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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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    #1652
    Sky King
    Registered Users Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Spare a thought for Irish opinion journalists if wokeness ever gets any real traction here. They'll have to choose between toeing the line and being social pariahs. And the woke crowd move QUICKLY - there was a social democrat councillor advising award-winning journalist Fintan yesterday on twitter that some of the language he was using was 'outdated'.

    In the same way they run continuing professional development courses for doctors to keep them up to date with the latest thinking in medicine, there'll need to be similar for journalists so they don't commit anachronistic faux pas and become outcasts.

    Looking forward to a trans person being given a catchy nickname and a chapter in David McWilliams's new book.


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    #1653
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Sky King wrote: »
    Spare a thought for Irish opinion journalists if wokeness ever gets any real traction here. They'll have to choose between toeing the line and being social pariahs. And the woke crowd move QUICKLY - there was a social democrat councillor advising award-winning journalist Fintan yesterday on twitter that some of the language he was using was 'outdated'.

    In the same way they run continuing professional development courses for doctors to keep them up to date with the latest thinking in medicine, there'll need to be similar for journalists so they don't commit anachronistic faux pas and become outcasts.

    Looking forward to a trans person being given a catchy nickname and a chapter in David McWilliams's new book.

    The Soc Dems take their faith very seriously


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    #1654
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    On a related note however, I'm sure that there are plenty who go in with those preconceptions or are convinced by them. To make things compatible an idea will form that "Well if it's this bad at the BBC imagine how bad it is everywhere else".
    +1 and even in the BBC it seems to be much more evident in certain parts of it. This stuff is largely a minority view, but appears more a majority one because it's overrepresented in certain arms of the media. Just like Daily Fail/Pox news on t'other side.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1655
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭storker


    Sky King wrote: »
    Spare a thought for Irish opinion journalists if wokeness ever gets any real traction here. They'll have to choose between toeing the line and being social pariahs. And the woke crowd move QUICKLY - there was a social democrat councillor advising award-winning journalist Fintan yesterday on twitter that some of the language he was using was 'outdated'.

    In the same way they run continuing professional development courses for doctors to keep them up to date with the latest thinking in medicine, there'll need to be similar for journalists so they don't commit anachronistic faux pas and become outcasts.

    I've posted this before, but I keep being reminded of it...it's from the account of Captain Blacks Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade in Catch-22. See if you notice any similarities...

    "To Captain Black, every officer who supported his Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade was a competitor, and he planned and plotted twenty-four hours a day to keep one step ahead. He would stand second to none in his devotion to country. When other officers had followed his urging and introduced loyalty oaths of their own, he went them one better by making every son of a bitch who came to his intelligence tent sign two loyalty oaths, then three, then four; then he introduced the pledge of allegiance, and after that ''The Star-Spangled Banner,'' one chorus, two choruses, three choruses, four choruses. Each time Captain Black forged ahead of his competitors, he swung upon them scornfully for their failure to follow his example. Each time they followed his example, he retreated with concern and racked his brain for some new stratagem that would enable him to turn upon them scornfully again[...] The more loyalty oaths a person signed, the more loyal he was; to Captain Black it was as simple as that, and he had Corporal Kolodny sign hundreds with his name each day so that he could always prove he was more loyal than anyone else."


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    #1656
    Gervais08
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    The description on Sky of Trading Places (on mid the funniest movies ever IMO) has nothing about the cast or the story - just trigger warnings of “outdated character depictions” or some shìt.


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    #1657
    Barna77
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    As read on twitter :rolleyes: "gay for pay is homophobic"
    Jesus wept

    (gay for pay refers to straight men working on gay porn)

    As a gay man, I find this getting offended by everything infuriating


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    #1658
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Barna77 wrote: »

    As a gay man, I find this getting offended by everything infuriating

    It's a bit a craic though.

    Chin up.


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    #1659
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Sky King wrote: »

    Looking forward to a trans person being given a catchy nickname and a chapter in David McWilliams's new book.

    Yasmin by the Lee?

    Changeover Charlie?

    Half Time , change sides?


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    #1660
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Barna77 wrote: »
    As read on twitter :rolleyes: "gay for pay is homophobic"
    Jesus wept

    (gay for pay refers to straight men working on gay porn)

    As a gay man, I find this getting offended by everything infuriating

    I love the gay community, spent so long in their company - awesome bunch of lads.

    If ever a group embodied “live and let live” as an ethos - it’s them.

    Wokeus Dei want to leave them alone to get on with things.


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    #1661
    [Deleted User]
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    Gervais08 wrote: »
    I love the gay community, spent so long in their company - awesome bunch of lads.

