Speed cameras in Ireland - a guide

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 11:26am

Lardy wrote: »

Not true, if it was a GoSafe van

Care to elaborate

Lardy · 17-09-2015 11:27am

deandean wrote: »

That sounds about right. Posters here have been done at 56km/h and I haven't heard of anyone being done for slower than 56.

If you're caught at 56kph, it wasn't a GoSafe van.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 11:31am

Lardy wrote: »

If you're caught at 56kph, it wasn't a GoSafe van.

I disagree

And why the wink ?

Lardy · 17-09-2015 11:35am

mikeecho wrote: »

I disagree

And why the wink ?

Disagree all you want, but you're wrong. The tolerance for GoSafe is the same, regardless of the speed limit. And it is not 6kph.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 11:44am

Lardy wrote: »

Disagree all you want, but you're wrong. The tolerance for GoSafe is the same, regardless of the speed limit. And it is not 6kph.

You're a mind of information.

However misinformation is still information.

I've my sources, and over the years since gosafe started, my info has be accurate time and time again.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 11:45am

mikeecho wrote: »

You're a mind of information.

However misinformation is still information.

I've my sources, and over the years since gosafe started, my info has be accurate time and time again.

I'm an operator, my info would be pretty solid.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 12:03pm

Lardy wrote: »

I'm an operator, my info would be pretty solid.

Well then you know that a pic is taken off every vehicle that passes, and that info is downloaded at your base and transmitted to the gardai.

And it is them who decide the limits at which a fcpn is issued.
Go safe do nothing but collect the data and forward it on.

Gosafe have no other input.
Gosafe don't print the tickets
Gosafe don't post them out
Gosafe don't process the payments
Gosafe don't process the points
Gosafe don't apply for the summons
Gosafe don't bring a prosecution before the courts.

All gosafe do is collect the data, and provide a witness in the court.

And that is factual information.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 12:16pm

Not entirely, but good effort.

ironclaw · 17-09-2015 2:33pm

Lardy wrote: »

Not entirely, but good effort.

Care to elaborate then? mike's information mainly checks out on a few independent checks I've made.

On the point of every car being photographed, is every car sent or only those above the limit? I'd take issue if every single photograph is being sent.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 2:58pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Care to elaborate then? mike's information mainly checks out on a few independent checks I've made.

On the point of every car being photographed, is every car sent or only those above the limit? I'd take issue if every single photograph is being sent.

All the data is sent to AGS, they then sort out who gets a ticket.

AGS can use the anpr info from go safe vans to track criminals etc.
Much like the anpr at toll roads can be used in the same way.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 3:17pm

mikeecho wrote: »

All the data is sent to AGS, they then sort out who gets a ticket.

AGS can use the anpr info from go safe vans to track criminals etc.
Much like the anpr at toll roads can be used in the same way.

GoSafe don't have ANPR!

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 3:18pm

Lardy wrote: »

GoSafe don't have ANPR!

I beginning to doubt u work for them

Lardy · 17-09-2015 3:38pm

mikeecho wrote: »

I beginning to doubt u work for them

Do you know what ANPR is? We don't have it. Not even AGS use ANPR. It was pulled because it doesn't work...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-forced-to-pull-technology-that-detects-uninsured-drivers-1.2198863

Falcon L · 17-09-2015 3:41pm

Lardy wrote: »

Do you know what ANPR is? We don't have it. Not even AGS use ANPR. It was pulled because it doesn't work...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-forced-to-pull-technology-that-detects-uninsured-drivers-1.2198863

AGS do have ANPR and use it to check for issues other than insurance. The reason they can't use it for insurance is because the insurance companies couldn't be bothered to maintain accurate databases to work from.

ANPR works when the databases are accessible and accurate.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 3:44pm

Falcon L wrote: »

AGS do have ANPR and use it to check for issues other than insurance. The reason they can't use it for insurance is because the insurance companies couldn't be bothered to maintain accurate databases to work from.

ANPR works when the databases are accessible and accurate.

I stand corrected. I should have said part of it was pulled.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 4:37pm

Lardy wrote: »

I stand corrected. I should have said part of it was pulled.

You seem to be basing your info on news reports rather than "insider" info.

I call shenanigans

Lardy · 17-09-2015 4:56pm

mikeecho wrote: »

I call shenanigans

Call what you want, I've no need or desire to prove anything to some random stranger on the internet!

You go ahead with spreading your ignorance, though.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 6:42pm

Lardy wrote: »

Call what you want, I've no need or desire to prove anything to some random stranger on the internet!

