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JustCoz · 07-04-2008 12:38pm

Which test centre did you do it in? Maybe you just didn't have enough practise. Are you still cutting out etc?

Recon · 07-04-2008 12:41pm

10 faults? Didn't the tester tell you afterwards what all of them were or if you made the same mistake a few different times?

07-04-2008 6:07pm

That was a really good attempt for five lessons and 2 months expierence.

What you should do is take your sheet and use these guideline to pick up on your faults.

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/marking_guidelines.html

Whatever about tester ignoring a fault that might fail you, when they can see you deserve to pass.
They are not going to make up faults.

Taco Corp · 07-04-2008 6:18pm

I think that each tester has their own ways. I failed my first test by hitting a kerb going around a corner. This was after 40 minutes. I hadn't done anything else to bad before that. So on my second test, it was finished after 20 minutes. I asked the tester why so short after the lenght of time the first one was, he said that i could see you were a good driver, I had no lessons in between. So I reckon that some do go out to try and get you to fail!!

ztoical · 07-04-2008 6:36pm

Recon wrote: »

10 faults? Didn't the tester tell you afterwards what all of them were or if you made the same mistake a few different times?

the testers aren't allowed to discuss the test results with you - they just hand you a sheet which shows each section of the test and what grade marking if any you got for each section.

ztoical · 07-04-2008 6:38pm

fguihen wrote: »

after 2 months expirience and 5 lessons, i failed my test, 10 grade 2 faults.

how much driving outside of the lessons were doing for the 2 months?

Taco Corp · 07-04-2008 6:45pm

ztoical wrote: »

the testers aren't allowed to discuss the test results with you - they just hand you a sheet which shows each section of the test and what grade marking if any you got for each section.

The first tester i had, openly discused the faults i made and where i went wrong. at least that's how it was 4years ago. Why would they not tell you?

07-04-2008 7:39pm

Surley wrote: »

I think that each tester has their own ways. I failed my first test by hitting a kerb going around a corner. This was after 40 minutes. I hadn't done anything else to bad before that. So on my second test, it was finished after 20 minutes. I asked the tester why so short after the lenght of time the first one was, he said that i could see you were a good driver, I had no lessons in between. So I reckon that some do go out to try and get you to fail!!

Hello! Do you realise how dangerous banging a tire against a kerb it. It can weaken the wall and cause a blowout sometime later.
This happened to a friend of a friend of mine, and it pulled her under a lorry paralysing her and killing her passanger.

How can you expect someone to ignore a grade three.

Kimbot · 07-04-2008 7:49pm

When I done my first test the tester gave me 4 faults on left turns even though there were only 2 left turns. I failed outright on the reverse the corner so I didn't mind but when we were driving back into the centre he started to mark faults all over the page for no reason, I only had 3 faults in total and I was in the test centre car park and he magically found about 11 more faults to mark on the form, one of which was a grade 2 for the rules on the road which should have been marked before we went out driving. Also he had a bad attitude towards me having alloys on the car. When I rang the test centre to re book I toold them about what had happened and they gave me a retest free of charge and told me a few people had complained about a tester in that centre.

CamperMan · 07-04-2008 7:59pm

after 2 months expirience and 5 lessons.....

are you serious, no wonder there are so many car accidents in Ireland, I don't think that you have had enough lessons or experience and that is why you failed!

bluefirefly · 07-04-2008 8:04pm

jonny24ie wrote: »

When I done my first test the tester gave me 4 faults on left turns even though there were only 2 left turns. I failed outright on the reverse the corner so I didn't mind but when we were driving back into the centre he started to mark faults all over the page for no reason, I only had 3 faults in total and I was in the test centre car park and he magically found about 11 more faults to mark on the form, one of which was a grade 2 for the rules on the road which should have been marked before we went out driving. Also he had a bad attitude towards me having alloys on the car. When I rang the test centre to re book I toold them about what had happened and they gave me a retest free of charge and told me a few people had complained about a tester in that centre.

wow. some aggressive tester!!

