The Alabama senate has voted to ban abortion after six weeks

Crock Rock · 16-05-2019 5:36pm #1

Bravo and well done. A step in the right direction and a step towards a more humane society. Six weeks is more than sifficient time to get an abortion if you want one.

Personally, I have been pro choice for any woman that wants one upto that time (although I still think it's a barbaric practice), but any later (ie, 12 weeks!) in Ireland is a disgrace. But recently I have grown more and more pro-life and against abortion. Certain jurisdictions even allow for a child in utero to be killed if he / she is disabled up ot an including viable stages of pregnancy.

It is a step in the right direction towards a more civilised society. Some people seem to think of an unborn life as something that can be thrown away.

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2019/0516/1049771-alabama-abortion-law/

EmmetSpiceland · 16-05-2019 5:39pm

Is that the sound of knuckles being dragged across the ground I hear?

c.p.w.g.w · 16-05-2019 5:39pm

6 weeks is barbarically short time frame, many women could be 5 weeks along before they know in the case of crisis pregnancy

topper75 · 16-05-2019 5:40pm

What a crazy state - enshrining the right to life of the innocent and executing murderers. Maybe one day they can learn to be 'progressive' like us.
What are we progressing towards again? I've forgotten in amongst all the backslapping, virtue signalling, and general emoji bonhomie.

Skylinehead · 16-05-2019 5:42pm

You lost, get over it.

TheValeyard · 16-05-2019 5:42pm

No bite.

theteal · 16-05-2019 5:43pm

I don't know the ins and outs of this but MrsTeal just cursed at me when I read that thread title aloud.

vriesmays · 16-05-2019 5:43pm

Does this mean Alamaba isn't as progressive as Ireland.

Walter Bishop · 16-05-2019 5:44pm

Another ridiculous attempt to control others. Six weeks is laughable, some women won't even know they're pregnant at that stage.

And just to really rub it in, because let's face it the cruelty is pretty much the point here, there's no exceptions for rape or incest, and they criminalise travelling outside the state for an abortion.

Good old GOP, getting the digs in while they can.

Lurching · 16-05-2019 5:47pm

What's the demographic of the senate?
I'm guessing they were mostly men in their 50's+?
Great idea asking them to make a decision on something like this.

KSU · 16-05-2019 5:47pm

Roe vs Wade will never get thrown out by supreme court so it really is a non issue.

topper75 · 16-05-2019 5:48pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

You lost, get over it.

Get over state-sanctioned baby murder? Easier said than done.
Anyway, in this thread context - isn't it 'you' who 'lost'?

upandcumming · 16-05-2019 5:49pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

You lost, get over it.

So brave...

lawred2 · 16-05-2019 5:49pm

Do not feed

topper75 · 16-05-2019 5:49pm

Lurching wrote: »

What's the demographic of the senate?
I'm guessing they were mostly men in their 50's+?
Great idea asking them to make a decision on something like this.

They reckon the people whose lives are saved could be anything up to and even beyond 50% female.

Walter Bishop · 16-05-2019 5:50pm

Lurching wrote: »

What's the demographic of the senate?
I'm guessing they were mostly men in their 50's+?
Great idea asking them to make a decision on something like this.

Can't find the picture (it's on Twitter) but shockingly enough it's all white guys in their 50s and up, by the looks of it.

Sunny Disposition · 16-05-2019 5:52pm

I voted yes in the referendum and would rather abortion be available for longer than six weeks, but must say the outrage of the liberals is just delicious! Make no sense I know.

Walter Bishop · 16-05-2019 5:53pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I voted yes in the referendum and would rather abortion be available for longer than six weeks, but must say the outrage of the liberals is just delicious! Make no sense I know.

You're right, it does make no sense, but that's where politics seems to be now.

'owning the libs' now seems to be acceptable as an excuse for people to act like <unts.

