How to fix antisocial areas

Eric Cartman · 21-02-2020 12:44am

LirW wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but I hear this quite a lot that areas with a high student population are to be avoided. May I ask why?
My hometown on the continent is a big university city and I lived in an area with big student population since it was a stone throw away from one of the big institutions. I had several student shares in my building where I lived as a single with a small child and I never once had a problem there, it was a great place to live and I paid good money to live there.

Irish students drinking habits don't compare to the continent.

Vivienne23 · 21-02-2020 12:44am

bubblypop wrote: »

You do realise that anti social behavior happens everywhere, not just social housing estates yes?

Yes but not as concentrated as in those estates,not all social estates either , I don't remember ever saying it was unique to social housing must be a different post your thinking of

BanditLuke · 21-02-2020 12:46am

bubblypop wrote: »

You do realise that anti social behavior happens everywhere, not just social housing estates yes?

Think you are wasting your time attempting to explain that here. Apparently its only social housing tenants that are trouble. Some seem to be magically able to tell where someone lives just by looking at them incredible really.

TSQ · 21-02-2020 12:48am

Always Tired wrote: »

I always have to laugh when people come up with these strategies. If it was up to me I'd.... and then its something so simplistic and unworkable it's clear they have no clue about the issue.

First of all, do you realize having the unemployed 'work for their dole' would completely undercut waged work, making the minimum wage irrelevant? Think about it.

Your strategy is to replace council workers with those on the dole. Great job. Guess the council workers will have to do what then? Go on the dole? And then what, do their old job for way less money. Honestly, think it through a bit further.

Btw, there are loads of CE scheme workers already doing cleaning and landscaping of estates ,but it's voluntary and they get 20 euro on top of the dole. We also have people who do litter cleanup for community service. So take that on board - we have council workers, CE scheme and community service already doing this.

You don't have any real insight to this issue, you're just a dole basher. Otherwise you would suggest linking people to actual paid work. But you want to force them to pick up rubbish on the road, because you want to punish them, not help them. What if they are educated and trained for a professional field but unable to get work in it, why should they be made to pick up litter, how is that helping anyone?
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So it is demeaning for someone “educated” to take a menial job because they cant get work to suit their “professional” status, but not demeaning for them to live off the taxes paid by cleaners, bin men and street cleaners. As someone with a degree who did all kinds of low paid work in the 1980s recession (waitressing, cleaning, pub work... I cleaned toilets, and would have cleaned the streets too, to get paid work) your attitude is typical of entitlement culture. Unemployment benefit Plus all the extras is way too high, should be cut right back, at the same time as hiking the minimum wage up to €15/hr, so those working poor are given a leg up. And if you are an unemployed rocket scientist, retrain, emigrate or clean toilets, dont expect others to pay for you to sit at home feeling sorry for yourself.

Vivienne23 · 21-02-2020 12:50am

TSQ wrote: »

So it is demeaning for someone “educated” to take a menial job because they cant get work to suit their “professional” status, but not demeaning for them to live off the taxes paid by cleaners, bin men and street cleaners. As someone with a degree who did all kinds of low paid work in the 1980s recession (waitressing, cleaning, pub work... I cleaned toilets, and would have cleaned the streets too, to get paid work) your attitude is typical of entitlement culture. Unemployment benefit Plus all the extras is way too high, should be cut right back, at the same time as hiking the minimum wage up to €15/hr, so those working poor are given a leg up. And if you are an unemployed rocket scientist, retrain, emigrate or clean toilets, dont expect others to pay for you to sit at home feeling sorry for yourself.

Finally a bit of sense ! Couldn't agree more

21-02-2020 1:04am

Vivienne23 wrote: »

Yes but not as concentrated as in those estates,not all social estates either , I don't remember ever saying it was unique to social housing must be a different post your thinking of

No
Definitely your posts, particularly where you state you are a dole basher.

creditcarder · 21-02-2020 1:05am

Am I the only one who thinks violent offenders below the age of 21 should serve in the military for a year or two? Might give them structure, male role models and a possible career.

Or be a training ground.

