Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Itssoeasy · 15-02-2020 1:07am

I remember seeing him and hearing his name in September 1997 when I started in CBC in cork and he was involved helping the school. He seemed like a decent guy and him and Greg ahern were running the senior cup team in Christians for the majority of my six years there.

thomond2006 · 17-02-2020 11:26am

Darren Sweetnam played AIL over the weekend. I imagine he'll get a run out against Zebre.

phog · 18-02-2020 12:44pm

Officials for our game on Friday evening v Zebre

Zebre vs Munster at Stadio Giovanni Mari, Legnano
Referee: Dan Jones (Wales)
Assistant referees: Manuel Bottino (Italy), Rhys Jones (Wales)
Television match official: Sean Brickell (Wales)

yerrahbah · 18-02-2020 1:15pm

Players who are fit and didn't play against the Kings so could be in line to feature against Zebre

L.O'Connor
Barron
Archer
O'Shea
Oliver
O'Sullivan
O'Donnell
Casey
Arnold
Sweetnam
L.Coombes
Wooton

slingerz · 18-02-2020 1:38pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Players who are fit and didn't play against the Kings so could be in line to feature against Zebre

L.O'Connor
Barron
Archer
O'Shea
Oliver
O'Sullivan
O'Donnell
Casey
Arnold
Sweetnam
L.Coombes
Wooton

I wouldnt expect they would all be involved. I reckon we will lose JOD/Farrell from last week.

Wont see wholesale changes really

thomond2006 · 18-02-2020 1:41pm

I imagine half of those players come in to the side. The best available team will then feature against Scarlets.

Cookiemunster · 18-02-2020 1:52pm

slingerz wrote: »

I wouldnt expect they would all be involved. I reckon we will lose JOD/Farrell from last week.

Wont see wholesale changes really

JVG stated last week that the squad would be heavily rotated over this three game block with everyone getting some game time, so I'm expecting changes.

Caranica · 18-02-2020 2:54pm

slingerz wrote: »

I wouldnt expect they would all be involved. I reckon we will lose JOD/Farrell from last week.

Wont see wholesale changes really

Both named in the Ireland squad yesterday

thomond2006 · 20-02-2020 6:31pm

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/02/20/munster-trio-sign-contract-extensions/

Conway: 3 year deal
Loughman: 2 year deal
Holland: 1 year deal

thomond2006 · 20-02-2020 6:32pm

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2022
Jeremy Loughman 2022

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2022
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2021
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
RG Snyman 2022
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Jack O'Sullivan 2023
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Damian de Allende 2022
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2022
Alex McHenry 2021
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2

Andrew Conway 2023
Liam Coombes 2021
Shane Daly 2021
Keith Earls 2021
Matt Gallagher 2022
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Alan Tynan Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped)

IN: RG Snyman (LK, Honda Heat), Damian de Allende (CT, Panasonic Wild Knights), Matt Gallagher (FB, Saracens)
OUT:

Out of Contract:
Kevin O'Byrne
Dave Kilcoyne
Ciaran Parker
Brian Scott
Sean O'Connor
Darren O'Shea
Arno Botha
Conor Oliver
Jack Stafford
Sam Arnold
Alan Tynan

yerrahbah · 20-02-2020 7:26pm

Delighted for Billy Holland. Terrific player.

Eod100 · 20-02-2020 7:37pm

Great deal for Conway. Happy out for Holland too. And Loughman of course

Brief_Lives · 20-02-2020 7:55pm

We badly need to grow a, mad monster of a Limerick tighthead prop...

Burkie1203 · 20-02-2020 9:48pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Out of Contract:
Kevin O'Byrne
Dave Kilcoyne
Ciaran Parker
Brian Scott
Sean O'Connor
Darren O'Shea
Arno Botha
Conor Oliver
Jack Stafford
Sam Arnold
Alan Tynan

Kilcoyne and KOB the only 2 who stay from that list?

Kirk Van Houten · 20-02-2020 10:53pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Kilcoyne and KOB the only 2 who stay from that list?

One of Parker or Scott will stay, probably Parker given Scott's injuries.

thomond2006 · 20-02-2020 11:29pm

Arnold has gotten so many recent starts he's surely in line for an extension, though Munster are stacked in the backline positions already.