OP. 2 months driving and so few lessons dont think that will make you pass.. i think you need more. The testers are not suppose to talk to you about the grade sheets( its written on the grade sheet i think ) but you should give it to ur insturctor and he'll tell you what they're about.

About the amount of times on road,on the grade sheet is 25/45 mins. mine was about 20mins.And yes,i think it really depends on the testers impression on you. If they know you're a good driver(know all the rule of roads, good positioning, good maneoeurs , good progress ) they'll go easy on you. But if not, they'll make you on the road longer to make sure are you actually ok on the road.

Hitting the kerb is an auto fail, no way you'll pass with that

P.S. i know someone passed their test but doesnt even have their L-plates!!

Todoquetengo · 07-04-2008 8:08pm

I failed my test the first time and when I showed the sheet to my instructor, she said that they usually stop marking faults once you've already failed.

Also when I did my test the second time there were two cases where I knew i'd made a mistake, but he didn't mark them straight away, we were nearly back at the centre before I noticed him doing it.

The Real B-man · 07-04-2008 8:58pm

CamperMan wrote: »

after 2 months expirience and 5 lessons.....

are you serious, no wonder there are so many car accidents in Ireland, I don't think that you have had enough lessons or experience and that is why you failed!

Not Necessarily i passed my Test after 2 Months with only 5 lessons & 3 Pretests it just takes practice practice practice! and some people pick it up better than others.

Taco Corp · 07-04-2008 9:06pm

Moonbaby wrote: »

Hello! Do you realise how dangerous banging a tire against a kerb it. It can weaken the wall and cause a blowout sometime later.
This happened to a friend of a friend of mine, and it pulled her under a lorry paralysing her and killing her passanger.

How can you expect someone to ignore a grade three.

Don't get me wrong, I knew that it was an automatic failure as soon as it happened and rightly so. But I didn't bang the tire, I drove over the kerb as I was turning left at a stop sign, therefore at a very low speed. So in my opinion the tyre wouldn't have been damaged.

Having said that I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

Zapp Brannigan · 07-04-2008 9:13pm

Hitting the kerb is not a grade 3, mounting it is. There's a difference.

Wishbone Ash · 07-04-2008 9:19pm

Thread merged with proper one!

Wishbone Ash · 07-04-2008 9:25pm

bluefirefly wrote: »

i know someone passed their test but doesnt even have their L-plates!!

Not required in some categories!

ztoical · 08-04-2008 9:09am

Surley wrote: »

The first tester i had, openly discused the faults i made and where i went wrong. at least that's how it was 4years ago. Why would they not tell you?

Some of the tester do tell people but they aren't suppose to.

Smiley012 · 15-04-2008 11:02pm

Failed my test in churchtown yday

Got 11 grade 2s, unfortunately. I failed on hazards and reversing around corners.

I waited 5 months for this test to come up had 300euro worth of lessons with <SNIP> school of motoring, to be stuck with an old guy as my instructor who barely told me if i was doing anything wrong!

but beside the point, was very upset as you can imagine. Had the bad luck to have a driver in a HUGE black lexus jeep thing storm around a bend on my side of the road, had to slam on the breaks and reverse, and as i tried to reverse car wasn't in gear properly and rolled forward eeever so slightly, so i got 3 grade twos for that in hazard reaction.

tester was lovely, but he did bring me to the BUSIEST corner EVER to reverse around, and cos people don't know that you're reversing around a corner because you never do that, they kept coming right up behind me until I couldn't move back any further and I had to signal them to move on.

also, I studied the psychology of instruction and learning, and whats the point in doing a test to not receive adequate feedback? you won't learn anything! i fail to see the point of not allowing the instructor to tell you what you have done wrong specifically? anyone enlighten me on this?

back to waiting ANOTHER 5 months for my next test... nightmare!!!