Ursus Horribilis · 16-05-2019 5:56pm

I presume they're also going to put supports in place to help all those mothers and babies? Better sex education and access to contraception? </sarcasm>

Guy:Incognito · 16-05-2019 5:57pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Personally, I have been pro choice for any woman that wants one upto that time (although I still think it's a barbaric practice), but any later (ie, 12 weeks!) in Ireland is a disgrace.

That's so great of you to decide that for them . Wouldnt want all those women you havnt and never will meet to have to worry their poor little women minds with big life decisions.

paw patrol · 16-05-2019 5:57pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Can't find the picture (it's on Twitter) but shockingly enough it's all white guys in their 50s and up, by the looks of it.

a pretty stupid argument , they are elected by all the people . That is the game.
However if we decide to play your game (nonsensical as it is) it turns your argument on it's head when you realise that the law was proposed by a woman and signed into law by another.

paw patrol · 16-05-2019 6:01pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I presume they're also going to put supports in place to help all those mothers and babies? Better sex education and access to contraception? </sarcasm>

I'll accept there should be supports for people in crisis that goes without saying and I think condoms are fair to dear in ireland (not sure about USA) but ffs stone age man probably knew the consequence of the hot meat injection....like thousands of years later what more sex education does one need?

Why do people (and you) trot out that nonsense.

Guy:Incognito · 16-05-2019 6:01pm

paw patrol wrote: »

a pretty stupid argument , they are elected by all the people . That is the game.
However if we decide to play your game (nonsensical as it is) it turns your argument on it's head when you realise that the law was proposed by a woman and signed into law by another.

They're feeble minded if they make their decisions and live their lives based on a book of horse**** written a couple of thousand years ago. (Constituants and politicians alike)

Plus, plenty of them (politicians over there ) have been shown to be complete hypocrites when an intern they've been cheating with ends up pregnant.

emmaro · 16-05-2019 6:04pm

You don't find out you're pregnant until 4 weeks at the earliest.

Horrible what Alabama has voted for. They care more about a bunch of cells than the children dying in their schools everyweek from guns.

KSU · 16-05-2019 6:06pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Can't find the picture (it's on Twitter) but shockingly enough it's all white guys in their 50s and up, by the looks of it.

Presume you mean this one?

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1128494980098662407?s=20

The vote was 25-6

There are 4 women in the Alabama Senate 2 or which abstained or didn't vote, 2 of which were against.

16-05-2019 6:39pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Can't find the picture (it's on Twitter) but shockingly enough it's all white guys in their 50s and up, by the looks of it.

Then other demographics have no one but themselves to blame for not running for election and not voting for other candidates. One like on social media does not equal one vote.

LessOutragePlz · 16-05-2019 6:41pm

If you believe that life begins at conception then you'd believe that it is the right decision.

Will I Am Not · 16-05-2019 6:42pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Can't find the picture (it's on Twitter) but shockingly enough it's all white guys in their 50s and up, by the looks of it.

What has ethnicity got to do with it?

ceadaoin. · 16-05-2019 6:43pm

Well you clearly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to women and their bodies. What a shock .

Pregnancies are dated from when the last period started. 6 weeks is really not "more than enough time" for a woman to decide whether she wants to continue the pregnancy or not. Unless they are actively trying to conceive, many women don't even know they are pregnant at that stage. It's 2 weeks after her period would be due. Throw in irregular periods and a busy lifestyle and it's easy to miss that your period is late. I myself was 8 weeks when I found out. I didn't want an abortion so I didn't have one. My choice. they aren't compulsory even if they are allowed.

KSU · 16-05-2019 6:44pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

What has ethnicity got to do with it?

Identity politics has played a huge role in black voters supporting Democrats traditionally in the US while the view of republicans has traditionally be white middle age men. This is changing however as we see the likes of Candice Owens and other people of colour starting to lean towards right wing ways of thinking. Interestingly Alabama had a democratic majority in the senate for a 136 year period up until 2010.

batgoat · 16-05-2019 6:45pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I voted yes in the referendum and would rather abortion be available for longer than six weeks, but must say the outrage of the liberals is just delicious! Make no sense I know.

