Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

JRant · 09-06-2017 4:18pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Ah come on now. Next you're going to say that every player that shakes hands with a referee at the start of the game deserves to get 12 weeks.

Shaking hands with someone is a voluntary motion carried out by both parties, grabbing an arm is interfering with the other person in a physical manner so the 2 are completely different scenarios.

MayoAreMagic · 09-06-2017 4:44pm

JRant wrote: »

Nonsense. I don't want to ruin the game or anything of the sort, I want consistency.

What does the rule book say about tipping a ref exactly? The GAA have now made a rod for their own back that they either see through or do what they invariably do a fudge the issue. The rules clearly state any physical contact, be that grabbing an arm or grabbing their face ala O'Connor style should be an automatic 12 week ban and I'm including all counties in that, the Dubs included.

No actually you are trying to make a rod for the gaa's back, mainly down to the noticeable level of b*tt-hurt in your posts on the subject, ultimately because it is an important Dublin player who has gotten banned, regardless of the fact that is was for something he deserves to be banned for.

If a player politely tips a ref on the arm to get his attention, like McMahon so often does, there should not, and will not be any 12 week bans. The rules do not state 'any physical contact'. That would be ridiculous. If you cannot see the difference between the two, that's your problem.

Also, I get it that the Dubs tow the party line on such things - it undermines their objectivity completely but they don't seem to mind; fair enough, that is their business. But if you honestly believe that O'Connor should be banned for what is happening in that picture, then genuinely, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

JRant · 09-06-2017 5:07pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No actually you are trying to make a rod for the gaa's back, mainly down to the noticeable level of b*tt-hurt in your posts on the subject, ultimately because it is an important Dublin player who has gotten banned, regardless of the fact that is was for something he deserves to be banned for.

If a player politely tips a ref on the arm to get his attention, like McMahon so often does, there should not, and will not be any 12 week bans. The rules do not state 'any physical contact'. That would be ridiculous. If you cannot see the difference between the two, that's your problem.

Also, I get it that the Dubs tow the party line on such things - it undermines their objectivity completely but they don't seem to mind; fair enough, that is their business. But if you honestly believe that O'Connor should be banned for what is happening in that picture, then genuinely, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Every year the GAA start out the summer with a clamp down of one sort or another and after a few weeks it's completely forgotten about. They have previous on this front and for once I'd like to see them follow through on something. If they are serious about this 12 week layoff then yes O'Connor should most definitely get the full ban if he does it again. Grabbing a ref by the face is completely unacceptable as is a Dublin player grabbing a ref by the arm.

You see, my only issue with this is consistency. I couldn't care less if Dermo sits on his arse for 12 weeks. He's been walking a tightrope for long enough now and quite frankly I'm fed up of hearing about him running foul of the rules. What the game is crying out for is a consistent approach by all refs but sadly we are nowhere near that, not even close.

MayoAreMagic · 09-06-2017 5:21pm

JRant wrote: »

Every year the GAA start out the summer with a clamp down of one sort or another and after a few weeks it's completely forgotten about. They have previous on this front and for once I'd like to see them follow through on something. If they are serious about this 12 week layoff then yes O'Connor should most definitely get the full ban if he does it again. Grabbing a ref by the face is completely unacceptable as is a Dublin player grabbing a ref by the arm.

You see, my only issue with this is consistency. I couldn't care less if Dermo sits on his arse for 12 weeks. He's been walking a tightrope for long enough now and quite frankly I'm fed up of hearing about him running foul of the rules. What the game is crying out for is a consistent approach by all refs but sadly we are nowhere near that, not even close.

He didn't grab him by the face though. Obviously he didn't, because if he had, he would have gotten in serious trouble for an act like that - probably more than 12 weeks. Repeat it all you want, it didn't happen.

In fact all you can see for sure in this famous photo is that the ref has oconnor by the back of the neck. You cant actually see if o'connors hand is even touching the refs face, or is just in front of it, due to the angle of the photo. However, what is obvious is there is no grabbing action anywhere in the photo. Again, keep saying it all you want, it doesn't make it true, and anyone with any bit of objectivity can see that. It is just a shame that there is no Dublin fan willing to put their head above the parapet and call out this photo in all it's painful cringiness.

blanch152 · 09-06-2017 5:34pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

He didn't grab him by the face though. Obviously he didn't, because if he had, he would have gotten in serious trouble for an act like that - probably more than 12 weeks. Repeat it all you want, it didn't happen.