Easy Rider · 16-04-2008 3:05pm

You may not have to wait 5 months, I failed my first test in Feb, have another in April (did not ask for cancellations or anything). Now I did not get the test centre I asked for the second time around, this is what they are doing now....you just have to go to where you are told....My first one was in Raheny, failed by one single grade 2....my next one is in Swords, while I don't know the area well I am glad to get the oppertunity again.

In my first test I stalled the car waiting at traffic lights, something I have never done before or since probably nerves, problem was I could not use my own car as a fault light came on the dashboard the night before the test......so they won't test you....I can't get the fault light off, I have spent hundreds at mechanics and it keeps popping back up, so again I will be using a different car for the test which is a real pain...the mechanic has advised there is nothing wrong with the car, it would be good if they could get a signed copy from a mechanic saying it is road worthy etc...but hey, I can't simply buy a new car...

Wishbone Ash · 16-04-2008 9:59pm

Hard luck Smiley.

Smiley012 wrote: »

they kept coming right up behind me until I couldn't move back any further and I had to signal them to move on

You would also have gained a fault for that. You must never gesture to another motorist while on the test. A reversing vehicle has no right of way and must give way to all other vehicles. It's acceptable to 'thank' another motorist but never signal anyone to move on. The rules seem to have changed as it used to be an automatic failure.

Smiley wrote:

whats the point in doing a test to not receive adequate feedback?

Unfortunately some people may not accept what the examiner has said and an argument may ensue. You do receive a report form though and you have the right to appeal for a retest with a different examinerif you feel that you were unfairly treated

angrylearner · 18-04-2008 12:21am

Rite decided to come on here to warn people about this so your not as stupid as I was and to find out whether this is normal or not. Just before doing my test my instructor told me to maintain a constant speed of 50km per hour on straights to avoid getting faults for "hesitancy". I like an idiot followed his advice to the tee and became obsessed with not letting my speed deviate a km either way on the speedometer on the straights. When we got back to the test centre he told me unfortunately i had failed although he thought I was an excellent driver. I got more than four feckin faults in the same category, an automatic fail (for staring at the speedometer) and the really annoying thing was I only got two other faults in the whole test. No sorry scratch that the really annoying thing was that the tester confessed to me that the whole hestitancy thing in relation to speed was a bit of a myth and its perfectly fine to drop a couple of kilometres down and you dont need to be obsessing about it. So thats a warning if anyone was gonna be as stupid as me, it's the last thing i needed with the ole lc coming up in a few weeks G'luck to all the fellow learners before the scumbags kick us off the roads in June!

angrylearner · 18-04-2008 12:26am

Btw forgot to mention. Why the hell can't they just tell you if you make a slight mistake? My tester just sat their silently watching me make the same little mistake again and again and just on one little stupid stretch of road knowing full well I was digging my own grave. Even an unusual sounding cough would have been something I mean c'mon throw me a frickin bone! SOOOOO pissed off thinking about it. Nobody ever mentioned anything to me about looking at my speedometer before the test or anything!

Wishbone Ash · 18-04-2008 12:43am

angrylearner wrote: »

the scumbags kick us off the roads in June!

Please explain?

angrylearner wrote: »

Why the hell can't they just tell you if you make a slight mistake?

Because it is an examination - not an instruction lesson!

Alanstrainor · 18-04-2008 12:48am

angrylearner wrote: »

Nobody ever mentioned anything to me about looking at my speedometer before the test or anything!

I mean come on, of all the things you must check during your test the speedo has to be the most obvious. Breaking the law is always going to fail you in a TEST, it's not the testers job to correct you, that was your instructors job, if you were never told you need to check the speedometer by your previous instructor i would seriously recommend a new one.

Permabear · 18-04-2008 1:31am

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ciaran76 · 18-04-2008 9:25am

Failed ! Brake light on left side failed to work this morning !!!