Firstly, it's probably unconstitutional. Secondly, you'd us be to be a bit of a sadist to be celebrating the fact that a lot of women will find it impossible to have an abortion as a direct result because there's a good chance that they won't be aware of a pregnancy by the cut off. But yes, celebrate your liberal tears while women suffer.

dudara · 16-05-2019 6:46pm

It’s a sad, regressive decision. It shortens the timeframe for abortion to an incredibly short window, which may not be enough for some women to even realize they are pregnant. And there’s no leeway at all for the truly sad cases of pregnancy through rape & incest.

There is no compassion in this.

LorelaiG · 16-05-2019 6:47pm

It's backwards they're going. Feel for the women of Alabama and Georgia who are affected by this.

KSU · 16-05-2019 6:49pm

LorelaiG wrote: »

It's backwards they're going. Feel for the women of Alabama and Georgia who are affected by this.

There are none affected

It is un-enforceable and that is not set to change any time soon because even pro-lifers don't wanna open up that can of worms (Poll opinions had pro-life support at 48% while those who supported overturning Roe vs Wade was at a 40 year low at 28%)

batgoat · 16-05-2019 6:56pm

dudara wrote: »

It’s a sad, regressive decision. It shortens the timeframe for abortion to an incredibly short window, which may not be enough for some women to even realize they are pregnant. And there’s no leeway at all for the truly sad cases of pregnancy through rape & incest.

There is no compassion in this.

Also if enforced would simply increase the number of illegal abortions.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 6:58pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

6 weeks is barbarically short time frame, many women could be 5 weeks along before they know in the case of crisis pregnancy

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Its really to challenge roe vrs wade now that the supreme court has changed.

Republicans can't afford to live in a country with no abortion they have too many of them themselves.

Also its not six weeks. Its when there is a heartbeat until there is no longer a heartbeat. (you usually get a heartbeat around 6 weeks development not when you last had a period etc) Which we know here in Ireland is not a good idea.

Also you can be charged for having a miscarriage in Alabama now. You go running and fall and then have a miscarriage two weeks later the police are going to come knocking on your door. You decide to get cancer treatment when pregnant and lose the baby ..you go prison.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2019 7:00pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

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Its really to challenge roe vrs wade now that the supreme court has changed.

Republicans can't afford to live in a country with no abortion they have too many of them themselves.

Also its not six weeks. Its when there is a heartbeat until there is no longer a heartbeat. (you usually get a heartbeat around 6 weeks) Which we know here in Ireland is not a good idea.

Also you can be charged for having a miscarriage in Alabama now. You go running and fall and then have a miscarriage two weeks later the police are going to come knocking on your door. You decide to get cancer treatment when pregnant and lose the baby ..you go prison.

You travel to the next state and have an abortion, you could go to prison.

Billy Mays · 16-05-2019 7:03pm

Liberal tears >>>> forcing a rape victim to carry their rapist's baby to term then allowing said rapist seek access to said baby once it's born

ceadaoin. · 16-05-2019 7:04pm

batgoat wrote: »

Also if unenforced would simply increase the number of illegal abortions.

Exactly. You can't ban abortions, you can only ban safe ones. Women are still going to seek to end pregnancies, just as they have since forever. Only now they will have to risk their lives and their freedom to do it.

Ursus Horribilis · 16-05-2019 7:06pm

Roe vs Wade's on shaky ground though, isn't it? One more supreme court appointment by Trump and there'll be another conservative pro-lifer there for decades.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 7:09pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Roe vs Wade's on shaky ground though, isn't it? One more supreme court appointment by Trump and there'll be another conservative pro-lifer there for decades.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg ....last one standing ...she has to hang on until a DEM makes it into the oval office or the states is screwed.

Roe Vrs Wade being overturned doesn't outlaw abortion. It just gives states power to outlaw it in their jurisdiction. Also overturning roe vrs wade doesn't stop other people being a state outlawing abortion to the supreme court.

It really just brings the battle to the forefront again.

There will always be states in the US that allow abortions. Its just it can be like getting the UK for some people requiring money and fare etc.