In fact all you can see for sure in this famous photo is that the ref has oconnor by the back of the neck. You cant actually see if o'connors hand is even touching the refs face, or is just in front of it, due to the angle of the photo. However, what is obvious is there is no grabbing action anywhere in the photo. Again, keep saying it all you want, it doesn't make it true, and anyone with any bit of objectivity can see that. It is just a shame that there is no Dublin fan willing to put their head above the parapet and call out this photo in all it's painful cringiness.

If you had some counter-evidence that would be useful. Saying a photo doesn't mean what it looks like doesn't get you very far without some alternative evidence.

Hammer Archer · 09-06-2017 5:38pm

JRant wrote: »

Every year the GAA start out the summer with a clamp down of one sort or another and after a few weeks it's completely forgotten about. They have previous on this front and for once I'd like to see them follow through on something. If they are serious about this 12 week layoff then yes O'Connor should most definitely get the full ban if he does it again. Grabbing a ref by the face is completely unacceptable as is a Dublin player grabbing a ref by the arm.

Have a look at the incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_2-tERtd8#t=115m49s
Deegan puts his arm around O'Connor before O'Connor does the same to Deegan. And he doesn't grab him by the face at all. Trying to make it seem like this is anywhere remotely close to what Connolly did is ludicrous quite frankly.

ThunbergsAreGo · 09-06-2017 5:41pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Have a look at the incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_2-tERtd8#t=115m49s
Deegan puts his arm around O'Connor before O'Connor does the same to Deegan. And he doesn't grab him by the face at all. Trying to make it seem like this is anywhere remotely close to what Connolly did is ludicrous quite frankly.

Connolly didn't actually do all that much either of we are all honest, 12 weeks is OTT

MayoAreMagic · 09-06-2017 5:42pm

blanch152 wrote: »

If you had some counter-evidence that would be useful. Saying a photo doesn't mean what it looks like doesn't get you very far without some alternative evidence.

Well Id like to see some actual evidence first before I need to produce counter evidence. The picture in question shows contact on oconnors neck from the refs hand - a bit weird but fair enough, contact between both of their forearms - which could be completely accidental - and oconnors' hand in front of the ref's face, with no contact apparent. There is no indent in the skin on the refs face from where oconnor's hand is supposedly grabbing it and he doesn't seem to be uncomfortable in any way in the photo. His only concern appears to be hearing what the player is trying to tell him. So get me the actual proof that he has a hold of the guy's face first, or even touching his face, before I have to counter it...

Edit: What hammer archer has posted has in fact confirmed what I have stated - he doesn't touch his face at all. Funny enough, Philly McMahon sticks his finger into the refs face accusingly in the middle of it. Black card at least - consistency, right?

DoctaDee · 09-06-2017 5:53pm

MayoAreMagic · 09-06-2017 5:54pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

Connolly didn't actually do all that much either of we are all honest, 12 weeks is OTT

I actually disagree man, players cant be allowed to carry on like that regardless of how good they are. Right or wrong, the officials have to be shown respect. Officials aren't going to get everything right and it sets a really bad precedent if he were to be let go. As paidi o'se said, 'like you would catch a loaf of bread and f* it over the line', that is the kind of attitude that Connolly showed towards the linesman and it is just nasty. There is no need for it.
We hear about good players needing protection, well the officials need it first and foremost.

JRant · 09-06-2017 5:57pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Have a look at the incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_2-tERtd8#t=115m49s
Deegan puts his arm around O'Connor before O'Connor does the same to Deegan. And he doesn't grab him by the face at all. Trying to make it seem like this is anywhere remotely close to what Connolly did is ludicrous quite frankly.

I'll boil it down to its simplest form as I'm obviously losing some of you. Any altercation that involves, grabbing, holding etc of a ref or lineman has to be a 12 week ban if there is to be any consistency. That's it. I couldn't give a flying shïte about O'Connor or Dermo for that matter. I don't care if an arm around the shoulder, the GAA have laid down this marker so lets see if they hold firm. And for the record, one more time, I agree with it as long as they are consistent.

JRant · 09-06-2017 5:58pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I actually disagree man, players cant be allowed to carry on like that regardless of how good they are. Right or wrong, the officials have to be shown respect. Officials aren't going to get everything right and it sets a really bad precedent if he were to be let go. As paidi o'se said, 'like you would catch a loaf of bread and f* it over the line', that is the kind of attitude that Connolly showed towards the linesman and it is just nasty. There is no need for it.
We hear about good players needing protection, well the officials need it first and foremost.

The officials need a kick up the jacksee if you ask me.

