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Now ye're talking - to a Rugby Journalist

  • 04-03-2019 1:41pm
    #1
    Boards.ie: Niamh
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    With the Six Nations final coming up in less than two weeks, we thought we'd ask one of the journalists from The42.ie in to answer all of your Six Nations related questions.

    Please welcome Sean Farrell to the AMA forum. Sean has been writing rugby-related articles for The42.ie for a number of years now so he has lots of knowledge and insights to share.

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  • #2
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    What are your personal thoughts on the new proposal from World Rugby for the new 12 team World League?

    Also, do you think the gap between the North and Southern Hemisphere has closed significantly compared to 10 years ago?


  • #3
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Are you sick of going to matches at this stage?

    You know, when you do something for fun, its great; when you do something for work, it can get a bit boring.


  • #4
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I'm sure there is pressure within the industry to be the first person with the big story or breaking news. We've seen a number of times now where there has been misinformation being purported as accurate only to be contradicted thereafter most recently with Joey Carbery being reported as out for the entire 6N (and possibly the European quarter final) only for Joe Schmidt to inform all that he's due back full training this week.

    To your knowledge, do journalists deliberately take liberties by making assumptions in their efforts to get the scoop or are they being fed red herrings by those within the game?

    Also, following the bizarre stand off last year between the Irish coaching team and the RWI journalists, has there been any long term damage to the relationship between the two sides? Do you feel the actions of Joe Schmidt were justified to cancel the media huddle at that point?


  • #5
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    What's your opinion on PEDs and do you think there's a cause for concern in rugby regarding them?


  • #6
    LuckyGent88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    Do you think there are serious questions to be asked about Felix Jones’s performance as attack coach with Munster?

    We are extremely poor in this part of the game. Constantly fail to turn possession/territory into points. Last weekend being a prime example.


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  • #7
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    ROG or Sexton?


  • #8
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    is murray kinsella so anal with everything in life?


  • #9
    Mike Oxlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Mike Oxlong


    Do you think the stance by the IRFU to not select players playing abroad is slightly detrimental to the team.
    Should this unofficial rule be abandoned now?
    With the World League comeing into effect, all the power will be with the national sides......possibly less club games, more central contracts wanted by provinces...
    Selection of non Ireland based players won't lead to floods of players leaving as before thought as it won't be financially beneficial anymore?


  • #10
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,626 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    You’re at an IRFU press conference. All the great and the good from the sports press are there. What’s the stupidest question anyone has asked? (No need to name names). :P


  • #11
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    What’s your opinion on drug testing at Senior club level and International level.

    Personally, I think the blinkers that people have on in regards to juicing in rugby is beyond a joke.


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  • #12
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Zzippy wrote: »
    ROG or Sexton?

    BANNED


  • #13
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Is it frustrating when you work like mad to get a reputation and experience and have the likes of Neil Francis (and to a lesser extent Luke Fitzgerald) click baiting for the sake of it?


  • #14
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Don't you think Rugby would be a better sport with 13 a side, and set of six tackles, no line outs, much quicker game etc etc. :)

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #15
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Journalists don't have a great reputation. Mostly not in the sports area in fairness. How low would you sink to get a story? Are there any areas you'd consider off limits?


  • #16
    troyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Don't you think Rugby would be a better sport with 13 a side, and set of six tackles, no line outs, much quicker game etc etc. :)

    Be gone foul league demon.


  • #17
    kuang1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭kuang1


    If you're interviewing someone and they ask you to not include something in your article that they've just revealed to you, what do you do?

    e.g. You're in a sit down with Schmidt and he says "Yeah our squad has a good make up from the 4 provinces, it's a good balance.

    Although I'll always prefer the Leinster lads over the rest coz they shower more often.

    Eh you might leave that last part out Sean!"


  • #18
    Mr.Maroon
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Mr.Maroon


    With such low participation figures and poor grassroots support - while the provinces and national team get big crowds.