Vivienne23 · 21-02-2020 1:10am

bubblypop wrote: »

No
Definitely your posts, particularly where you state you are a dole basher.

Working for a living and not expecting anything for free, gives me a right to be a dolebasher , I have never and will never expect a government to provide me with something for nothing , I guess that's the way I was brought up you work hard, pay your taxes dutifully and buy your own ****

I often regret the days Id be productive instead of stealing cars and terrorising neighbourhoods /s

Enjoy figuring this one out ,I'm out !

jaxxx · 21-02-2020 1:17am

Vivienne23 wrote: »

Working for a living and not expecting anything for free, gives me a right to be a dolebasher , I have never and will never expect a government to provide me with something for nothing , I guess that's the way I was brought up you work hard, pay your taxes dutifully and buy your own ****

I often regret the days Id be productive instead of stealing cars and terrorising neighbourhoods /s

Enjoy figuring this one out ,I'm out !

So everyone on the dole is like that? Those that genuinely can't find work? Those on sick leave? Etc.

creditcarder · 21-02-2020 1:20am

How much do you make on the dole as a sidenote?

J_1980 · 21-02-2020 7:06am

creditcarder wrote: »

How much do you make on the dole as a sidenote?

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/one_parent_family_payment.html#l62fd2

Single mum with a child gets 1040 per month, likely free housing (council house payments are optional in this country). Keep in mind you can do some off-the-record gig work on the side (makeup, child minding etc).

Most people on 35k don’t have more money after rent/mortgage and work related costs (travel, outfit) etc.
Socialism always impoverishes the middle class, but the Irish seem to like it. Luckily there are options for those who don’t (uk usa australia..)

feelthepower · 21-02-2020 7:25am

J_1980 wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/one_parent_family_payment.html#l62fd2

Single mum with a child gets 1040 per month, likely free housing (council house payments are optional in this country). Keep in mind you can do some off-the-record gig work on the side (makeup, child minding etc).

Most people on 35k don’t have more money after rent/mortgage and work related costs (travel, outfit) etc.
Socialism always impoverishes the middle class, but the Irish seem to like it. Luckily there are options for those who don’t (uk usa australia..)

Scandalous, If you can't pay for your child it should be taken off you.

Lets see how fast people keep their legs closed then.

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 7:50am

BanditLuke wrote: »

At least. It's all a bit pathetic really.

and the term " anti social" is applied to the wrong people...

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 7:51am

feelthepower wrote: »

Scandalous, If you can't pay for your child it should be taken off you.

Lets see how fast people keep their legs closed then.

Back to RC policy? That didn't work!

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 7:54am

creditcarder wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks violent offenders below the age of 21 should serve in the military for a year or two? Might give them structure, male role models and a possible career.

Or be a training ground.

An excellent idea often mooted but never implemented

There is a scheme in the UK where repeat offenders are sent to a tough army camp to learn discipline and respect from really tough sergeants .. Give the army something to do.

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 7:59am

handlemaster wrote: »

There are lots of antisocial estates in Ireland. How can this be fixed realistically. Jobs are of no interest to some people. But what can be done when crime is being committed ? Perhaps a simple idea like every house have a Ring door bell installed and the subsequent footage pulled by the gardai when an instant happens. Perhaps support from the local council with cost could be raised.

Ah Big Brother?

mcgragger · 21-02-2020 8:00am

If we had a decent police force with police that were properly trained, conditioned and managed then that's a start. Aslo a functioning courts system where people that appear there multiple times are put in jail. How many times do you read about criminals with loads of convictions?
The problem with this country is we have a system that doesn't scare the criminals at all and they'd probably outrun the majority of the unfit police in the Gardai anyway.

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 8:01am

BanditLuke wrote: »

Think you are wasting your time attempting to explain that here. Apparently its only social housing tenants that are trouble. Some seem to be magically able to tell where someone lives just by looking at them incredible really.

They tattoo us on the forehead with invisible ink..

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 8:08am

Thank you for your pm; can you allow a reply please? Happy to give you my email also. Blessings and peace...

AulWan wrote: »

Here we go, yet another thread, bashing social housing and tarring all it's occupants with the same brush.

