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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,890 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    There is one I did not expect a big screen remake of 70's Emmanuelle film based on the same novel starring Noemie Merlant & Naomi Watts and directed by Audrey Diwan has finished filming and due to arrive next year at some stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    But when do we get the Emmanuelle in Space remake?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I've never understood how 'Emmanuelle' was/is even a thing. I saw the first one, donkey's years ago, and it was absolute trash. I've no doubt subsequent ones were even worse, especially the Laura Gemser movies.

    A remake of it is baffling to me too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Audrey Diwan's Happening is a fine film, and Merlant is a major performer, so I absolutely would not write it off at this stage. I would also imagine given the people involved and the preoccupations in many of their films, it is likely to be a more interesting, female-gaze take on the material.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If you thought Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey was objectionable, it's about to get even more interesting. On January 1st, Mickey Mouse will become public domain. You'd have to imagine there are already projects lined up - hopefully some decent ones and not just all exploitative rubbish.

    Steamboat Willy to be exact(?), so I believe later depictions of Mickey won't wash. Still, that's a pretty huge milestone reached and it's not like Mickey changed all that much across the years.

    Mickey and Minnie will enter the public domain on Jan. 1. From then on, Disney will no longer enjoy an exclusive copyright over the earliest versions of the characters. Underground cartoonists, filmmakers, novelists, songwriters — whoever — will be free to do what they want with them.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    If that's going to be in the public domain, would that mean Oswald is already public domain?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Seemingly so, only this year. Can't imagine too many people are as stoked about Oswald as Mickey tho'

    In January 2023 the copyrights on several of the original Oswald shorts, as well as the character, expired. Those movies and the character are now in the public domain.[10]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I have read online recently that the BBFC have prevented the sale of the 4K Edition of James Cameron's The Abyss in the UK because they wanted the scene of the rats going down the sewer to be cut from the film. James Cameron subsequently refused their reasons to cut it out of the film. This decision means that if you want to buy the 4K Blu-ray of The Abyss in future; you will have to import it from another country instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's being denied a release because of an old 1930's UK law prohibiting the display of cruelty to animals.

    The scene in question is where a guy puts another guy's pet rat in some breathable liquid to show that oxygenated fluid works. But the rat is clearly in some distress. You can see the scene on YouTube and it's intact on various DVD and Blu Ray releases.

    All a bit of a silly storm in a teacup, really, considering the rat has probably been dead for about 30 years at this stage.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Plus, what that rat went through was only marginally worse than what the humans themselves endured during the shoot for The Abyss. That whole production sounded like a waking nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Aye, but the humans signed a contract and got paid handsomely. Poor old ratty had no say whatsoever.

    TBH, I've seen worse animal cruelty. The director of exploitative trash 'Men Behind the Sun' decided to set hundreds of rats on fire for real and then film them running about in terror while they burnt to death. That has an 18 cert for the UK release.

    Likewise, 'Cannibal Holocaust', notorious for its scenes of animal cruelty was given a pass, too, fairly recently because the animals had "quick deaths".

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    I once read that over 100 horses were killed during filming for the original Ben Hur. It's nearly a century old, but still, that's horrific!

    In terms of modern films, Old Boy's octopus scene is one that sticks with me. Apparently Chan-Wook wasn't happy until the 7th take either...

    I've never watched Cannibal Holocaust for the reason Tony mentions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Strangely enough, 'Old Boy' passed uncut in the UK because the octopus was an invertebrate and wasn't covered by UK laws about animal cruelty on film.

    'Cannibal Holocaust' is an interesting movie though. It's more a comment on the shameless levels mondo movie makers used to go to when making their own exploitation films, which they subsequently passed off as "documentaries". It's not really the film most people think it is. It's not an innocent movie by any means either, though, and the scenes of animal slaughter are gratuitous to say the least, even if the crew say that they ate the animals they slaughtered. It's a strange, disturbing, film. But not one that's entirely without some merit.

    'Cannibal Ferox'...now that's just real trash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Yeah, I remember that point about invertebrates. There's a growing movement to get the laws changed as cephalopods in particular pass many of the tests that demonstrate higher levels of intelligence.

    I might give HH a go at that rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeah, octopi apparently have very good short and long term memories and are quite intelligent. They'll use objects as weapons against attack and for camouflage for instance, and they can navigate complex mazes too. There was a program on a while ago about an octopus and her keeper and she "knew" who he was and was comfortable around him. But she would only touch him and not go near other people. It was remarkable. If she was distressed, she'd go over to him and hug onto his arm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,890 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Still big money being made in cinemas

    Global Box Office Reaches $33.9B In 2023, Up 31% On 2022 – Analysts


    Global box office is estimated to have reached $33.9B for 2023, a 30.5% gain on 2022, according to Gower Street Analytics. While this represents continuing worldwide recovery, the figure remains 15% behind the average of the last three pre-pandemic years (2017-2019). Gower Street also recently estimated that, due in part to this year’s strike-impacted release calendar, 2024 is projected to drop to $31.5 billion, which, given today’s revised estimate for last year, would come in at 7% below 2023. 