    Is rugby the ultimate bandwagon sport in Ireland?


  • #19
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    What are your personal thoughts on the new proposal from World Rugby for the new 12 team World League?

    Also, do you think the gap between the North and Southern Hemisphere has closed significantly compared to 10 years ago?

    I think it's riddled with pitfalls, unfortunately.

    The problem of shutting Georgia and the Pacific nations out of the top tournaments in their hemisphere was already a serious problem. For that then to be (nearly) rubber-stamped with USA and Japan lumped in for their potential TV markets was borderline farcical.

    Even if there is promotion-relegation, I think the annual tournament would massively detract from the World Cup too, because I'm not sure we'd be salivating at the prospect of seeing how a leading nation can deal with weakened tier 2 nations after seeing them regularly contest a best-in-the-world title for the three years previously.

    As for a gap between north and south, I'd say yes, but it's hard to measure these things... the top four from each would give one another a good game at least.


  • #20
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Is Rugby now the peoples sport?


  • #21
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    razorblunt wrote: »
    What's your opinion on PEDs and do you think there's a cause for concern in rugby regarding them?

    I'd say every sport should be concerned, because whether the goal people are chasing is a contract, funding or just acclaim for being the pride of the parish there must be a temptation to cut corners when trying to get bigger-stronger-faster.

    In rugby terms in Ireland, there is so much centralised control with the IRFU and the provinces that I feel they are really well-placed to have a tight control on supplements and nutrition for players - from sub-academy schoolboys through to senior pros.


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  • #22
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    The42.ie: Sean wrote: »
    I'd say every sport should be concerned, because whether the goal people are chasing is a contract, funding or just acclaim for being the pride of the parish there must be a temptation to cut corners when trying to get bigger-stronger-faster.

    In rugby terms in Ireland, there is so much centralised control with the IRFU and the provinces that I feel they are really well-placed to have a tight control on supplements and nutrition for players - from sub-academy schoolboys through to senior pros.

    In Johnny Holland’s AMA he said he was never once tested whilst playing for Munster or wasn’t aware of anyone else being tested at the club.


  • #23
    troyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Assuming this World League doesn't go ahead (it won't, spoilers), how long until SANZAAR breaks?

    Argentina are broke, so is Australia where the sport is dying with no grassroots, South Africa's ongoing economic crisis and resulting player exodus will be made worse by SARU's recent selection ruling. New Zealand are fine on the surface, but soon they might have nobody to play and they are losing young All Blacks with higher and higher profiles every year.

    So, when is the reckoning? By the 2027 world cup? Shall the North inherit the Earth?


  • #24
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Don't you think Rugby would be a better sport with 13 a side, and set of six tackles, no line outs, much quicker game etc etc. :)

    Doesn't sound like that would ever catch on :cool:


  • #25
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What do you think of the standard of refereeing in world rugby at present?


  • #26
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Hi Sean,

    Thanks for doing this AMA. Have a few (sorry, quite a few!) questions for you:

    What do you think of the Pro 14 conference system? Do you think the fixture lists are balanced, particularly looking at the Irish derbies compared to other national derbies? And is further expansion feasible?

    Does the player welfare system do a disservice to the league as teams send second string sides? We've seen some absolute thumpings (early rounds this season, particularly Munster's flip-flopping form, and the only team capable of doing so and getting wins is Leinster's U8s), and then facts like Sexton playing in Thomond for the first time in five (?) years this year!

    On the subject of player welfare, we've heard that some Irish players haven't played enough rugby recently. We're also seeing an injury crisis in certain key positions. Is it just bad luck that players are getting injured in a Murphy's Law type scenario (I know rugby is a physical sport) and bad timing that a couple of players are not hitting the same highs. Have we gotten the balancing act wrong? Should players actually be playing more?

    Do you think New Zealand used the November series to gather data - they played the blitz defence, played a much narrower game against Ireland than they would have typically up to the 60/70min mark - with one eye on the World Cup regardless of results?