How many is that today, three?

Wanderer78 · 21-02-2020 8:12am

J_1980 wrote:

Most people on 35k donâ€™t have more money after rent/mortgage and work related costs (travel, outfit) etc. Socialism always impoverishes the middle class, but the Irish seem to like it. Luckily there are options for those who donâ€™t (uk usa australia..)

Socialism! In bog standard free market economy ireland!

declanflynn · 21-02-2020 9:01am

feelthepower wrote: »

Scandalous, If you can't pay for your child it should be taken off you.

Lets see how fast people keep their legs closed then.

If a young one gets pregnant she shouldn't get a free house, she should live with her own parents, if she couldn't look after herself how is she going to bring up a child

Eric Cartman · 21-02-2020 9:15am

BanditLuke wrote: »

Think you are wasting your time attempting to explain that here. Apparently its only social housing tenants that are trouble. Some seem to be magically able to tell where someone lives just by looking at them incredible really.

I dont think anyone has made that point at all , Ofcourse it happens everywhere but theres factors that make it more likely within social housing.

1) ‘the devil makes work for idle hands’ - 62% of social tenants are solely welfare recipients, 24 hours a day with no commitments, above average stats on substance abuse and binge drinking , its a recipie for anti social behaviour

2) we live in the lone parents capitol of the world and this usually means single mothers, the absense of a father figure and male role models often leads to boys participating in anti social behaviour and crime

3) education standards among parents and children alike, incidents of learning difficulties such as add/adhd are statistically more prevalent in social housing which increases the chance of participating in anti social behaviour

4) poverty rates smong social housing tenants are higher , increasing the risk of participation in criminality for additional income

Not everyone in social housing is a layabout, criminal, drunk or a feckless parent by any means, but most of them are in social housing.

Keep social housing concentrations low, have children mix with kids whos fathers are present and positive role models, report anti social incidents to tusla and the gardai and you can have a happy mix in a development.

The Student · 21-02-2020 9:27am

BanditLuke wrote: »

Think you are wasting your time attempting to explain that here. Apparently its only social housing tenants that are trouble. Some seem to be magically able to tell where someone lives just by looking at them incredible really.

Lets just look at this concept a bit deeper. Anti social behaviour does happen in all areas however there is a higher prevalence and at the higher end of the scale in social housing areas.

If the same level and type of anti social behaviour is occurring everywhere as this thread will lead us to believe then why are all new housing developments required to provide social and affordable housing.

Logic would suggest if there were no social houses in a development than the State could get the value of the 20% social housing requirement in a development and use those funds to build a higher number of houses than the 20% of the houses in any new development.

So if you had 10 x €500k houses there would 2 x €500k so the State could get €1m which could build 4 x €250k houses for social tenants.

spurious · 21-02-2020 9:44am

Parenting classes.

Loss of children's allowance if child does not attend school, hospital appointments etc. If you are not parenting properly, why should you benefit from it?
Having taught children from many of these areas, a parent teacher meeting (with almost no parents working) could often result in a parent appearing for less than 20% of the children in a class. Give a sh1t about how your kids are getting on, ffs.

Adjustment of SW system so that getting into work results in higher FIS payments/medical coverage etc. - is is ludicrous that getting into even very low paid work results in people losing out on a medical card for example. There is no incentive to work if it means a worse standard of living than on the dole.

I would agree with nothing for nothing. A school leaver should not be able to sign straight on the dole. No harm in a few weeks in some sort of community benefitting scheme (graffiti removal etc.) before being able to collect social welfare, even for 6 weeks or so, to 'pay' society for their unpaid for allowances.

Investigate where large new SUVs, regular expensive holidays etc. are coming from in households supposedly only on benefits. Decent people need to see those who are blatantly milking the system be caught.

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 9:51am

Vivienne23 wrote: »

Read the last line

You mean the cliché about " contributing to society" I assume?

OK. Specify how ? What is there for folk to do ? How do YOU know what folk are doing?

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 9:56am

spurious wrote: »

Parenting classes.