Checked it last night and was working fine !!!:o:mad:

angrylearner · 18-04-2008 1:10pm

Well what I meant about June is thats when the new rules come in that provisional drivers can get fined very heavily if caught driving alone. I also said to maintain a constant speed of 50 on the straights,obviously I don't mean at all times that would just be insane! maybe i was too confusing i don't know. Oh and by the way a few people did'nt even read what I said properly I never broke the speed limit and I got more than four faults for looking at my speedometer TOO MUCH not for not checking it. these faults all happened within the space of about a minute, minute and a half c'mon am I the only one who thinks thats a tad unfair, bearing in mind I only got two other faults and my instructor after the test said he'd never heard of anyone failing for this before. BTW bad luck Ciaran, how unlucky do is that

Wishbone Ash · 18-04-2008 1:20pm

angrylearner wrote: »

Well what I meant about June is thats when the new rules come in that provisional drivers can get fined very heavily if caught driving alone

That sounds a lot better than referring to "scumbags" kicking you off the road!

The changes in June only affect those on a 2nd Provisional Licence/Learner Permit. Those on a 1st, 3rd and subsequent Provisional Licence/Learner Permit were always required to be accompanied (except those in A,A1,M and W).

Permabear · 18-04-2008 1:22pm

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angrylearner · 18-04-2008 1:28pm

Ash- ya but they're gonna start pulling over learner drivers driving alone and start actually doing something about it. Now they just ignore you even if they can see your L plates and can see your driving alone. this happens to me atleast a few times a week even when they've been stopping traffic doing checks they've never said anything. Donegalfella that might be true that its a fault but to get more than 4 on a stretch of road i was only on for a couple of minutes seems unfair. I was also annoyed because i'd been told just before the test that when the way was clear I should stay excatly on 50, I even asked does it matter if you go a couple of km under the limit and my instructor said it did because it showed you didnt have control of the car. The faults were grade 2s

annabel · 21-04-2008 11:14pm

Hi ,
I failed teat in clonshaiugh last week . pissed off was doing really well , five minutes from test centre A cyclist indicated right > I didn t do anything as I said maybe he is not turning right . so I held off , Then he went straight on . then he suddenly turned left amd so did I at the same time I didn't see that coming . Up till that I had 4 fault s but that was a grad e 3 . I left it for two days and reapplied . so hopefully i'll be ok and get it next tim e. I wouldn't mind but I aced the reverse and I was worried about that !

annabel · 21-04-2008 11:15pm

Hi ,
I failed test in clonshaiugh last week . pissed off was doing really well , five minutes from test centre A cyclist indicated right I didn t do anything as I said maybe he is not turning right . so I held off , Then he went straight on . then he suddenly turned left amd so did I at the same time I didn't see that coming . Up till that I had 4 fault s but that was a grade 3 . I left it for two days and reapplied . so hopefully i'll be ok and get it next tim e. I wouldn't mind but I aced the reverse and I was worried about that !

bluetoffee · 23-04-2008 4:05pm

failed in fonthill today, completely blame the tester i have to day, was a complete and utter nut job! At the centre when he looked at my licence he asked was i sure my birthdate was right on it because i seemed a bit young looking to be 25!!!! then about 15m out of the car park in the centre he suddenly asked me to pull over (on double yellows!) and jumped out of the car and held his hand on the bonnet for what seemed like forever, then got back in and said sorry thought i saw something, minds playing tricks. (ok i was really worried now and at this point probably should have refused to go any further). then coming out of the retail park he told me to take the second exit which is right (the second is straight on so i asked him did he mean second straight or third right) he said second straight, so im in lane for that, ways clear so go onto roundabout and he suddenly shouts sorry i meant third right, im in wrong lane for that with an articulated on the inside of me thats 3 times as long as my car and completely blocking me out of lane, so i stay where i am and then the truck starts pulling across me so i brake, just as well seeing as the truck would have hit me had i not. then when i get my results the tester declares he failed me because i was in the wrong lane on the roundabout and didnt react to the truck at all, which i did or he never would have got back to the centre in one piece!

