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All diesel fuel is not the same

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    #32
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I'll put some into glass jars tomorrow.

    The jars probably won't be identical.

    Now .. which two drums do you want me to compare.


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    #33
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Allinall


    What are you using the diesel for?

    Why are you bothered unless you see a difference in performance?


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    #34
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    mikeecho wrote: »
    I'll put some into glass jars tomorrow.

    The jars probably won't be identical.

    Now .. which two drums do you want me to compare.

    To keep the experiment consistent, use the two original drums in the first picture. :)


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    #35
    wing52
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭wing52


    Do motor factors not have detector kits?

    Try one and see if any results.


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    #36
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    To keep the experiment consistent, use the two original drums in the first picture. :)

    I can do that,

    but I'm sure some clown on here, will want documented video proof with an independent observer from KPMG and an official from the Guinness Book of Records present.

    Edit..
    I'll use plastic 500ml water bottles.

    Don't think I have any empty glass jars.


    There is a visible difference between the colour of fuel from both stations.

    One is a lot darker than the other.
    It's probably just due to additives, but the stations are side by side, and as they are in cork, I'd imagine that both are supplied by Whitegate refinery.


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    #37
    McCrack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭McCrack


    mikeecho wrote: »
    I can do that,

    but I'm sure some clown on here, will want documented video proof with an independent observer from KPMG and an official from the Guinness Book of Records present.

    Well if you want to make up some half arsed visual experiment to suit your initial agenda at least have the containers the same clear glass


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    #38
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    McCrack wrote: »
    Well if you want to make up some half arsed visual experiment to suit your initial agenda at least have the containers the same clear glass

    What's my agenda ????


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    #39
    McCrack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭McCrack


    mikeecho wrote: »
    What's my agenda ????

    Clue in the thread title


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    #40
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Right.. so what do you want me to do, to show the difference in fuel colour.

    Keyboard warriors will always find fault with something.
    I've no intention of spending money to show what I already know.

    I'll put fuel from brand A into one plastic bottle, and ditto with brand B

    I'll take a pic tomorrow.


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    #41
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    McCrack wrote: »
    Clue in the thread title

    Well to be honest I don't believe all fuels are the same. There are certain brands that my engine definitely runs better with.


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    #42
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    If they were pee samples, the one on the left is in trouble.

    Show them in glass containers to compare.


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    #43
    pburns
    Registered Users Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    Quite hostile, defensive response to OP.
    Nobody wants to believe diesel might be variable? Or the cheaper stuff might be dodgy?

    I never buy on price (because variability between pumps makes a few cents diffence futile). It's hard to judge quality tho. I used to think Applegreen safe. Now I'd avoid...


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    #44
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    pburns wrote: »
    Quite hostile, defensive response to OP.
    Nobody wants to believe diesel might be variable? Or the cheaper stuff might be dodgy?

    I never buy on price (because variability between pumps makes a few cents diffence futile). It's hard to judge quality tho. I used to think Applegreen safe. Now I'd avoid...

    Wait, what? any substance to that claim?


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    #45
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭893bet


    Mis read. Carry on.


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    #46
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    All this talk of daysul and not a drop of green in sight :(


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    #47
    Car99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Car99


    Use two jam clear jars for your comparison today. Eat a sliced pan worth of toast smothered in jam with your tae in the morning if you have to.


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    #48
    dodzy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭dodzy


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Right.. so what do you want me to do, to show the difference in fuel colour.

    Keyboard warriors will always find fault with something.
    I've no intention of spending money to show what I already know.

    I'll put fuel from brand A into one plastic bottle, and ditto with brand B

    I'll take a pic tomorrow.

    FFS, just do what you were asked. You come on with a question and threw up a picture of a side by side sample in 2 containers that were obviously constructed with different material, then you get all bitchy when questioned. Surely 2 clear jars, side by side, with samples from your first pic is not a monumental request?


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    #49
    Toyotafanboi
    Registered Users Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    It'd take too long to find a single jam jar with clouded glass for the comparison.


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    #50
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    McCrack wrote: »
    Well if you want to make up some half arsed visual experiment to suit your initial agenda at least have the containers the same clear glass

    Me


    Ow

    Skin in the game?


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    #51
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    pburns wrote: »
    Quite hostile, defensive response to OP.

    Must have hit a nerve here


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    #52
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Right.. so what do you want me to do, to show the difference in fuel colour.

    Keyboard warriors will always find fault with something.
    I've no intention of spending money to show what I already know.

    I'll put fuel from brand A into one plastic bottle, and ditto with brand B

    I'll take a pic tomorrow.
    As I was probably the first to question your claim, I'll take your bait.
    I responded as I have a scientific background. Any "test" should be on equal terms so having the liquids in visibly different coloured containers while saying look how the liquids are a different colour is going to raise eyebrows.
    Nothing to do with being a keyboard warrior. Just looking for a fair test.


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    #53
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    As I was probably the first to question your claim, I'll take your bait.
    I responded as I have a scientific background. Any "test" should be on equal terms so having the liquids in visibly different coloured containers while saying look how the liquids are a different colour is going to raise eyebrows.
    Nothing to do with being a keyboard warrior. Just looking for a fair test.

    Did he make a decent interim attempt to address it


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    #54
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Here's a pic in plastic bottles.

    IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/TtpL9vk/IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

    And here I have switched their positions, in case someone complains that the angle of the light was causing an issue.

    IMG-20190917-110803.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/j579Lyv/IMG-20190917-110803.jpg


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    #55
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    That's better - the difference is clear now, thank you.
    Do you know if there are any additives in one (based on brand marketing) and not in the other?


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    #56
    Mena Mitty
    Registered Users Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Mena Mitty


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Here's a pic in plastic bottles.

    IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/TtpL9vk/IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

    And here I have switched their positions, in case someone complains that the angle of the light was causing an issue.

    IMG-20190917-110803.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/j579Lyv/IMG-20190917-110803.jpg

    If they are two different brands of diesel they're not going to be the same colour.

    I find the same thing happens if I buy two different brands of sunflower oil for cooking.


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    #57
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Brand A: (the darker one) is Maxol, bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

    Brand B: Circle K, regular diesel,
    bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.


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    #58
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Mena Mitty wrote: »
    If they are two different brands of diesel they're not going to be the same colour.

    I find the same thing happens if I buy two different brands of sunflower oil for cooking.

    I was just showing that there is a difference with fuel from different stations.

    Your sunflower oil is coming from various farms.

    In cork, I would have thought that all of our fuel came from Whitegate refinery which is only 30km away from both of these stations.


    I'm half tempted to get a drop of diesel from AppleGreen and put that into a 3rd bottle.


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    #59
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    mikeecho wrote: »
    In cork, I would have thought that all of our fuel came from Whitegate refinery which is only 30km away from both of these stations.

    Probably so, but each distributor may mix in their own additives before it hits the pumps


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    #60
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,070 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    mikeecho wrote: »
    I was just showing that there is a difference with fuel from different stations.

    Your sunflower oil is coming from various farms.

    In cork, I would have thought that all of our fuel came from Whitegate refinery which is only 30km away from both of these stations.


    I'm half tempted to get a drop of diesel from AppleGreen and put that into a 3rd bottle.

    Both brands might get their diesel from the same refinery but the additive for each brand is added when they are loading the truck at the refinery.


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    #61
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Brand A: (the darker one) is Maxol, bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

    Brand B: Circle K, regular diesel,
    bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

    You know that both those stations are fuelled by fuel from either Foynes or Whitegate?

    It all comes from the same tanks no matter the brand, some might have additives and some may not but all fuel you buy in this country is ultimately from the same place.


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