Loss of children's allowance if child does not attend school, hospital appointments etc. If you are not parenting properly, why should you benefit from it?
Having taught children from many of these areas, a parent teacher meeting (with almost no parents working) could often result in a parent appearing for less than 20% of the children in a class. Give a sh1t about how your kids are getting on, ffs.

Adjustment of SW system so that getting into work results in higher FIS payments/medical coverage etc. - is is ludicrous that getting into even very low paid work results in people losing out on a medical card for example. There is no incentive to work if it means a worse standard of living than on the dole.

I would agree with nothing for nothing. A school leaver should not be able to sign straight on the dole. No harm in a few weeks in some sort of community benefitting scheme (graffiti removal etc.) before being able to collect social welfare, even for 6 weeks or so, to 'pay' society for their unpaid for allowances.

Investigate where large new SUVs, regular expensive holidays etc. are coming from in households supposedly only on benefits. Decent people need to see those who are blatantly milking the system be caught.

Taught by who please? Some well off person pontificating?

Words fail re your last para.. MYOB applies

spurious · 21-02-2020 9:59am

Graces7 wrote: »

Words fail re your last para.. MYOB applies

Citizenship classes for some.

**actually don't bother with them. I see you have a history of trolling/forum bans.

u140acro3xs7dm · 21-02-2020 10:03am

Graces7 wrote: »

Taught by who please? Some well off person pontificating?

Words fail re your last para.. MYOB applies

Maybe large new SUVs is a little exaggerated, but everyone knows a family who goes on a foreign holiday regularly enough and drives decent cars, yet they haven't worked in years, if ever.

Questions need to be asked how someone on benefits can afford this. Benefits should be enough to give you the essentials in life and keep you off the poverty line. The essentials being food, warmth and shelter - not Sky TV, a Nissan Qashqai and a trip to Benidorm.

Jet Black · 21-02-2020 10:06am

Kav_Piero wrote: »

For example we have a few football pitches in the area which are used by 4 or 5 local football teams, it offers a perfect opportunity for youngsters to keep busy by joining a team, it will improve their mental and physical health and will likely reduce their chances of getting into trouble. The goal mouth of these pitches have been set on fire numerous times in the last year. It's always going to be a mentality issue not an area issue.

Not everyone wants to play football and that's only going to occupy someone for a few hours a week. During the winter months you can't really play. I couldn't get on the local teams but got on the Gaelic team which I disliked as much as football. That was one evening a week and Saturday morning sorted. Left the rest of the week with nothing to do.

Gardai won't do anything because they've no powers just like if anyone was caught raising their hand to them they'd be lynched.

Government won't enforce any social welfare restrictions because it will be seen as taking away from the 'poor'

Could try the carrot approach and have actual amenities in the areas where they can go in the evening instead of hanging around housing estates causing trouble and throwing stones at busses. I grew up in one of the areas that people think should be bulldozed and remember just walking the streets with nothing to do apart from play the odd game of football. I didn't cause trouble because I would have been rightly beaten, but then again I wouldn't have been a scumbag even without the threat of violence.

Wanderer78 · 21-02-2020 10:11am

spurious wrote: »

Parenting classes.

Loss of children's allowance if child does not attend school, hospital appointments etc. If you are not parenting properly, why should you benefit from it?
Having taught children from many of these areas, a parent teacher meeting (with almost no parents working) could often result in a parent appearing for less than 20% of the children in a class. Give a sh1t about how your kids are getting on, ffs.

Adjustment of SW system so that getting into work results in higher FIS payments/medical coverage etc. - is is ludicrous that getting into even very low paid work results in people losing out on a medical card for example. There is no incentive to work if it means a worse standard of living than on the dole.

I would agree with nothing for nothing. A school leaver should not be able to sign straight on the dole. No harm in a few weeks in some sort of community benefitting scheme (graffiti removal etc.) before being able to collect social welfare, even for 6 weeks or so, to 'pay' society for their unpaid for allowances.

Investigate where large new SUVs, regular expensive holidays etc. are coming from in households supposedly only on benefits. Decent people need to see those who are blatantly milking the system be caught.

you re a teacher, or work in the educational sector?

Lc2020 · 21-02-2020 10:44am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you re a teacher, or work in the educational sector?

