Handwriting decipher thread must post link to full page

Meursault · 10-10-2018 8:44am

Very interesting guys, thanks again. I've heard of the name Gobnait alright, although its pretty uncommon these days. I must say the Genealogy Message Board is amazing for these kinds of queries.

Queen_Kumara · 13-10-2018 3:05pm

Hello,

Looking to decipher the occupation of this death record for Catherine Fogarty 4th July 1893 (2nd from bottom).

https:/civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05999/4707075.pdf

I think it might say either;

‘Wife of deliverer’ OR ‘wife of delicatesser’ (or something of that ilk)

But am really not sure!

Any help would be most appreciated

New Home · 13-10-2018 3:10pm

Wife of pensioner, perhaps?

spurious · 13-10-2018 4:07pm

New Home wrote: »

Wife of pensioner, perhaps?

I would agree with 'pensioner'.

Queen_Kumara · 13-10-2018 4:30pm

spurious wrote: »

New Home wrote: »

Wife of pensioner, perhaps?

I would agree with 'pensioner'.

Wow, thank you both for your quick responses.

I would never have worked that out!?

I have another one that is even trickier that I’ll post in a separate comment shortly, hopefully you can work your magic on that

campo · 14-10-2018 3:15am

Need a little help to decipher the mothers name & maiden name from my great grandfathers birth cert, I am thinking it might be Johanna Connell but can't be sure

2ix0SFI

https://imgur.com/a/2ix0SFI

spurious · 14-10-2018 7:27am

Looks like Johanna Connell to me too.

Hermy · 14-10-2018 9:11am

spurious wrote: »

Looks like Johanna Connell to me too.

I'm seeing that too.

pinkypinky · 14-10-2018 10:00am

Agreed

New Home · 14-10-2018 11:31am

Johanna (Maedb) Connell for me, too.

campo · 14-10-2018 1:09pm

Thanks all

oceanclub · 16-10-2018 9:37pm

Turned sideway as I'm interested in the note about her marriage there at the top - I was only make out the Latin for "joined in marriage" and "1910" for certain:

https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634796#page/101/mode/1up

https://www.findmypast.ie/transcript?id=IRE/PRS/BAP/4030674

spurious · 16-10-2018 9:50pm

It's just a note saying who she married.

They are on rootsireland
6 Feb 1910. Toomevara.
He is down as Roderick, she is Johanna.
PM me an email if you want screenshots.

oceanclub · 16-10-2018 9:53pm

spurious wrote: »

It's just a note saying who she married.

They are on rootsireland
6 Feb 1910. Toomevara.
He is down as Roderick, she is Johanna.
PM me an email if you want screenshots.

Thanks! No that's grand. Confirms there's two different women of same name with same father's name!

P.

Ponster · 17-10-2018 12:10pm

I have a list of ancestors, with their DoB, which was compiled by some long forgotten family member. I thought that seeing as the parish has a microfilm copy of it's register online I'd see if I could track them down. My problem is that I don't know exactly what the format of the records are so unsure as to what I'm looking at. Looking at other records from the link below it looks like it's usually the word "Bap" followed by the person's name in Latin, mothers name and witnesses.
This is an extract:

I believe that this is the person I'm looking for.
My inherited document just states that a Mary Brunnock/Brunnick was born in 1862 to a Patrick Brunnick and Bridget Connolly. I'm just not sure if I'm convincing myself that this is Mary

This is the full page from which I extracted the above portion:

Link to page

spurious · 17-10-2018 12:16pm

That certainly looks like Mary child of Patrick Bronick and Bridget Connolly.
Witnesses John Fox and Catherine Bronick.

Ponster · 17-10-2018 6:01pm

spurious wrote: »

That certainly looks like Mary child of Patrick Bronick and Bridget Connolly.
Witnesses John Fox and Catherine Bronick.

That.s excellent, thanks!

