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"Major space policy speech."

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beeker


    lord lucan wrote: »
    Aldrin in the paper again today:http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-15-column15_ST2_N.htm

    At least he admits the STS programme should continue until a succesor is developed.
    :DBuzz "ynotdu" Aldrin:D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Kevster wrote: »
    Bugger, I'll be at the gym then. I doubt they'll put it on the TVs there either.

    Jez Kev , the Gym more important than NASA , we will have to set Beeker on ya hehe :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    lord lucan wrote: »
    Air Force 1 just touched down at KSC. Assuming they've used the SLF runway.

    I saw the landing of Air Force one.No Grassy knolls at KSC is there???Assuming He has nothing new to add to what he said in January i fear for his safety:eek:

    This is a short video of The future of NASA part one,Eugene Cernan{last man on Moon} and about 150 seconds in Aldrins response to Obama's Policy decisions as it was breaking,as You can see Cernan not Aldrins biggest fan!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Beeker wrote: »
    :DBuzz "ynotdu" Aldrin:D

    LMFAO as they say at that Beeker:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Stargate wrote: »
    Jez Kev , the Gym more important than NASA , we will have to set Beeker on ya hehe :D

    Arghhhhh SG perish the Thougt,Beeker is DANGEROUS if STS is Criticised:D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beeker


    ynotdu wrote: »
    Beeker wrote: »
    :DBuzz "ynotdu" Aldrin:D

    LMFAO as they say at that Beeker:D
    :D:D:D:p:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Beeker wrote: »
    :DBuzz "ynotdu" Aldrin:D

    LMFAO as they say at that Beeker:D

    Buzz " ynotdu the count " Aldrin :rolleyes:;):):p:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    One former Apollo Astronaut.........AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    the-count2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    lord lucan wrote: »
    One former Apollo Astronaut.........AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    the-count2.jpg

    Ha Ha Ha , or should that be A A A A A A LOL :):D:p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,385 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    nasatv coverage started


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beeker


    nasatv coverage started
    Well as expected....no good news:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,385 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Beeker wrote: »
    Well as expected....no good news:mad:

    congrats on post 1000

    like he said decision to finish with the shuttle was made a good few years ago

    will be interesting to see how quick orion becomes a usable vehicle


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Beeker wrote: »
    Well as expected....no good news:mad:

    Well as SG had being saying he expected a carrot.

    Orion to be continued "to ensure our people on the ISS do not have to depend on a foreign power"

    erm What Launch vehicle will Orion arriave to the ISS on MR President?

    The heavy launch vechicle and Orion will no doubt be fully flight ready this time next month!

    Interesting that the only former Astronauts there were Charlie{I'm all right Jack} Bolden and Buzz Aldrin;)

    History may well look back on the plans with favour?

    But meanwhile it's twenty years of thumb twiddling for American manned spaceflight lovers.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beeker


    ynotdu wrote: »
    Well as SG had being saying he expected a carrot.

    Orion to be continued "to ensure our people on the ISS do not have to depend on a foreign power"

    erm What Launch vehicle will Orion arriave to the ISS on MR President?

    The heavy launch vechicle and Orion will no doubt be fully flight ready this time next month!

    Interesting that the only former Astronauts there were Charlie{I'm all right Jack} Bolden and Buzz Aldrin;)

    History may well look back on the plans with favour?

    But meanwhile it's twenty years of thumb twiddling for American manned spaceflight lovers.
    Yeah! sad day:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    A great big load of bollox!:(:(:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Beeker wrote: »
    Well as expected....no good news:mad:

    A crock of Sh!te comes to mind :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    This post from a guy on the NASASpaceflight forums sums it up well imo.

    JFK "We choose to go to the moon!"

    BHO "We choose to uh, build an escape pod."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    ynotdu wrote: »
    Well as SG had being saying he expected a carrot.

    Orion to be continued "to ensure our people on the ISS do not have to depend on a foreign power"

    erm What Launch vehicle will Orion arriave to the ISS on MR President?

    The heavy launch vechicle and Orion will no doubt be fully flight ready this time next month!

    Interesting that the only former Astronauts there were Charlie{I'm all right Jack} Bolden and Buzz Aldrin;)

    History may well look back on the plans with favour?

    But meanwhile it's twenty years of thumb twiddling for American manned spaceflight lovers.

    To be Honest thats a very good assessment , for me personally as a SPACE fan , its a sad day , Thanks Mr Pres :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    lord lucan wrote: »
    A great big load of bollox!:(:(:(

    You said it Leo !!!!!

