on the back legs

DJ98 · 26-04-2019 9:50pm

What's the best type of creep feeder do people find, the one the lamb walks into or just puts it head into it?

MeTheMan · 26-04-2019 10:15pm

Depends.
The one they walk in can only feed 4-8 depending on size. Can lead to a crush/trampled lambs but it keeps the feed dry and also acts as shelter for young lambs just turned out. If a ewe gets in she is more likely to get stuck in there and gorge.

The head in one can feed 20 odd lambs at a time. 10 or so each side. Less likely to crush/trample lambs. Depending on your area, the feed can get wet. If there's driving rain. No benifit of shelter for new lambs. Ewes unlikely to get stuck with the head release bar.

Edit to say the head in one's have wheels one end so we sit the other end on the back of the quad to move it. The walk in one's, although lighter will need a trailer or transport box to move.

One problem we have with our head in feeders is it seems to cut the lambs ears randomly. Some a little cut some a bad tear across the ear. I took an angle grinder to them last year and ground down any welding bolbs, sharp edges. Seen a lambs last weekend with his ear cut. Can't understand it. Doesn't happen often enough to see it happen. Could be just a freak thing that happens with the release bar.

390kid · 26-04-2019 11:52pm

Lambman wrote: »

390 kid are they light enough towed? Had a Hudson before the ifor I have now and she was a disaster till pull.

She’s grand to pull used to pull it on a transit and she went on the best do find it a bit wavy when it’s not fully loaded do

wrangler · 27-04-2019 11:16am

390kid wrote: »

She’s grand to pull used to pull it on a transit and she went on the best do find it a bit wavy when it’s not fully loaded do

All those long trailers should have dividing gates to keep stock to the front when not fully loaded

wrangler · 27-04-2019 1:35pm

Came across this on an english farming forum.
Some ewes have to be in an adoption crate for a long lonnnng time.:D

https://d1hu4133i4rt3z.cloudfront.net/avatars/l/24/24760.jpg?1436114463

390kid · 28-04-2019 3:38pm

Have a few ewes and lambs on a rough hill and there destroyed with ticks. What’s the best to put on them or try to get rid of them. I’m afraid to dip them in case the ewes might not take up with them after

Ard_MC · 28-04-2019 10:18pm

390kid wrote: »

Have a few ewes and lambs on a rough hill and there destroyed with ticks. What’s the best to put on them or try to get rid of them. I’m afraid to dip them in case the ewes might not take up with them after

Vector pour on. Get it on quick or you will lose lambs.

roosky · 29-04-2019 5:06pm

Just an update on the lamb with meningitis.......RIP

PM showed it to be CCN

He was back walking and fine then took a fit and died sunday

wrangler · 29-04-2019 7:09pm

roosky wrote: »

Just an update on the lamb with meningitis.......RIP

PM showed it to be CCN

He was back walking and fine then took a fit and died sunday

CCN is deadly if it's not got early, I got an outbreak years ago in weaned calves for no obvious reason,
I remember them being very hard handled when they went blind. I lost a lot of calves with it. they were out on a new reseed and the cases stopped when I took them off it, some of the survivors were never right after

wrangler · 29-04-2019 7:42pm

Looks to be a brilliant programme for the IGA Sheep Conference.
Farm Visit is 400 acre farm

https://www.irishgrassland.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/IGA-Sheep-Conference-2019.pdf

sheepfarmer92 · 30-04-2019 11:33am

Yea John is dead on, lovely farm, he also has an outdoor slatted unit for 600 sheep which is unusual but seems to work very well

wrangler · 30-04-2019 1:39pm

I was at an IFA sheep meeting last night, it seems the only sector compelled to use electronic tags is the farmers,....... factories and marts can do what they like. One of the reps from Kepak said that it would incur a lot of extra cost for them and of course the lamb has to pay for everything.
To be sure of my lambs in the factory I think I'll be reading them myself same as usual. It's going to be an absolute mess.
It seems farmers have been haphazard about recording and traceability has to be 100%
Numbers should be nearly 100% right with electronic reading

Green farmer · 30-04-2019 10:05pm

Clean up lambs for the factory, using a jakoti hand clippers, good but abit slow, are the electric shears any better or a waste of time ?