TechnoFreek · 21-10-2018 9:51am

Anyone take a guess at what is written under the marriage details of Nolan, highlighted in red.

Carum Poperto is my best guess but no idea what it means.
A translation would be great also.

Thanks. Will add link shortly too.

Edit. Link added
[url] https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634399#page/190/mode/1up[/url]

New Home · 21-10-2018 12:22pm

I wonder is it related to the last record on the previous page, where there's a Patrick Nolan marrying a Maria Graham "via dispensationui intactis" or something to that effect. I think either of them may have been a protestant. (See page 88 here for the use of Poperte: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A13707.0001.001/1:3?rgn=div1;view=fulltext). Carum seems to be a plant, but it might very well be a Latin declension of something else (dear, expensive? http://latindictionary.wikidot.com/adjective:carus).

spurious · 21-10-2018 12:33pm

'Coram' means 'in the presence of'.
I wonder if there are no witnesses listed, it just means in the presence of the priest, or something similar?

New Home · 21-10-2018 12:44pm

That sounds more likely.

kanadams123 · 21-10-2018 12:48pm

Struggling to make out some of the information on this death record. Under Cause of death there is a lot of writing squashed in. I have been able to make some of it out but just need an extra pair of eyes.

(DEATH NUMBER 284) LINK

Also under informant, I can't make out what it says below "Coroner for cork county....."

New Home · 21-10-2018 12:59pm

Deceased died of cardiac disease namely myocarditis and that we have not sufficient (D wof?) and that (The?) (xxxx?/ confuse?) accelerated his death.

pinkypinky · 21-10-2018 1:02pm

Deceased died of cardiac disease, namely (?) myocardiac, and that we have not suffered that ....his work

Under the coroner it says "north riding. Inquest held 26/3/1928"

spurious · 21-10-2018 1:20pm

'Injuries' (?) accelerated his death.

kanadams123 · 21-10-2018 1:41pm

ah yes! Injuries would make more sense.
Thanks Everyone.

I now see something like

"And that we have not ______ a way that the injury accelerated his death"

I wonder if he was involved in some accident that caused such "injuries"

Jellybaby1 · 21-10-2018 1:58pm

"and that we have not sufficient proof..............that the injuries acc.....his death"

Sorry, can't make out "accelerated" there - last syllable looks like "fied".

New Home · 21-10-2018 1:59pm

I think the f in "fied" is actually part of the word below it.

New Home · 21-10-2018 2:00pm

Got it! "sufficient proof that the injuries accelerated his death".

spurious · 21-10-2018 4:31pm

New Home wrote: »

Got it! "sufficient proof that the injuries accelerated his death".

Gah...it's plain as day when I look at it now and know what it is.

srmf5 · 22-10-2018 5:42pm

I have two queries. The first is for the occupation of the groom in a marriage. It's number 27 down. On his wife's death, his occupation was recorded as a carpenter so that might help.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10853/5962770.pdf

For this one, I'm trying to make out the cause of death at the bottom of the page (447). It's child birth ? a few minutes no medical attendant. The writing for cause of death looks different to the rest of the entries.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06193/4771034.pdf

BowWow · 22-10-2018 5:50pm

srmf5 wrote: »

I have two queries. The first is for the occupation of the groom in a marriage. It's number 27 down. On his wife's death, his occupation was recorded as a carpenter so that might help.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10853/5962770.pdf

Tradesman.

srmf5 · 22-10-2018 5:51pm

BowWow wrote: »

Tradesman.

Ah thank you! The way it was spaced out, I thought there were two words.

fiachraX · 22-10-2018 5:53pm

The missing word in cause of death looks like 'syncope' (fainting/loss of consciousness): Childbirth. Syncope a few minutes, no medical attendant. [Punctuation added.]
Sad - looks like a very avoidable death.

pinkypinky · 31-10-2018 12:47pm

Two questions on this one please:

Marriage between Patrick Cullen and Sarah Dempsey, 6th from bottom.

