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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker **Spoilers from post 2076**

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  • #152
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Falthyron wrote: »
    Threepio with a bowcaster and bandolier is making me think bullshít.
    Agreed. Gotta be a fan mashup.


  • #153
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,998 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I loved Star Wars so much but I just cant get excited about this one and it saddens me. The last Jedi was just awful. All of it.
    Princess Leia flying through space...I honestly didn't know where to look. I thought someone was doing a piss take.
    It was one of the worst scenes in movie history. And Luke dying on the rock, pathetic stuff. Now I just don't care what happens. Pity.

    I'll admit that when I first saw TLJ I too was shocked by it. Thought those bits were daft and spoiled the film for me.

    I then went to see it a 2nd time at the cinema, and I decided beforehand to ignore the silly bits, and assess the film if these didn't exist. Doing that, it wasn't a bad film!

    As for the films, I was originally disappointed at TFA when it came out, but I think you have to remember that they aren't making these films for those people in their late 40s/early 50s, the original fans. They are trying to capture a new audience.

    And I think they have. My young lad is into Star Wars and thinks the films are great, and he is the same age now as I was when I first seen Star Wars in 77. So its just different generations, and different markets.


  • #154
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I'll admit that when I first saw TLJ I too was shocked by it. Thought those bits were daft and spoiled the film for me.

    I then went to see it a 2nd time at the cinema, and I decided beforehand to ignore the silly bits, and assess the film if these didn't exist. Doing that, it wasn't a bad film!

    As for the films, I was originally disappointed at TFA when it came out, but I think you have to remember that they aren't making these films for those people in their late 40s/early 50s, the original fans. They are trying to capture a new audience.

    And I think they have. My young lad is into Star Wars and thinks the films are great, and he is the same age now as I was when I first seen Star Wars in 77. So its just different generations, and different markets.

    There is also the fact that the market is now saturate with massive comicbook and children’s fantasy movies. Back when Star Wars was released there was nothing comparable anywhere near as popular as influential as it. It was also released every 3 years but you might have 4 massive movies in year targeted towards a similar audience.

    I do think another issue was nostalgia and a failure to accept that any new SW was going to match how we felt about the originals growing up. The newer movies don’t have the same charm of the originalls but I know they aren’t made for me so I don’t get upset with what we got.


  • #155
    Dades
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    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    The aesthetic of the new movies can't be faulted. Even the new characters are (mostly) great, and will be a great transition from the old guard.

    The problem is with the plots. TFA is like the OTs greatest hits. An unapologetic ripoff that I guess echoes the point that the movies are for a new generation. Many have never seen a Death Star destroy a planet, or have seen Han and Chewie lead a mission to take down a shield generator so the rebel fleet could attack.

    The plot for TLJ was just the slowest space chase in history.

    If for IX they could just add an original, 3-dimensional plot, to all the good stuff they've done then it'll be a hell of a movie.


  • #156
    Goodshape
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    Disappointing box office take less than a billion
    Would that be Carrie Fisher's daughter in the Daft Punk helmet behind Poe?


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  • #157
    Sad Professor
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    Goodshape wrote: »
    Would that be Carrie Fisher's daughter in the Daft Punk helmet behind Poe?

    No, most likely (and I'll spoiler this in case others don't want to know)
    Keri Russell's
    character.


  • #158
    nix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭nix


    Haha, i love how nobody is asking where Rose is :D

    Whos the lady beside Chewy? Looks like Lando with a sex change..

    I'd bet my money this is just fan made anyway, so much of it is just too dumb, red storm troopers :rolleyes:


  • #159
    pixelburp
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    Yeah I didn't spot that wacky alien on the left; on reflection I think that has to be a fake; no way Disney would design something so ... goofy. They're not that foolish to repeat the Jar-Jar mistake again.


  • #160
    TerrorFirmer
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    Haha, the creature looks like a mutant Sea Monkey. You'd also have to question why they would slap the mask back on Kylo Ren. The more I look at the poster the more I hope it is genuinely fake, though I'll be annoyed if the Knights of Ren don't feature in the actual film.


  • #161
    Sad Professor
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    The costumes match up with other leaks. It is already known for example that Kylo has his mask back, so I’d say it’s real alright.