Faugheen · 21-02-2020 10:43pm

I said it in the 20s thread but you lot have a potential star in Thomas Ahern. He’s an athletic freak who has been my stand out for the Irish 20s this year.

Caranica · 22-02-2020 1:22am

Faugheen wrote: »

I said it in the 20s thread but you lot have a potential star in Thomas Ahern. He’s an athletic freak who has been my stand out for the Irish 20s this year.

Stunning but he's a very recent convert from back 3 to second row (2 years afaik) rather than being a freak

stephen_n · 22-02-2020 9:40am

Caranica wrote: »

Stunning but he's a very recent convert from back 3 to second row (2 years afaik) rather than being a freak

Did he have a growth spurt? :pac: strange that he’d be left playing back three being that big.

Faugheen · 22-02-2020 10:24am

Caranica wrote: »

Stunning but he's a very recent convert from back 3 to second row (2 years afaik) rather than being a freak

I honestly didn’t know that. He’s taken to it like a duck to water anyway. His work rate matches his athleticism.

I would have loved to have seen the damage a 6’9 full back could have done though.

Caranica · 22-02-2020 12:59pm

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/01/17/video-introducing-the-academy-thomas-ahern/

Interview on Munster site from January 2019. He says he changed "last year" but also early 2017. They talked a lot about it when he scored that wonder try for Ireland v Scotland the first weekend of the under 20s, after a blistering run down the field. I'm sure they said 2018 which would tie in with "last year".

The Lost Sheep · 22-02-2020 2:10pm

Caranica wrote: »

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/01/17/video-introducing-the-academy-thomas-ahern/

Interview on Munster site from January 2019. He says he changed "last year" but also early 2017. They talked a lot about it when he scored that wonder try for Ireland v Scotland the first weekend of the under 20s, after a blistering run down the field. I'm sure they said 2018 which would tie in with "last year".

he was a Munster youth in September 17 in second row and was playing in row a while before that. I would have coached aides/reffed his age group in Munster a fair bit and his move to 2nd row wasnt as late as some are making it out to be

yerrahbah · 22-02-2020 11:16pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

12 games played so far this season
Munster have used 46 players
Kevin O’Byrne and Archer have played all 12 games
Rory Scannell, JJH and JO’D have played in 11 games
In terms on minutes played Rory Scannell is top with 766 minutes, JO’D with 717, Haley with 705,
Holland with 674 and JJH with 648

30 trys with 20 different try scorers
15 trys from the forwards and 15 from the backs
Botha, Mathewson and Conway all have three each

Three yellow cards
Haley, Cronin, Marshall.
One Red Card
Botha

Players yet to feature:

Carbery, Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

Players who have since left the club, Mathewson and Holloway
Player Mins played after 12 games Minutes in the last 6 games
R.Scannell 766 326
JOD 717 303
Haley 705 320
Holland 674 338
JJH 648 339
Archer 599 294
S. Daly 538 138
Botha 494 138
C. Farrell 480 400
Goggin 475 187
Stander 455 389
TOD 452 194
Whycherly 438 147
KOB 425 135
J Loughman 381 145
J Cronin 373 202
Conway 363 283
J. Kleyn 355 307
N. Scannell 343 277
TB 340 80
C. Nash 335 160
POM 320 240
Earls 320 320
C. Murray 304 280
Alby M 262 33
Sweetnam 240 0
Cloete 235 87
J. Ryan 207 154
Nick McC 202 78
LOC 192 88
Darren O'Shea 191 61
S. Arnold 179 93
R. Marshall 178 68
L. Coombes 177 80
Beirne 159 159
Knox 123 32
Wooton 120 80
N.Cronin 116 25
Holloway 98 9
C. Casey 76 64
JOS 66 0
Healy 61 61
Kilcoyne 55 55
Oliver 37 15
G. Coombes 34 9
Barron 19 0

18 games played so far this season
Munster have used 49 players
Kevin O’Byrne and Rory Scannell have played in 17 games of those games
With Archer, JO’D and JJH 16 playing in 16 of those games
In terms on minutes played Rory Scannell is top with 1188 minutes, JO’D with 1109, Haley with 1091, JJH with 1000 and Holland with 980

