Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

clsmooth · 14-10-2019 1:12pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

We could have waited till after the World Cup and let the dust settle. A ridiculous appointment imo. Has shown nothing to get excited about. But obviously Farrell is appointing people he trusts. Fair enough. Hopefully it all works out on Saturday so we don't get off on the wrong foot.

If you’ve reverted to complaining about his, you’re obviously running low on source material. How about you give him a chance before the negative floodgates open? I’m sure you’d see the downside if you found a winning lottery ticket on the street. Every silver lining has a cloud and all that.

AbusesToilets · 14-10-2019 1:17pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No figrolls? we are f**ked

Ah come on now, that madness. I was reared on fig rolls, but they're not impress a guest type biscuits.

Wegians89 · 14-10-2019 1:21pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Ah come on now, that madness. I was reared on fig rolls, but they're not impress a guest type biscuits.

More the biscuits the mother lets you have so you don’t eat the good ones being saved for the cousins coming over

fitz · 14-10-2019 1:22pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Ah come on now, that madness. I was reared on fig rolls, but they're not impress a guest type biscuits.

Also, real danger of distracting the panel with a debate on how they get the figs into the fig rolls.

Niallof9 · 14-10-2019 1:24pm

clsmooth wrote: »

If you’ve reverted to complaining about his, you’re obviously running low on source material. How about you give him a chance before the negative floodgates open? I’m sure you’d see the downside if you found a winning lottery ticket on the street. Every silver lining has a cloud and all that.

No not low hopeful on Saturday, but not changed in my criticisms. If we get in trouble on Saturday, like say we don't turn up somehow, then imo Farrell has to be looked at again. I don't agree with the transition appointment. I don't agree allowing him practice his head coach learnings on Ireland. I think Mike Catt has spent years in an environment far removed from Ireland. Before that he was in a failed English coaching group.

In saying that the only way we can beat New Zealand is the tactics Joe has nailed his colors to.

And the players seem to love Farrell so that's the main thing...the silver lining.

Yeah_Right · 14-10-2019 1:25pm

I have to say all the positivity on here is surprising. Its nice to see. But its misplaced. The ABs are going to beat you like a runaway slave on Saturday. This will be the greatest humiliation of the Irish since Cromwell popped over for a visit.

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

sydthebeat · 14-10-2019 1:25pm

kilns wrote: »

Same team as Saturday except Ringrose for Bundee?

No way POM should get back in the team and Larmour offers more than Kearney considering the All Blacks wont be kicking to space that much

??

is there some narrative now that the all blacks dont kick the ball much??

They are one of the most "kicker" teams in world rugby.

see 30 kicks from hand in their first RWC game v SA for example.

Bazzo · 14-10-2019 1:27pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have to say all the positivity on here is surprising. Its nice to see. But its misplaced. The ABs are going to beat you like a runaway slave on Saturday. This will be the greatest humiliation of the Irish since Cromwell popped over for a visit.

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

Ye're going to get such a beating there'll be more bleating than after the last lions tour

Clegg · 14-10-2019 1:28pm

Need a big performance from Henderson on Saturday. He's a good player, but apart from the Scotland game I don't think he's played particularly well. Ryan's been pulling the weight so far.

kuang1 · 14-10-2019 1:29pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have to say all the positivity on here is surprising. Its nice to see. But its misplaced. The ABs are going to beat you like a runaway slave on Saturday. This will be the greatest humiliation of the Irish since Cromwell popped over for a visit.

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

I think this is fine.

However I think that it's only fair that you commit to continue your state of assholeness for at least 48 hours after the game ends.

That way you'll provide a lovely target for us all here to thumb our noses at while your destroyed and dejected team board a plane for Christchurch.

Niallof9 · 14-10-2019 1:30pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have to say all the positivity on here is surprising. Its nice to see. But its misplaced. The ABs are going to beat you like a runaway slave on Saturday. This will be the greatest humiliation of the Irish since Cromwell popped over for a visit.

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

Its more of an act really i think deep down we know whats coming! We're Irish though we live in hope and misplaced optimism.

But if you do can you please send us a kiwi that likes to play running open rugby next time, you know like 99 per cent of your rugby coaches do.

sydthebeat · 14-10-2019 1:31pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have to say all the positivity on here is surprising. Its nice to see. But its misplaced. The ABs are going to beat you like a runaway slave on Saturday. This will be the greatest humiliation of the Irish since Cromwell popped over for a visit.

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

the squirming apology you'll will be giving us when we brush those kiwi posers aside will be all the sweeter......

jacothelad · 14-10-2019 1:34pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I have to say all the positivity on here is surprising. Its nice to see. But its misplaced. The ABs are going to beat you like a runaway slave on Saturday. This will be the greatest humiliation of the Irish since Cromwell popped over for a visit.

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

Well on fairness, you've had lots of previous experience.....:D
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Just kidding. Couldn't miss the opportunity.

Podge_irl · 14-10-2019 1:36pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

In case some of you haven't guessed, I'm probably going to be a bit of an asshole this week. In the past I've been nice and respectful to you Paddies but where's the fun in that. So bring it on bitches!!