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  • #162
    homerun_homer
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    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    This does not look at all like a legit poster we will see once they release something official. It's a hack job, the quality of the photos are more like from the front of toy merch, or from the books that show off the costumes and weapons.

    If that is the quality of the initial poster they would release after all this time and silence, then I would happily give up on JJ, and any hope I had of this film saving the trilogy.


  • #163
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Yeah I didn't spot that wacky alien on the left; on reflection I think that has to be a fake; no way Disney would design something so ... goofy. They're not that foolish to repeat the Jar-Jar mistake again.

    It could be a fake. But that stupid looking alien (mind you not as dumb looking as Jar Jar) was in an earlier leak.


    dwnqtimkigf21png.png?auto=format%2Ccompress&dpr=2&w=650





    He has a face that looks like he couldn't care less about Episode IX.

    I don't blame him. :pac:


  • #164
    Tony EH
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    What's most depressing about all of that though, is Richard E. Grant as a First Order officer.

    That probably means Ep. IX is doubling down on the First Order as the comedy buffoons we saw in 'The Last Jedi'. :(

    The sooner all of this crap is over, the better.


  • #165
    tigger123
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    Getting excited about this now. Won't be long till we have the first trailer! :)

    Watched The Last Jedi a few weekends ago for the first time since I'd seen it in the cinema. A lot of the negative commentary around it made me avoid it for whatever reason. But I actually enjoyed it even more on second viewing. Adam Driver is fantastic in it.


  • #166
    lapua20grain
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    Disappointing box office take less than a billion
    Tony EH wrote: »
    What's most depressing about all of that though, is Richard E. Grant as a First Order officer.

    That probably means Ep. IX is doubling down on the First Order as the comedy buffoons we saw in 'The Last Jedi'. :(

    The sooner all of this crap is over, the better.
    In all fairness you don't have to go see these movies so it could be over for you now if you ignore the next movie. That's your issue solved.


  • #167
    Tony EH
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    I won't be, unless there's absolutely stellar feedback...and even then...But, I have to admit to a certain morbid curiosity.

    Honestly though, I just don't think this trilogy can be saved at this point.


  • #168
    lapua20grain
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    Disappointing box office take less than a billion
    Tony EH wrote: »
    I won't be, unless there's absolutely stellar feedback...and even then...But, I have to admit to a certain morbid curiosity.

    Honestly though, I just don't think this trilogy can be saved at this point.
    Personally i will go and enjoy it for what it is, a movie nothing more.


  • #169
    pixelburp
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    Richard E Grant playing a snarling villain is fine with me, even if we don't know for sure what role he has. Even while I didn't mind the First Orders overt camp, Domhnall Gleason isn't cut out for that kind of performance. Grant would bring more fun


  • #170
    J Mysterio
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    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Falthyron wrote: »
    Threepio with a bowcaster and bandolier is making me think bullshít..

    https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1111349754493964288


  • #171
    Relikk
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    Here's a few more character images...

    https://imgur.com/a/TcOv8B4


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  • #172
    Branberg
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    Can someone explain to me what is it about the originals that's so great?


  • #173
    Teddy Daniels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭Teddy Daniels


    Branberg wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me what is it about the originals that's so great?

    It’s mainly the unknown stuff and how the world is built but allows us to fill in or imagine the edges continue off to infinity.
    They show us a space battle and a Princess who is a diplomat being boarded and accused of being in collusion with a rebel group.
    Then we follow the droid she entrusts to a backwards planet where we learn that there is magic and there was a war recently that the empire won and that everyone on this planet is suffering from disillusionment and lethargy.
    The wizard then entrusts a boy he meets and the droid and they set out on the timeless quest to save the princess from the castle and destroy the evil sorcerers source of power.

    The second episode expands on this perfect story, they are now a cohesive band and they are on the run from retribution from the dark lord they attacked in the first story.

    There is joy in inpenatrable mystery and while we are starting to know more we still have to speculate and fill in the blanks about the bows and whys of this universe

    We see the group being captured and as we see them try to escape a massive twist is suggested
    Is D.V simply the dark father?
    Some people believed so didn’t there was no you tube or internet to use to have our opinion fed to used have to decide.
    Then it turns out that luke and leia are siblings. ( this is acually the first crack in an otherwise perfect three hours of suspension of disbelief)

    So our hero goes on a quest to gain more insight and more power and we end on some more revelations and with more knowledge but the world building has been expanded on and there is still a sense of wonder.