You go ahead with spreading your ignorance, though.

Yeah... You've stated that you're a gosafe operator, but can't give any information, other than to say that, what others are saying is incorrect, yet can't give any specifics.

As for the anpr... Well, how do you think they get the licence plate numbers.?
And why is every car photographed ?

I don't think you are aware of what happens with the vans, or the back end process of the system.

All an operator has to do is drive to the location, set up, and try not to fall asleep.

Jayop · 17-09-2015 8:03pm

Possibly the most frustrating type of person on the internet. Tells someone who's trying to be helpful that they're wrong but refuses to say how they are wrong or to provide the correct information. Adding literally nothing.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 8:21pm

Jayop wrote: »

Possibly the most frustrating type of person on the internet. Tells someone who's trying to be helpful that they're wrong but refuses to say how they are wrong or to provide the correct information. Adding literally nothing.

You're right, it is frustrating. Though not as frustrating as people spouting makey uppy information as fact. Yes, I've been purposefully vague. But do you really think I'm going to post sensitive company information to a public board? Give over.

As for still going on about ANPR... Jesus, dude, your post could not be more cringe worthy! You do understand the difference between the ANPR system, and a photograph, right?

The system takes a photograph of every vehicle, because that's how the system is set up. No conspiracy.

Jayop · 17-09-2015 8:26pm

Lardy wrote: »

You're right, it is frustrating. Though not as frustrating as people spouting makey uppy information as fact. Yes, I've been purposefully vague. But do you really think I'm going to post sensitive company information to a public board? Give over.

As for still going on about ANPR... Jesus, dude, your post could not be more cringe worthy! You do understand the difference between the ANPR system, and a photograph, right?

The system takes a photograph of every vehicle, because that's how the system is set up. No conspiracy.

That was my first post in here. I've never mentioned an ANPR on this site before although I do know what it is and what it does.

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 8:28pm

Lardy wrote: »

You're right, it is frustrating. Though not as frustrating as people spouting makey uppy information as fact. Yes, I've been purposefully vague. But do you really think I'm going to post sensitive company information to a public board? Give over.

As for still going on about ANPR... Jesus, dude, your post could not be more cringe worthy! You do understand the difference between the ANPR system, and a photograph, right?

The system takes a photograph of every vehicle, because that's how the system is set up. No conspiracy.

Anpr sw is used in the processing of the pics

Something which you obviously know nothing about.

I've never claimed to be connected to anyone, but I've access to certain reliable verified info.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 8:28pm

Jayop wrote: »

That was my first post in here. I've never mentioned an ANPR on this site before although I do know what it is and what it does.

Apologies, the ANPR comment wasn't aimed at your post. I forgot to add the other posters name..

Lardy · 17-09-2015 8:35pm

mikeecho wrote: »

Anpr sw is used in the processing of the pics

Something which you obviously know nothing about.

I've never claimed to be connected to anyone, but I've access to certain reliable verified info.

I give up.

Far too much stupid in this thread.

Special Circumstances · 17-09-2015 8:35pm

Is it true that a mixture of lemon juice and wee prevents a clear picture of your number plate?

And that they have re purposed the e voting machines to ingest photos from the vans and print out little slips with the reg number?

And that the machines get an extra 30minute break on payday?

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 8:38pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Is it true that a mixture of lemon juice and wee prevents a clear picture of your number plate?

And that they have re purposed the e voting machines to ingest photos from the vans and print out little slips with the reg number?

And that the machines get an extra 30minute break on payday?

All depends on who you ask

mikeecho · 17-09-2015 8:38pm

Lardy wrote: »

....

Far too much stupid in this thread.

I'll agree on that point

Jayop · 17-09-2015 8:40pm

All ANPR is is an acronym for Automatic Number Plate Recognition. So unless there's someone in an office in Dublin looking at every one of the photo's from the speed vans then clearly there's some form of ANPR involved. It may not have any other purpose or have nothing in common with the one seen in Traffic Corps cars but surely somewhere along the line there's ANPR>

Lardy · 17-09-2015 8:44pm

Nope, not a sniff. All the information is passed to Thurles.

Jayop · 17-09-2015 8:48pm

So you're telling me that someone manually looks at the photo's to see the reg number and assigns that to the registered owner, manually??

If that's the case then it's beyond a parody of this country.

Lardy · 17-09-2015 8:53pm

There are a handful of staff in Listowel who look at every single image before they even get sent to Thurles. And yes, it is crazy!

Jayop · 17-09-2015 8:54pm

Ah Jesus that can't be right. Feck my life but that's the stuidest thing I've ever heard.