Isn't it ironic that a teacher would talk about milking the system when they're notorious for tax evasion for the likes of grinds, after school study. You get paid to do nothing over the summer, doesn't that completely discredit your argument spurious?
So are we going to accept this apparent double standard?

When will people stop equating poverty with criminality. It's an over simplified explanation for a very complex intricate problem

21-02-2020 10:52am

Lc2020 wrote: »

Isn't it ironic that a teacher would talk about milking the system when they're notorious for tax evasion for the likes of grinds, after school study. You get paid to do nothing over the summer, doesn't that completely discredit your argument spurious?
So are we going to accept this apparent double standard?

When will people stop equating poverty with criminality. It's an over simplified explanation for a very complex intricate problem

jesus christ this is desperate stuff

go learn what salaried employment is ffs

Ray Palmer · 21-02-2020 11:26am

Lc2020 wrote: »

Isn't it ironic that a teacher would talk about milking the system when they're notorious for tax evasion for the likes of grinds, after school study. You get paid to do nothing over the summer, doesn't that completely discredit your argument spurious?
So are we going to accept this apparent double standard?

When will people stop equating poverty with criminality. It's an over simplified explanation for a very complex intricate problem

It may be a complex issue but poverty is link directly to criminality. Putting people together where some are criminals cause more to be criminals. This is not some made up theory but well documented.

There should be integrated communities to prevent the problem. That is not to say mass social housing should be added to areas which is what way it is being done now. Sometimes obviously and then other times through the back door. Like where a new housing estate become completely social housing.

Make decision in haste and regret at leisure. These decision have a lasting impact that take decades to address and in many cases never addressed.

Lc2020 · 21-02-2020 11:34am

Ray Palmer wrote: »

There should be integrated communities to prevent the problem..

This is in place across Ireland, it's a pity the media and trolls on here chose to focus odd negative story rather than acknowledge the harmonious relationship that so often exists between private house dwellers and occupants of council houses.

I also can't help but feel that if such was the case, that social houses would be integrated into every community, there would be mass objection from those bigoted board ueers who have really shown their true colours in this thread. They lead such a cushy life, and have such a distorted perception of social housing tenants.

Lc2020 · 21-02-2020 11:42am

J_1980 wrote: »

Full employment - Oh really?
https://www.thejournal.ie/jobless-households-3832381-Feb2018/

“ALMOST ONE IN six Irish households has no adults of working age in employment, according to the Department of Social Protection.

A jobless household is one where no adult in the household it working, it excludes households made up completely of students or adults over 65.”

Well anyway the bill will come when the truly unemployed (losing their jobs) get added to the dole. €160bn of new debt in the last recession - 40bn for the banks and no one asks about the other €120bn??

Next recession?: Without much room for tax increases (lpt, usc, highest marginal tax rate in eurozone, highest vat already introduced) times will be funny ðŸ˜† Most Irish people are totally oblivious to what’s coming. We shall see.

Stop with this sensationalist bull****.
Yes we are at full employment, do you think a journal article is going to disprove well founded sound studies from acclaimed economists?

I do pity you, for having such a pessimistic outlook

Lc2020 · 21-02-2020 11:49am

spurious wrote: »

Investigate where large new SUVs, regular expensive holidays etc. are coming from in households supposedly only on benefits. Decent people need to see those who are blatantly milking the system be caught.

Hence the establishment of CAB.
What you want is for people to lead lives devoid of happiness and luxuries. Someone on the dole may well be deserving of a holiday, a new car, last time I checked we are free to make our own decisions in this country as regards what and what not to purchase.

spurious · 21-02-2020 11:53am

Lc2020 wrote: »

Hence the establishment of CAB.
What you want is for people to lead lives devoid of happiness and luxuries. Someone on the dole may well be deserving of a holiday, a new car, last time I checked we are free to make our own decisions in this country as regards what and what not to purchase.

Absolutely and if I have an income of 250k and pay 20 euro tax, someone asks questions.
If you have an income of 20k and are buying a 35k car and going on three 5k holidays a year, questions should also be asked.