    The final Star Wars episode wraps up with a few gaps left but mainly we are told the story we signed up to and there is still a huge amount of the unknown to wonder or speculate about.

    So we (Star Wars fans) have now a world that has been built and expanded upon and a beautiful mystery to speculate upon and allow the universe to be limited only by our imagination.

    Any following stories should have created their own mythos and asked a question for every answer they provide.
    They don’t, because the prequels are prequels there is no drama, we know who will die and who will live, we get told how things work but this turns them from magical to mechanical and it turns out the deep and powerful dark sorcer is just an immature teenager locked in a iron lung


  • #174
    tigger123
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    Branberg wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me what is it about the originals that's so great?

    Episode IV and VI are very good films, while Episode V is excellent IMO. If it's not for you though, it's not for you.

    There's a lot of Star Wars fans (myself included) that were kids when they first saw them, so there's a lot wrapped up in that. A lot of nostalgia. And its a path in some ways back to a simpler time (both for you as in individual, and for society at large).

    Similar reason as to why Stranger Things was such a hit.

    The new films are made for a different audience, who live in a very different world. So when people get angry at a change in direction of the franchise (IMO) they're angry at a lot of different things.

    There's people (who I know) that love the new films and can't stand the old ones. Which is fine too. It's art. It's their to be enjoyed or not. I don't see why people get so enraged by the whole thing.


  • #175
    NIMAN
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    I think nostalgia plays a MASSIVE part in the the original 3 films.

    I watched them between the ages of 9 and 15. At that time, cinema was powerful, we had no Netflix, no streaming and a handful of TV channels. The buzz around in those years was amazing. I had so many toys, comics, novels, everything to do with the films. Even compare to what else was in the cinema for kids, it probably was on a different level to those as well.

    When I watch them back now as a more discerning adult, I can see the flaws, and there is a lot of ham acting and terrible dialogue.


  • #176
    Zubeneschamali
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    Branberg wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me what is it about the originals that's so great?

    Star Wars itself is mostly good because it was fresh at the time, different from everything we had seen up to that point - the simple wholesome plot of a Buck Rogers serial married to cutting edge special effects. It also had a new realism - space was not all shiny steel and white corridors, it was dirty, beat up, and lived in.

    If you look at a list of SF movies before SW, they were either crap for kids or highbrow adult fare like Solaris or 2001. Star Wars was a genuine family movie that adults and children alike loved, and a template for blockbusters ever since.

    Looking at it now, you can see all the flaws of the prequels were there in embryonic form - the dialogue was rubbish, Hamill and Fisher can't act for peanuts, the director is more interested in the effects than anyone acting, Guinness and Cushing are collecting a paycheck.

    Looking at the various documentaries about it, huge amounts of boring rubbish were cut in the editing suite, and even the ending was altered from Lucas's cut - the Death Star was NOT about to destroy the rebel base in the original, it was just a sitting duck in space.

    So SW was an important movie because it was fresh, and a model for blockbusters to follow, but it was mostly good in spite of Lucas.

    Empire is still a genuinely good movie on any terms - Hamill and Fisher are better, there is some decent dialogue, but most of all, there is an actual director at the helm.

    RotJ is where the rot sets in as Lucas runs out of ideas, recycles the plot of SW with another run at another Death Star, and adds teddy bears.


  • #177
    Tony EH
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    Branberg wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me what is it about the originals that's so great?

    Well, I was going to reply, but I guess I won't bother...


    Branberg
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    :pac:


  • #178
    pixelburp
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    I'm going to go ahead and speculate that there's no shortage of exhaustive videos out there dissecting what it is that marks Star Wars out for praise / love / obsession.


  • #179
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I think nostalgia plays a MASSIVE part in the the original 3 films.

    I watched them between the ages of 9 and 15. At that time, cinema was powerful, we had no Netflix, no streaming and a handful of TV channels. The buzz around in those years was amazing. I had so many toys, comics, novels, everything to do with the films. Even compare to what else was in the cinema for kids, it probably was on a different level to those as well.

    When I watch them back now as a more discerning adult, I can see the flaws, and there is a lot of ham acting and terrible dialogue.

