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Football Championship Restructuring Idea

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  • #102
    ArnoldJRimmer
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    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    No format can solve the problem Dublin's dominance.

    Well having them play the league in the summer will at least guarantee some decent games, much more than another turkey shoot in Leinster


  • #103
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »
    Well having them play the league in the summer will at least guarantee some decent games, much more than another turkey shoot in Leinster

    Agreed but the Provincials are set to remain at senior level.

    Personally, I'd go for two tiers of 16. Both tiers are split into two pools of 8. The top two teams in each pool go into the All-Ireland semi-finals. The bottom two teams in Tier 1 are relegated to Tier 2. The 7th placed teams go into a play-off for the third relegation spot. The top two teams in Tier 2 are promoted to Tier 1. The second and third placed teams go into the play-offs for the third promotion spot.

    For example:

    Tier 1

    Monaghan, Galway, Dublin, Mayo, Donegal, Laois, Clare, and Kildare.

    Tier 2

    Cavan, Westmeath, Roscommon, Kerry, Armagh, Fermanagh, Meath, and Tyrone.


  • #104
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    The Provincials aren't going anywhere. I don't think that moving Louth into Ulster will be too controversial. The county has strong links with its neighbours in Ulster. The provinces should adopt a round-robin format. Every county has at least 4 or 5 games against a mix of opposition.

    Top two teams in Connacht and Munster contest their provincial final. Top 2 teams in Ulster and Leinster go into their provincial semi-finals. The provincial champions go into the All-Ireland semi-finals.

    I thought that proposal meant they wouldnt be involved in the AI?


  • #105
    Hawkeye9212
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    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    I thought that proposal meant they wouldnt be involved in the AI?

    They won't but I can't see the Div 1 sides agreeing to allow Div 3 and 4 an easier route into the All-Ireland series.


  • #106
    recyclebin
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    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    They won't but I can't see the Div 1 sides agreeing to allow Div 3 and 4 an easier route into the All-Ireland series.

    Yes, this makes no sense at all. And I know my own Laois benefited from something similar in the hurling when they won the Joe McDonagh to get to an all Ireland quarter final.


  • #107
    Hawkeye9212
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    ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »
    Adopting a format whereby there are group stages in the provincials won't solve the GAA's biggest problem right now, which is Dublins dominance. The Leinster championship would still be as farcical as it is today. Munster is not too far behind, I don't see anyone beating Kerry for the next number of years.

    Jim McGuinness's proposal from a few years ago remains the best in my opinion. Similar to option 2 in that article, except the provincial winners are guaranteed top tier, then it goes by league placings. Its usually the top teams that win them, but it gives every team a chance to play in the top tier competition in that year

    Looked at his proposal again. It's better than anything proposed so far and can easily be altered if the Provincials are scrapped at some point in the future.

    I've done up an example based on 2019 below:

    Provincial Champions

    Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, and Roscommon.

    League

    Mayo, Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan, Meath, Cavan, Fermanagh, Kildare, Armagh, Clare, and Westmeath.

    Tier 2 Champions (if held in 2018)

    Offaly

    All-Ireland Play-Offs

    Home and away decided upon by a coin toss. Dublin could potentially head to Sligo if they won the Tier 2 Championship.

    Tier 2 Championship

    Tier 2 will be straight knockout. Games will be held as curtain raisers to Tier 1 games.


  • #108
    threeball
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    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    They won't but I can't see the Div 1 sides agreeing to allow Div 3 and 4 an easier route into the All-Ireland series.

    Whoever suggested that needs their head examined. Can you imagine bringing that proposal to any other sporting organisation in the world and have it be taken seriously. We are going to take your 25th best team and have them leapfrog your 5th best just because.

    Why can't they just do the simple thing which that proposal almost gets to. Play the provincials as the warm up comps, league as the main comp with 3 divisions and if you're in the top two divisions come the end of the league you go into a straight knockout all ireland. Division 3 teams play for a 2nd tier all ireland. 4 to 5 games from the end of the league and the all ireland is wrapped up. No back doors, unfair leap frogging, people complaining that they didn't have a chance to get to play in the all ireland series. Everyone has a chance and its completely fair.

    Do that and then start looking at addressing the funding imbalances. It would also be a great package to sell to TV companies.


  • #109
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    threeball wrote: »
    Whoever suggested that needs their head examined. Can you imagine bringing that proposal to any other sporting organisation in the world and have it be taken seriously. We are going to take your 25th best team and have them leapfrog your 5th best just because.

    Why can't they just do the simple thing which that proposal almost gets to. Play the provincials as the warm up comps, league as the main comp with 3 divisions and if you're in the top two divisions come the end of the league you go into a straight knockout all ireland. Division 3 teams play for a 2nd tier all ireland. 4 to 5 games from the end of the league and the all ireland is wrapped up. No back doors, unfair leap frogging, people complaining that they didn't have a chance to get to play in the all ireland series. Everyone has a chance and its completely fair.

    Do that and then start looking at addressing the funding imbalances. It would also be a great package to sell to TV companies.

    I can't see the Provincials being relegated to preseason competitions. The provincial councils have too much power.

    I would take a modified version of Jim's proposal. Reduce the League to three divisions of 10, 12, and 10. Top 8 in Div 1 and Top 4 in Div 2 plus the provincial champions. That leaves us with 4 more rounds to decide the All-Ireland Champions.


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