DJ98 · 30-04-2019 10:10pm

Question on EID Tagging and tag subsidy

Have 10 or so early spring lambs that will be fit to sell in the next week or 2, if I order tags for these 10 will the tag subsidy be paid on this ammount as opposed to the 100+ ill be ordering later in the year.

Dinzee Conlee · 30-04-2019 10:25pm

DJ98 wrote: »

Question on EID Tagging and tag subsidy

Have 10 or so early spring lambs that will be fit to sell in the next week or 2, if I order tags for these 10 will the tag subsidy be paid on this ammount as opposed to the 100+ ill be ordering later in the year.

The subsidy will only be paid once as far as I know...
If you order 10 - you only get a subsidy on 10, so best to order the most you get the subsidy on...
I can’t remember if that’s 100euro it 100tags... 100 tags I think...

Siamsa Sessions · 01-05-2019 7:44am

Fencing was the big focus here this year and even though there’s still plenty of it to do, I’m starting to look at handling equipment now.

Would a basic handling unit be easily got 2nd hand? Or is there no hope of finding one on DoneDeal and I’d have to buy new?

Lambman · 01-05-2019 10:22am

Give lambs first dose yesterday... All coming along nicely no feet or orf problems. Oldest lamb is 34kg born 20th February 2 weeks before any a the rest.

wrangler · 01-05-2019 10:27am

Green farmer wrote: »

Clean up lambs for the factory, using a jakoti hand clippers, good but abit slow, are the electric shears any better or a waste of time ?

I've a rechargeable battery one that I got from Connacht Agri, it's a great machine, it cost €320. they had them at a reduced price at Tullamore show, They had a cheaper one but I'm used to the blade speed of the shears i use for shearing and I thought the cheaper one was pathetic. You can get electric ones too, only about €100 but I wouldn't know what to recommend in those,

This is what we have, I see it has a speed of 2500 rpm so whether you go electric or cordless that's the minimum speed to be looking for.
https://connachtagri.ie/product/12-volt-battery-cordless-sheep-cattle-clippers/

Green farmer · 01-05-2019 10:32am

wrangler wrote: »

I've a rechargeable battery one that I got from Connacht Agri, it's a great machine, it cost €320. they had them at a reduced price at Tullamore show, They had a cheaper one but I'm used to the speed of the blade speed of the shears i use for shearing and I thought the cheaper one was pathetic. You can get electric ones too, only about €100 but I wouldn't know what to recommend in those,

This is what we have, I see it has a speed of 2500 rpm so whether you go electric or cordless that's the minimum speed to be looking for.
https://connachtagri.ie/product/12-volt-battery-cordless-sheep-cattle-clippers/

Nice looking machine. It seems to be gone the way that everything going out the gate to factory needs to be clipped now.

Sami23 · 01-05-2019 10:50am

Lambman wrote: »

Give lambs first dose yesterday... All coming along nicely no feet or orf problems. Oldest lamb is 34kg born 20th February 2 weeks before any a the rest.

What dose did you use if you don't mind me asking

jd06 · 01-05-2019 1:33pm

Lambman wrote: »

Give lambs first dose yesterday... All coming along nicely no feet or orf problems. Oldest lamb is 34kg born 20th February 2 weeks before any a the rest.

I always vaccinate for orf, can't be got around here this year

ganmo · 01-05-2019 2:02pm

jd06 wrote: »

I always vaccinate for orf, can't be got around here this year

There seems to be a lot of issues about vaccine supply recently

kk.man · 01-05-2019 4:42pm

DJ98 wrote: »

Question on EID Tagging and tag subsidy

Have 10 or so early spring lambs that will be fit to sell in the next week or 2, if I order tags for these 10 will the tag subsidy be paid on this ammount as opposed to the 100+ ill be ordering later in the year.