Ray Palmer · 21-02-2020 11:55am

Lc2020 wrote: »

This is in place across Ireland, it's a pity the media and trolls on here chose to focus odd negative story rather than acknowledge the harmonious relationship that so often exists between private house dwellers and occupants of council houses.

I also can't help but feel that if such was the case, that social houses would be integrated into every community, there would be mass objection from those bigoted board ueers who have really shown their true colours in this thread. They lead such a cushy life, and have such a distorted perception of social housing tenants.

No it it isn't. Huge areas of social housing were created and they aren't integrated. I fully support people when plans aren't integrated. No area should be put upon for political point scoring.

saabsaab · 21-02-2020 11:56am

How about evicting those families don't pay their rent that are repeat criminals in their area. I know some here will say you can't be doing that but the 99% of ordinary people in these estates would be delighted. What would happen to them you may ask. They can sign up for housing provision somewhere else in the country and a law abiding family can be taken off the homeless list.

Enter name here · 21-02-2020 11:58am

Lc2020 wrote: »

Hence the establishment of CAB.
What you want is for people to lead lives devoid of happiness and luxuries. Someone on the dole may well be deserving of a holiday, a new car, last time I checked we are free to make our own decisions in this country as regards what and what not to purchase.

Bollocks, no one on the dole should ever be able to afford a holiday or new car. That is not welfare was designed for. Welfare is a helping hand in time of need, not an endless pit to supplement lazy people who contribute nothing to society.

Clashmore · 21-02-2020 11:58am

vriesmays wrote: »

Not all social housing, Waterford has an estate full of students renting. Was a nightmare a few years back.

Still is an absolute nightmare and only getting worse. Friends of ours (a young family) live there and hate it

BanditLuke · 21-02-2020 12:03pm

saabsaab wrote: »

How about evicting those families don't pay their rent that are repeat criminals in their area. I know some here will say you can't be doing that but the 99% of ordinary people in these estates would be delighted. What would happen to them you may ask. They can sign up for housing provision somewhere else in the country and a law abiding family can be taken off the homeless list.

I don't think there is a single person in the country who would disagree with that besides the scummers themselves. Anti social families should not be allowed to avail of social housing like hard working families do. We have circa 50/50 mix of social and affordable in my area and it work brilliantly but there are two families in particular who need shooting into space.

handlemaster · 21-02-2020 2:29pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Ah Big Brother?

Nothing to hide nothing to fear . This is about catching and stopping crime.

creditcarder · 21-02-2020 2:49pm

Graces7 wrote: »

An excellent idea often mooted but never implemented

There is a scheme in the UK where repeat offenders are sent to a tough army camp to learn discipline and respect from really tough sergeants .. Give the army something to do.

Let's be careful and not use it as punishment. These lads need masculinity outside of some thug who was badly raised himself. Give them structure, healthy food and a good male to learn from, and they could be okay.

Or, htey could still use the skills to have steady income for themselves and earn more money through crime than they would elsewhere.

L1011 · 21-02-2020 2:52pm

Graces7 wrote: »

An excellent idea often mooted but never implemented

There is a scheme in the UK where repeat offenders are sent to a tough army camp to learn discipline and respect from really tough sergeants .. Give the army something to do.

Because tough military training never psychologically damaged anyone (who wasn't already potentially problematic at that), of course...

listermint · 21-02-2020 3:21pm

Some of the answers so far on the thread are ......Prison time and sentences.... I mean
.

The only way to stop antisocial is to get kids at a young age to have pride in their area. Like the age of 5 through to 10.

Watched a program on channel 4 recently one of those home renovation ones and they guy doing the house was doing it all himself. He was a local guy and very much involved in the area.

One thing that struck me was he was showing the camera crew around the locality it was a heavily social housing area in the UK and he showed them a roundabout and it's roads leading off it . That he had built some 17 years previously. But there was blocks on it with the names of all the school kids on the roundabout. He had the kids help him in conjunction with the school.

The roundabout was immaculate and the roads off it. He also bumped into a your twenty something walking by pushing a pram and randomly said oh my name's on that roundabout . She was on the way to the shop and said she has great respect for the local guy.