    Not many will know the emotion held within those few words !!!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beeker


    Short sighted idiots!:mad:
    May our decendents look back and forgive our generation for delaying the inevitable.
    As the great Carl Sagan once said " The sky calls to us, if we do not destroy ourselves we will one day venture to the stars".

    Somehow I feel that this decision has pushed that day further into the future.:(

    Beeker depressed....sulks off to drink some beer:(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    lord lucan wrote: »
    This post from a guy on the NASASpaceflight forums sums it up well imo.

    JFK "We choose to go to the moon!"

    BHO "We choose to uh, build an escape pod."

    It Speaks the truth LL!

    No escaping that!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Even the backdrop for his speech was bland , a stairwell , i turned it off , i couldnt listen to the gibberish :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Beeker wrote: »
    Short sighted idiots!:mad:
    May our decendents look back and forgive our generation for delaying the inevitable.
    As the great Carl Sagan once said " The sky calls to us, if we do not destroy ourselves we will one day venture to the stars".

    Somehow I feel that this decision has pushed that day further into the future.:(

    Beeker depressed....sulks off to drink some beer:(

    Beer is the only solution for us ALL:(

    As the Great Lord Lucan once said: "What a load of Bollox"!:)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beeker


    ynotdu wrote: »
    Beer is the only solution for us ALL:(

    As the Great Lord Lucan once said: "What a load of Bollox"!:)

    :D:D:D:D A wise man our LL:D:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Beeker wrote: »
    Short sighted idiots!:mad:
    May our decendents look back and forgive our generation for delaying the inevitable.
    As the great Carl Sagan once said " The sky calls to us, if we do not destroy ourselves we will one day venture to the stars".

    Somehow I feel that this decision has pushed that day further into the future.:(

    Beeker depressed....sulks off to drink some beer:(

    AGREED ..................> Stargate`s with ya on this one Beeky :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Beeker wrote: »
    :D:D:D:D A wise man our LL:D:D:D:D

    Lol! We have to laugh or We will cry!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Nice bottle of Millers in hand , a toast to Obama and the end of our beloved Shuttle :eek::mad::(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    ....and Leo , if you post later LOCKED i wont even rip ya about it .......Promise !!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    ynotdu wrote: »
    Lol! We have to laugh or We will cry!:)

    While i wasn't expecting anything different it was still dreadful to hear it from the horses mouth. Dressed up for a public who don't know much about spaceflight,it'll make good soundbites in the papers tomorrow. HLV,Orion,Mars etc. sound good for general consumption.

    Sadly i think i've seen the last great Space adventures in my lifetime. A fly-by of Mars isn't wholly exciting given we've seen 2 great rovers beam back brilliant pictures from the Martian surface already.

    I'm off to get some beer and a black armband.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Stargate wrote: »
    ....and Leo , if you post later LOCKED i wont even rip ya about it .......Promise !!;)

    I'll put the laptop away later or i may be banned from Boards if i start posting while hammered again!:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Stargate wrote: »
    Nice bottle of Millers in hand , a toast to Obama and the end of our beloved Shuttle :eek::mad::(

    A toast to the Idiotic Bush jnr who made the 'big speech' about Constellation after loss of Columbia...................He just 'forgot' to fund it!!! the Prick!:mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭calabi yau


    It's very disappointing news indeed. I would love to see man walk on mars in my lifetime.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    lord lucan wrote: »
    While i wasn't expecting anything different it was still dreadful to hear it from the horses mouth. Dressed up for a public who don't know much about spaceflight,it'll make good soundbites in the papers tomorrow. HLV,Orion,Mars etc. sound good for general consumption.

    Sadly i think i've seen the last great Space adventures in my lifetime. A fly-by of Mars isn't wholly exciting given we've seen 2 great rovers beam back brilliant pictures from the Martian surface already.

    I'm off to get some beer and a black armband.:(

    as well as the black armband i believe a White Souvenier flag of surrender is available from Bolden.Com;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    ynotdu wrote: »
    as well as the black armband i believe a White Souvenier flag of surrender is available from Bolden.Com;)

    haha Bolden.Com :D i think Obama had Bolden by the short and curlys if you ask me :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Stargate wrote: »
    haha Bolden.Com :D i think Obama had Bolden by the short and curlys if you ask me :rolleyes:

    I think Bolden still has a high profile job,proably a Hugh pension as well as brown envelopes from private contractors coming his way!

    People can only be held by the 'short&Curlies if they choose to!

