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03-11-2020, 18:14   #106
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Not sure - he had mentioned it before but that may have been before he thought it was actually a real possibility!!!!
Could you ask your current housemate that you've shared with for some time, if they'd consider the two of you leaving and renting a 2 bed place between you?

It might be a bit more expensive, but at least you know you'll get on.

That might shake up your current landlord, too, if he is losing two long term tenants because he won't deal with one new one.
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All of Purple Mountain's advice is excellent, the only thing I'd say is don't even put the option of him paying rent or a share of the bills on the table, all that does is legitimises his position if they accept. He moves out, end of.

Seriously, OP, it's time to grow a spine and for you and the other tenant to put on a united front. I genuinely have no idea why you would consider moving out before you've both even spoken properly to the woman.
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03-11-2020, 20:59   #108
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Very disappointing but that's life I suppose. I guess I've been pretty fortunate over the past few years having had good housemates up until this point.

Also disappointing is there seems to be very little available at the moment that would suit (I kinda need a decent sized bedroom as I work from home 50% of the time, but also somewhere relatively close to work so I can be onsite when I'm called in the other 50%). Even one bed apartments/bedsits are like hens teeth and the ones I've seen online charge a small fortune for very very little.
I'm really surprised that you've gone from wanting the new tenant to go/change, to considering moving yourself. It would appear from the thread that you've been happy in your home up til now. What does your existing flatmate think of it all? Is there a way to make the new tenant fit better (ground rules sound like a good start)? A week is no time to have thrown in the towel yourself!
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All of Purple Mountain's advice is excellent, the only thing I'd say is don't even put the option of him paying rent or a share of the bills on the table, all that does is legitimises his position if they accept. He moves out, end of.

Seriously, OP, it's time to grow a spine and for you and the other tenant to put on a united front. I genuinely have no idea why you would consider moving out before you've both even spoken properly to the woman.
I fully agree with it. As you've mentioned before there is one free bedroom now. So he can take this room, pay rent and bills. Because otherwise you will end up with 5 people living in the house with 1 bathroom instead of 4.

Leaving is the last option, which will stay open for you. I would keep an eye on Daft in case you will have to move out eventually. But then you will well know, what is available out there. So you will easier choose.

If you leave without a fight, you will feel defeated. It is not worth it. Give it a good try first.
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03-11-2020, 21:55   #110
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You should look at your tenancy agreement,
Is there not a rule against subletting,
Eg that woman maybe a tenant she has No
right to move in a boyfriend unless he, s on the tenancy agreement and she has permission from the landlord especially in the time of covid.
Does the landlord care or know how bad it is
in the house,
I would say he can stay x no of days a week, keep the noise down,
No random friends or visitors allowed

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03-11-2020, 22:47   #111
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OP - it seems that you gave an ultimatum thinking your LL would evict the new flatmates and have convinced yourself that as you have ‘lost’ you are now going to move despite whatever inconvenience to yourself and your comfort. You will have these problems to a greater or lesser degree anywhere you share - only with possibly less financial convenience and comfort to yourself. If the teething problems with noise and smoking have been ironed out then perhaps you could consider drawing your horns in and accepting the change and the inconvenience of compromise. Your initial posts demanding that the be evicted and wanting the details of how you could throw these new people out on the street without a confab or house meeting were really shocking. I’m sure you wouldn’t like to be treated this way yourself when you move in somewhere new and bang around a bit and have a few people over to help you carry stuff and make you feel welcome. How would you like it ? It dosn’t speak well for kindness or negotiation or communication or basic compassion.
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03-11-2020, 23:42   #112
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Completely unreasonable to infer that OP came on here 'demanding they be evicted'. OP came on here looking for advice about the situation, asking if she was within her rights to approach the LL about terminating the tenancy and nearly every other poster replied with 'get rid of her' or something to that effect.

Let's be clear, the new housemate was in the wrong here, and having a go at OP does not help her.

OP, I can understand you're probably feeling a bit defeated with the situation. Best case scenario for you I guess was the LL was going to take everything you said at face value and just tell the new housemate to pack her things? But that was never really going to happen, eviction ban and all that. Even though she's in the wrong, she still needs the opportunity to rectify the situation, and she can only do that if she has been informed of what's expected of her as a tenant in the household. I think both you, your other housemate and the LL all have some level of responsibility to do that. Some of that has already happened, but the full extent of the issues have not been disclosed to her.

By all means, have a look at what your options for moving are, maybe you'll find somewhere that suits. It's tough in the rental market but you do find some gems if you look hard enough. This isn't a matter of life or death so you have time to see what's available and make your mind up.

In the meantime, you will still need to have a frank conversation with your housemates so that you can live in relative harmony. I get it, I've house shared with my fair share of inconsiderate people before, and she came in like a bull in a china shop and it's after upsetting your home environment. All the things you've mentioned I've also experienced; smoking in non smoking gaff, unannounced guests overstaying their non-existent welcomes, moving my bike out the back, moving my kitchen stuff off the counter and putting it in the press!! I've also had to be the one to force everyone to sit down and have that uncomfortable conversation about what is and isn't acceptable in a shared living space. If it's not done, or people aren't gently reminded when they're being a bit inconsiderate, resentments build and your home life becomes poisoned by toxicity, which is ultimately more stressful.

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On second thought, just show her this thread.
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On second thought, just show her this thread.
Y - and the can count the amount of times in the forst few questions asked by the OP n how she can quickly have them evicted,
see the OP’s disappointment at learning they will have 29 days before she can have them thrown out, and read on and on about how she tried to deal them a bad hand behind their backs while they were cleaning the house, hoovering the common areas, buying logs and briquettes for the fires in the common rooms, apologising for moving her bike from the hall and generally making an effort. They’ll have a fair idea of what they are sharing with then and the sneeky militant
mindset where share is the last thing on the agenda. I hope noone ever
treats her as badly as she tried to treat
them. Agreed they shouldn’t smoke - or make noise at night - but when someone moves in there is always a disruption phase and negotiating or explaining the house rules - not bitching about them behind their backs to the ll without even speaking on the issues to them and ferreting about trying to have them summarily thrown out.
Nasty.
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04-11-2020, 00:26   #115
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OP - it seems that you gave an ultimatum thinking your LL would evict the new flatmates and have convinced yourself that as you have ‘lost’ you are now going to move despite whatever inconvenience to yourself and your comfort.
Not new flatmates.

One new flatmate - singular - who has had her freeloading boyfriend stay overnight every night since she moved in.

He is not an official flatmate.
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This is a common problem, woman moves in, as a tenant, her boyfriend moves in as an flatmate who pays no rent,
That's why most tenancy agreements have a clause no subletting no person can live in the house apart from the person's named on the agreement
There's no easy solution here
It sounds as if you will find it hard to find a new place
for the same price as where you live now that's close to where you work
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Is there any update OP?
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12-11-2020, 01:45   #118
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1 - send a (written) letter to your LL to say there is a sublet
2 - offer your opinion there is a risk due to the additional unauthorised sublet
3 - state that you are taking no responsibility for the sublet in the event of an insurance claim
4 - post a copy of the letter to the PRTB
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