You need to change mindsets. It's hearts and minds. Oppression never works.

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 3:27pm

creditcarder wrote: »

Let's be careful and not use it as punishment. These lads need masculinity outside of some thug who was badly raised himself. Give them structure, healthy food and a good male to learn from, and they could be okay.

Or, htey could still use the skills to have steady income for themselves and earn more money through crime than they would elsewhere.

Maybe you could find the series? I came across it via the World's Strictest Parents series. Which is in itself excellent

It was well handled and nothing of the thug????? about the Sergeant in charge. The discipline is what will help them find their own discipline and self respect. These men are professionals. training men to a high standard.

I have no idea if it is still going on?

Graces7 · 21-02-2020 3:33pm

listermint wrote: »

Some of the answers so far on the thread are ......Prison time and sentences.... I mean
.

The only way to stop antisocial is to get kids at a young age to have pride in their area. Like the age of 5 through to 10.

Watched a program on channel 4 recently one of those home renovation ones and they guy doing the house was doing it all himself. He was a local guy and very much involved in the area.

One thing that struck me was he was showing the camera crew around the locality it was a heavily social housing area in the UK and he showed them a roundabout and it's roads leading off it . That he had built some 17 years previously. But there was blocks on it with the names of all the school kids on the roundabout. He had the kids help him in conjunction with the school.

The roundabout was immaculate and the roads off it. He also bumped into a your twenty something walking by pushing a pram and randomly said oh my name's on that roundabout . She was on the way to the shop and said she has great respect for the local guy.

You need to change mindsets. It's hearts and minds. Oppression never works.

It is better handled in the UK; social housing there started after the massive bombing in the war when there were whole fields of prefabs and the cities were in ruins,

It was a different kind of need. We were recovering from the war

I went to school with children from estates; there was no stigma etc. When they started building inner city tower blocks eg in Sheffield, it went wrong ; created ghettos

Not sure of the situation there now? More high rise these days .

KGLady · 21-02-2020 3:44pm

So many kids out there are falling through the cracks and while its ****ty or plain absence of parenting in many cases, its not always the parents fault (ie illness and other complex circumstances). Either way the lack of community and the support of a 'One Good Adult' to inspire and motivate the kids is a huge factor.

This might sound awful to some perspectives, but I always thing how different it might be if some of the at risk kids and their parents had a supported living setup while the children are dependent, instead of HAP cash out. Somewhere with a breakfast club and homework club equivalent with healthy food (tackle both obesity and hunger issues) and help with keeping the kids focused on the value of their education. A place where the kids and their future is the focus. In theory the single parents there who are struggling to finish education or work themselves have support for childcare and less stress juggling their tight budgets. HSE could centrally do regular visits for baby nurse, dental health and vaccines, mental health etc. also free contraception access >.>

On the other end of the scale, the daytime TV gang there could be tolerated as long as their kids are getting the opportunity to break that cycle of welfare living, given the support and option to choose something different. Not a forevah home, but something to make life better for the kids who need it for the duration of their childhood and lift them out of that ****ty cycle.

saabsaab · 21-02-2020 5:02pm

listermint wrote: »

Some of the answers so far on the thread are ......Prison time and sentences.... I mean
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The only way to stop antisocial is to get kids at a young age to have pride in their area. Like the age of 5 through to 10.

Watched a program on channel 4 recently one of those home renovation ones and they guy doing the house was doing it all himself. He was a local guy and very much involved in the area.

One thing that struck me was he was showing the camera crew around the locality it was a heavily social housing area in the UK and he showed them a roundabout and it's roads leading off it . That he had built some 17 years previously. But there was blocks on it with the names of all the school kids on the roundabout. He had the kids help him in conjunction with the school.

The roundabout was immaculate and the roads off it. He also bumped into a your twenty something walking by pushing a pram and randomly said oh my name's on that roundabout . She was on the way to the shop and said she has great respect for the local guy.

You need to change mindsets. It's hearts and minds. Oppression never works.

Yep, you need more involvement and incentive in those areas in other words carrot and stick. My view is that a very small number can ruin it for everyone else they have to be dealt with.

How to fix antisocial areas

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