52 trys with 27 different try scorers
24 trys from the forwards and 28 from the backs
Botha has 6 tries, JO’D, Daly and Conway all have 4 tries

Four yellow cards
Haley, Cronin, Marshall, Cloete
One Red Card
Botha

Players yet to feature:

Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

Players who have left the club: Mathewson and Holloway

Player Mins played after 6 games Mins played after 12 games Mins played after 18 games
R.Scannell 440 766 1188
JOD 414 717 1109
Haley 385 705 1091
JJH 309 648 1000
Holland 336 674 980
Archer 305 599 803
S. Daly 400 538 780
Whycherly 291 438 774
Goggin 288 475 770
Botha 356 494 717
C. Farrell 80 480 640
N. Scannell 66 343 639
Stander 66 455 615
KOB 290 425 594
C. Nash 175 335 555
TOD 258 452 541
POM 80 320 540
J Loughman 236 381 536
C. Murray 24 304 510
Conway 80 363 493
S. Arnold 86 179 482
J Cronin 171 373 480
Earls 0 320 480
J. Kleyn 48 355 425
Cloete 148 235 410
J. Ryan 53 207 392
TB 260 340 340
Darren O'Shea 130 191 326
Sweetnam 240 240 315
Nick McC 124 202 291
Kilcoyne 0 55 273
Alby M 229 262 262
N.Cronin 91 116 232
JOS 66 66 217
Knox 91 123 214
LOC 104 192 192
R. Marshall 110 178 178
L. Coombes 97 177 177
Beirne 0 159 159
C. Casey 12 76 145
G. Coombes 25 34 124
Wooton 40 120 120
Carbery 0 0 104
Holloway 89 98 98
Healy 0 61 97
Hodnett 0 0 63
Oliver 22 37 37
Barron 19 19 34
Flannery 0 0 5

Caranica · 23-02-2020 12:49am

Surprised that Alby hasn't been picked up by another club yet

Burkie1203 · 23-02-2020 10:33am

Caranica wrote: »

Surprised that Alby hasn't been picked up by another club yet

Ulster bound apparently

Faugheen · 23-02-2020 10:34am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ulster bound apparently

I was thinking Ulster would be the perfect club for him.

Shefwedfan · 23-02-2020 10:43am

Caranica wrote: »

Surprised that Alby hasn't been picked up by another club yet

He is not that good that’s why not picked up

Hopefully not going to Ulster, is the U20 scrum half not in Ulster?

bennyl10 · 23-02-2020 11:14am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He is not that good that’s why not picked up

Hopefully not going to Ulster, is the U20 scrum half not in Ulster?

He was our best scrum half last season. And for portions of this season.

Any team would be massively benefited by having him, for the influence and knowledge he brings to younger players if nothing else

Shefwedfan · 23-02-2020 11:21am

bennyl10 wrote: »

He was our best scrum half last season. And for portions of this season.

Any team would be massively benefited by having him, for the influence and knowledge he brings to younger players if nothing else

He just blocked Casey from getting any game time

Eod100 · 23-02-2020 11:53am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He just blocked Casey from getting any game time

Wasn't Casey on a development contract last season and playing with u20s? If a player is good enough they will be brought up to senior side. Only 21 in April so till young and has been given his chances this season

Caranica · 23-02-2020 12:05pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He just blocked Casey from getting any game time

They said at the MRSC AGM that Alby gave so much time to helping other players and not just the 9s. They'll have benefited from learning from a former All Black. Munster praised him so highly for all he gave to the club.

Eod100 · 23-02-2020 12:06pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ulster bound apparently

Looks like it alright https://twitter.com/petersuntimes/status/1231496119257047040 It's coincidental timing with Pienaar returning to Ravenhill with Cheetahs. Don't think a lot of Ulster fans have forgiven IRFU for that yet.

Shefwedfan · 23-02-2020 12:23pm

Eod100 wrote: »

It's coincidental timing with Pienaar returning to Ravenhill with Cheetahs. Don't think a lot of Ulster fans have forgiven IRFU for that yet.

Turned out to benefit Ulster and Ireland

Caranica · 23-02-2020 12:39pm

So Italy v Scotland women in Legnano has been called off due to Corona virus fears. 2 days after Munster played there!

