191 reg cars...

Toyotafanboi · 05-02-2019 10:32am

R.O.R wrote: »

Or someone who works in the Ford dealer and its their demo.

First thing I thought, demo or courtesy car.

GeneHunt · 05-02-2019 4:08pm

whiterebel wrote: »

We were interested in a GLA for new in January. Sat down, with the sales guy in Cork.
Ok, so interested in the GLA 1.6 petrol for 34K.
That’s now 38K.
What?
Yes, everything gone up. Roadtax on the 1.6 is €570...
Goodbye.

WOW, €570 road TAX for a 1.6L petrol is really a deal breaker as we've got used to road tax of approx €200... I wonder how many other people said "goodbye" too

Gael23 · 05-02-2019 5:45pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I drove past a 191 Focus this evening with a 3/19 tax disc in the window

Who taxes their brand new car for three months? Rental I assume. But odd to see all the same

I know..little to be worrying me..

Someone with cash flow difficulties after Christmas and buying a brand new car.

Henry Ford III · 05-02-2019 8:33pm

rainbowtrout wrote:

Or someone who wants the new reg but can just about make the payments and can only afford to tax it three months at a time

If things are that tight.....

AMKC · 05-02-2019 8:40pm

Seen a 191 Seat Ateca today in a strange colour. At first I thought it was a Skoda Kodiak as there was a Tourag parked beside it but when I went over to look I seen it was smaller so tought Koraq than seen it was a Seat Ateca.

Widdensushi · 05-02-2019 9:10pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

If things are that tight.....

New cars are ordered months in advance, circumstances easily change, illness, a bereavement etc.

sk8board · 05-02-2019 11:52pm

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

Some other things that stand out:

Tesla only registered 13 sales, versus 12 last year. They are still just playthings for wealthy early adopters. €125k for a model S would get you a LOT of nicer cars.

Also, Porsche only registered 3 sales, versus 23 last year. 2 macans, 1 panamera. The effects of not selling diesel Macans taking hold I assume. Still unbelievably low - height of the financial recession low

appledrop · 06-02-2019 12:20am

I see too many now to keep track so will just list the more unusual ones. A brand new 191 aircoach! Whatever brand/model that is . Also a 191 mini. The led lights at the back were mad. Looked a bit like Union Jack.

Duke O Smiley · 06-02-2019 12:28am

Yeah thats a thing now, the rear lamps have union jacks in them. Its an option

n1ck · 06-02-2019 12:53am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Yeah thats a thing now, the rear lamps have union jacks in them. Its an option

Pretty sure I saw a 181 Mini with those lights! Not sure it's new to the 191 model.

Duke O Smiley · 06-02-2019 1:12am

Yeah, I mean with the new model generally so 2017(?) or so onwards

elperello · 06-02-2019 1:16am

n1ck wrote: »

Pretty sure I saw a 181 Mini with those lights! Not sure it's new to the 191 model.

It's a Brexit Special Edition.

RedorDead · 06-02-2019 11:50am

whiterebel wrote: »

We were interested in a GLA for new in January. Sat down, with the sales guy in Cork.
Ok, so interested in the GLA 1.6 petrol for 34K.
That’s now 38K.
What?
Yes, everything gone up. Roadtax on the 1.6 is €570...
Goodbye.

I was told by a friend of mine, who works for a massive German company, that Mercedes owned up to the emmissions cheating, just as EU inspectors were walking into HQ. I’ve never seen anything else to back it up, but its an interesting story, and would seem to be borne out by the increases.

Also spoke to Audi at the time, and he told us that the A4 is struggling badly to make emmissions in manual petrol.He told us that anyone who ordered a manual was going to get an automatic, as it was the only one that makes the cut.

Lexus also went up 3K on the CT200, but road tax stays at €180, so I doubt that was due to emissions.

No issues with the manual petrol - its the manual diesel that is delayed and its a free upgrade to automatic diesel. No such offer on petrols.

GeneHunt · 06-02-2019 4:08pm

RedorDead wrote: »

No issues with the manual petrol - its the manual diesel that is delayed and its a free upgrade to automatic diesel. No such offer on petrols.

Is this issue only with the Audi A4 or are other Audi diesel models affected?

Comhrá · 06-02-2019 7:39pm

GeneHunt wrote: »

Is this issue only with the Audi A4 or are other Audi diesel models affected?