At least you should have the good grace to stick around and take what's coming after your humiliation, unlike all the bloody seagulls.

jacothelad · 14-10-2019 1:37pm

Clegg wrote: »

Need a big performance from Henderson on Saturday. He's a good player, but apart from the Scotland game I don't think he's played particularly well. Ryan's been pulling the weight so far.

You should have a look at the game again and see how many times he has active involvements.

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 1:45pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

No not low hopeful on Saturday, but not changed in my criticisms. If we get in trouble on Saturday, like say we don't turn up somehow, then imo Farrell has to be looked at again. I don't agree with the transition appointment. I don't agree allowing him practice his head coach learnings on Ireland. I think Mike Catt has spent years in an environment far removed from Ireland. Before that he was in a failed English coaching group.

In saying that the only way we can beat New Zealand is the tactics Joe has nailed his colors to.

And the players seem to love Farrell so that's the main thing...the silver lining.

Warren Gatland failed as Ireland coach
Graham Henry, Steve Hansen both failed with Wales

Very few coachs if any have a perfect CV....simple as that. Most will agree you need the good and the bad to grow as a coach.

No idea why we would write off a coach before he has even started. It is not like Farrell hasn't been around the block, he has huge experience in International rugby.

Joe Schmidt had zero experience of international rugby when he took over. That hasn't turned out too bad has it?

bilston · 14-10-2019 1:52pm

jacothelad wrote: »

You should have a look at the game again and see how many times he has active involvements.

Henderson was excellent in the lineout at the weekend.

Not many carries though, but that could.just be down to team roles.

Former Former · 14-10-2019 1:52pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Warren Gatland failed as Ireland coach

I think that's incredibly harsh. We may not have won anything under him but there was a huge improvement in the quality of our rugby and our ability to compete with the top sides during his regime.

troyzer · 14-10-2019 1:57pm

Is Bundee allowed to train with a ban? He's probably not going to feature now anyway with Henshaw back and having a few howlers in the group.

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 1:58pm

Former Former wrote: »

I think that's incredibly harsh. We may not have won anything under him but there was a huge improvement in the quality of our rugby and our ability to compete with the top sides during his regime.

What other word would you use to describe his tenure?

Podge_irl · 14-10-2019 1:59pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What other word would you use to describe his tenure?

Mixed

Yeah_Right · 14-10-2019 2:16pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Ye're going to get such a beating there'll be more bleating than after the last lions tour

Come on. You can make a better sheep joke than that.

Speaking of the Lions tour, have they announced the refs for the quarter finals? Hope its not one of those cheating French ******** that robbed us of victory on that tour. Hopefully we get Barnes, Owens or Gardner. They know how rugby is meant to be played. And Barnes still owes us.

Stheno · 14-10-2019 2:35pm

Any idea how long before we hear the outcome of Bundees hearing?

sydthebeat · 14-10-2019 2:36pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Come on. You can make a better sheep joke than that.

Speaking of the Lions tour, have they announced the refs for the quarter finals? Hope its not one of those cheating French ******** that robbed us of victory on that tour. Hopefully we get Barnes, Owens or Gardner. They know how rugby is meant to be played. And Barnes still owes us.

we dont want any french ref either.... especially garces

barnes please, pearce next and williams after that.....

Dubinusa · 14-10-2019 2:36pm

The pressure will be on the ab's, we are the underdogs.
Our front five is fantastic and if we choke the life out of them and control possession and territory,we can win.
Either way, it is Schmidts swansong! This is the moment he's been preparing for.

DelBoy Trotter · 14-10-2019 2:37pm

Stheno wrote: »

Any idea how long before we hear the outcome of Bundees hearing?

The hearings normally take about 2 hours, and it started at 11:30.....so soon hopefully! Can't see it being anything other than a ban though

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 2:45pm

Any chance we can get Wayne Barnes as ref?

kilns · 14-10-2019 2:55pm

Barnes would be the best man to have as a ref considering the standards that are currently out there

However, I doubt they would give it to him as he would be under serious pressure considering France in Cardiff

Have a terrible feeling Owens could get it

Former Former · 14-10-2019 2:55pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What other word would you use to describe his tenure?

Progression. Evolution. Light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't know what age you are or when you started following rugby, but I started going to Ireland matches when I was in school in early/mid-90s. You just can't over-state how bad we were and how predictable every game was. It was awful.

When Gatland arrived, there were some really bad days (e.g. Lens) but he wasn't afraid to take risks and try things that were a bit different.
And he wasn't afraid to throw in young lads and give them a shot.

He dragged us into the pro era and gave us some great days along the way. Beating France in Paris (which neither Eddie nor Kidney managed), beating England in the foot-and-mouth year, these were incredible results for Ireland at the time.

prawnsambo · 14-10-2019 2:58pm

Former Former wrote: »

Progression. Evolution. Light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't know what age you are or when you started following rugby, but I started going to Ireland matches when I was in school in early/mid-90s. You just can't over-state how bad we were and how predictable every game was. It was awful.

Yeah. I used to go to matches, not so much in the hope of winning, but more to watch the great teams beating us. They were foregone conclusions and you could only admire the skill of the opposition and hope we could hold out for at least a half.

prawnsambo · 14-10-2019 3:06pm

Stand by. Aki decision imminent according to Murray Kinsella.

