Banning of Trocaire advert

So Glad · 08-03-2007 8:26am

Well this is another fine case of human censorship. What sickening, vile, fat, obnoxious ****ing prick with a comb-over could possibly find it in their heart to ban something that is REAL?

I signed petition and sent the BCI a nice e-mail.

Ciaran500 · 08-03-2007 8:56am

So Glad wrote:

Well this is another fine case of human censorship. What sickening, vile, fat, obnoxious ****ing prick with a comb-over could possibly find it in their heart to ban something that is REAL?

:rolleyes:

Cause it breaks the law. You can't let one side get away with it and the other not to.

So Glad · 08-03-2007 9:40am

Ciaran500 wrote:

:rolleyes:

Cause it breaks the law. You can't let one side get away with it and the other not to.

So there is a law that requires people not to talk about the plight of others?

08-03-2007 10:52am

So Glad wrote:

So there is a law that requires people not to talk about the plight of others?

If it has a political agenda, then yes

Ciaran500 · 08-03-2007 11:11am

So Glad wrote:

So there is a law that requires people not to talk about the plight of others?

Did you even bother to read the thread?

Mossy Monk · 08-03-2007 11:33am

Ciaran500 wrote:

Did you even bother to read the thread?

probably not

if this ad breaks the law then what's the big deal?

So Glad · 08-03-2007 11:36am

Ciaran500 wrote:

Did you even bother to read the thread?

Nope I haven't, and I won't because I cannot conceive any possible reason being nice and caring could be illegal.

aidan_walsh · 08-03-2007 11:37am

Mostly emotional responce, IMO.

"I agree with the campaign therefore th ad should not have been banned" type stuff.

Jocksy · 08-03-2007 11:42am

Where do you draw the line with political ads. The guidlines the BCI is to ban all political ads and thats what they have done. They aren't in the business of deciding if they ad has a political message they agree with and thats the way it should be,

So Glad · 08-03-2007 11:43am

All I'm saying is that this ad is outlining the plight of fellow humans, due to gender discrimination (which exists even in this country so we can take out heads out of the sand). Why should we not say this is happening (or say it is illegal to TALK about them) simply because it is another countries problem.

Shouldn't ads showing kids in other countries starving be banned because it is to do with the countries politics.

Also, why should this be politically orientated? It doesn't say anything about stopping it or prolonging it, so how does this proclaim an agenda? It just states a fact...

A fine example of how much people don't give a ****.

DadaKopf · 08-03-2007 11:46am

So Glad wrote:

All I'm saying is that this ad is outlining the plight of fellow humans, due to gender discrimination (which exists even in this country so we can take out heads out of the sand). Why should we not say this is happening (or say it is illegal to TALK about them) simply because it is another countries problem.

Shouldn't ads showing kids in other countries starving be banned because it is to do with the countries politics.

Also, why should this be politically orientated? It doesn't say anything about stopping it or prolonging it, so how does this proclaim an agenda? It just states a fact...

A fine example of how much people don't give a ****.

It's not illegal to talk about the issues in the media. It's illegal to advertise politics.

Ciaran500 · 08-03-2007 11:48am

So Glad wrote:

All I'm saying is that this ad is outlining the plight of fellow humans, due to gender discrimination (which exists even in this country so we can take out heads out of the sand). Why should we not say this is happening (or say it is illegal to TALK about them) simply because it is another countries problem.

Shouldn't ads showing kids in other countries starving be banned because it is to do with the countries politics.

Also, why should this be politically orientated? It doesn't say anything about stopping it or prolonging it, so how does this proclaim an agenda? It just states a fact...

A fine example of how much people don't give a ****.

FFS just read the thread instead of going around in circles about what's already been answered.

aidan_walsh · 08-03-2007 11:52am

Back to square one due to lazyness. Ok then...

Shouldn't ads showing kids in other countries starving be banned because it is to do with the countries politics.

Thats not the point. The Trocaire campaign is aimed at the British and Irish governments, and is thus political here.

Also, why should this be politically orientated?

Because Trocaire made it so.

It doesn't say anything about stopping it or prolonging it, so how does this proclaim an agenda?

Go to the Trocaire website and read the text of the petition. The advert is illegal because it is part of the same campaign.

A fine example of how much people don't give a ****.

I agree with the law, and I agree with the campaign. I signed my name to the petition. Does that mean I care less because I agree that it shouldn't be advertised on television when there are other avenues available to them?

So Glad · 08-03-2007 11:54am

DadaKopf wrote:

It's not illegal to talk about the issues in the media. It's illegal to advertise politics.

There were no politics, just a stated fact.