notahappycamper · 23-04-2008 4:11pm

bluetoffee wrote: »

failed in fonthill today, completely blame the tester i have to day, was a complete and utter nut job! At the centre when he looked at my licence he asked was i sure my birthdate was right on it because i seemed a bit young looking to be 25!!!! then about 15m out of the car park in the centre he suddenly asked me to pull over (on double yellows!) and jumped out of the car and held his hand on the bonnet for what seemed like forever, then got back in and said sorry thought i saw something, minds playing tricks. (ok i was really worried now and at this point probably should have refused to go any further). then coming out of the retail park he told me to take the second exit which is right (the second is straight on so i asked him did he mean second straight or third right) he said second straight, so im in lane for that, ways clear so go onto roundabout and he suddenly shouts sorry i meant third right, im in wrong lane for that with an articulated on the inside of me thats 3 times as long as my car and completely blocking me out of lane, so i stay where i am and then the truck starts pulling across me so i brake, just as well seeing as the truck would have hit me had i not. then when i get my results the tester declares he failed me because i was in the wrong lane on the roundabout and didnt react to the truck at all, which i did or he never would have got back to the centre in one piece!

<SNIP> I'd complain but you have to go to the district court to appeal and if successful you get to do the test again free of charge.

Holsten · 23-04-2008 4:40pm

Yeah I would deffo complain/Appeal.

Thats crazy.

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cc · 24-04-2008 1:21pm

i failed my first test and wanted to throw mine away, but i'm glad i didn't, showed it to my instructor when preparing for my next test and he got me sorted on my weak points and passed next time around....was nice to compare the two results sheets in the end though :cool:

CerebralCortex · 25-04-2008 4:24pm

bluetoffee wrote: »

failed in fonthill today, completely blame the tester i have to day, was a complete and utter nut job! At the centre when he looked at my licence he asked was i sure my birthdate was right on it because i seemed a bit young looking to be 25!!!! then about 15m out of the car park in the centre he suddenly asked me to pull over (on double yellows!) and jumped out of the car and held his hand on the bonnet for what seemed like forever, then got back in and said sorry thought i saw something, minds playing tricks. (ok i was really worried now and at this point probably should have refused to go any further). then coming out of the retail park he told me to take the second exit which is right (the second is straight on so i asked him did he mean second straight or third right) he said second straight, so im in lane for that, ways clear so go onto roundabout and he suddenly shouts sorry i meant third right, im in wrong lane for that with an articulated on the inside of me thats 3 times as long as my car and completely blocking me out of lane, so i stay where i am and then the truck starts pulling across me so i brake, just as well seeing as the truck would have hit me had i not. then when i get my results the tester declares he failed me because i was in the wrong lane on the roundabout and didnt react to the truck at all, which i did or he never would have got back to the centre in one piece!

I read on the test website that you can appeal your test result if you feel you unfairly tested.

bluetoffee · 25-04-2008 9:34pm

i looked into the appeal and lodged a complaint with SGS, i was offered a free retest but was told not to bother appealing as no test result is ever overturned, all a successful appeal gets you is a free retest and i got that anyway

coolshark · 27-04-2008 8:16pm

I'm a driving instructor so any questions regarding learning to drive or doing a driving test, how to pass of fail etc. send me a mail pls. I'd only be too happy to answer any questions. I operate only on all test centres in NORTH DUBLIN and know all the routes so feel free to post me a mail and any mails will be replied to asap.

All the best

coolshark · 27-04-2008 8:20pm

Any questions regarding learning to drive or doing a driving test and how to avoid picking up marks etc send me a mail and I'd only be too happy to advise anyone who has any questions. I only operate on test centres/routes in NORTH DUBLIN though but I know all the routes.

