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All diesel fuel is not the same

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  • #102
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    Probably so, but each distributor may mix in their own additives before it hits the pumps

    How is that done.? All modern tankers are bottom filled I thought . They are sealed on top


  • #103
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    any bad motherf*ckers willing to to try this with petrol,
    in a dirty white t shirt and jeans , while smoking a fag ?


    all jokes aside - its a very interesting thread


  • #104
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    So got a reply back from Brand C


    Hi mikeecho,



    Firstly thank you again for your feed back and also for being so patient while we arranged our detailed testing as a result of your transaction from the plastic bottle,

    We had an external company on site who conducted a full sample not just on the tank which you purchased from but on all of our tanks,

    After this extremely detailed check was actioned it showed no presence of water nor sludge found in any of our fuel,

    Our fuel department are happy with these results and based on that and also the fact we didn’t receive any other complaints,

    We are unable to see an issue on our part,



    Again I would like to thank you for your feedback and would like to ensure you that we did take this matter very seriously,

    If however you have anymore questions or queries regarding this matter,

    Please do not hesitate to contact me on the below details,



    Kind regards,

    °°°°°°°°°°°°

    Site Manager

    I won't be buying fuel there ever again.... Not even for the lawnmower..


  • #105
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    mikeecho wrote: »
    So got a reply back from Brand C



    I won't be buying fuel there ever again.... Not even for the lawnmower..

    Why?


  • #106
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    wonski wrote: »
    Why?

    Did you bother to read the thread and view the pics.


  • #107
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Did you bother to read the thread and view the pics.

    I did.

    Call me an eejit, but this piece should never get into the engine. And never will.

    Contamination or a foreign body that would be filtered at some stage. Or burned at later stage.

    If not you can blame everyone, but the petrol station.


  • #108
    oleard1987
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭oleard1987


    Aside from brand C ,which one of brand A and brand B would you be buying genuinely as I would normally use the Circle K on lwr Glanmire rd


  • #109
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    oleard1987 wrote: »
    Aside from brand C ,which one of brand A and brand B would you be buying genuinely as I would normally use the Circle K on lwr Glanmire rd

    Normally I buy Circle K.. usually the plus fuel.

    But this time I needed to buy a large quantity (200L) so I split the purchase between two stations, and regular diesel.

    But, normally, .. it's CK plus diesel.

    Brand C was just a small test purchase to compare fuel colour.

    Bit the lump of shyte that came out of the nossel.... That's put me off brand C for life.


  • #110
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Normally I buy Circle K.. usually the plus fuel.

    But this time I needed to buy a large quantity (200L) so I split the purchase between two stations, and regular diesel.

    But, normally, .. it's CK plus diesel.

    Brand C was just a small test purchase to compare fuel colour.

    Bit the lump of shyte that came out of the nossel.... That's put me off brand C for life.

    Since there was nothing wrong (apparently) according to Mr petrol station, can you please name names?


  • #111
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    The choice of station is completely irrelevant. It all comes from one or other of only a few refineries.


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  • #112
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    The choice of station is completely irrelevant. It all comes from one or other of only a few refineries.
    Correct, But the tanks the diesel is held in are not all the same.


  • #113
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Correct, But the tanks the diesel is held in are not all the same.

    In the stations maybe not but in the refineries yes.


  • #114
    TheBoyConor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    Probably so, but each distributor may mix in their own additives before it hits the pumps

    I know for a fact this is not the case.

    Having discussed with someone who works at a refinery in Cork it was said that they produce petrol/diesel and it all gets stored in the same tanks. Suppliers/merchants then all collect their fuel from the same tanks.
    There are no specific Maxol, Circle K or Texaco tanks. There are no special blends for each brand. It is all the exact same. I have this from the horses mouth from an engineer who has worked there many years.


  • #115
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    I know for a fact this is not the case.

    Having discussed with someone who works at a refinery in Cork it was said that they produce petrol/diesel and it all gets stored in the same tanks. Suppliers/merchants then all collect their fuel from the same tanks.
    There are no specific Maxol, Circle K or Texaco tanks. There are no special blends for each brand. It is all the exact same. I have this from the horses mouth from an engineer who has worked there many years.

    The additive gets added when they load the truck.

    So, all the fuel in the tanks at the refinery is the exact same but when it gets pumped to the truck the additive gets added.

    So you are right and wrong! ;)


  • #116
    TheBoyConor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    Car99 wrote: »
    They'll say the station has a rusty fuel tank.

    They'll say nothing. they are hardly going to get into an email shouting match with some keyboard warrior with dirt in a bottle.