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2020/0223/1117051-milan-coronavirus-deaths-sees-italy-scotland-called-off/

Banner2theend · 24-02-2020 9:41am

Social media and myself included was very impressed with ROG's analysis on Virgin media yesterday. What are the chances of the Munster legend making a sensational come back to Thomand park as head coach of the southern province. It will certainly bring the crowds back to Thomand and Musgrave park in Cork that's for sure!! Thoughts?

Buer · 24-02-2020 10:56am

Banner2theend wrote: »

Social media and myself included was very impressed with ROG's analysis on Virgin media yesterday. What are the chances of the Munster legend making a sensational come back to Thomand park as head coach of the southern province. It will certainly bring the crowds back to Thomand and Musgrave park in Cork that's for sure!! Thoughts?

Would Munster seek a dispensation to have 30 minute half time periods to allow him complete a team talk?

thomond2006 · 24-02-2020 11:02am

Buer wrote: »

Would Munster seek a dispensation to have 30 minute half time periods to allow him complete a team talk?

Halftime Island

salmocab · 24-02-2020 11:25am

Banner2theend wrote: »

Social media and myself included was very impressed with ROG's analysis on Virgin media yesterday. What are the chances of the Munster legend making a sensational come back to Thomand park as head coach of the southern province. It will certainly bring the crowds back to Thomand and Musgrave park in Cork that's for sure!! Thoughts?

He will almost certainly be back as head coach but not because of his tv work. He seems like a man who has mapped out his career coaching wise and is making the right moves, I’d say though he won’t rush back until he’s ready to do it.

sydthebeat · 24-02-2020 11:27am

Banner2theend wrote: »

Social media and myself included was very impressed with ROG's analysis on Virgin media yesterday. What are the chances of the Munster legend making a sensational come back to Thomand park as head coach of the southern province. It will certainly bring the crowds back to Thomand and Musgrave park in Cork that's for sure!! Thoughts?

he'd have to learn afrikaans first

thomond2006 · 24-02-2020 11:31am

Remaining fixtures:

Scarlets (H)

Three week break

Benetton (A)
Benetton (H)

One week break

Cardiff (H)
Leinster (A)
Glasgow (H)

One week break

Edinburgh (A)
Scarlets (A)

One week break

Connacht (H)

Huge game vs Scarlets this Saturday.

yerrahbah · 24-02-2020 11:48am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Remaining fixtures:

Scarlets (H)
Three week break
Benetton (A)
Benetton (H)
One week break
Cardiff (H)
Leinster (A)
Glasgow (H)
One week break
Edinburgh (A)
Scarlets (A)
One week break
Connacht (H)

Huge game vs Scarlets this Saturday.

Have to win the next 4 and the remaining home games

Will probably need to pick up at least 1 win from Leinster, Edinburgh and Scarlets away.

Will be tough to get top spot IMO

theboss80 · 24-02-2020 3:24pm

Banner2theend wrote: »

Social media and myself included was very impressed with ROG's analysis on Virgin media yesterday. What are the chances of the Munster legend making a sensational come back to Thomand park as head coach of the southern province. It will certainly bring the crowds back to Thomand and Musgrave park in Cork that's for sure!! Thoughts?

Will he be back to coach Munster? Yes

Will it be any time soon? No

Why? It's Munster. It's his home team and the only way up from that is the national team for him I imagine. So at his age now he could have another 25 years in coaching so even if he had a great run of say 5/6 years at Munster and maybe 4/8 at national level its far too early for him to take the reins now.

I'd say give it another 5 years and maybe we see him back then but even at that it may be too soon. As another posted said he most likely has an idea mapped out on where he wants to progress his coaching at and where he wants to live even. Hearing him speak lately his kids are fluent french speaking and maybe the medium term is there in France until they are older and starting to make their own way.

He is in no rush and the exposure he is currently getting is all going towards forming a coaching philosophy that will some day see him on a podium as his Munster team raised the Heineken Cup again

thomond2006 · 25-02-2020 2:48pm

With no 6 Nations action this weekend, Chris Farrell and Jack O’Donoghue have been released from the Ireland camp and are training with the squad.