    If ever a group embodied “live and let live” as an ethos - it’s them.

    Wokeus Dei want to leave them alone to get on with things.

    The problem isn't with gay people themselves. As you said, most just want to "live and let live". They also want to get on with life without needing to be activists or prominent on social media.

    The problem is that there are some gay people who love the attention of social media, want to follow in the steps of feminism (in that they need to campaign endlessly for rights), and the people who 'represent' gay people but aren't gay themselves... the gay community aren't able to tell these people to shut it.

    The other problem is the powerful influence of America, which has a very different kind of gay community, that tends to be far more aggressive in their wants.


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    #1662
    Wibbs
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    Barna77 wrote: »
    As a gay man, I find this getting offended by everything infuriating
    You'll find with this nonsense B it's rare enough it's [insert "oppressed" group here] that are actually the ones whinging. It's far more likely to be a bunch of attention seeking missiles in the shape of online Karens having a whinge and being "offended" on their behalf.
    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Wokeus Dei
    :D:pac::pac:

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #1663
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The problem isn't with gay people themselves. As you said, most just want to "live and let live". They also want to get on with life without needing to be activists or prominent on social media.

    The problem is that there are some gay people who love the attention of social media, want to follow in the steps of feminism (in that they need to campaign endlessly for rights), and the people who 'represent' gay people but aren't gay themselves... the gay community aren't able to tell these people to shut it.

    The other problem is the powerful influence of America, which has a very different kind of gay community, that tends to be far more aggressive in their wants.

    About a year ago I was heading to the George for a few, had a bad day and said “****e day, my queens will help like always”.

    Scolded by the Social Democrat fundraiser with pronouns on her business card for my “casual homophobia”.

    High fived by my gay as Christmas colleague who said “if you write it down we prefer kweenz honey”.

    Duly noted!!!


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    #1664
    sbsquarepants
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The problem isn't with gay people themselves. As you said, most just want to "live and let live". They also want to get on with life without needing to be activists or prominent on social media.


    It's almost as if gay people are just like straight people, only gayer.:D


    I think of all the mind bendingly stupid shít any of us will ever experience, this (i have to suspect at least) new state of getting offended on behalf of others, who may not even be offended themselves, takes the biscuit.


    There is no more idiotic state of being, than being offended on anothers behalf. Seriously, do these fúckwits not have any real problems to worry about?


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    #1665
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭storker


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Wokeus Dei

    Brilliant. Prepare to be plagiarised.


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    #1666
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭storker


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    It's almost as if gay people are just like straight people, only gayer.:D

    I've always assumed that gay people are hard-working, lazy, honest, dishonest, nice, nasty, intelligent, thick, altruistic, selfish, etc, in pretty much the same ratio as everyone else.

    This conferring of pseudo-sainthood on people who happen to fall into a certain category be it gay, disabled, whatever, has always struck me as a bit patronising.


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    #1667
    [Deleted User]
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    There is no more idiotic state of being, than being offended on anothers behalf. Seriously, do these fúckwits not have any real problems to worry about?

    I suspect by taking on other peoples problems, they get to ignore, defer or minimize their own.


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    #1668
    Gervais08
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    storker wrote: »
    Brilliant. Prepare to be plagiarised.

    I read it somewhere myself - it deserves to be spread far and wide tho!!!


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    #1669
    [Deleted User]
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    Gervais08 wrote: »

    Wokeus Dei


    Oh Bravo sir/madam


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    #1670
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭storker


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    I read it somewhere myself - it deserves to be spread far and wide tho!!!

    And while it's a great pun, it's also much more than that because the mindsets are so similar - joyless parroting of orthodoxy combined with a disdain for logic and science.


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    #1671
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Gervais08 wrote: »

    Wokeus Dei want to leave them alone to get on with things.

    Nice.


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    #1672
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    storker wrote: »
    And while it's a great pun, it's also much more than that because the mindsets are so similar - joyless parroting of orthodoxy combined with a disdain for logic and science.

    .....and most importantly, humour!


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    #1673
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Sky news are running a report this week that says one of the reasons black people are severely under-represented in pro swimming is because of their thick afro hair and standard swimming caps don't fit. I would have thought cutting your hair would be a solution to this problem but I suppose doing that would be discriminatory to hair.

    There are other sports where black people are very under represented, the reasons for a couple of these are kind of obvious, the others not so much.