    🤪



  • #27
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Rugby in Ireland in the past 15 or so years...the triumph of marketing over reason. Discuss.


  • #28
    Gonad
    Registered Users Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Gonad


    Are there any great comments that you remember stand out from the The 42 comments section ?


  • #29
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Are you going to Japan ? If so, will you take the opportunity to go Sumo Wrestling and maybe sing some Karaoke?


  • #30
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    kuang1 wrote: »
    If you're interviewing someone and they ask you to not include something in your article that they've just revealed to you, what do you do?

    Or is it the reverse and it's hard to get anything of interest, given that they seem to be media trained to the point of blandness? e.g. how many times are you told they're "taking it one match at a time"?


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  • #31
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Eoin wrote: »
    Or is it the reverse and it's hard to get anything of interest, given that they seem to be media trained to the point of blandness? e.g. how many times are you told they're "taking it one match at a time"?

    And to build on this, is this why we're seeing broadcasters attempt to catch players/management at times (immediately at half time for players, while game is in progress for coaches) when their guard may be lower?

    🤪



  • #32
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Pter wrote: »
    Are you sick of going to matches at this stage?

    You know, when you do something for fun, its great; when you do something for work, it can get a bit boring.

    You're dead right, even dream jobs become regular jobs when you do them long enough. Going to matches is still a highlight, but there are definitely some games which don't get the blood pumping as much as others.

    For instance, I've some schools cup semi-finals to look forward to this week and while the rugby will be more than decent, my seat will be planted midway between two sets of schoolkids armed with drums, loudspeakers and roughly five songs to be stretched over the course of almost two hours.


  • #33
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    callaway92 wrote: »
    In Johnny Holland’s AMA he said he was never once tested whilst playing for Munster or wasn’t aware of anyone else being tested at the club.

    I didn't see that, that's really interesting. Though my point about provinces controlling what goes into a player stands.

    It's hard to come up with a number of tests and say, 'that's enough'.

    Sport Ireland would oversee the testing that does get done and there are also tests which would take place after Pro14, European and international matches.


  • #34
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    jay0109 wrote: »
    Rugby in Ireland in the past 15 or so years...the triumph of marketing over reason. Discuss.

    I'd say there is a strong reason behind rugby's growth here and, in a way, the people who had to market the game got a huge slice of luck because the first real professional generation of players who came through were seriously good.

    Munster in the Heineken Cup also played a massive role in bringing the game to a wider audience than the traditional hotbeds.

    There is something deeply ingrained in us that is drawn to seeing an Irish team take on and beat English opposition. Other sports just can't provide that regularly.

    Would be interested in hearing the case for marketing though.


  • #35
    Shelflife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Have you read the law book in its entirety? Do you think that journalists and commentators have a duty to know the laws of the game they write about ?


  • #36
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Buer wrote: »
    I'm sure there is pressure within the industry to be the first person with the big story or breaking news. We've seen a number of times now where there has been misinformation being purported as accurate only to be contradicted thereafter most recently with Joey Carbery being reported as out for the entire 6N (and possibly the European quarter final) only for Joe Schmidt to inform all that he's due back full training this week.

    To your knowledge, do journalists deliberately take liberties by making assumptions in their efforts to get the scoop or are they being fed red herrings by those within the game?

    Also, following the bizarre stand off last year between the Irish coaching team and the RWI journalists, has there been any long term damage to the relationship between the two sides? Do you feel the actions of Joe Schmidt were justified to cancel the media huddle at that point?

    I'd definitely say there are no liberties in assumptions being made. In general, if you have a story from a good source then you'll trust it while also trying to get a second source to back it up.

    Injuries are tough though. Some time-lines given by teams could be over-cautious or under-playing an injury, while different players heal at different rates, or maybe a lad's hamstring responded to ice and a massage way better than anyone expected. It's only when they take the field you know for sure how fit they are.