A year one programmer in college would probably be able to automate that for them.

Galwayguy35 · 20-10-2015 8:41am

Came across a Gosafe van yesterday in a 50 zone, might have been doing about 55km, do they flash if you are over the limit?

ironclaw · 20-10-2015 9:41am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Came across a Gosafe van yesterday in a 50 zone, might have been doing about 55km, do they flash if you are over the limit?

No. Read the very first post of this thread.

kcera · 02-01-2016 10:37pm

A few days ago I was going by a speed van and think I was done by about 5km/hr, Today I was going past a very slow driver and overtook him only to be met by a garda car coming the opposite direction, I was doing 10km/hr over the limit. If I got do for the two of them that would be 6 penalty points would I be disqualified from driving as I have a provisional license. If the answer was yes, How long would that be for.

Thanks

PeteK* · 03-01-2016 12:11am

kcera wrote: »

A few days ago I was going by a speed van and think I was done by about 5km/hr, Today I was going past a very slow driver and overtook him only to be met by a garda car coming the opposite direction, I was doing 10km/hr over the limit. If I got do for the two of them that would be 6 penalty points would I be disqualified from driving as I have a provisional license. If the answer was yes, How long would that be for.

Thanks

Did you admit to the garda that you were over the limit?
7 points for a disqualification for a learner permit / provisional licence.
I think 6 months, not 100% sure.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driving_offences/penalty_points_for_driving_offences.html

kcera · 03-01-2016 12:20am

PeteK* wrote: »

Did you admit to the garda that you were over the limit?
7 points for a disqualification for a learner permit / provisional licence.
I think 6 months, not 100% sure.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driving_offences/penalty_points_for_driving_offences.html

No the gardai never stopped me.

SteM · 03-01-2016 12:27am

kcera wrote: »

A few days ago I was going by a speed van and think I was done by about 5km/hr, Today I was going past a very slow driver and overtook him only to be met by a garda car coming the opposite direction, I was doing 10km/hr over the limit. If I got do for the two of them that would be 6 penalty points would I be disqualified from driving as I have a provisional license. If the answer was yes, How long would that be for.

Thanks

How could it have been a very slow driver if you had to go 10km/hr over the limit to pass them. That means they must have been doing the limit or close. Can hardly be classed as 'very slow'.

antodeco · 03-01-2016 5:54pm

SteM wrote: »

How could it have been a very slow driver if you had to go 10km/hr over the limit to pass them. That means they must have been doing the limit or close. Can hardly be classed as 'very slow'.

Not necessarily. It's better to overtake as fast as possible then sit there overtaking at 2kmh faster

ironclaw · 04-01-2016 9:25am

antodeco wrote: »

Not necessarily. It's better to overtake as fast as possible then sit there overtaking at 2kmh faster

If the limit is 80km/h, and they were doing 60km/h, then you could safely over take at 70 to 80km/h. No issue. If you passed a speed van exceeding the limit to over take them, then they were likely near the limit to start with so it would be your own impatience versus an actual slow driver.

Jayop · 11-01-2016 7:37pm

ironclaw wrote: »

If the limit is 80km/h, and they were doing 60km/h, then you could safely over take at 70 to 80km/h. No issue. If you passed a speed van exceeding the limit to over take them, then they were likely near the limit to start with so it would be your own impatience versus an actual slow driver.

Or the typical slow driver that speeds up every time you reach a stretch of road that you can pass on only to slow down to 20/30kmph under the limit as soon as you can't pass. I'll pass that driver and I'll have to speed to do so but it doesn't mean that the other driver wasn't a slow driver.

Or the slow driver that speeds up as soon as you start overtaking them meaning you have to push the limit or slide back behind them.

Also on a 100 stretch if someone is doing 90 then it's much safer to pass as quickly as possible even if that means you have to go a little over the limit so you spend as little time as possible on the other side of the road.

There's many more reasons that impatience for passing a little over the limit.

johndeere3350 · 12-02-2016 12:17am

I passed one the other day and I was going 10k over the limit.
There was a curtain pulled accross the back of my question is does this mean it wasn't in use

Dubcelt · 03-06-2016 3:11pm

Why do cops insist on setting up speed traps on the hard shoulder of motorways when there are purpose built ramps available to them. Surely this is a dangerous practice ?

blackis200 · 03-06-2016 9:00pm

Dubcelt wrote: »

Why do cops insist on setting up speed traps on the hard shoulder of motorways when there are purpose built ramps available to them. Surely this is a dangerous practice ?