I believe it's both the A4 and the A5.

road_high · 06-02-2019 11:01pm

Toyota sales figures down 36% in January- way more than for other Marques. Pushed to no 4 in the sales charts.
Were the new Corolla, Camry and Rav 4 too late? Was in a Toyota dealer three weeks ago and there was a huge hullabaloo going on.

AMKC · 07-02-2019 12:32am

road_high wrote: »

Toyota sales figures down 36% in January- way more than for other Marques. Pushed to no 4 in the sales charts.
Were the new Corolla, Camry and Rav 4 too late? Was in a Toyota dealer three weeks ago and there was a huge hullabaloo going on.

Too late for January sure but maybe in the long run they will be a good move by Toyota. Its only one month maybe if they are still down that much after the year is out then that could be bad for them.

mengele · 07-02-2019 12:58am

Are new cars just gone too expensive now in general. Go back less than 10 years ago you could of had a new Renault fluence or megane for 15k with scrappage. Same car now is about 24k

paddydriver · 07-02-2019 1:36pm

Remember the days we could get a Lada for £4995 in old money...

Old diesel · 07-02-2019 1:48pm

mengele wrote: »

Are new cars just gone too expensive now in general. Go back less than 10 years ago you could of had a new Renault fluence or megane for 15k with scrappage. Same car now is about 24k

That's 24 k list vs a subsidised by Renault and Govt recession price yes?????.

JohnBoy26 · 07-02-2019 3:51pm

Old diesel wrote: »

That's 24 k list vs a subsidised by Renault and Govt recession price yes?????.

+ it's not the same car. The new model is a better car than the old one.

Wildly Boaring · 07-02-2019 4:00pm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

+ it's not the same car. The new model is a better car than the old one.

Must have pulled out all the stops to better the fluence

road_high · 08-02-2019 12:02am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Must have pulled out all the stops to better the fluence

The Fluence was really aimed at emerging markets like Turkey et al- as we love our 3 box saloons so much they brought it in here and it sold very well as it was very well priced and has a no non sense reputation for reliability. They didn’t even sell it in France!
Ive noticed that it seems to have replaced the Toyota Avensis as the default taxi drivers cars- an awful lot of them using them so they must be reliable.
The Megane Grand coupe is altogether a different car, gone upmarket rather than the value and functionality the Fluence sold on.

bazz26 · 08-02-2019 12:30am

The Fluence was sold in the far east and with the Samsung SM3 badge stuck on it:

Funnily enough that it also replaced the Samsung badged Nissan Almera saloon that we got here in the noughties.

rn · 08-02-2019 8:26am

I think Toyota problem is the fact they no longer have a diesel. A lot of the older Toyota buyers that always refreshed their diesel saloon every 1-3 years don't trust hybrid petrol or an automatic for that matter. They are either holding onto the diesel they currently have or trying another brand that can give them a diesel.

Old diesel · 08-02-2019 8:45am

rn wrote: »

I think Toyota problem is the fact they no longer have a diesel. A lot of the older Toyota buyers that always refreshed their diesel saloon every 1-3 years don't trust hybrid petrol or an automatic for that matter. They are either holding onto the diesel they currently have or trying another brand that can give them a diesel.

They still sold 10 k non diesels last year

Wildly Boaring · 08-02-2019 10:08am

Old diesel wrote: »

They still sold 10 k non diesels last year

But it is deffo going to have an effect in this country.

I've an uncle who buys new Toyotas every year or 2 of every 3 anyway between him and his wife. And I mean this is a fanatic

RAV up for renewal and he wont buy a new one. The towing capacity is stupidly low. 850kg?

I reckon he'll end in a tiguan. He's not even sure yet.

He's also looking very seriously at leaf for the second car next year. Toyota going to have a full EV?

Wildly Boaring · 08-02-2019 10:09am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

But it is deffo going to have an effect in this country.

I've an uncle who buys new Toyotas every year or 2 of every 3 anyway between him and his wife. And I mean this is a fanatic

RAV up for renewal and he wont buy a new one. The towing capacity is stupidly low. 850kg?

I reckon he'll end in a tiguan. He's not even sure yet.

He's also looking very seriously at leaf for the second car next year. Toyota going to have a full EV?

Also by "this country" I'm assuming rest of world well ahead here and little old Ireland needs to catch up

road_high · 08-02-2019 12:18pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

But it is deffo going to have an effect in this country.