Dots1982 · 09-06-2017 6:02pm

JRant wrote: »

I'll boil it down to its simplest form as I'm obviously losing some of you. Any altercation that involves, grabbing, holding etc of a ref or lineman has to be a 12 week ban if there is to be any consistency. That's it. I couldn't give a flying shïte about O'Connor or Dermo for that matter. I don't care if an arm around the shoulder, the GAA have laid down this marker so lets see if they hold firm. And for the record, one more time, I agree with it as long as they are consistent.

I think we should just leave things as they already are. Therefore what Connolly done is a 12 week ban and what O'connor did is nothing. That's the common sense approach. Sorry but I think the only side issue is the referee not sending off Connolly. I think beyond that this case is cut and dried.

ThunbergsAreGo · 09-06-2017 6:05pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I actually disagree man, players cant be allowed to carry on like that regardless of how good they are. Right or wrong, the officials have to be shown respect. Officials aren't going to get everything right and it sets a really bad precedent if he were to be let go. As paidi o'se said, 'like you would catch a loaf of bread and f* it over the line', that is the kind of attitude that Connolly showed towards the linesman and it is just nasty. There is no need for it.
We hear about good players needing protection, well the officials need it first and foremost.

So bad he wasn't sent off for it at the time.

It's not good and I don't really care about the ban, but I hope it leads to a zero tolerance approach to intimidation of referees

JRant · 09-06-2017 6:13pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

I think we should just leave things as they already are. Therefore what Connolly done is a 12 week ban and what O'connor did is nothing. That's the common sense approach. Sorry but I think the only side issue is the referee not sending off Connolly. I think beyond that this case is cut and dried.

I agree, he should have walked at the time. This shows the level of incompetence that is in the game.

Well you know what they say about common sense, it's not that common at all. The line has been drawn and needs to be continued.

The problem with allowing a common sense approach is that we end up with ridiculous things happening like in the Galway/Dublin game a few weeks ago. Canning clearly struck a player in the head accidentally but the rules make no allowances for that and he should have got the line but the ref applied common sense and just booked him after clearly seeing it. Then a few minutes later he gives O'Callighan the line for a second yellow when he couldn't have seen what happened as it was a ruck ball and the forward just tripped over his own feet, so no common sense was applied there.

It's bloody infuriating and it's happening up and down the country on a regular basis.

MayoAreMagic · 09-06-2017 6:31pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

So bad he wasn't sent off for it at the time.

It's not good and I don't really care about the ban, but I hope it leads to a zero tolerance approach to intimidation of referees

So what if he wasnt sent off at the time? Refs get things wrong or miss them altogether. Hence the need for the cccc and the various other appeals committees in the first place...

I agree on the zero tolerance approach. Its a real lowpoint of our game. Connolly waving the card in the refs face in last years final made for poor viewing. Rightly he should have gotten a black along with his playmate and be done with the two of them. Who knows, if he had maybe he wouldnt have reacted like he did this time..

dxhound2005 · 09-06-2017 6:37pm

JRant wrote: »

The officials need a kick up the jacksee if you ask me.

Referees aren't stupid. If they took on board the sort of advice given out here they would be sending off 10 players in every game. And I have seen games where they would have been justified in sending off 10 players for just one mass brawl.

But they know if they took that approach they would be targeted for even more abuse by the fans. And especially by the pundits armed with their camera replays to condemn the officials for not seeing something which is so obvious when slowed down and viewed from three different angles on TV.

Instances of physical interference with officials are rare because the players know they will get a minimum 12 weeks suspension. They indulge in all the other nonsense because safety in numbers means that only a small number will be sanctioned in any game, and the worst that will happen is a short suspension.

ThunbergsAreGo · 09-06-2017 6:47pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

So what if he wasnt sent off at the time? Refs get things wrong or miss them altogether. Hence the need for the cccc and the various other appeals committees in the first place...

I agree on the zero tolerance approach. Its a real lowpoint of our game. Connolly waving the card in the refs face in last years final made for poor viewing. Rightly he should have gotten a black along with his playmate and be done with the two of them. Who knows, if he had maybe he wouldnt have reacted like he did this time..

The linesman cannot miss getting pushed to be fair, he obviously didn't think it warranted a sending off or bringing it to the referees attention

Anyways ban has been given and he will serve it

MayoAreMagic · 09-06-2017 6:59pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

The linesman cannot miss getting pushed to be fair, he obviously didn't think it warranted a sending off or bringing it to the referees attention

Anyways ban has been given and he will serve it

True he cant miss it. But it isn't the same as spotting a double hop or something mundane like that, when the incident is actually a physical altercation involving himself. He is no longer a viewer of proceedings, but rather thrown into the middle of them. It is understandable that he was probably a bit thrown by the whole thing.