    As for Schmidt and the press, it feels like he has been gradually cutting down media access time since he took the job, but it's hard to feel he doesn't have the priorities in order. Cancelling the huddle was a mess, but I don't think there is any ill will held over it. He's an unreal rugby coach.


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  • #37
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    Hi Sean,

    Thanks for doing this AMA. Have a few (sorry, quite a few!) questions for you:

    What do you think of the Pro 14 conference system? Do you think the fixture lists are balanced, particularly looking at the Irish derbies compared to other national derbies? And is further expansion feasible?

    Does the player welfare system do a disservice to the league as teams send second string sides? We've seen some absolute thumpings (early rounds this season, particularly Munster's flip-flopping form, and the only team capable of doing so and getting wins is Leinster's U8s), and then facts like Sexton playing in Thomond for the first time in five (?) years this year!

    On the subject of player welfare, we've heard that some Irish players haven't played enough rugby recently. We're also seeing an injury crisis in certain key positions. Is it just bad luck that players are getting injured in a Murphy's Law type scenario (I know rugby is a physical sport) and bad timing that a couple of players are not hitting the same highs. Have we gotten the balancing act wrong? Should players actually be playing more?

    Do you think New Zealand used the November series to gather data - they played the blitz defence, played a much narrower game against Ireland than they would have typically up to the 60/70min mark - with one eye on the World Cup regardless of results?

    Jaysus, Sabre.;)

    I really like the Pro14 conference system. Only issue would be there is an imbalance between home and away fixtures and there are sometimes off situations where teams don't care about letting a team in for a losing bonus point because they're in different conferences - though that can be a positive for attacking rugby. European qualification is problematic too with South Africans not eligible, though neither SA team is very good this year.

    Inter-pros are good and really good for Ireland, do you want more or less of them?

    Player management on the whole is good, but yeah, it can devalue a fair few Pro14 games along the way. But, like Sexton going to Thomond, there are still some very feisty matches to see through the season.

    Should players be playing more? It's such a punishing game at the top level that the rest periods out of the firing line are vital. So it's a case-by-case thing really. A lot of younger players get released from their province to play a good standard of AIL rugby. I'd like to see much more of that.

    NZ are cute hoors. But I don't think they were holding too much back. They may have just been in a poor run of form at the end of a long season. They came within a whisker of losing to England before coming over and losing to us.


  • #38
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Eoin wrote: »
    Or is it the reverse and it's hard to get anything of interest, given that they seem to be media trained to the point of blandness? e.g. how many times are you told they're "taking it one match at a time"?

    In fairness, most players are aware enough to know when they're trotting out a cliche and they might do it with a bit of tongue in cheek.

    Interviews are often a struggle between journalists asking about emotions and feelings while players want to stick 100% to the process.

    But cliches are cliches for a reason. If a player is taking it one game at a time and telling us about the fine margins, it's because they believe that's the best way to bring about a win from a performance psychology point of view.

    Although, I've had some players say they deliberately mention longer-term targets on the record as a kind of goal-setting exercise. A step above writing it down and sticking it on their fridge door, a statement made that they have to then go and back up.


  • #39
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I'm always keen to know how much time journalists spend on forums such as these.

    Would yourselves at the 42 or your colleagues from other publications spend much time on Boards/ Reddit/ Munster or Leinster fans?

    While there's an awful lot of ****e here, I have seen news and rumours started also.

    Would forums such as these be a go to for Rugby Journalists?


  • #40
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Mr.Maroon wrote: »
    With such low participation figures and poor grassroots support - while the provinces and national team get big crowds.

    Is rugby the ultimate bandwagon sport in Ireland?

    Be gone foul soccer/GAA demon!


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Which is the worst monger? Fish, iron, rumour or war?


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  • #42
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    The club game and youths(clubs) game face some major issues in terms of promotion/marketing etc
    What do you think is needed to help get more people interested in both these areas of the game.