I've an uncle who buys new Toyotas every year or 2 of every 3 anyway between him and his wife. And I mean this is a fanatic

RAV up for renewal and he wont buy a new one. The towing capacity is stupidly low. 850kg?

I reckon he'll end in a tiguan. He's not even sure yet.

He's also looking very seriously at leaf for the second car next year. Toyota going to have a full EV?

I think a lot of ex Toyota diesel buyers will migrate certainly to VW Skoda.
Many people genuinely need a diesel, whether it be for a bit of towing or because they do a lot of mileage. Choice is never a bad thing.

road_high · 08-02-2019 12:21pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Also by "this country" I'm assuming rest of world well ahead here and little old Ireland needs to catch up

Not just ireland- Europe in general has always been pro diesel for various reasons. We were only following that trend and it was mainly down to fuel economy.

Squidgy Black · 08-02-2019 12:22pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

He's also looking very seriously at leaf for the second car next year. Toyota going to have a full EV?

Yep. They've partnered with Panasonic earlier last month to create their own EV batteries.

Old diesel · 08-02-2019 1:47pm

The commercial viability of diesel wasn't there for Toyota and when you consider the cost of developing a Euro 6 diesel with WLTP then it's better* to take the hit on a few diesel sales in Ireland.

Then chase what is for Toyota world wide - a niche market.

The reality is that Hybrid is actually superior technology for a lot of the typical Toyota drivers who bought into the brand for reliability.

So I think Toyota is right to push it.

The towing thing is obviously something they need to work on.

But the target audience for Toyota is probably evolving - to a younger audience for CHR who represent "the future" for the brand.

CHR is likely bringing people to Toyota who would normally have found an Auris or an Avensis too boring.

And I dont even like the CHR

*for Toyota

road_high · 08-02-2019 1:51pm

I love the CHR. They look class, pity they’re so expensive! It must be one if their best selling cars already

Old diesel · 08-02-2019 2:07pm

I wonder how many people stung by the likes of the dieselgate fix or the BMW EGR farce will be interested in a proven to be reliable solid proven hybrid solution.

This isn't neccessarily a lose a big bunch of customers and gain no new customers for Toyota situation.

road_high · 08-02-2019 2:14pm

Old diesel wrote: »

I wonder how many people stung by the likes of the dieselgate fix or the BMW EGR farce will be interested in a proven to be reliable solid proven hybrid solution.

This isn't neccessarily a lose a big bunch of customers and gain no new customers for Toyota situation.

Well I think the swing is already well back in favor of petrol but not 100% of sales. I think a 65:35 % split is probably where the market lies

Wildly Boaring · 08-02-2019 4:57pm

Old diesel wrote: »

I wonder how many people stung by the likes of the dieselgate fix or the BMW EGR farce will be interested in a proven to be reliable solid proven hybrid solution.

This isn't neccessarily a lose a big bunch of customers and gain no new customers for Toyota situation.

In reality no one bar the taxman stung by diesel gate.
Very very few BMW drivers gonna buy Toyotas

Old diesel · 08-02-2019 5:18pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

In reality no one bar the taxman stung by diesel gate.
Very very few BMW drivers gonna buy Toyotas

People were reporting issues with the fix, reduced power, higher fuel consumption, EGR valves failing earlier

Toyotafanboi · 08-02-2019 5:43pm

Old diesel wrote: »

People were reporting issues with the fix, reduced power, higher fuel consumption, EGR valves failing earlier

In the scheme of the "fix", not that many people got stung with issues and those with a tangible issue had the faults rectified FOC.

The only financial catches might be having to take half a day off to visit a dealer and and perceived higher fuel consumption.

As per the many many threads on here though, I don't think it's reduced our national appetite for VW's and i'd say it won't compromise BMW much either tbh.

Leonard Hofstadter · 08-02-2019 5:47pm

Old diesel wrote: »

People were reporting issues with the fix, reduced power, higher fuel consumption, EGR valves failing earlier

There are no issues with BMW's EGR fix (once they actually get around to fixing it:pac:).

scooby77 · 08-02-2019 9:12pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

But it is deffo going to have an effect in this country.

I've an uncle who buys new Toyotas every year or 2 of every 3 anyway between him and his wife. And I mean this is a fanatic

RAV up for renewal and he wont buy a new one. The towing capacity is stupidly low. 850kg?

I reckon he'll end in a tiguan. He's not even sure yet.