Kold · 08-03-2007 11:56am

Ban all fúckin ads tbh.

Ciaran500 · 08-03-2007 11:57am

You won't even read the posts before yours now?

Degsy · 08-03-2007 1:22pm

I hate this "gender inequality" nonsense.Abuses occur to both sexes during wartime,people of both sexes starve during famine and men as well as women suffer from poverty and exploitation.A similar ad was on telly a while back saying "violence against women is a crime.."of course its a crime,but then violence against ANYBODY,irrespective of gender is a crime.

DadaKopf · 08-03-2007 1:42pm

Degsy wrote:

I hate this "gender inequality" nonsense.Abuses occur to both sexes during wartime,people of both sexes starve during famine and men as well as women suffer from poverty and exploitation.A similar ad was on telly a while back saying "violence against women is a crime.."of course its a crime,but then violence against ANYBODY,irrespective of gender is a crime.

Uh, duhh, women and girls are affected much more than men and boys, and there's no natural reason for that to be the case.

There are more uneducated, sick, poverty-stricken women and girls in the world than boys.

Dragan · 08-03-2007 1:45pm

DadaKopf wrote:

Uh, duhh, women and girls are affected much more than men and boys, and there's no natural reason for that to be the case.

Are you insane or just stupid that would try and put a measure on human suffering? "Girls suffer more than boys during wartime"......come on!!!!

How the hell do you even TRY and back up a statement like that. Sure, horrible things happen to women and children during wars and conflicts all around the world..... and all this happens while the men are off drinking beer and playing domino's. :rolleyes:

aidan_walsh · 08-03-2007 1:55pm

"Girls suffer more than boys during wartime"......come on!!!!

Who said anything about wartime? There are many cultures around the world where women are regarded and treated as inferior. Thats what this campaign is about.

Dragan · 08-03-2007 1:58pm

aidan_walsh wrote:

Who said anything about wartime?

Degsy, then the poster after him. I understand the conversation started about the ad and all, but when i see a point like that made, no matter how off topic it might be, i will respond to that point.

aidan_walsh · 08-03-2007 2:01pm

I missed Degsey's post, but if you had read the rest of DadaKopf's post I would have imagined it was obvious he was speaking generally.

There are more uneducated, sick, poverty-stricken women and girls in the world than boys.

Ciaran500 · 08-03-2007 2:01pm

aidan_walsh wrote:

Who said anything about wartime? There are many cultures around the world where women are regarded and treated as inferior. Thats what this campaign is about.

From the trocaire website: "sign a petition urging the Irish government to implement UN resolution 1325 that relates to gender inequality and specifically the protection of women in times of conflict."

aidan_walsh · 08-03-2007 2:03pm

Ciaran500 wrote:

From the trocaire website: "sign a petition urging the Irish government to implement UN resolution 1325 that relates to gender inequality and specifically the protection of women in times of conflict."

My mistake. I thought it was a more general campaign. The advert certainly suggested so.

Dragan · 08-03-2007 2:03pm

aidan_walsh wrote:

I missed Degsey's post, but if you had read the rest of DadaKopf's post I would have imagined it was obvious he was speaking generally.

Not really, as he quoted Degsy post i assumed his reply was specifically with regard to that? Especially the first line?

Are you seriously telling me you want to have a discussion about how i replied to a post because you would have done so differently? :rolleyes:

Edit, it would seem i was heading in the right track without even knowing it???? Anyway Mr Walsh, i think we'll leave it there?

ninebeanrows · 08-03-2007 2:05pm

I personally thought the ad was absolutely ridiculous and will never support Trocaire again, infact it enraged me when watching and listening to it..

Are they attempting to get people to donate money?

Absolutely absurd and thanks be to god that that drivvle will no longer make it to the air..

humanji · 08-03-2007 2:11pm

Weathercheck wrote:

I personally thought the ad was absolutely ridiculous and will never support Trocaire again, infact it enraged me when watching and listening to it..

Are they attempting to get people to donate money?

Absolutely absurd and thanks be to god that that drivvle will no longer make it to the air..

What???

How were you enraged by being told of people being treated as less than human?

Dragan · 08-03-2007 2:17pm

humanji wrote:

What???

How were you enraged by being told of people being treated as less than human?

Maybe it infringes upon his rights a dictator?

Degsy · 08-03-2007 2:21pm

Jade Goody will sort it all aht nah she's in indiar innit.

Den_M · 08-03-2007 2:32pm

deswalsh wrote:

Pedantic maybe, but not ridiculous.