Brolly was going on like he should be a robot about the whole thing, when in reality he was probably thinking 'christ almighty what the f*ck am i going to do now!'

DoctaDee · 09-06-2017 11:30pm

No appeal from DC, confirmed by RTE.. nothing to see here..

ProudDUB · 09-06-2017 11:43pm

Finally. Our long, national nightmare is over. :rolleyes:

Time to move on methinks.

JRant · 10-06-2017 12:06am

DoctaDee wrote: »

No appeal from DC, confirmed by RTE.. nothing to see here..

The right call as well. Take his medicine and move on.

JRant · 10-06-2017 12:08am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Finally. Our long, national nightmare is over. :rolleyes:

Time to move on methinks.

It won't be over for some until Sam is pried from our cold dead hands

The Assistinator · 10-06-2017 7:45am

DoctaDee wrote: »

No appeal from DC, confirmed by RTE.. nothing to see here..

Fair play not his biggest fan but he done wrong and took his punishment hopefully sets an example for every county for the summer.

Drumpot · 10-06-2017 10:31am

I predict if Connolly returns and dublin win Sam , this will be brought back up. it wasn't a long enough punishment or something along the lines that Connolly is a disgrace to the game.

Stoner · 10-06-2017 2:59pm

Just when we thought we'd moved on !

ProudDUB · 10-06-2017 3:40pm

JRant wrote: »

It won't be over for some until Sam is pried from our cold dead hands

This time last year, a lot of so called experts said we had no chance of doing back to back with no Jack Flash and no Rory.

So it's time to up the ante with who we can win Sam without.

Maybe we should give Deano and Clucko an extended break too, just for $hits and giggles.

(Jayzus, it's only dawning on me now. No Dermo for 3 months. What the eff are we going to talk about?

)

Stoner · 10-06-2017 4:12pm

ProudDUB wrote:

(Jayzus, it's only dawning on me now. No Dermo for 3 months. What the eff are we going to talk about? )

John Cooper or Philly McMahon

Stoner · 10-06-2017 4:16pm

Or any typical low life character we have in the big smoke.

https://youtu.be/tMZHrXtPUUc

ProudDUB · 10-06-2017 4:19pm

Phily has been as good as gold (well, kind of) for 2 years now.

Someone else is gonna have to step up to the plate and become Public Enemy #1 for the rabid masses wesht of the Red Cow.

T'wud just not be summer without their having one. :rolleyes:

corny · 10-06-2017 4:41pm

Connolly is the type to look after himself. I'd say he'd drop in seamlessly enough should we get to the expected semi with the Ulster champions.

Look on the bright side he can't get in trouble while suspended......or can he.;)

JRant · 10-06-2017 6:07pm

He'll quietly train away up in Marino with Vinnies. This crack about not even being allowed train with a team is a complete nonsense anyway.

On the flip side Gavin might just not bring him back in for semi.

EICVD · 10-06-2017 9:36pm

99.9% sure a certain player in the news lately was enjoying a few at the Curragh today. Does Connolly usually wear glasses or was he trying to be in disguise.....

ProudDUB · 10-06-2017 10:34pm

Big, black rimmed yokes? Dare I even say quite nerdy looking? Yeah, I saw him sporting a pair of those while watching an O'Byrne Cup game last year. Probably just giving his eyes a break from the contacts.

That reminds me....who is going to take our penalties now?

Paddy Andrews? He kicked an awful anaemic looking one last year...can't remember against who. He may not even be the pitch at the time. Deano? There is a reason why he hasn't been taking them to now. Berno? One of the newer lads?

Dyr · 10-06-2017 11:01pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

That reminds me....who is going to take our penalties now?

Paddy Andrews? He kicked an awful anaemic looking one last year...can't remember against who. He may not even be the pitch at the time. Deano? There is a reason why he hasn't been taking them to now. Berno? One of the newer lads?

the problem wont arise. Gavins process dictates that any player who is about the enter the parralelelelgram shall turn and pass laterally to a player who is better positioned..... to pass it laterally to ciaran kilkenny

EICVD · 10-06-2017 11:52pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Big, black rimmed yokes? Dare I even say quite nerdy looking? Yeah, I saw him sporting a pair of those while watching an O'Byrne Cup game last year. Probably just giving his eyes a break from the contacts.

That reminds me....who is going to take our penalties now?

Paddy Andrews? He kicked an awful anaemic looking one last year...can't remember against who. He may not even be the pitch at the time. Deano? There is a reason why he hasn't been taking them to now. Berno? One of the newer lads?

Yeah they looked a bit nerdy alright. I'd go with O'Callaghan on the penalties.