    I had actually begun to type up something earlier like above but thought better of it. A lot of the criticisms leveled at the newer movies could be objectively leveled at originals, possibly more so but then you get accused of wanting to sh*t on them for pointing it out.

    We can get anywhere up to 5 major movie releases in one year that cater for similar audiences to those who like Star Wars. Back when the OTs were made you would Be lucky to get one in a year. Waiting three years in between movies also built expectations and allowed us to appreciate them better.

    I adore the originals and don’t care to dissect them for any reason. But the newer ones don’t give me the same sense of wonder or excitement for good reason. I’m a few decades older and they aren’t made to appeal to me. There’s a few nods here and there but generally they are about bringing the franchise to.a newer generation. I’m ok with that but some people can’t or won’t accept that.

    I do think that the newer movies definitely lack the charm of the older ones. Also think the characters were better and more relatable.


  • #180
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭conorhal


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1111349754493964288




    Here's the thing, there WAS a time you'd be justifiably dismissive, until Rian Johnson decided that ordinary working droids could have a bodycount, I legit think BB-8 killed more stormtroopers in his AT-ST rampage in TFA then Rey and Finn combined.

    Given many of the questionable character choices made in the new trilogy, a protocol droid going 'full metal jacket' no longer seems like a move too dumb to be out of the question... :pac:


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  • #181
    py2006
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    Sharper version

    m1wigfuqeto21.jpg


  • #182
    DrumSteve
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    If you turn it sideways it kinda looks like VI

    Not sure what that would mean though


  • #183
    TomSweeney
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    I think we should expect the first trailer today or tomorrow ...


  • #184
    TomSweeney
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    Episode IV and VI are very good films, while Episode V is excellent IMO. If it's not for you though, it's not for you.

    There's a lot of Star Wars fans (myself included) that were kids when they first saw them, so there's a lot wrapped up in that. A lot of nostalgia. And its a path in some ways back to a simpler time (both for you as in individual, and for society at large).

    Similar reason as to why Stranger Things was such a hit.

    The new films are made for a different audience, who live in a very different world. So when people get angry at a change in direction of the franchise (IMO) they're angry at a lot of different things.

    There's people (who I know) that love the new films and can't stand the old ones. Which is fine too. It's art. It's their to be enjoyed or not. I don't see why people get so enraged by the whole thing.


    Exactly, when you think about it, the guys that saw Star Wars as kids (like me) are in their 40s/50s now.
    From Disney point of view whats the point in catering for us, when we are dying off to put it bluntly ... :(


    I would really love the Rian Johnson trilogy to be set in the Old Republic days, Darth Bane etc ... but it won't happen, it will be for the next generation and will be completley independent - probably set 100 years or so after ep IX - with no ties.

    I would also love an Obi Wan movie with Ewan McGregor - won't happen either, again the new generation don't care about the old characters, these 3 films are a wrap up of the old, introducing the new - stylistically at least.

    In fact now that I think about it, I am surprised we got Rogue one and Solo.


  • #185
    Tony EH
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    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Exactly, when you think about it, the guys that saw Star Wars as kids (like me) are in their 40s/50s now.
    From Disney point of view whats the point in catering for us, when we are dying off to put it bluntly ... :(

    None of that changes whether something is shit or not.


  • #186
    TomSweeney
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    None of that changes whether something is shit or not.


    Agreed, but just stating the reality that this is Disneys baby now, they will do what they want to make it profitable, I hope it's good, it may not be (for me)


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  • #187
    Tony EH
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    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Agreed, but just stating the reality that this is Disneys baby now, they will do what they want to make it profitable, I hope it's good, it may not be (for me)

    Disney alienating the folk who have pumped their hard earned into the franchise since 1977 is one of the reasons why they're in a state of flux at the moment. Killing those geese and hoping someone else will lay all those golden eggs is a terribly bad idea. That's why sales for everything Star Wars is down.

    Disney are now pinning their hopes on TV fare and praying that IX isn't a disaster like 'Solo'. I don't think it will be, myself. But, this trilogy is a busted flush anyway. It's really been a mess from the beginning.

    I think, though, that everyone is just grinding out this trilogy and cannot wait for it to be over. It'll limp over the line and that'll be it. Then they can put their efforts into something else. Hopefully, with a lot more planning and strategy involved.