I agree. Shallow and pedantic.

simu · 08-03-2007 2:40pm

Cynical: maybe they knew the ad would be banned and went ahead anyway knowing a controversy would generate more publicity.

aidan_walsh · 08-03-2007 2:44pm

simu wrote:

Cynical: maybe they knew the ad would be banned and went ahead anyway knowing a controversy would generate more publicity.

That had occured to me too. I can't think how they "didn't know" that it would have been pulled.

The Sparrow · 08-03-2007 2:50pm

Ok first I`ve heard of this and i`ve read through the whole thread!

Couple of points... Seems that the BCI was in the right and the ad should have been banned.

But even taking the political implications aside, I thought the ad was ridiculous anyway. To me it inferred that female babies are the only gender that are discriminated against! I hate one sided gender politics that seek to promote one genders suffering over another's. A baby is a baby, male or female anything bad that happens to baby is horrendous. Why would they even bother to try and bring gender into it?

Perhaps there is a greater degree of prejuidice against the female gender, but that is not to say that millions of male babies aren`t discriminated against as well and grow up in awful conditions.

Trocaire should cop on and stop trying to promote one genders suffering ahead of anothers

Degsy · 08-03-2007 3:06pm

woooo232 wrote:

Ok first I`ve heard of this and i`ve read through the whole thread!

Couple of points... Seems that the BCI was in the right and the ad should have been banned.

But even taking the political implications aside, I thought the ad was ridiculous anyway. To me it inferred that female babies are the only gender that are discriminated against! I hate one sided gender politics that seek to promote one genders suffering over another's. A baby is a baby, male or female anything bad that happens to baby is horrendous. Why would they even bother to try and bring gender into it?

Perhaps there is a greater degree of prejuidice against the female gender, but that is not to say that millions of male babies aren`t discriminated against as well and grow up in awful conditions.

Trocaire should cop on and stop trying to promote one genders suffering ahead of anothers

I agree being PC should have no place in matters of humanatarian importance.What next..only give food to starving female babies?

Sangre · 08-03-2007 3:09pm

As I mentioned earlier if someone feels this strongly about it bring a case against it! An almost identical Swiss provision was held incompatible with the European Charter of Human Rights which has been adopted into Irish law since 2003.

Degsy · 08-03-2007 3:12pm

Sangre wrote:

As I mentioned earlier if someone feels this strongly about it bring a case against it! An almost identical Swiss provision was held incompatible with the European Charter of Human Rights which has been adopted into Irish law since 2003.

Against trocaire?Good idea,bankrupt those do-gooding busybodies!

simu · 08-03-2007 4:36pm

Degsy wrote:

I agree being PC should have no place in matters of humanatarian importance.What next..only give food to starving female babies?

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That's silly. Women have far lower literacy rates and higher poverty rates worldwide. They're just trying to even things up a bit.

The Sparrow · 08-03-2007 4:48pm

simu wrote:

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That's silly. Women have far lower literacy rates and higher poverty rates worldwide. They're just trying to even things up a bit.

Thats not what they are doing imho... They are choosing to completely ignore the plight of male children and concentrating only on bad things that happen to female babies. Its ridiculous. Would the campaign have been any less impactful if it had included all injustice against all children no matter their gender? Playing gender pollitics about poverty and discrimination is just wrong! What about the male baby whose parents don`t come from the same ethnic background as the powers that be in a certain country and are discriminated against. Why are they not included in this campaign? People are discriminated against for numerous reasons and to highlight just one and forget about the rest is not particularly helpful. Its bandwagon jumping at its worst.

Look if you wanna fight discrimination, fair play and do just that. Don`t start bringing in feminism and only concentrating on one facet of discrimination. Personally, this campaign makes me never want to support Trocaire again.

DadaKopf · 08-03-2007 4:53pm

Dragan wrote:

Are you insane or just stupid that would try and put a measure on human suffering? "Girls suffer more than boys during wartime"......come on!!!!

How the hell do you even TRY and back up a statement like that. Sure, horrible things happen to women and children during wars and conflicts all around the world..... and all this happens while the men are off drinking beer and playing domino's. :rolleyes:

It's not just about wartime, duhhh. Gender discrimination affects the whole of society. I balk at putting a value on human suffering, too. But when statistics say more women are poor than men, it sort of says something about the power of women in society to stand up to discrimination and exploitation.

Wartime is the extreme, but it's not about wartime.

simu · 08-03-2007 4:57pm

woooo232 wrote:

Thats not what they are doing imho... They are choosing to completely ignore the plight of male children and concentrating only on bad things that happen to female babies. Its ridiculous. Would the campaign have been any less impactful if it had included all injustice against all children no matter their gender? Playing gender pollitics about poverty and discrimination is just wrong! What about the male baby whose parents don`t come from the same ethnic background as the powers that be in a certain country and are discriminated against. Why are they not included in this campaign? People are discriminated against for numerous reasons and to highlight just one and forget about the rest is not particularly helpful. Its bandwagon jumping at its worst.