    Snooker, darts, Formula 1,2,3 (motorsports in general), skiing, ice hockey (up to fairly recently), horse racing, show jumping, bowling


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    #1674
    retalivity
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    The Soc Dems take their faith very seriously

    I had high hopes for them when they came along, as Murphy & Shortall (even Donnelly before he jumped ship) seemed like stand-up honest politicians with integrity, and were a welcome change to the old FF/FG/SF/Lab chicanery. However, they seem to have been hijacked and disappeared so far up their own holes in pursuit of the holy grail of virtue signalling.


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    #1675
    Invidious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There are other sports where black people are very under represented, the reasons for a couple of these are kind of obvious, the others not so much.

    Snooker, darts, Formula 1,2,3 (motorsports in general), skiing, ice hockey (up to fairly recently), horse racing, show jumping, bowling

    And black people are enormously over-represented in other sports, such as American football, basketball, athletics, boxing, etc. About three-quarters of professional basketball players in the USA are African American. Maybe they just gravitate towards some sports and away from others?


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    #1676
    storker
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    Invidious wrote: »
    And black people are enormously over-represented in other sports, such as American football, basketball, athletics, boxing, etc. About three-quarters of professional basketball players in the USA are African American. Maybe they just gravitate towards some sports and away from others?

    You mean like how women often tend to gravitate towards some careers and away from others? B-b-b-but...systemic racism & patriarchy!


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    #1677
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    storker wrote: »
    This conferring of pseudo-sainthood on people who happen to fall into a certain category be it gay, disabled, whatever, has always struck me as a bit patronising.


    Absolutely, gay people are..... white people are.... black people are, it's total bullshít.

    The only thing black people necessarily have in common with each other is their skin colour, the only thing gay people necessarily have in common is their sexual preference (sorry - not allowed use that word anymore).

    If the only thing you have in common with me is our skin colour or sexual preference then we have very little in common!
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I suspect by taking on other peoples problems, they get to ignore, defer or minimize their own.

    Possibly, but to be honest i really do think a lot of these people just have no real problems of their own. They spend their days reading about how cruel and oppressive the world is and they just can't reconcile that with the very easy lives they live so they need to be downtrodden by proxy or something. It's quite bizarre!


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    #1678
    JustAThought
    Registered Users Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    No doubt in countries like the US & others there are massive inequalities and poverty divides between people of different colour/backgrounds and prejudices towards different ethnic groups.

    Here I think all the political correctness is working against them - as shown to the (many barred/deleted) comments from the ‘representation’ on the toy show people are getting tired of the mass population and shared cultural background of the majority being ignored in favour of token gestures towards obscure and non representitive tiny minorities.

    As for having a representitive on a small focus group or committee - total democracy suicide as prevailing fears would have every other voice and vote ignored in favour of perceived political correctness. The whole thing in Ireland has got out of hand and now is being quietly slapped down for that reason.


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    #1679
    Rothko
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    storker wrote: »
    I've always assumed that gay people are hard-working, lazy, honest, dishonest, nice, nasty, intelligent, thick, altruistic, selfish, etc, in pretty much the same ratio as everyone else.

    This conferring of pseudo-sainthood on people who happen to fall into a certain category be it gay, disabled, whatever, has always struck me as a bit patronising.

    Not just patronising but also dehumanising on a certain level.


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    #1680
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    km991148 wrote: »
    Don't shoot me down here, but I would be genuinely interested in hearing this. I'm interested in first hand accounts of problems like this in the media.
    Any idea at all where you heard this or what her name waa or anything?

    I’ll try and find it!


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    #1681
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,296 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The problem isn't with gay people themselves. As you said, most just want to "live and let live". They also want to get on with life without needing to be activists or prominent on social media.

    The problem is that there are some gay people who love the attention of social media, want to follow in the steps of feminism (in that they need to campaign endlessly for rights), and the people who 'represent' gay people but aren't gay themselves... the gay community aren't able to tell these people to shut it.

    The other problem is the powerful influence of America, which has a very different kind of gay community, that tends to be far more aggressive in their wants.

    The last time I was in a gay bar in Dublin some years ago a friend introduced me to a female friend of his. After the introductions she asked me if I was into politics (forget exactly how she worded it) which I though was a bit forward at that early stage. I responded with something like oh no I leave all that to others, not my thing and got back to having the craic which is what I went there for.

    Years later it still bugs me she asked me that, clearly she was trying to decide which box to put me in. Also it made me mourn the good ole days when gay bars were boarded up with only men inside :D , and not gay society bars. Back in those days there was far more reason to be political which is kinda ironic.

    km991148 wrote: »
    Don't shoot me down here, but I would be genuinely interested in hearing this. I'm interested in first hand accounts of problems like this in the media.
    Any idea at all where you heard this or what her name waa or anything?

    Ratatatatatatatata


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