Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

ionadnapokot · 18-12-2019 2:00pm

Good article on the type of shtyle Larkham has implemented.

Some good ideas - but would question having Earls in as a distributor. Not his forte!

JJ, Carbery and Scanell should really prosper.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/12/18/how-stephen-larkham-is-finding-his-feet-at-munster/

Some of the comments are interesting - saying that Larkham was rigid in the patterns he tried implementing at Brumbies.

solerina · 20-12-2019 6:58pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Think most of internationals are due to be rested alright

Internationals must have two consecutive weeks off over the Christmas period...none can play Leinster but some can play in one or other of the other two games.

shootermacg · 20-12-2019 7:44pm

Was a bit surprised to see CJ and Kleyn start after the shift they both put in vs Sarries. We are going there to win this one for sure.

Shefwedfan · 20-12-2019 8:44pm

Was listening to the Molecast earlier and they mentioned JVG was complaining about not getting full access to the internationals? Did he really?

aloooof · 21-12-2019 1:48am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Was listening to the Molecast earlier and they mentioned JVG was complaining about not getting full access to the internationals? Did he really?

Can’t say I’ve heard anything at all tbh. If there was anything to it, I’d expect to have heard it from other (possibly more reputable) sources.

Shefwedfan · 21-12-2019 4:51pm

aloooof wrote: »

Can’t say I’ve heard anything at all tbh. If there wasn’t anything to it, I’d expect to have heard it from other (possibly more reputable) sources.

They mentioned it a few times, said he should have known what he was getting himself into

I just found it strange as you would expect that to have made the news.....

shootermacg · 21-12-2019 5:32pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They mentioned it a few times, said he should have known what he was getting himself into

I just found it strange as you would expect that to have made the news.....

This is what? Third hand news? JVG doesn't strike me as the type of guy who whines. He may have said that they couldn't play the internationals over xmas. And then the Chinese whisper crew decided that that constitutes him calling out the system.

If you don't have a direct quote from the man, then why are you wasting our time?

aloooof · 21-12-2019 5:50pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They mentioned it a few times, said he should have known what he was getting himself into

I just found it strange as you would expect that to have made the news.....

If there was anything to it, it would have made the news. Matt O'Connor got slated for it a few years ago across loads of national media outlets. A quick google returns nothing at all. It sounds like the Molecast lads are way, way overstating whatever was said; that's if anything at all was said.

shootermacg · 21-12-2019 10:03pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They mentioned it a few times, said he should have known what he was getting himself into

I just found it strange as you would expect that to have made the news.....

Could you link the chat and time when this happened?

Found it. What a load of bollox. Guy says JVG was complaining, but he never said a thing on the interviews. So these bozos would seem to be the Fox news of punditry. Make something up and then give out about him, sorry but that's not punditry, that's just ****e.

yerrahbah · 22-12-2019 3:55pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Six rounds of PRO 14 played

Munster have used 42 players

With eight being involved in every game so far

Rory Scannell, Tyler Bleyendaal, JJ, Loughman, KO’B, Archer, JO’D and Botha.

In terms of minutes played

Rory Scannell is top with 440, JO’D with 414, S.Daly has 400, Haley has 385 and Botha with 356

16 different try scorers, eight forwards and eight backs

With Botha getting three, Alby getting three and Haley getting two.

Three yellow cards, one each for Haley, James Cronin and Rhys Marshall

Player Mins played
R.Scannell 440
JOD 414
S. Daly 400
Haley 385
Botha 356
Holland 336
JJH 309
Archer 305
Whycherley 291
KOB 290
Goggin 288
TB 260
TOD 258
Sweetnam 240
J Loughman 236
Alby M 229
C. Nash 175
J Cronin 171
Cloete 148
Darren O'Shea 130
Nick McC 124
R. Marshall 110
LOC 104
L. Coombes 97
N.Cronin 91
Knox 91
Holloway 89
S. Arnold 86
POM 80
Conway 80
C. Farrell 80
Stander 66
N. Scannell 66
JOS 66
J. Ryan 53
J. Kleyn 48
Wooton 40
G. Coombes 25
C. Murray 24
Oliver 22
Barron 19
C. Casey 12

Players yet to feature:
Beirne, Carbery, Earls, Killer, Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

12 games played so far this season
Munster have used 46 players
Kevin O’Byrne and Archer have played all 12 games
Rory Scannell, JJH and JO’D have played in 11 games
In terms on minutes played Rory Scannell is top with 766 minutes, JO’D with 717, Haley with 705,
Holland with 674 and JJH with 648

30 trys with 20 different try scorers
15 trys from the forwards and 15 from the backs
Botha, Mathewson and Conway all have three each

Three yellow cards
Haley, Cronin, Marshall.
One Red Card
Botha

Players yet to feature:

Carbery, Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

Players who have since left the club, Mathewson and Holloway
Player Mins played after 12 games Minutes in the last 6 games
R.Scannell 766 326
JOD 717 303
Haley 705 320
Holland 674 338
JJH 648 339
Archer 599 294
S. Daly 538 138
Botha 494 138
C. Farrell 480 400
Goggin 475 187
Stander 455 389
TOD 452 194
Whycherly 438 147
KOB 425 135
J Loughman 381 145
J Cronin 373 202
Conway 363 283
J. Kleyn 355 307
N. Scannell 343 277
TB 340 80
C. Nash 335 160
POM 320 240
Earls 320 320
C. Murray 304 280
Alby M 262 33
Sweetnam 240 0
Cloete 235 87
J. Ryan 207 154
Nick McC 202 78
LOC 192 88
Darren O'Shea 191 61
S. Arnold 179 93
R. Marshall 178 68
L. Coombes 177 80
Beirne 159 159
Knox 123 32
Wooton 120 80
N.Cronin 116 25
Holloway 98 9
C. Casey 76 64
JOS 66 0
Healy 61 61
Kilcoyne 55 55
Oliver 37 15
G. Coombes 34 9
Barron 19 0

phog · 23-12-2019 9:57am

yerrahbah wrote: »

Players yet to feature:

Carbery, Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

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Good bit of collating of info there

Sweetnam yet to feature too

yerrahbah · 23-12-2019 11:35am

phog wrote: »

Good bit of collating of info there

Sweetnam yet to feature too

Sweetnam played in the first three games.

Hes a bit of a loss especially when you think he started against Saracens in the SF last year and with Earls and Conway regulars in the Irish squads

Silver lining, It has afforded more gametime to the likes Daly (who has looked really good) , Coombes and Nash

phog · 23-12-2019 3:10pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Sweetnam played in the first three games.

Hes a bit of a loss especially when you think he started against Saracens in the SF last year and with Earls and Conway regulars in the Irish squads

Silver lining, It has afforded more gametime to the likes Daly (who has looked really good) , Coombes and Nash

I genuinely thought he has been injured since the beginning of the season

Burkie1203 · 23-12-2019 9:11pm

https://twitter.com/MPsportsdragon/status/1209203820921798659?s=19

Digifriendly · 24-12-2019 10:01pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

12 games played so far this season
Munster have used 46 players
Kevin O’Byrne and Archer have played all 12 games
Rory Scannell, JJH and JO’D have played in 11 games
In terms on minutes played Rory Scannell is top with 766 minutes, JO’D with 717, Haley with 705,
Holland with 674 and JJH with 648

30 trys with 20 different try scorers
15 trys from the forwards and 15 from the backs
Botha, Mathewson and Conway all have three each

Three yellow cards
Haley, Cronin, Marshall.
One Red Card
Botha

Players yet to feature:

Carbery, Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

Players who have since left the club, Mathewson and Holloway
Player Mins played after 12 games Minutes in the last 6 games
R.Scannell 766 326
JOD 717 303
Haley 705 320
Holland 674 338
JJH 648 339
Archer 599 294
S. Daly 538 138
Botha 494 138
C. Farrell 480 400
Goggin 475 187
Stander 455 389
TOD 452 194
Whycherly 438 147
KOB 425 135
J Loughman 381 145
J Cronin 373 202
Conway 363 283
J. Kleyn 355 307
N. Scannell 343 277
TB 340 80
C. Nash 335 160
POM 320 240
Earls 320 320
C. Murray 304 280
Alby M 262 33
Sweetnam 240 0
Cloete 235 87
J. Ryan 207 154
Nick McC 202 78
LOC 192 88
Darren O'Shea 191 61
S. Arnold 179 93
R. Marshall 178 68
L. Coombes 177 80
Beirne 159 159
Knox 123 32
Wooton 120 80
N.Cronin 116 25
Holloway 98 9
C. Casey 76 64
JOS 66 0
Healy 61 61
Kilcoyne 55 55
Oliver 37 15
G. Coombes 34 9
Barron 19 0

Are you sure Tyler Bleyendaal has been involved in every Pro 14 match? Has he not been injured?

Jump_In_Jack · 25-12-2019 8:54am

Digifriendly wrote: »

Are you sure Tyler Bleyendaal has been involved in every Pro 14 match? Has he not been injured?

You are looking at his previous post which he quoted for reference, that was after 6 matches.
The relevant post is below the quoted part, which is totalling 12 matches.

shootermacg · 25-12-2019 11:46am

Merry Christmas everyone! Hope you get what you're after!

phog · 27-12-2019 7:58pm

A Munster development team play Ireland U20's in Cork on Sunday

The Munster team is

Munster A/Dev: Jamie Shanahan; Ronan Quinn, Tommy Downes, Jack Delaney, SeFrench; Alan Tynan, Charlie O’Doherty; Mark Donnelly, Eoghan Clarke, James French; Eoin O’Connor, Paddy Kelly; Cian Hurley(C), Anthony Ryan, Daniel Okeke.

Replacements from: Kieran O’Shea, Aaron Hennessy, Ciaran Ryan, Liam Bishop, Aidan Brien, Amhlaoibh Porter, Farrell O’Donoghue, Ben Murphy, Tim Corkery, Killian Coughlan, Louis Bruce.

thomond2006 · 27-12-2019 8:12pm

Carbery to start next week so in Ravenhill. Maybe Munster could finally break their duck, that ground has become a graveyard for the usual second string we (are forced) to send. Since Murray, Earls and Conway (RTTP aside) didn't play against Connacht, I imagine they will be available. 3 weeks off seems excessive bar injury. Kleyn, Stander and Farrell played in Galway so they definitely won't be available.