He's also looking very seriously at leaf for the second car next year. Toyota going to have a full EV?

2 friends, female, 40s, have 2014 Rav4s. Both like them but both updating this year. Don't want automatic, not keen on Hybrid. Also think Rav4 pricey. Both looking at Tucsons- coming from Toyota only families! (Towing defo not an issue!)
Have heard few "older" Toyota fans complaining in particular about price.

Wildly Boaring · 08-02-2019 10:08pm

scooby77 wrote: »

2 friends, female, 40s, have 2014 Rav4s. Both like them but both updating this year. Don't want automatic, not keen on Hybrid. Also think Rav4 pricey. Both looking at Tucsons- coming from Toyota only families! (Towing defo not an issue!)
Have heard few "older" Toyota fans complaining in particular about price.

Yeah they're very dear now.
Rav Luna with metallic 38250 plus delivery so 39000

Kuga or ateca diesel down around 31 or 32 with similar spec.
Rav always been slightly dearer but they've really put a big jump up on new model.

There are CRVs from 34000, know which I'd prefer

sk8board · 08-02-2019 10:48pm

Old diesel wrote: »

I wonder how many people stung by the likes of the dieselgate fix or the BMW EGR farce will be interested in a proven to be reliable solid proven hybrid solution.

As someone with a car in both camps, I can safely say I couldn’t care less and neither impacted me in any way in reality.

KFed · 08-02-2019 11:21pm

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Yeah they're very dear now.
Rav Luna with metallic 38250 plus delivery so 39000

Kuga or ateca diesel down around 31 or 32 with similar spec.
Rav always been slightly dearer but they've really put a big jump up on new model.

There are CRVs from 34000, know which I'd prefer

&ybrod crv is about 38k also isn't it. No more diesel crv. Paid 34k on 2016 for the 1.6 manual. Model with camera and sensors. The hybrid more expensive now for basically same economy but the tech and emissions almost certainly better.

Are all brands not inflating prices now. I proved up a new 320d and it came to 60k with one or two options ticked.

AMKC · 09-02-2019 1:13am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Yeah they're very dear now.
Rav Luna with metallic 38250 plus delivery so 39000

Kuga or ateca diesel down around 31 or 32 with similar spec.
Rav always been slightly dearer but they've really put a big jump up on new model.

There are CRVs from 34000, know which I'd prefer

Kia Sportage can be got for 30k with better spec than most of them now.

KFed wrote: »

&ybrod crv is about 38k also isn't it. No more diesel crv. Paid 34k on 2016 for the 1.6 manual. Model with camera and sensors. The hybrid more expensive now for basically same economy but the tech and emissions almost certainly better.

Are all brands not inflating prices now. I proved up a new 320d and it came to 60k with one or two options ticked.

Jeez that's making my uncles brand new in 2007 E-Class for 60k look like good value. To be fair its still going and still in great condition too.

road_high · 09-02-2019 1:37am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Yeah they're very dear now.
Rav Luna with metallic 38250 plus delivery so 39000

Kuga or ateca diesel down around 31 or 32 with similar spec.
Rav always been slightly dearer but they've really put a big jump up on new model.

There are CRVs from 34000, know which I'd prefer

I think a lot of people can afford a new car up to early mid 30k’s. Once it starts going much beyond that you’re in the realm of expensive territory and there is a lot of keen alternatives vying for the same customers.
People wouldn’t have much issue with petrol/hybrid only in Yaris and Corolla class cars. Start getting bigger then fuel economy starts being more of a concern

ml100 · 09-02-2019 9:26am

road_high wrote: »

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Yeah they're very dear now.
Rav Luna with metallic 38250 plus delivery so 39000

Kuga or ateca diesel down around 31 or 32 with similar spec.
Rav always been slightly dearer but they've really put a big jump up on new model.

There are CRVs from 34000, know which I'd prefer

I think a lot of people can afford a new car up to early mid 30k’s. Once it starts going much beyond that you’re in the realm of expensive territory and there is a lot of keen alternatives vying for the same customers.
People wouldn’t have much issue with petrol/hybrid only in Yaris and Corolla class cars. Start getting bigger then fuel economy starts being more of a concern

I noticed that with these SUV's like the kuga etc, there new WLPT emission figures are very high, these are not being used for vrt % yet, when they are that will make these cars very expensive!, I think the whole PCP phenomena has push the price of new cars up, the 0% apr is being priced into the new car price, plus the manufatures are pushing higher spec to make them more attractive at 3 years to help the dealers get rid of them, I think when these new emissions start kicking in you will see people switching back to the family hatchback whose price wont be affected as much by WLPT.