Because there is training and abortionists there are more likely to be backstreet abortions too.

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Pray for this 86 yr old jewish woman people ...she just needs to make for 2 to six more years...( OF COURSE I HOPE SHE MAKES IT LONGER THAN THAT!)

Otherwise there is nothing standing between the born babies trump and the cages! Never mind the unborn!

KSU · 16-05-2019 7:11pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Roe vs Wade's on shaky ground though, isn't it? One more supreme court appointment by Trump and there'll be another conservative pro-lifer there for decades.

Most opinion polls say the opposite actually most pro lifers don't want to get rid of Roe vs Wade just as much as pro choice

Outlaw Pete · 16-05-2019 7:13pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Is that the sound of knuckles being dragged across the ground I hear?

Amazing, in the run-up to the referendum users (such as myself) were permanently banned from posting in the repeal thread if the made even the slightest disparaging remarks about those with pro-choice views and yet here you have a clear insult aimed at the OP and anyone that dares agree with him, thanked by AH mods.

But yet they'll tell you they don't moderate in a biased way. Ha!

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2019 7:15pm

KSU wrote: »

Most opinion polls say the opposite actually most pro lifers don't want to get rid of Roe vs Wade just as much as pro choice

Being pro-choice in a world with abortion is much nicer than being pro-choice in a world without abortion.

Itssoeasy · 16-05-2019 7:15pm

KSU wrote: »

Roe vs Wade will never get thrown out by supreme court so it really is a non issue.

Well we will see how it stands up to this challenge. I say challenge as this is being seen as a test of roe vs wade and the conservative judges Trump has put on the Supreme Court. And there does seem to be a willingness from one Supreme Court(the Chief Justice) to not overturn judgements made by a previous Supreme Court but it's not a rule.

santana75 · 16-05-2019 7:16pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Bravo and well done. A step in the right direction and a step towards a more humane society. Six weeks is more than sifficient time to get an abortion if you want one.

Personally, I have been pro choice for any woman that wants one upto that time (although I still think it's a barbaric practice), but any later (ie, 12 weeks!) in Ireland is a disgrace. But recently I have grown more and more pro-life and against abortion. Certain jurisdictions even allow for a child in utero to be killed if he / she is disabled up ot an including viable stages of pregnancy.

It is a step in the right direction towards a more civilised society. Some people seem to think of an unborn life as something that can be thrown away.

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2019/0516/1049771-alabama-abortion-law/

Fair play for posting that. I See you got a lot of likes for it too, which says it all really. Its a brave move by Alabama though, they had to know that people would come after them and accuse them of not being "Progressive".

16-05-2019 7:20pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote:

Is that the sound of knuckles being dragged across the ground I hear?

Disgusting comment. People who are anti abortion aren't knuckle draggers in the same way pro abortionists aren't all despicable baby killers. Nuance means nothing to people like you

Walter Bishop wrote:

Can't find the picture (it's on Twitter) but shockingly enough it's all white guys in their 50s and up, by the looks of it.

Imagine. We should have a committee of just women liberals with repeal jumpers on.

Old white men are ****.

B0jangles · 16-05-2019 7:20pm

Hasn't been repeatedly established that making abortion illegal doesn't reduce the number of abortions, it just turns them into backstreet abortions?

So this move probably won't prevent any abortions but it just might end up killing a few women along the way?

edit: yep:

https://www.guttmacher.org/report/abortion-worldwide-2017

Abortions occur as frequently in the two most-restrictive categories of countries (banned outright or allowed only to save the woman’s life) as in the least-restrictive category (allowed without restriction as to reason)—37 and 34 per 1,000 women, respectively.

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-05-2019 7:21pm

Why so many people here care so much about the women of Alabama I'll never figure out.

B0jangles · 16-05-2019 7:23pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Why so many people here care so much about the women of Alabama I'll never figure out.

Empathy is a real thing.

Billy Mays · 16-05-2019 7:26pm

The Alabama senate has voted to ban abortion after six weeks

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