  • #117
    Mango Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    pburns wrote: »
    Quite hostile, defensive response to OP.
    Nobody wants to believe diesel might be variable? Or the cheaper stuff might be dodgy?

    There's psychology papers that could be written on the standard boards.ie response to anyone making an assertion outside of the readers own cozy comfort zone:

    "Well obviously you're a thorough c*nt so, blah, blah, blah, waffle, I'm so smart/right"

    As it happens I couldn't give 2 sh1ts if the fuel was indigo with green sparkly bits but I would say that the day people stop asking questions of the status quo will be a bleak one.

    OP anyone that can't adress you with basic manners and decency should be told to go fcuk themselves.


  • #118
    TheBoyConor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    All bitching aside, does the colour difference actually mean that the fuel is not up to the requried standard? I doubt it.

    Just put the fuel in your car or whatever it is, sit into it and off you go. If the car drives on ok then whats the problem?


  • #119
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    KCross wrote: »
    The additive gets added when they load the truck.

    So, all the fuel in the tanks at the refinery is the exact same but when it gets pumped to the truck the additive gets added.

    So you are right and wrong! ;)

    Yep, this is how it happens.


  • #120
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    All bitching aside, does the colour difference actually mean that the fuel is not up to the requried standard? I doubt it.

    Just put the fuel in your car or whatever it is, sit into it and off you go. If the car drives on ok then whats the problem?

    Mix them all together and move on.


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  • #121
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    speaking of tests on fuel quality, a friend of mine, flying light aircraft on Mogas (petrol--it's legal before you ask) had landed his aircraft when the engine stopped and wouldn't restart. When he checked the fuel tank, he had enough fuel for his flight and was mystified why it had stopped, thankfully on the ground. He normally stores his fuel in a plastic container / jerrycan, which has enough for the aircraft's fuel tank. It smelt unusual so he drained the fuel tank and stored it seperately and also isolated all the other fuel supplies sourced from the same garage.......I met him and was invited to smell the suspect fuel and I thought I smelled acetone, which has a distinct smell quite different from petrol. He subsequently sent some off to the UK to a test house and the reply showed that there was indeed acetone, trace elements of diesel, kerosene and another unspecified liquid mixed in with the ordinary petrol. So, he had to flush out his aircraft with clean fuel and dispose of all the suspect fuel, causing him a financial hit . The petrol station subsequently closed down and the alleged owners did a runner. From what he said, several local car owners suffered damage to their cars from the ddogy fuel but got no comeback.


  • #122
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Just a little update, the 3rd station that I got diesel at, the one where I found dirt in the sample, isn't selling diesel today.

    They have some mini diggers on the forecourt digging up where the fuel tanks are. Coincidence?
    Maybe
    Maybe not.


  • #123
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Just a little update, the 3rd station that I got diesel at, the one where I found dirt in the sample, isn't selling diesel today.

    They have some mini diggers on the forecourt digging up where the fuel tanks are. Coincidence?
    Maybe
    Maybe not.
    Seriously?

    As in 5 months later?

    If it was a couple of weeks, possibly.

    Relatively easy to clean an underground tank for specialists.

    As for different colors, go to the same station and buy 5 weeks in a row and I can guarantee you that the color will differ from week to week.

    A certain percentage of crude oil is easily refined to diesel (and petrol and jet fuel etc) but demand for diesel is higher than this level so the difference is "manufactured" with different petrochemicals to create the finished product.

    It differs week to week.

    If you are in Cork, maybe go to the refinery and ask for information.


  • #124
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Darc19 wrote: »
    Seriously?

    As in 5 months later?

    If it was a couple of weeks, possibly.

    Relatively easy to clean an underground tank for specialists.

    As for different colors, go to the same station and buy 5 weeks in a row and I can guarantee you that the color will differ from week to week.

    A certain percentage of crude oil is easily refined to diesel (and petrol and jet fuel etc) but demand for diesel is higher than this level so the difference is "manufactured" with different petrochemicals to create the finished product.

    It differs week to week.

    If you are in Cork, maybe go to the refinery and ask for information.

    Where were you 5 months ago with all this knowledge.


  • #125
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Where were you 5 months ago with all this knowledge.

    This is my post from 5 months ago - even told you what to Google to get proper expert information



    "One is probably supplied from whitegate refinery
    One is probably supplied by pembokeshire refinery.

    Diesel color changes slightly during the year too depending on chemicals required to refine it.

    Google "the color of diesel fuel - well-worth products" "


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