    North America remained the top global market in 2023 with an estimated $9.07B, up 21% year-on-year, but still 21% behind the 2017-2019 average. It accounted for 26.8% of the worldwide result, down from 28.9% in 2022.......





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,522 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The Golden Globes host was terrible, I didn't know him but apparently he is a comedian from Chelsea Handler show

    Bring back Ricky Gervais who I see won a GG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,890 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Got to keep those profits coming in especially after blowing billions on Prime video series & Films.


    Amazon fired hundreds of staff across Prime video & MGM

    Amazon is to axe hundreds of staff across its subsidiaries Twitch, Prime Video and MGM studios.

    More than 500 Twitch employees - a third of the streamer's workforce - will be laid off, according to a note from chief executive Dan Clancy.

    Amazon said several hundred employees at Prime Video and film studio MGM will also lose their jobs this week.

    The tech giant laid off more than 27,000 staff members in 2023 despite bumper profits.

    Twitch was initially set up for gamers to watch and share video gameplay online. It was bought by Amazon in 2014 for $970m (£585m at the time).

    In an email to employees, Mr Clancy said he was taking the "painful step to reduce our headcount" to "build a more sustainable business".

    He added that the company paid out $1bn to streamers in 2023, but had "conservative predictions of how we expect to grow in the future."

    Amazon made $9.9bn profit in July to September, according to its most recent earnings report. That was up from $2.9bn in the same period in 2022.

    In an email sent to staff at Prime Video and Amazon MGM Studios, senior vice president of the department Mike Hopkins wrote: "We've identified opportunities to reduce or discontinue investments in certain areas while increasing our investments and focus on content and product initiatives that deliver the most impact."

    Mr Hopkins added that it was a "difficult decision to make".

    The email indicated that job losses affect staff in the US and around the world.

    Amazon bought the hundred-year-old MGM Studios for $8.45bn in 2021.

    In December, it announced it would start putting adverts on Prime Video from 5 February 2024.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    According to THR, a sequel (or maybe a series of sequels) to 28 Days/Weeks Later is in the works, and Danny Boyle and Alex Garland are on board.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Years part I think is just speculation but you do wonder: these weren't traditional zombies 'cos the "simple" fix is to wait for the infected to starve to death; and the sheer pace of infection probably meant while all of Europa-Asia was infected, America was fine. Not like they can't just write something up - obviously if they have 3 films planned there's something afoot.

    I have to say, the "fast zombie" is fairly common now but I'd argue they have never been scarier than in those 2 films; Boyle & Fresnadillo really nailed the frenetic, whirling terror of something simply pelting itself at you. Train to Busan kinda came close - but also lost points for going a bit OTT at times as well. Plus that film was really guilty of some rubber-banding with how close they got to the characters; the "28" films never cheated that way.

    Plus the fact 28 Day Later looks like it was filmed on someone Nokia, all 480p glory, only adds to the horror IMO. Bit like how stuff on a VHS just feels naturally more scary - as does low-fi Digital film.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    looks like some studious getting their bad news out early in the year , you would have to reckon that Pixar and Disney Animation studios will merge? its an obvious cost saving move




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,226 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Are dubs more popular in other countries than subtitles? Sometimes films will have an alternate audio track in Italian or Russian or Hindi or whatever, and the voices often just boom over everything including the sound effects and music, like "ДАВНЫМ ВРЕМЯ В ДАЛЕКОЙ-ДАЛЕКОЙ ГАЛАКТИКЕ..."

    If I heard an English dub of a foreign film like that, it would take me completely out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,988 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, I think dubs are definitely more common in some non-English markets - a big part of that being the sheer volume of big mass-market English language movies. Funnily enough, there were always voice actors in the likes of Germany and France who specialized in certain English language actors - like, someone would be the German Eddie Murphy for instance, doing the voices for all Eddie Murphy movies. Interesting niche career option! Increasingly I think the trend is shifting towards subtitles over dubs though.

    Think there's a fair few unofficial audio tracks floating around for movies too, which are always a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,890 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Jonathan Majors has now been fired from the Dennis Rodman biopic movie 48 Hours In Vegas where he was due to play Dennis Rodman.