JRant · 11-06-2017 12:54am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Big, black rimmed yokes? Dare I even say quite nerdy looking? Yeah, I saw him sporting a pair of those while watching an O'Byrne Cup game last year. Probably just giving his eyes a break from the contacts.

That reminds me....who is going to take our penalties now?

Paddy Andrews? He kicked an awful anaemic looking one last year...can't remember against who. He may not even be the pitch at the time. Deano? There is a reason why he hasn't been taking them to now. Berno? One of the newer lads?

I beleive the correct nomenclature is "hipster" glasses these days

DoctaDee · 11-06-2017 1:01am

I'll be using my influence with Jim to have Mannion on the penos if we ever get near the oppositions square this year

Stoner · 11-06-2017 1:07pm

ProudDUB wrote:

Paddy Andrews? He kicked an awful anaemic looking one last year...can't remember against who. He may not even be the pitch at the time. Deano? There is a reason why he hasn't been taking them to now. Berno? One of the newer lads?

Mannion?

ProudDUB · 11-06-2017 5:23pm

Stoner wrote: »

Mannion?

DoctaDee wrote: »

I'll be using my influence with Jim to have Mannion on the penos if we ever get near the oppositions square this year

Mannion?

Pourquoi?

Has he ever taken them before?

Stoner · 11-06-2017 5:25pm

ProudDUB wrote:

Has he ever taken them before?

Don't know, I just copied the other fella

Bass Reeves · 11-06-2017 6:42pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Paddy Andrews? He kicked an awful anaemic looking one last year...can't remember against who. He may not even be the pitch at the time. Deano? There is a reason why he hasn't been taking them to now. Berno? One of the newer lads?

Or maybe Tommo out there from around Blackrock or Johno from Stillorgan or maybe Micko from out the Northside. Then there Jimo and Timo from Tallagh they take peno's for there soccer clubs:rolleyes:

Stoner · 11-06-2017 7:13pm

Bass Reeves wrote:

Or maybe Tommo out there from around Blackrock or Johno from Stillorgan or maybe Micko from out the Northside. Then there Jimo and Timo from Tallagh they take peno's for there soccer clubs

Very good, who takes them for your team when they aren't watching trees growing?

Pa from Bastardstown, Paddy from Nobber,
Podge over in Spunkane, Pa Og in Muff,
Paddy the Bull below in Fartrim or possibly Small Paddy above in Dicksboro Hi ?

DoctaDee · 11-06-2017 7:24pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Mannion?

Pourquoi?

Has he ever taken them before?

Took them for UCD ..and also has a soccer background with Ireland schools ... And he's not Paddy Andrews

Stoner · 11-06-2017 7:57pm

DoctaDee wrote:

Took them for UCD ..and also has a soccer background with Ireland schools ... And he's not Paddy Andrews

And and he's scored goals in the championship , has Paddy scored a championship goal ?

Gael85 · 11-06-2017 8:20pm

Stoner wrote: »

And and he's scored goals in the championship , has Paddy scored a championship goal ?

Paddy has only one championship goal.Against Westmeath in 2013.

Bonniedog · 12-06-2017 1:20am

Stoner wrote: »

Very good, who takes them for your team when they aren't watching trees growing?

Pa from Bastardstown, Paddy from Nobber,
Podge over in Spunkane, Pa Og in Muff,
Paddy the Bull below in Fartrim or possibly Small Paddy above in Dicksboro Hi ?

We are not all explorers of the north county. No bother, There be grants for that.

Ball In Towards · 12-06-2017 9:38am

Looks like Connolly's gonna appeal after all...

http://www.98fm.com/Diarmuid-Connolly-WILL-Appeal-12Week-Ban-Reports

There's no chance of the ban being extended if he fails in this is there?

MayoAreMagic · 12-06-2017 9:51am

Ball In Towards wrote: »

Looks like Connolly's gonna appeal after all...

http://www.98fm.com/Diarmuid-Connolly-WILL-Appeal-12Week-Ban-Reports

There's no chance of the ban being extended if he fails in this is there?

Isnt there now a possibility to extend bans based on frivolous appeals being lodged?

KrustyUCC · 12-06-2017 10:23am

Ball In Towards wrote: »

Looks like Connolly's gonna appeal after all...

http://www.98fm.com/Diarmuid-Connolly-WILL-Appeal-12Week-Ban-Reports

There's no chance of the ban being extended if he fails in this is there?

It is a slim possibility as he did get get the minimum ban but I would say it will remain 12 weeks if upheld

There is also a possibility of the start date being brought to the date of appeal not the match when the incident happened

That might make him miss the all ireland semi final but that is a chance Connolly seems willing to take it seems

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