Not looking good.

14-10-2019 3:10pm

Basil3 wrote: »

If Larmour is at fullback, they 100% will. He will be put under major pressure.

Would yourself or Yeah_Right fancy doing a match thread? Be interesting to start it off from a Kiwi perspective

Bridge93 · 14-10-2019 3:10pm

Not looking good according to Murray

Edit: 3 match ban

pc7 · 14-10-2019 3:10pm

3 match ban

(according to R O'Connor)

Professor Genius · 14-10-2019 3:11pm

pc7 wrote: »

3 week ban

3 match ban

sydthebeat · 14-10-2019 3:11pm

fully expected

Former Former · 14-10-2019 3:13pm

As expected.

Presume it was considered mid-range (6 weeks) with 50% mitigation.

pc7 · 14-10-2019 3:13pm

Fairly strongly worded when you read it too.

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 3:14pm

Former Former wrote: »

Progression. Evolution. Light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't know what age you are or when you started following rugby, but I started going to Ireland matches when I was in school in early/mid-90s. You just can't over-state how bad we were and how predictable every game was. It was awful.

When Gatland arrived, there were some really bad days (e.g. Lens) but he wasn't afraid to take risks and try things that were a bit different.
And he wasn't afraid to throw in young lads and give them a shot.

He dragged us into the pro era and gave us some great days along the way. Beating France in Paris (which neither Eddie nor Kidney managed), beating England in the foot-and-mouth year, these were incredible results for Ireland at the time.

I started in the 80's.....simon geoghegan and all that.....I remember all the s**t days.

He threw young lads in because he was about to get the sack. He had just got hammered 50-18 by England. That why the young players got picked....He beat France and the following week at home got beaten by Wales?

He was the coach of the disaster in Lens.

They should have won the Grand Slam the foot and mouth year but got hammered by a terrible Scotland team.

Only coach in the professional era never to win a trophy and the worst win ratio.

Sabre0001 · 14-10-2019 3:16pm

That's that then....

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1183748222738522113

kilns · 14-10-2019 3:17pm

So Quill from the USA got the same ban but for a much more intentional tackle, Rugby really needs to sort itself out

sydthebeat · 14-10-2019 3:21pm

kilns wrote: »

So Quill from the USA got the same ban but for a much more intentional tackle, Rugby really needs to sort itself out

intentional????

"intent" doesn't come into it....

i have more of a problem with the yellow card the Samoan hooker got in the first half. In that case, there was absolutely nothing more the hooker could have done to make a legal acceptable tackle. In that case, it was the actions of the ball carrier which caused the head impact.

THATS what world rugby has to sort out.... not the Aki hit.... thats a red all day every day.

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 3:21pm

kilns wrote: »

So Quill from the USA got the same ban but for a much more intentional tackle, Rugby really needs to sort itself out

3 weeks was the minimum he was going to get....

It was never going to be less.....

14-10-2019 3:22pm

Can he be replaced?

opentarget · 14-10-2019 3:22pm

Red card on the spot is more than enough of a punishment.
Clearly we have an accidental impact on our hands and the ban is very hard.
But this world cup is full to the brim with harsh calls so it's not a surprise.

sydthebeat · 14-10-2019 3:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can he be replaced?

nope, not a red card... only an injury

prawnsambo · 14-10-2019 3:24pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Only coach in the professional era never to win a trophy and the worst win ratio.

Everybody forgets Murray Kidd and Brian Ashton.

Fornevermore · 14-10-2019 3:26pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I started in the 80's.....simon geoghegan and all that.....I remember all the s**t days.

He threw young lads in because he was about to get the sack. He had just got hammered 50-18 by England. That why the young players got picked....He beat France and the following week at home got beaten by Wales?

He was the coach of the disaster in Lens.

They should have won the Grand Slam the foot and mouth year but got hammered by a terrible Scotland team.

Only coach in the professional era never to win a trophy and the worst win ratio.

Simon Geoghegan played for Ireland in the 90's.

Ireland either finished last or second last every year in the 5 Nations since 1987. Under Gatland, Ireland came 3rd in 2000 and lost on score difference in 2001 to finish second.

Basically you're 100% wrong.

kilns · 14-10-2019 3:34pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

intentional????

"intent" doesn't come into it....

i have more of a problem with the yellow card the Samoan hooker got in the first half. In that case, there was absolutely nothing more the hooker could have done to make a legal acceptable tackle. In that case, it was the actions of the ball carrier which caused the head impact.

THATS what world rugby has to sort out.... not the Aki hit.... thats a red all day every day.

Akis and Quills tackles were very different with regards to intent and it needs to be distinguished.

The Somoan hooker was very unlucky to be sin binned as it was not his fault but another ref could have sent him off which is not right, a red card should be the ultimate punishment in a rugby game as in most cases it effectively ends the game as a contest.

kilns · 14-10-2019 3:35pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

3 weeks was the minimum he was going to get....

It was never going to be less.....

I mean how did Quill get the same punishment, he should have been getting alot more

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