    Bad boy film actor to much of a bad boy to play bad boy basketball player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I do like the idea of being able to hear dialogue over loud music. Maybe they should try that with the original English language as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,522 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    David O. Russell is to direct a Linda Ronstadt biopic starring Selena Gomez



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    For a long time I thought if they ever made a Linda Rondstadt biopic Gomez would be perfect to play her, looks wise. I think they missed the boat by a few years in that respect though. And also David O Russell is at best, a **** director, at worst, a **** human being. I feel like Ronstadt deserves better than whatever this will be.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm still a bit shocked O Russell still gets work because by all accounts he's supposed to a really horrible person to work with? Given that kinda behaviour is being slowly rooted out, it's weird top tier actors still work with him...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,511 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Took me a while to remember which film this tune is linked to. Enjoy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,890 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Wow

    Alec Baldwin Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter Again In ‘Rust’ Fatal Shooting; “Look Forward To Our Day In Court,” Actor’s Lawyers Say






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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    More Jurassic japes on the way. Such a boring franchise, surely the only way is up (he says, in denial)?




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm not even sure how you reboot this franchise without it just being a shallow clone (which would be apt) of the 1993 film - but presumably Koepp has some vaguely interesting idea 'cos can't imagine he'd be that interested in rewriting what was blockbuster perfection the first time around. Trying to think what societal or scientific changes we've seen since 1993 you could introduce to the premise.

    Seems like a "fresh" idea would be to shift genre entirely - maybe go properly down the horror route, or indeed fully embrace the near-grindhouse insanity of Fallen Kingdom's dinosaurs-as-WMDs; but if it's just another tentpole, 4 Quadrant blockbuster that must make 1 billion global? Porridge awaits. And unfortunately, the latter seems more likely at this point.

    At least the overall dreadful "World" films are being junked - sometimes the worst things make the most money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,988 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    The fact they're keeping the 'World' brand going for this one makes me think it's a shift in perspective rather than a reboot. There's definitely a lot of interesting things you can do with just accepting you live in a world full of dinosaurs, and seeing what that's like for a group of people who had nothing to do with any of it - don't worry about the causes or solutions of it, just look at from a family's experience of how their life has changed now that there's a rake of velociraptors and pterodactyls to worry about on the school run. Or a small isolated town dealing with a herd of something-or-other coming in, like Tremors. Go back to having a story about people, in which dinosaurs are thrown in as a complication.

    Another version could be like Gareth Edwards Monsters, with a rescue mission in dinosaur country - but that's kind of already been done with Jurassic Park 3, so exploring the 'normal' world of it seems more interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Jurassic whatever just needs to die. There was one great movie thirty years and they'll never top it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Maybe it was mentioned here before and I forgot but today I found out there's a live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon happening

    I guess the main question is Why?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Yeah, I knew that was happening but I think I blocked it out of my mind. HTTyD is honestly one of my favourite films. It's so good and definitely does not need a live action remake. I really wish studios would stop treating animation like it's something less than live action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Maybe I blocked it as well. It is a great movie.

    I think Jungle Book and 101 Dalmatians are the only live action remakes I've seen.

    What other non Disney animated movies were remade in live action or will this be the first?

    I know we have series like The Last Airbender but movie to movie seems more pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    This video may warrant it's own thread after I make this post.

    However the point of this video is meant to say that corporations or streamers who create art for the mass enjoyment of the world should not be able to take it away from us as they see fit. It is a thundering disgrace that streaming services are allowed to get away with not releasing lots of their own content to buy and own when the rest of us actually want to enjoy it in our own time without the whims of them saying no right in front of us.

    If you want to buy a movie or a TV series. Get it on DVD, Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray.

    Streaming Services can go kiss my a**. Rant over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Put your pirate hat on and set sail.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Unless a film is less than 40 years old, or especially famous, there's almost zero chance of getting veritable classics on digital streaming. They simply don't exist unless you pay over the odds for physical. Or indeed, take to the seas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's an unfortunate set of circumstances that these streaming services have set their model on the idea that most people don't want to see a movie that was made before 1980. Thing is, they're probably right in most cases. I've lost track of how many times I've recommended a good movie to someone and they're never even heard of it because it was made before they were born or it wasn't something that made massive money and has been in constant circulation.

    In any case I hope that the likes of Bluray stays around for a long time to come. But I have absolutely no problem torrenting something that I can't get either through a streamer or on physical. There are some films out there that you can only get by hitting the high seas.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I'm less interested in physical media in terms of owning recent releases and perennial classics (though that has its place, especially for films unavailable digitally), and more in terms of it filling in the gaps that streaming services and past releases haven't haven't. I've said it before, but the sheer breadth of cinema the boutique labels are releasing at the moment is incredible. Radiance Films launched in the last year or so and their selection of titles has been exquisite - almost all really interesting deep cuts, presented with care and thorough context.