DaveyDave · 09-02-2019 9:44am

ml100 wrote: »

I noticed that with these SUV's like the kuga etc, there new WLPT emission figures are very high, these are not being used for vrt % yet, when they are that will make these cars very expensive!, I think the whole PCP phenomena has push the price of new cars up, the 0% apr is being priced into the new car price, plus the manufatures are pushing higher spec to make them more attractive at 3 years to help the dealers get rid of them, I think when these new emissions start kicking in you will see people switching back to the family hatchback whose price wont be affected as much by WLPT.

You're not the first person to suggest 0% APR is increasing the cost of cars. Not every car is 0% though. As far as I know VW aren't currently doing 0%. When I got my 0% Golf Highline all the other Golfs were 1.9%. Seat and Skoda are 3.9% I think and all the other VW models had some APR on them. I'd say 0% makes up very little of their PCP sales, plenty of people are still driving lower spec cars and 0% is limited to a specific trim and even tied to petrol or diesel, not necessarily both.

Fleet discounts have been around forever along with big discounts on 6 month old demo models so there's other places where dealers are losing money.

Also keep in mind Ford put massive discounts on the Kuga and Mondeo, if the price is going up it's possibly taking discounts into account because they aren't selling for those prices.

I'd be interested in seeing evidence of 0% pushing up prices, not saying it's untrue but there's still plenty of interest going around across their range and on top of that they're likely still making money on 0% APR sales too by being a bank.

Wildly Boaring · 09-02-2019 9:46am

ml100 wrote: »

I noticed that with these SUV's like the kuga etc, there new WLPT emission figures are very high, these are not being used for vrt % yet, when they are that will make these cars very expensive!, I think the whole PCP phenomena has push the price of new cars up, the 0% apr is being priced into the new car price, plus the manufatures are pushing higher spec to make them more attractive at 3 years to help the dealers get rid of them, I think when these new emissions start kicking in you will see people switching back to the family hatchback whose price wont be affected as much by WLPT.

I think the crossover is now the family car and there'll be no going back to hatchbacks.

At creche yesterday around 8.30, usually in before the masses, wall to wall crossovers. Couldn't convince my wife to drive anything else with kids about.

Also pensioners love the height. My dad far preferred his kuga to my last 5 series. 5 series streets ahead in comfort and finish. He's only mid 60s and no way would only get into it if badly stuck.

Another current Toyota downfall. They're up at 4 and 5% apr on PCP.

ml100 · 09-02-2019 10:13am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

ml100 wrote: »

I noticed that with these SUV's like the kuga etc, there new WLPT emission figures are very high, these are not being used for vrt % yet, when they are that will make these cars very expensive!, I think the whole PCP phenomena has push the price of new cars up, the 0% apr is being priced into the new car price, plus the manufatures are pushing higher spec to make them more attractive at 3 years to help the dealers get rid of them, I think when these new emissions start kicking in you will see people switching back to the family hatchback whose price wont be affected as much by WLPT.

I think the crossover is now the family car and there'll be no going back to hatchbacks.

At creche yesterday around 8.30, usually in before the masses, wall to wall crossovers. Couldn't convince my wife to drive anything else with kids about.

Also pensioners love the height. My dad far preferred his kuga to my last 5 series. 5 series streets ahead in comfort and finish. He's only mid 60s and no way would only get into it if badly stuck.

Another current Toyota downfall. They're up at 4 and 5% apr on PCP.

Agreed, they are very popular especially as the price/running costs are currently not that much hirer than smaller hatchback cars, but will you're dad still buy a new kuga when the road tax of the 2wd 2.0 diesel will jump to €1200 and vrt from 24% to 35% If the new WLPT is used for co2, this may not happen if the government adjust road tax and vrt when WLPT is fully used in 2020.

On the 0% apr, the purchaser is paying for it one way or the other, whether it's increased prices or no discounts.

knifey_spoonie · 09-02-2019 10:36am

This one is quiet interesting, Below is just new vehicles registered to Limited Company's in January. These could be a combination of company vehicles, Demo's, Pre Reg's or Hire Vehicles.

191 reg cars...

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