Edit: A google tells me Munster won there in October 2016, I can't say I remember that game!

Bassfish · 27-12-2019 10:17pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Edit: A google tells me Munster won there in October 2016, I can't say I remember that game!

Did Rory Scannell score a penalty or DG to win that match or did I completely invent that in my head? (strong possibility).

thomond2006 · 27-12-2019 11:14pm

Bassfish wrote: »

Did Rory Scannell score a penalty or DG to win that match or did I completely invent that in my head? (strong possibility).

Just watching it on Youtube and Scannell did indeed kick a DG on 75'.
I don't remember it at all!

Edit: Axel died two weeks previously, that might explain not remembering this game...

Bassfish · 28-12-2019 9:20am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Just watching it on Youtube and Scannell did indeed kick a DG on 75'.
I don't remember it at all!

Edit: Axel died two weeks previously, that might explain not remembering this game...

The auld memory hasn't failed me yet! Ask me about matches from earlier this season and I won't have a clue!

thomond2006 · 28-12-2019 9:14pm

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 3

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2
Alex McHenry Year 3

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 3
Alan Tynan Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped)

It's coming up to decision time for the out of contract players.

Lucas44 · 28-12-2019 9:32pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 3

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2
Alex McHenry Year 3

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 3
Alan Tynan Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped)

It's coming up to decision time for the out of contract players.

Oliver and Botha to be released, JOS deserves a senior contract and will be starting 8 within next couple of years, hopefully hornet can push on at 7 in academy games and if not could see POM play a lot of 7 as his career winds down in next 3/4 years

thomond2006 · 28-12-2019 9:37pm

Kevin O'Byrne - his situation probably depends on the development of Barron and Clarke.
Dave Kilcoyne - One of the most important to retain.
Liam O'Connor - Release. Development hindered by injuries, Loughman's recent form probably makes him surplus.
Jeremy Loughman - Keep
Stephen Archer - Keep, but with a view to developing Knox to take his spot.
Brian Scott - Release
Ciaran Parker - Release
Billy Holland - Release. He's been a brilliant player but it's time to move on if he's not outright retiring anyway.
Sean O'Connor - No idea, his situation depends on others.
Darren O'Shea - Release
Arno Botha - Release
Conor Oliver - Release, pity about his injuries.
Jack O'Sullivan - Keep, he looks great.

Jack Stafford - Release, four scrumhalves are already signed up.
Sam Arnold - Release
Dan Goggin - Keep
Alex McHenry - No idea, his situation depends on others.
Andrew Conway - See Kilcoyne!
Liam Coombes - Keep
Alan Tynan - Release, based on his lack of appearances.

gally74 · 28-12-2019 9:46pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kevin O'Byrne - his situation probably depends on the development of Barron and Clarke.
Dave Kilcoyne - One of the most important to retain.
Liam O'Connor - Release. Development hindered by injuries, Loughman's recent form probably makes him surplus.
Jeremy Loughman - Keep
Stephen Archer - Keep, but with a view to developing Knox to take his spot.
Brian Scott - Release
Ciaran Parker - Release
Billy Holland - Release. He's been a brilliant player but it's time to move on if he's not outright retiring anyway.
Sean O'Connor - No idea, his situation depends on others.
Darren O'Shea - Release
Arno Botha - Release
Conor Oliver - Release, pity about his injuries.
Jack O'Sullivan - Keep, he looks great.

Jack Stafford - Release, four scrumhalves are already signed up.
Sam Arnold - Release
Dan Goggin - Keep
Alex McHenry - No idea, his situation depends on others.
Andrew Conway - See Kilcoyne!
Liam Coombes - Keep
Alan Tynan - Release, based on his lack of appearances.

I'm sure a few of these could come up to Conn, was Arnold any good ?

awec · 28-12-2019 9:48pm

Arnold is only 23, he'll still do a job for Munster. Just feels like he's been around forever cause he started so young at Ulster.

thomond2006 · 28-12-2019 9:54pm

awec wrote: »

Arnold is only 23, he'll still do a job for Munster. Just feels like he's been around forever cause he started so young at Ulster.

Arnold still could do a job but if DDA is signed I don't see a spot for him. You'll have Scannell, Goggin, Farrell and DDA in the squad.

It's a choice between Arnold and McHenry.

Buer · 28-12-2019 9:54pm

If Munster are going to release that many players, they will need to be very busy in the signings market over the next 3 months.

I'd be shocked if they released that many players. If Arnold leaves, it will be for financial reasons or his own decision.

People forget that Arnold is IQ through family and is born and raised in England. I'm sure he'll have offers on the table from the Premiership.

thomond2006 · 28-12-2019 9:59pm

I count 10 outright releases and that includes academy players who don't get moved up. They had about the same last summer.
It's also based on Snyman and DDA being signed as rumoured.

They probably keep Scott or Parker for numbers at TH so that makes 9 releases then.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

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