    He is a Traitor to the Astronaut corp and the etho's that was NASA. IMO:mad:

    Me not like him,I thought he 'might' have been 'hanging' in there because Obama was playing games to get the votes of Senators&Congressmen for the health care bill and he knew something that We did not know,but after the speech NO! He is just 'looking after number one' fcuk him:mad:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    From the BBC news reports of that speach, I'm rather disappointed at the low-hanging/easily cancelled set goals but not suprised given the economic situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Manach wrote: »
    From the BBC news reports of that speach, I'm rather disappointed at the low-hanging/easily cancelled set goals but not suprised given the economic situation.

    Hi Manach:). The thing is that Money spent on Manned Spaceflight has always been MORE than paid back by new technology developed&Patented,and in one fluke case an Apollo Astronaut took photo's that Geoligists realised the land was Rich in Minerals and fuel.

    It is a false economy to scale it down.Obama is a very clever guy,makes it all the more surprising that he has chosen to long finger it all.:confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭BULLER


    lord lucan wrote: »
    This post from a guy on the NASASpaceflight forums sums it up well imo.

    JFK "We choose to go to the moon!"

    BHO "We choose to uh, build an escape pod."

    I believe this view is slightly more apt:

    JFK: "We will go to the moon by the time this decade is up"

    Bush: "We will go back to the moon and then somehow will be able to go to Mars"

    Obama: "We've been to the moon, lets develop emerging technologies that will allow us to go explore solar system"


    Beeker wrote: »
    Short sighted idiots!:mad:
    May our decendents look back and forgive our generation for delaying the inevitable.
    As the great Carl Sagan once said " The sky calls to us, if we do not destroy ourselves we will one day venture to the stars".

    Somehow I feel that this decision has pushed that day further into the future.:(

    Beeker depressed....sulks off to drink some beer:(

    Like many here I was initially opposed to this. When I saw the details the choice was obvious. For only a few years of having to rely on Soyuz for trips to the ISS, the US will be able to maintain leadership in space.

    This is probably the best decision for spaceflight since JFK's inspirational speech. We might actually get to see humans on astroids and mars now. Did anyone actually think for a second chemical rockets could take us beyond earths orbit?! They simply dont have the specific impulse necessary, thus making them ridiculously impractable. Massive quanities of fuel would be required to get anywhere other than the moon, making them an incredibly expensive, slow and unfeasible method of propulsion.

    Finally, since Apollo, NASA will start investing in NEW technologies to get to new places. Constallation/chemical rocketery was never bringing manned spaceflight anywhere other than the moon. It was going to be using technology that was 50 years old. The goal is to open the entire solar system up to fast and affordable manned spaceflight, not simply go back to the moon for a few expensive trips. New space optimised propulsion like multiwatt ion engines that are very fast, amazing specific impulses and other "game-changing technologies" as such, are clearly the way forward. VASIMR also solves the radiation problems associated with manned interplanetary travel. For it a space capable nuclear reactor needs to be developed. Bigalow Transhubs will provide for much greater living space aswell as stronger hulls. Fuel depots are obvious. These and many other technologies are only awaiting proper funding which this plan will provide. Lifting the burden of having to fund and launch rockets to LEO off NASA and onto commersial companies will not only free up a lot of time and funds for NASA to focus on new propulsion technologies, but also eventually make getting into space more affordable.

    Constallation was implemented by that idiot bush with no real thought behind it, like most of his decisions. It was heavily underfunded, a date of 2020 was never achievable with out spending huge sums. We will without a doubt get to Mars(and the whole solar system) faster this way.
    Its worth noting that NASA has pointed out that a new heavy lift rocket employing newer technologies will actually be developed faster under Obama's plan than Bush's constallation disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭InvisibleBadger


    I don't understand the mourning for constellation, this new plan has more potential and is more achievable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    I don't understand the mourning for constellation, this new plan has more potential and is more achievable.

    Hi Invisable,It is NOT mourning for Consellation,it is mourning for the start stop,start stop,since America first chose to explore Space.

    If it was not for programmes being changed by diffrient administrations for spurious reasons,and funding always been in short supply{The real short-sightedness}All that is only asperational now would most likely be a reality by now,or much closer than it is.}

    NASA at the mercy of popular misconceptions about the cost of the space programme,and the mercy of a political football}

    It is NOT nasa or its workers who have let America down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Bye bye NASA,{note the grin on the face of the CEO of a private contractor sure to get a piece of the cake!:p}
    444668main_obama-ksc-arrival_946-710.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    ynotdu wrote: »
    Bye bye NASA,{note the grin on the face of the CEO of a private contractor sure to get a piece of the cake!:p}
    444668main_obama-ksc-arrival_946-710.jpg

    He`ll get a piece of something ynotdu :D and i hope its long and hard ;):eek:

    Now lads i mean a size 9 ......> shoe that is


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭BULLER


    http://www.space.com/news/past-presidents-cosmic-visions-100416.html
    Time for a new hope
    President George W. Bush followed up on his father's space plans by announcing yet another broad plan to return humans to the moon, and then head for Mars. Some scientists criticized the plan as an underfunded effort, while Mars advocates saw the return to the moon as a dead-end detour.