Take Care all:)

coolshark · 27-04-2008 8:31pm

CerebralCortex wrote: »

I read on the test website that you can appeal your test result if you feel you unfairly tested.

Makes me mad when I hear something like that happening in a test. I wish I could record some tests secretly esp a complete w****r in Raheny test centre who gives last minute instructions esp on roundabouts. One of my clients was doing her test and told to "Go Yellow" she said "Go Yellow??" then last minute he said "Go left!!" He changed his mind on a min roundabout when she was about to continue 2nd exit and he said "Sorry 3Rd exit!!" with a car up her arse!! This kind of thing is unbelievable. Its up to the applicant to complain to the Supervisor of RSA but to be honest yes all that will happen is that the applicant will get a free test and the result will never be overturned. This kind of thing happened two of my clients with the same tester in Raheny and both of them avoided applying to Raheny just to avoid him which is terrible. Its so frustrating its a bit like soccer referees in the Premiership with wrong decisions and inconsistencies and grading of marks. I sympathise with anyone if this kind of thing happens on the test.

Best thing to do is to not let it beat you and re-apply. Chances are you wont get the same tester or apply directly to a SGS centre. They have a much higher pass rate!! Good luck

coolshark · 27-04-2008 8:54pm

donegalfella wrote: »

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Donegalfella is right. If you spend too much time looking at your speed you will not pick up on what is happening around you and lose marks for observation or if a hazard is ahead you wont react in time.

I hear this alot. Ppl ask me "Can you observe too much?" Yes if you are still looking to the right when you have already made the the decision to turn left then you should be looking to the left:) Worrying about the speed too much is just down to nerves. If you get the revs up depending on the size of your engine in 3rd gear you should be automatically doing 50 km/h then use 4th.

5 things you should always be doing on a stretch of road:
Checking:
Scanning ahead anticipating what may happen as far up the road as you can see to avoid an accident and ready to react in good time.
You rearview mirror every so often c. every 20 seconds
Your road position
Your speed!!
You're in the correct gear.

Dont spend too much time checking your speed or other aspects of your driving will suffer.

jenizzle · 28-04-2008 11:21am

I failed again last week in Deansgrange. I drove too slow in the housing estates, and got a lot of grade 2's for not using my accelerator, gears and brakes properly because of it.

How the hell does that even make sense?! Look out kiddies, next time I'll have to go faster and kill you all if you walk out in front of me!!

red girl · 30-04-2008 9:05pm

:pac:passed mine,had lessons with great instructor jim yorke would recommend him to anyone

SeanW · 30-04-2008 9:13pm

That's bonkers. I always take it easy going through housing estates.

magicEye · 03-05-2008 11:50am

Failed today. First time.
Had nothing written on the report (and had already done the reverse around the corner and the turnabout) until I had two cars coming behind on a bus lane (they were pissed off for being behind me at 50 km/h) just before a roundabout..then there was a short piece of lane that you're supposed to go in for the roundabout (just after the bus lane ends)..so I indicated left to go in there...right before I moved into there, I heard the tester shouting to stop....those two cars tried to go first on the roundabout so they nearly bumped into me....I didn't even have the time to check my right hand mirror, was only observing traffic in the roundabout....Of course I got a grade 3 for observation and then the tester made sure he filled every space available in the observation....so that's the end of story...
He gave out to me as well for staying in the right hand land for taking a second exit on the roundabout that was after 12 o'clock (and when I told me that my instructor taught me that, he said it's wrong....).

Anyway, it really is a matter of luck at the end of the day...you can completely fail for mistakes of other people driving...

So I feel completely miserable, waisted loads of time on lessons, just doesn't feel right.

Magic

ztoical · 03-05-2008 12:09pm

magicEye wrote: »

Anyway, it really is a matter of luck at the end of the day...you can completely fail for mistakes of other people driving...

It sucks to fail but did you not check your mirror before you signaled to move into the left lane?

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