On the injury front, Niall Scannell and Shane Daly have undergone scans following Friday night’s game against Zebre.

Scannell was replaced after 20 minutes due to a leg injury and Daly was withdrawn from the starting XV before kick-off due to hip tightness.

Craig Casey departed in the second half of Friday night’s game due to a hand injury but an x-ray ruled out any fracture and he trained with the squad yesterday.

While rehabbing from his current wrist injury, Joey Carbery attended an ankle specialist last week who advised a further surgery. As Carbery is already undergoing rehabilitation for a wrist injury, it was decided to go ahead with the elective procedure on his ankle.

Continuing to rehab: Jean Kleyn (neck), Rhys Marshall (knee), Joey Carbery (wrist/ankle), Tadhg Beirne (ankle), Brian Scott (foot), Tyler Bleyendaal (neck).

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/02/25/squad-update-munster-prepare-for-scarlets-in-limerick/#post

Carbery is luckless. I doubt we'll see him again this season. Scannell and Daly's situation is to be confirmed but the short turnaround might rule them out.

You'd expect a few changes but probably nothing too extreme given the importance of the game. JOD and Farrell will likely start as they are back from camp.

I'd like to see:

Loughman, KOB, Ryan, Wycherley, Holland, Botha, JOD, JOS;
Casey, JJH, Sweetnam, Scannell, Farrell, Nash, Haley

Barron, Cronin, Knox, Coombes, Cloete, McCarthy, Healy, Goggin

Injured: Scannell (tbc), Marshall, Scott, Kleyn, Beirne, Carbery, Bleyendaal, Daly (tbc)
Ireland: Kilcoyne, POM, Stander, Murray, Earls, Conway

yerrahbah · 25-02-2020 3:00pm

Elective surgery?

So I'm guessing if he was fit then he probably would not have had it done.

A case of that he is out injured anyway so might aswell get another surgery done.

I know it doesn't work like this but I'd be inclined to give Carbery the rest of the season and the summer off and start pre-season with Munster fresh.

JJ has had a very good season and thankfully so given the circumstances

Eod100 · 25-02-2020 3:03pm

Yeah say rest of season write off for Carbery. Ireland games in Australia included. Might as well rehab and be right for preseason

slingerz · 25-02-2020 3:13pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Elective surgery?

So I'm guessing if he was fit then he probably would not have had it done.

A case of that he is out injured anyway so might aswell get another surgery done.

I know it doesn't work like this but I'd be inclined to give Carbery the rest of the season and the summer off and start pre-season with Munster fresh.

JJ has had a very good season and thankfully so given the circumstances

JJ is the main man now but if he gets injured it would be Ben Healy, Jake Flannery/Jack Crowley? No timeframe on a return for Tyler either

Cookiemunster · 25-02-2020 3:28pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Elective surgery?

So I'm guessing if he was fit then he probably would not have had it done.

A case of that he is out injured anyway so might aswell get another surgery done.

I know it doesn't work like this but I'd be inclined to give Carbery the rest of the season and the summer off and start pre-season with Munster fresh.

JJ has had a very good season and thankfully so given the circumstances

Probably, but it again brings us back to the question as to why a clearly unfit Carbery was brought to Japan and was then, while still not fully fit, played causing further damage to his ankle.

It was really poor judgement from Schmidt and the IRFU medics.

Scottmactom · 25-02-2020 3:30pm

Because Joey thought he could play on it and didn't want to risk missing a World cup. Playing for Ireland in a world cup being by far his highest priority.

Kirk Van Houten · 25-02-2020 5:09pm

Scottmactom wrote: »

Because Joey thought he could play on it and didn't want to risk missing a World cup. Playing for Ireland in a world cup being by far his highest priority.

It's not and never should be a players call if he's fit enough to play or not. If the medical team have to rely on a player to make that call then they aren't doing their job.

Eod100 · 25-02-2020 6:22pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Probably, but it again brings us back to the question as to why a clearly unfit Carbery was brought to Japan and was then, while still not fully fit, played causing further damage to his ankle.

It was really poor judgement from Schmidt and the IRFU medics.

And lack of faith in other players too. But that's a discussion for another thread I guess!

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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