It's based solely on your 1st order since EID came in.

I made that mistake

Lambman · 01-05-2019 5:08pm

Used zerofen here... I heard there was a bad batch off scabivax made and it was recalled that's why it's hard till get this year... I never used it anyways... Does any of you know the name off the single jagyou give till ewes for bad feet? The old horned ewes I bought are going bad on there feet now.

eire23 · 01-05-2019 7:47pm

Green farmer wrote: »

Clean up lambs for the factory, using a jakoti hand clippers, good but abit slow, are the electric shears any better or a waste of time ?

https://www.hornershearing.com/acatalog/rambo-battery.html
Bought one of these a while back, great job for dagging, nice size for using as well like the normal hand piece. Thought the other battery ones were very bulky and would be awkward for using if ya were using it for any length of time.

Dinzee Conlee · 01-05-2019 9:35pm

Green farmer wrote: »

Clean up lambs for the factory, using a jakoti hand clippers, good but abit slow, are the electric shears any better or a waste of time ?

I only got a jakoti only the other day... am savage impressed...

Ah, tis nice too, back here in the dark ages, tis little keeps us happy...

Green farmer · 01-05-2019 10:05pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I only got a jakoti only the other day... am savage impressed...

Ah, tis nice too, back here in the dark ages, tis little keeps us happy...

A super tool. The sheep sh*t clogs them up as well and they don’t meet as cleanly after a while, but clean it all down, a tap of the hammer on the little rivet and away she goes again. Mind your fingers though.

Dickie10 · 02-05-2019 9:09am

got a jakoti shears there brilliant clip a sheep in halff the time literally. dont try sharpen them though. self sharpening

Western Pomise · 02-05-2019 12:26pm

What white wormers are people using for lambs this year?

I see Zerofen mentioned earlier in the thread.....I used 'Arrest' the last few years and it worked well but wouldn't mind an alternative this year.

Sami23 · 02-05-2019 12:34pm

Western Pomise wrote: »

What white wormers are people using for lambs this year?

I see Zerofen mentioned earlier in the thread.....I used 'Arrest' the last few years and it worked well but wouldn't mind an alternative this year.

I know it's not white but I used Valbazen the other day for their 1st dose.

wrangler · 02-05-2019 6:16pm

Sami23 wrote: »

I know it's not white but I used Valbazen the other day for their 1st dose.

White doses are recommended at five/six weeks because it kills nemos and it's not as hard on young lambs.
Valbazen is a fluke and worm,

Bleating Lamb · 02-05-2019 7:25pm

Has anywhere in country a supply of ‘Scabivax?......have Orf in the land here so usually protect the lambs each year but seems Scabivax can’t be got by vets/animal pharmacies etc....very frustrating from an animal husbandry point of view.

Have fingers crossed we don’t get an outbreak.

Sami23 · 02-05-2019 10:19pm

wrangler wrote: »

White doses are recommended at five/six weeks because it kills nemos and it's not as hard on young lambs.
Valbazen is a fluke and worm,

Oops I had it left over from last year and it's going out of date in June I think so said I'd use it up.
I had been using Arrest early last year alrit.

390kid · 09-05-2019 10:57pm

Just out of interest what are yas dosing the ewes with when the lambs are in for it?

roosky · 10-05-2019 9:36am

390kid wrote: »

Just out of interest what are yas dosing the ewes with when the lambs are in for it?

I never dose ewes for worms anyway

When they get the heptavac p before lambing i give all thing ewes and triplets a worm dose of cydectin.

They get fluke dose every 8 weeks over winter starting when the rams go out in late october and then get the last fluke dose when leaving the lambing pens.

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