Look if you wanna fight discrimination, fair play and do just that. Don`t start bringing in feminism and only concentrating on one facet of discrimination. Personally, this campaign makes me never want to support Trocaire again.

Well, if it's any consolation, the male children these baby girls who are helped have when they grow up will be better off too. Are you against campaigns that highlight discrimination against disabled people and no one else or that fight racism and nothing else too?

The Sparrow · 08-03-2007 4:58pm

DadaKopf wrote:

Gender discrimination . But when statistics say more women are poor than men, it sort of says something about the power of women in society to stand up to discrimination and exploitation..

What if statistics said that blonde female children were poorer than men? Should they then have ran a campaign with just blonde female children?

The Sparrow · 08-03-2007 5:01pm

simu wrote:

Well, if it's any consolation, the male children these baby girls who are helped have when they grow up will be better off too. Are you against campaigns that highlight discrimination against disabled people and no one else or that fight racism and nothing else too?

yes when they are gender specific. thats my point... campaigns against discrimination against disabled people or racism don`t just concentrate on the female or male people that are effected by that discrimination. so if a campaign came out against racism against just males then I would be against that too!

simu · 08-03-2007 5:11pm

So there's no difference between the way men and women are treated worldwide and especially, in the developing world then? I suppose it's all feminist propaganda.:rolleyes:

Degsy · 08-03-2007 5:16pm

DadaKopf wrote:

But when statistics say more women are poor than men

What statistics?You can compile statistical eveidence to back up almost any point of view.Did it not occur to you that the reason the women might be "poor" than men is because in some societies they dont work,they prefer to look after the children..a little bit like in this country thirty years ago.Does it mean the children are better off though?Trocaire can no more change the habits of the human race by scabbing money off the rest of us than oprah winfrey can stop the spread of aids in america.

The Sparrow · 08-03-2007 5:35pm

simu wrote:

So there's no difference between the way men and women are treated worldwide and especially, in the developing world then? I suppose it's all feminist propaganda.:rolleyes:

I`m not saying that.

If somebody is treated badly, they are treated badly. I don`t care why. Try and tackle all of the things that contribute to that not just one facet of it and try and help all of the badly treated people... not just females because it happens more. If they wanted to do a useful thing they could have just aimed it at all suffering to young babies. Would that have been any less impactful?

Villaricos · 08-03-2007 5:56pm

Degsy wrote:

Did it not occur to you that the reason the women might be "poor" than men is because in some societies they dont work,they prefer to look after the children..a little bit like in this country thirty years ago..

I think you might be a little off with the word "prefer" there, which is what is at the centre of this debate, who said women "prefer" to stay at home? You say Irish women did back in the day, but that was the law. the marraige ban remember? you couldnt be a married woman and work, the constitution said your place was at home. Thats whats called gender discrimination.
Women still often dont get the choice in some countries dont get the choices and opportunites afforded to men, thats why today is womens day,thats why theres feminism. Its nothing to do with pushing forward female suffering to the detriment of male suffering, its just highlight one aspect of human suffering due to catergorising people on things they dont decide on such as gender or race.
Im not a raving mad feminist though, and I didnt like the Trocaire Ad, dont know why it just didnt sit right with me

Degsy · 08-03-2007 6:00pm

Villaricos wrote:

Women still often dont get the choice in some countries dont get the choices and opportunites afforded to men, thats why today is womens day,thats why theres feminism.

Is there feminism in africa?I doubt it as its only something that people who have a lot of choice in thier lives can afford to be.Outside of the first world,feminism just isnt practical.

Villaricos · 08-03-2007 6:17pm

Degsy wrote:

Is there feminism in africa?I doubt it as its only something that people who have a lot of choice in thier lives can afford to be.Outside of the first world,feminism just isnt practical.

quite possibly why there are organisations trying to promote it perhaps??

biko · 08-03-2007 6:17pm

Just saw the ad on Sky One. It's good.
Tbh, the anti feminism/equality in this thread is a bit disturbing.

edanto · 08-03-2007 6:27pm

Degsy wrote:

Is there feminism in africa?I doubt it as its only something that people who have a lot of choice in thier lives can afford to be.Outside of the first world,feminism just isnt practical.

Many of the Ashanti tribes in Ghana are matriarchal. Does that count? Actually, never mind.

I'm sure no matter what point I try and make you'll come back with something off the walls.

The trocaire campaign is for equality, not raging feminism. Not bad for an agency funded by the Catholic church.

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