  • #188
    Dades
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    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Tony EH wrote: »
    I think, though, that everyone is just grinding out this trilogy and cannot wait for it to be over. It'll limp over the line and that'll be it. Then they can put their efforts into something else. Hopefully, with a lot more planning and strategy involved.
    What galaxy are you in?

    https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Star-Wars#tab=summary

    Episode VII grossed more than the OT put together. Even Rogue One grossed more than The Phantom Menace. Episode IX will smash even more records and Disney will be selling more merchandise than they can make.

    Mistakes were made, like story choices in TLJ, or the timing of the release of Solo, but people still turned up.

    After TLJ, Abrams has a clean slate to move on. No more Snoke (Emperor) or Starkiller Base (Death Star) meaning we should see something original. His execution of TFA was flawless and the characters he introduced were loved by a new generation.

    The future is oh-so-bright for Disney.


  • #189
    Theboinkmaster
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    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    Dades wrote: »
    The future is oh-so-bright for Disney.

    I'm not so sure about that - the last 2 SW films have been utter turds (solo and TLJ) and declining returns - I doubt Solo made much money net of studio/advertising costs etc.

    A lot hangs on ep9 I think...


  • #190
    Keyzer
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    I could get over the weaknesses in TFA - its essentially a remake of EPIV, not very original but entertaining enough.

    TLJ was, in my opinion, one of the worst films I've ever seen. How Disney signed off on this pile of steaming turds is beyond me. Rian Johnson should have been sacked when he delivered his proposed (at the time) story to Disney. Absolute crap from start to finish.

    Hopefully they can salvage something from the last one, I'd expect it to be a massive improvement on the bag of crap that came before but that's not going to be hard anyways.

    Regardless, Disney will make a fortune and thats all they care about.


  • #191
    Tony EH
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    Dades wrote: »
    What galaxy are you in?

    https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Star-Wars#tab=summary

    Episode VII grossed more than the OT put together. Even Rogue One grossed more than The Phantom Menace. Episode IX will smash even more records and Disney will be selling more merchandise than they can make.

    Mistakes were made, like story choices in TLJ, or the timing of the release of Solo, but people still turned up.

    After TLJ, Abrams has a clean slate to move on. No more Snoke (Emperor) or Starkiller Base (Death Star) meaning we should see something original. His execution of TFA was flawless and the characters he introduced were loved by a new generation.

    The future is oh-so-bright for Disney.

    The real one.

    Over all, Disney may have made their money on the movies. But, TLJ had a massive second week drop off and Solo bombed spectacularly. Plus the merch is down two years in a row.

    It's not all roses, as the context reveals.

    And, into the bargain, everything's been taken off the table, except for the TV stuff and Disney now wants to "reset".

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-12/star-wars-movies-will-take-a-break-after-episode-ix-disney-says

    They haven't a clue what they're doing.


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  • #192
    Dades
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    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Keyzer wrote: »
    Rian Johnson should have been sacked when he delivered his proposed (at the time) story to Disney. Absolute crap from start to finish.
    I'd agree that someone should have pointed out that guts of the story was a daft, slow space chase. I really liked the peripheral stuff with Luke, Rey and KR though. It looked amazing, too.

    I do believe JJ will right the applecart in the big way.
    Keyzer wrote: »
    Regardless, Disney will make a fortune and thats all they care about.
    Is the best way to make money not to make great movies that sell a lot of seats and BB-8 electric toothbrushes?

    They're not trying to kill the franchise. They're guilty of giving us too much of it, maybe [Solo]. But they know the better the movie and the word of mouth the happier their shareholders are going to be ultimately.

    I feel people ragging on Disney's Star Wars have short memories!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLf1JO5bvE


  • #193
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Is Last Jedi a marmite film? Wow gee, this is the first I'm hearing of this.

    Do we really need another post mortem on Last Jedi? Clicked into this thinking there might be some news on Episode IX, instead get the usual dog-pile on Last Jedi. I can't think of a topic of film discussion more exhausted at this stage than the eagerness for folks to say, hey, Last Jedi gives you movie cancer, or something.