  • #43
    Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Employee Posts: 12,597 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Community Manager


    callaway92 wrote: »
    In Johnny Holland’s AMA he said he was never once tested whilst playing for Munster or wasn’t aware of anyone else being tested at the club.
    The42.ie: Sean wrote: »
    I didn't see that, that's really interesting. Though my point about provinces controlling what goes into a player stands.

    It's hard to come up with a number of tests and say, 'that's enough'.

    Sport Ireland would oversee the testing that does get done and there are also tests which would take place after Pro14, European and international matches.

    Just for reference you can find Jonny Holland's AMA here if anyone wants to read it. He did it in January 2018.

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  • #44
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    The42.ie: Sean wrote: »
    I didn't see that, that's really interesting. Though my point about provinces controlling what goes into a player stands.

    It's hard to come up with a number of tests and say, 'that's enough'.

    Sport Ireland would oversee the testing that does get done and there are also tests which would take place after Pro14, European and international matches.

    This is exactly the attitude that I'd suspect is prevalent in sports journalism. Basically no interest in doping as a story, happy to assume it's all fine. While I agree that ewan McKenna and paul kimmage can be annoying when talking about it, I'd be amazed if they're not correct about the majority of it. Even David Walsh seems fed up of it now and doesn't seem to want the hassle of pursuing team sky. Cycling and athletics are known to be full of drugs, but I'd be amazed if the majority of (in particular) professional sports are not riddled with drug taking. I'd say a lot of it is abuse of TUEs. And if it's not a genuine TUE, it's no better than straightforward use of banned substances.

    So my question - would you say that sports journalists in general don't actually want that story? I imagine it could make getting access to players and clubs more difficult, you'd get typecast as the journalist only interested in doping and sensationalising it, it ruins all the positive stories about whatever team winning the Heineken cup, etc. It just seems to me to be in your interest to ignore it.


  • #45
    E mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭E mac


    Is this thread over already?


  • #46
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    To be fair it's been a ridiculously busy week for rugby news.....


  • #47
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    I'm always keen to know how much time journalists spend on forums such as these.

    Would yourselves at the 42 or your colleagues from other publications spend much time on Boards/ Reddit/ Munster or Leinster fans?

    While there's an awful lot of ****e here, I have seen news and rumours started also.

    Would forums such as these be a go to for Rugby Journalists?


    As some of you have noticed by the long gap between my answers, for me personally the answer is not a lot.


  • #48
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which is the worst monger? Fish, iron, rumour or war?

    War for sure.


  • #49
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    And to build on this, is this why we're seeing broadcasters attempt to catch players/management at times (immediately at half time for players, while game is in progress for coaches) when their guard may be lower?

    In part, yeah. I'd say there is a difference between a player when their heart-rate is up and they're just off the field Vs when they've meandered down a corridor with notes to face the microphones.

    I think broadcasters (did it start in Aus /NZ with Fox maybe?) like the optics of having their reporter on the field having the first word with a player. They've paid big bucks for broadcast rights, but I don't think I've seen anyone get value for money from one of those mid-game interviews.


  • #50
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Given the level of perpetual blandness that exists in the modern game, is it fair to say that we are still missing Simon Geoghegan ?


  • #51
    The42.ie: Sean
    Company Representative Posts: 17 Verified rep ✭The42.ie: Sean


    Perifect wrote: »
    Journalists don't have a great reputation. Mostly not in the sports area in fairness. How low would you sink to get a story? Are there any areas you'd consider off limits?

    This is a really interesting one, and the tone of a few questions here have been based on a low opinion of journalists.

    How low would I sink to get a story? Not very low, but how do I know my moral compass is tuned similarly to yours?

    As you say, as a sportswriter, sinking low isn't a big part of the beat. But I'm curious to know why you feel journalists have a bad reputation? If it's all down to Piers Morgan, then fair enough, but remember there's a whole lot of journalists out there.


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