Only a daw would endanger themselves in such a manner and it's illegal to reverse on a motorway.

TheAlkaline · 16-08-2016 3:30am

Quick question,

I was driving down the Victoria Quay last night around 00:30am.
There was an incident on the footpath at the traffic lights that lead onto Victoria Quay, bus lane and right lane were blocked by cars on hazards and only middle lane going towards N4 was passable. Car ahead of me stopped in front of one of the cars to see what is happening and I continued forward. The second I passed the traffic lights and avoiding the parked up cars I found myself on the right lane (meant to be left as I was about to take a left turn in roughly 450m). At this point doing roughly 55km/h and 100-150m into the road I started my approach into going back on the correct lane, but meanwhile a learner driver in micra who was behind me accelerated enough (not approaching at that point) to get close to my rear bumper. So in order to leave him some safety gap I have accelerated a bit before getting back into my lane for left turn.

Some of you might noticed that always in front of Guinness Factory there is lots of lorries parked up during the day and night. It was no different that night, at 250-300m mark from the traffic lights, behind one of those lorries there was a Speed Van parked up (Not sure if GoSafe or Garda). After proceeding with the maneuver I was doing roughly 70-75km/h. The Van was not visible from the distance as lorry was in front and I highly doubt that it could read my speed till the last moment. I am really aware of my surroundings and I only noticed the van after passing the lorry and it was parked up 30-40m behind it . A square red LED-looking non glowing flash appeared in the back window.

To remind you all it was 00:30am, very low traffic and no cars ahead of me. I couldn't try to "save myself" by breaking harshly as the micra was still behind me and I would risk getting rear-ended. By the time I realised what happened, I was past the van.

(I used google maps of Victoria Quay to try to get as accurate description of the situation as I could).

So my quick question is:

If I get a fine, would be there a point for me to proceed with this to court? From my observation the camera couldn't provide an accurate reading by being parked up like this. I'm not sure how they work but from the comments I read here they need at least 100m mark to make first speed read and take snap at 50m?

1. The camera doesn't understand the situation, I believe that if it was an actually Garda he/she wouldn't even pull me over.

2. Photo was taken at around 40-50 degree angle between me and the camera.

3. There is more likely more than one car in the photo. (Micra)

4. I know it is an automated system but is it possible for it to take photograph without an accurate speed reading?

Thank you for all the answers, I have been driving that road hundreds of times and first time ever having to deal with situation like this.
It makes me sad that they have guts to catch people like that. Money making machine..

legomanx51v · 16-08-2016 6:05am

Was the rear window of the speed van pointing towards Heuston station or was it pointing towards the city centre (Guinness factory, o Connell St etc)

mikeecho · 16-08-2016 8:22am

Pay the ticket

blackis200 · 16-08-2016 8:30am

Don't stress until you get a ticket.
Deal with it then.
There is no need to pay the fine and there is no need to get points.
Post again if you get a scam-era tax ticket and I'll tell you how you can defeat the demand.

TheAlkaline · 16-08-2016 10:18am

legomanx51v wrote: »

Was the rear window of the speed van pointing towards Heuston station or was it pointing towards the city centre (Guinness factory, o Connell St etc)

It was pointing towards the city centre.

Seth Brundle · 16-08-2016 10:41am

Unfortunately, there's unlikely to be any contest here.
Being devil's advocate here, you sped up as you approached a speed camera van. The fact that the learner in the Micra behind you appeared to speed up and you felt the need to respond was your decision and cannot be used to challenge any ticket (or is unlikely to hold any weight if it was to be your excuse).
The fact that you felt the need to speed up adjacent to some kind of incident on the path at a time when there was little traffic on the road suggests that you were actually reckless.
So...
1. irrelevant. If you were caught, it was because you were speeding. A machine cannot decide guilt, it looks at facts.
2. And?
3. There is likely to be two photos and the speed can be calculated by calculating the distance travelled against the time difference between the two pictures.
4. Assume not.

Your only saving grace might be the fact that the speed van may be calibrated to catch people doing over say 80km/h. It's a long shot but until you hear from them (say a fortnight), there's no point worrying.

TheAlkaline wrote: »

It makes me sad that they have guts to catch people like that. Money making machine..

In fairness, at 12:30 at night, there is likely to be people walking along the quays & crossing roads that are out of their heads on drink or drugs. Catching speeders along the quays is an obvious location for a camera. That's why its frequently there both day and night.
Whatever about a camera along the side of the N4 or on a motorway, this location isn't the most unfair place to locate a speed trap!

Speed cameras in Ireland - a guide

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