    Sorry, being ranty and tetchy here, but jayyyysus can we not move on a little? I see less hyperbole in discussions over Trump than The Last Jedi :D :rolleyes:


  • #194
    Dades
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    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Tony EH wrote: »
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-12/star-wars-movies-will-take-a-break-after-episode-ix-disney-says

    They haven't a clue what they're doing.
    That reads to me like they do have a clue?

    After EpIX, Disney are taking a hiatus from SW movies as they recognise the over-saturation of the brand. Seems like the right move, no?


  • #195
    johnny_ultimate
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    I’ve made my peace with the fact that people don’t like a film I absolutely adored and not a hope in hell I’m relitigating that. But I’m sorry: the continued suggestion that The Last Jedi was a *financial* flop or misfire is a mass delusion that ignores objective reality.


  • #196
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Dades wrote: »
    That reads to me like they do have a clue?

    After EpIX, Disney are taking a hiatus from SW movies as they recognise the over-saturation of the brand. Seems like the right move, no?

    Why would a company need to take a "hiatus" on something that's successful?

    The fact of the matter is that they had no plan for the sequel trilogy and they made a balls of it. 'Solo' then scared the crap out of them, because nobody thought it was a good idea and nobody went to see it. The merchandise sales are all down, two years in a row, including the all important toy sales which is where the biggest Star Wars turnover is.

    Disney have slammed the brakes on this train, because they don't really know what to do with it or how to proceed...hence...a "hiatus'.

    It's certainly the "right move", but only because of the monumental mess that Disney has made of the franchise so far.


  • #197
    Tony EH
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    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    I’ve made my peace with the fact that people don’t like a film I absolutely adored and not a hope in hell I’m relitigating that. But I’m sorry: the continued suggestion that The Last Jedi was a *financial* flop or misfire is a mass delusion that ignores objective reality.

    Nobody has said that.


  • #198
    Venom
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    Total flop and a financial loss for Disney
    Dades wrote: »
    That reads to me like they do have a clue?

    After EpIX, Disney are taking a hiatus from SW movies as they recognise the over-saturation of the brand. Seems like the right move, no?


    More of a desperation move due to having no alternatives nor any idea on how to win back the fanbase. If brand over-saturation is the real issue, how come the Marvel movies have pretty much gone from strength to strength over the last decade with the MCU having over 20 plus movies made and at least another 6 in development, yet fans are constantly looking forward to the next one.


  • #199
    Dades
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    Runaway hit highest gross beating The force Awakens
    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's certainly the "right move", but only because of the monumental mess that Disney has made of the franchise so far.
    Any quartet of films that grossed nearly 5 billion and included TFA and R1 (both exceptionally popular movies) could hardly be a monumental mess.

    I don't disagree that they've made some bad decisions, just your hyperbole.
    Venom wrote: »
    More of a desperation move due to having no alternatives nor any idea on how to win back the fanbase. If brand over-saturation is the real issue, how come the Marvel movies have pretty much gone from strength to strength over the last decade with the MCU having over 20 plus movies made and at least another 6 in development, yet fans are constantly looking forward to the next one.
    That is an unending mystery to me. With the exception of Ragnarok, I've been bored to tears with the Avengers. I hope the whole lot get dusted next month. :p


  • #200
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,549 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Dades wrote: »
    Any quartet of films that grossed nearly 5 billion and included TFA and R1 (both exceptionally popular movies) could hardly be a monumental mess.

    I don't disagree that they've made some bad decisions, just your hyperbole.

    Money is not an indication of quality. It never has been.

    In any case, even if we only look at the films, the essential trend is that the money accrued has been on a downward tick since 2015, culminating in pretty much a flatline for 'Solo'.

    The reaction to 'The Last Jedi' certainly disturbed Disney, but the dearth of audience for 'Solo' scared Disney so much, that they took everything off the table and retreated into their shell to try and figure out what to do. That's not an indication of success by any measure.

    And none of what I've said is "hyperbole".


  • #201
    Goodshape
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    Disappointing box office take less than a billion
    Venom wrote: »
    If brand over-saturation is the real issue, how come the Marvel movies have pretty much gone from strength to strength over the last decade with the MCU having over 20 plus movies made and at least another 6 in development, yet fans are constantly looking forward to the next one.

    The MCU has a huge and highly diverse 50+ years of stories and a multitude of characters to draw upon.

    Star Wars had 3 films.


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