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How to fix antisocial areas

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  • 20-02-2020 8:10pm
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    handlemaster
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    There are lots of antisocial estates in Ireland. How can this be fixed realistically. Jobs are of no interest to some people. But what can be done when crime is being committed ? Perhaps a simple idea like every house have a Ring door bell installed and the subsequent footage pulled by the gardai when an instant happens. Perhaps support from the local council with cost could be raised.


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    Fireball81
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    Not an easy fix.

    Includes parents taking ownership for their little darlings actions.

    Pride and respect- not sure these will ever be 'standard' again.


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    vriesmays
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    Don't buy in an estate. Even the nicest ones will eventually have a house sold to the council.


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    handlemaster
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    Don't buy in an estate. Even the nicest ones will eventually have a house sold to the council.

    How does that fix the antisocial behaviour.


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    AulWan
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    Here we go, yet another thread, bashing social housing and tarring all it's occupants with the same brush.

    How many is that today, three?


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    Empty_Space
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    Make AulWan president.


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    vriesmays
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    Not all social housing, Waterford has an estate full of students renting. Was a nightmare a few years back.


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    tastyt
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    More Guards everywhere, more prison places, judges that give serious sentences, parents that give a **** where their little rats are.

    Basically they have to have something to fear and respect like all the above.

    Pie in the sky in this country though


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    DubCount
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    Enforcement. If parents don't control their children, bring back borstal !!


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    Spleerbun
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    AulWan wrote: »
    Here we go, yet another thread, bashing social housing and tarring all it's occupants with the same brush.

    How many is that today, three?

    Agreed. Better everyone buries their heads and doesn't discuss these issues


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    Taylor365
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    Social and council housing shouldn't been seen as giving to the scum of the earth.

    It should be a sustainable money maker for the government.







    Not here though, it's a grab what you can country :pac:


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    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    AulWan wrote: »
    Here we go, yet another thread, bashing social housing and tarring all it's occupants with the same brush.

    How many is that today, three?

    Dont know.I haven't been on boards all day. Think you should get out and about


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    Cuddlesworth
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    There are lots of antisocial estates in Ireland. How can this be fixed realistically. Jobs are of no interest to some people. But what can be done when crime is being committed ? Perhaps a simple idea like every house have a Ring door bell installed and the subsequent footage pulled by the gardai when an instant happens. Perhaps support from the local council with cost could be raised.

    The option that has worked so far has been to mix social housing with private. And not put huge amounts of them in isolated estates.


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    tabby aspreme
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    A big help to sorting antisocial behavior would be a working justice system, with proper bail, and less concurrent sentences.

    We already have an Aul Wan for a president, we don't need another.


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    Cuddlesworth
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    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    A big help to sorting antisocial behavior would be a working justice system, with proper bail, and less concurrent sentences.

    We already have an Aul Wan for a president, we don't need another.

    America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. How is it working out for them?

    You put a person in jail, give them a criminal record, you take away their options.


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    questionmark?
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    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. How is it working out for them?

    You put a person in jail, give them a criminal record, you take away their options.

    That's true in theory. But that theory presumes that the lads/lassies that would be getting jailed actually want jobs, which more often than not they don't. The nice approach ain't working time to start jailing those that continually break the law with tough sentences.


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    elperello
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    Stop referring to crime as "anti social behavior".

    A crime is a crime.


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    mullinr2
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    Sinn Fein will send down their hardmen from the North. That'll sort the problem out.


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    mikemac2
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    Deport our criminals to Australia like the olden days


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    BanditLuke
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    Don't buy in an estate. Even the nicest ones will eventually have a house sold to the council.

    And?


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    Lc2020
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    Don't buy in an estate. Even the nicest ones will eventually have a house sold to the council.

    So prospective buyers should be streched even further and forced to buy outside their means due to the government's complacency in addressing this systemic problem. Housing estates should be seen as attractive places to live. Fyi, plenty of houses have been let to the council in my own estate and there hasn't been a noticeable increase in antisocial behaviour. I don't believe this is a class issue. Youths from affluent and impoverished backgrounds alike spell havock day in day out for one simple reason, they won't be brought to book.

    snip


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    BanditLuke
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    AulWan wrote: »
    Here we go, yet another thread, bashing social housing and tarring all it's occupants with the same brush.

    How many is that today, three?

    At least. It's all a bit pathetic really.


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    #23
    Spanish Eyes
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    People are concerned about this. Don't knock it. We all have a voice in a democracy or so I thought.


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    J_1980
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    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Social and council housing shouldn't been seen as giving to the scum of the earth.

    It should be a sustainable money maker for the government.







    Not here though, it's a grab what you can country :pac:

    THIS!!

    Unbelievable the free stuff handed out here. Even the supposedly right win parties (FG) support that.

    Only hope is that the next recession (without a banking crisis, so there are no scapegoats) makes life so unbearable for the Irish middle class that people finally see that scam. This would need to be some epic and drawn out event though: earnings recession with collapsing tax receipts and 5+ years long - like the 80’s but without a domestic/own currency.


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    Lc2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭Lc2020


    J_1980 wrote: »
    THIS!!

    Unbelievable the free stuff handed out here..

    Making sweeping unsubstantiated claims like that only serves to demonstrate how deluded you really are.

    If the free stuff was really and truly there for the taking, we wouldn't be at full employment. So try use your brain next time you comment maybe?


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    #26
    Enter name here
    Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    Easy fix, pack them all up and move them over to Tallaght. Then Aulwan can tell us how wonderful it is to have social housing and private all mixed in together.
    Or we could start to prosecute and incarcerate the great unwashed and they might just get the message.

    Surely you have some spare room don't you Aulwan?


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    [Deleted User]
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    Anti social behavior doesn't just happen in social housing estates.
    It happens everywhere
    & it is entirely personal, some people think young people sitting in a group together listening to music & messing is anti social behavior, some people think that kids kicking footballs off their side walls which are on a green area is anti social.
    Some people think that drug dealing in open areas is anti social.
    Others think that their neighbors having drinks & music in their garden is anti social.
    It can happen everywhere because everyone has different definitions for anti social behavior based on what they accept as acceptable!


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    #28
    Pronto63
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭Pronto63


    Child benefit in cash for first child only.

    For second and subsequent kids it should be increased and given as a tax credit/rebate of some sort. That way only workers receive it.

    We want “workers” reproducing not skangers.

    Workers won’t have feral offspring running amuck!


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    [Deleted User]
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    Pronto63 wrote: »
    Workers won’t have feral offspring running amuck!

    This is definitely not true!!


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    #30
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Education, education. Education


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    #31
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    mullinr2 wrote: »
    Sinn Fein will send down their hardmen from the North. That'll sort the problem out.

    Would they get past the doorman at The Shelbourne?


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