His mother's first name and the place his parents live.

I know what the transcription says for her name but I'm reading something else.

Hermy · 31-10-2018 1:30pm

Brigida for the mother?

spurious · 31-10-2018 1:40pm

Moyvalley?

pinkypinky · 31-10-2018 1:44pm

The transcription says Brigida but I thought Eliza also fit.

Could be Moyvalley.

Hermy · 31-10-2018 1:55pm

I also thought it might be Eugenia or similar at first.

And I'd agree with Moyvalley though I couldn't make it out myself.

srmf5 · 31-10-2018 2:08pm

I thought that it looked like Brigida also.

vektarman · 03-11-2018 4:49pm

I'm looking for some help in interpreting the name of this ship please. The background to the name is that I think it's the last Swedish ship that my Great Grandfather from Gothenburg sailed on before he stayed on as a sailor in Dublin.
This is the crew list from what I think is his first Dublin ship the 'Coronella' in July 1878. Sailors had to name their previous ship in the crew list and it looks like 'Wuncanter' but it's open to suggestions, thanks.

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pinkypinky · 03-11-2018 5:16pm

If this page is online, can you put a link to it please? I can't zoom in on the full page.

I don't think the final letter is an R - could be a D. The 4th letter could be an L too.

Problem here is that we've got different handwriting on each line.

vektarman · 03-11-2018 8:04pm

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cl/007604294_00712.pdf

The link below is possibly my Greatgrandfather too, entry 31 on page 3.
It's still difficult to figure out his birthplace and previous ship.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00017341

montgo · 04-11-2018 9:19am

Hi,
Looking for cause of death for Mary on Record # 366, "? of face, ??". Thanks.

pedroeibar1 · 04-11-2018 11:51am

vektarman wrote: »

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cl/007604294_00712.pdf

The link below is possibly my Greatgrandfather too, entry 31 on page 3.
It's still difficult to figure out his birthplace and previous ship.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00017341

It looks like Stavgan - possibly an Irish version of Stavanger?

pedroeibar1 · 04-11-2018 12:02pm

montgo wrote: »

Hi,
Looking for cause of death for Mary on Record # 366, "? of face, ??". Thanks.

First cause looks like ending in '.....oma' and the second is possibly 'cachexia' (a wasting disease often associated with cancer)
.

spurious · 04-11-2018 12:04pm

montgo wrote: »

Hi,
Looking for cause of death for Mary on Record # 366, "? of face, ??". Thanks.

Epithelioma of face.
No idea on the second bit, but it appears to be the same thing as written in the first entry on the page as well as the entry immediately above Mary's.

New Home · 04-11-2018 12:38pm

Could it be an abbreviated "Certified"?

Cyrus T Buford · 04-11-2018 10:44pm

MARRIAGE NUMBER 142

I can't make out the 2nd witness' first name (witness for the bride).
It looks like Bily O'Driscoll, but would there not always be one male and one female witness (the witness for the bride being usually a woman?!)

It seems to most definitely end in "ly" in my opinion!

tabbey · 04-11-2018 11:02pm

Cyrus T Buford wrote: »

MARRIAGE NUMBER 142

I can't make out the 2nd witness' first name (witness for the bride).
It looks like Bily O'Driscoll, but would there not always be one male and one female witness (the witness for the bride being usually a woman?!)

It seems to most definitely end in "ly" in my opinion!

Could be Elly or Eily, perhaps even Caty.

Witnesses do not have to be one of each gender. In modern times that is the norm, but two hundred years ago in church records it was quite common to have two men, rarely two women. Sometimes there were two men and one woman, the latter would be the bridesmaid, while the two men were expected to give testimony should the marriage end up in the ecclesiastical courts. I have seen three men only on a few records, and once three women only.

Nonetheless this is irrelevant to the civil registration of a marriage in 1924, my guess is that it is a woman, but the writing is not great.

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