    If a film isn't available though, I've zero problem with people finding it whatever way they can - plenty of neglected classics and oddities that would be all but unseeable otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The boutique labels are a godsend, especially if you're into genre movies and trash which you'll never see on any streaming service. Some of their asking prices are eye watering though. Some 4K releases are absolute madness. Luckily I don't give a toss about 4K. 1080p will do me just fine.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Outside of some of the box sets, Criterion is the only one I find pretty expensive for standard releases. But yeah I’d rarely buy the 4K ones unless the price difference was minor. Even on a good OLED TV I think the gap in quality between 4K and 1080p isn’t game-changing enough to justify paying the prices they often go for - especially for older, non-digital films (there’s certainly a quality boost… just not a total night and day different like DVD to BR). Generally not interested in ‘tat’ either, like posters or postcards or extravagant cases - a disc and a well-written booklet with some nice context / analysis is more than enough for me.

    I do appreciate Arrow having their releases on iTunes etc at very cheap prices though - while I’ll still pick up some of their physical releases, I’m also happy to pay four quid for a good quality copy of something I wouldn’t splash out €15-20 for on a disc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I rip most of my blus anyway, so getting an iTunes copy is fine for me too. But I'm also a bit of a sucker for extras and if there's a film I know I'll be watching a number of times before I snuff it, I'll opt for the Blu ray. Mind you, these days most of the "making of's" that you'll find on physical media end up on YouTube, who don't seem to be too worried about copyright infringement on such material. Also, I find that director's (or whoever) commentaries aren't what they used to be. I think that the last truly entertaining commentary track that I heard was on Arrow's release of 'C.H.U.D'. But yeah, I couldn't give a toss about steelbooks or postcards and any of that junk either and I'm way too old to be sticking posters up on the wall. I don't think the Mrs. would be too happy about that as well. 😄



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Not big into commentaries myself, but always appreciate a film essay or documentary accompanying the film. A lot of the stuff I buy these days would be deep cut Japanese films, and it’s always great to hear a Tom Mes or Tony Rayns type pop up and put the film / filmmakers into context.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I blow hot and cold on Nerdwriter1, but was a really fascinating little dive into the French film industry, and specifically the public entity that effectively bankrolls and promotes French film. The numbers in the video in terms of what the CNC (basically the French film board) takes in as income are insane, especially compared with America's own arts' institutes.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,731 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The problem in the US is that there's effectively no unified arts funding for film akin to what you'd get in Europe or pretty much anywhere else in the world. AFAIK (I'm not an expert) there's a limited amount of public funding put fowards the likes of PBS and The National Endowment of the Arts, but that would almost be entirely in the documentary realm. There's some philanthropic and non-profit funding - e.g. the Sundance Institute - but it'd pale in comparison to the rest of the world, and philanthropy is a world away from actual State funding. Hence why there are so many stories of independent filmmakers funding their projects through friends, families and investors - there's not really much support at all outside of the commercial space, although film is hardly the only US creative enterprise that falls victim to this. Indeed, ceding entirely to 'market forces' could be considered the original sin of modern America.

    While there are fair criticisms to be levelled at some of the approaches taken elsewhere - in terms of projects funded and distribution - it can't be denied that the art of film is much better supported at a State-level elsewhere in the world: Ireland and the UK included, and perhaps France's rich cinematic history is the classic example of cinema as art as opposed to commercial enterprise (though France is certainly not exempt to mainstream industry, and there are very good reasons why many of the most commercially successful films from there don't go beyond their borders). The EU also has had a vital role to play in funding the full variety of European cinema.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭p to the e


    Gina Carano is suing LucasFilm and Disney after having been fired over Twitter comments. And to make things even spicier, it's being funded by everyone's favourite real life Bond Villain, Elon Musk. I wonder will the mouse house settle to avoid any publicity.

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/06/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,988 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    They might not mind the publicity in that case, since they were on the good side of public opinion.

    Hard to see she’ll have much of a case though… having hateful opinions about gay/trans people and believing conspiracies about covid and election fraud is one thing, but intentionally broadcasting those things on the largest platform they have to the direct detriment of their employer/show is another - and then refusing to engage in any of the bits of education/information the company provided as well. I’d guess the Disney lawyers have their contractual language fairly tight.

    (And of course it’s never been rare for unpopular people and characters - as she caused herself to be - to get written off.)

    Interesting one to keep an eye on though!



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