    NASA's Constellation Program to return humans to the moon grew out of the second President Bush's plan, until President Obama replaced it this year with his own vision. Launius sees the new plan as a possible game changer -- but only if the president can pull it off.
    "This is what they did with Apollo, too: the leapfrog approach," Launius said. Just as Kennedy's vision pushed NASA to move quickly beyond low Earth orbit to the moon, so Obama's vision might skip the lunar return trip and head directly for the asteroids and Mars.
    Obama's plan also represents the first serious move to put low Earth orbit activities in the hands of commercial spaceflight providers, and ideally frees NASA to look beyond and resume space exploration.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Hi Buller, what You have pasted is just more of the same We have been spun when any new plan was announced.

    Question is how long will it be the plan???
    and what way will the next administration change the plan or just rip it up???:)

    i should add that many many people with far more experiance than You or Me see almost no sense to Barack's Space plans.

    He Was Clearly stung by the criticism He received since it was first announced when the budget was sent to Congress in early February.

    He has chosen an incoherant plan IMO,and no amount of 'spinning' will change that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    lord lucan wrote: »
    This post from a guy on the NASASpaceflight forums sums it up well imo.

    JFK "We choose to go to the moon!"

    BHO "We choose to uh, build an escape pod."

    as a very wise Irishman once told a tourist looking for directions to a destination: "Well now to be honest Sir,If I were You I would not start from here"

    Orion's first complete test of its escape tower completed last Thursday.
    only have to wait for the launch vechicle and Orion to be built any day now!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    He has lost the high respect he once had from just about everyone who admired him in NASA and all it stood for.

    The destruction of NASA which he seems to be in favour of to an irrational extent to a logical mind stinks of corruption,self interest and being far too co-operative to the Obama Administration,Private sector interests,and plain bizzare for a guy who when he flew shuttle flights could never be accused of cowardice.

    He became a coward and corrupt the day he defended the Augustine report on the future of NASA,and when he accepted President Obama's choice to leave the USA Manned Spaceflight programme unmanned.

    This of course is My own personal opinion,but as We know if something smells like a ? walks like a ? and talks like a ?, It usualy is a ?.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-nasa-administrator-scandal-20100620,0,4126603.story

    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22062.0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭r0n0c


    Right take 2(laptops fault bloody battery)
    NASA has always been a political football (IMHO)
    The major advancements in space exploration have been from both the US and the USSR. Both trying to send objects/dogs/monkeys/men into orbit. First it was orbit,then the Moon. Now because the US has no major political/ideoligiocal adversary the US has done sweet feck all. yea the british put Beagle on Mars. The thing is its going to take something major to kick the American space programme back into gear. Hell the Russian right now are running an experiment to examine the effects of a long haul journey to mars. Its more than the Americans are doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    r0n0c wrote: »
    .yea the british put Beagle on Mars.

    Well the English think they put it on Mars,unfortunatly once it seperated from the Motheship it was hitching a ride on there was no sign of BEEDLEerm Beagle about{I did feel sorry for the 'nutty professor' behind the project though even though it was hard not to laugh:)}

    Not quite as bad as the joint venture between NASA and ESA to land two crafts on Mars that failed because they entered the Martian Atmosphere at the wrong angle.
    after investigation it turned out Europe was using millimetres and America inchs!:o:o:)

    I know the mars orbiters photographed the area it is thought Beagle landed,but i don't know if they found it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    ynotdu wrote: »
    He has lost the high respect he once had from just about everyone who admired him in NASA and all it stood for.

    The destruction of NASA which he seems to be in favour of to an irrational extent to a logical mind stinks of corruption,self interest and being far too co-operative to the Obama Administration,Private sector interests,and plain bizzare for a guy who when he flew shuttle flights could never be accused of cowardice.

    He became a coward and corrupt the day he defended the Augustine report on the future of NASA,and when he accepted President Obama's choice to leave the USA Manned Spaceflight programme unmanned.

    This of course is My own personal opinion,but as We know if something smells like a ? walks like a ? and talks like a ?, It usualy is a ?.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-nasa-administrator-scandal-20100620,0,4126603.story

    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22062.0

    with rumours abound that senior members of Obama's administration are unhappy with Bolden he has backed down on the invocation of a never used clause in NASA contracts.
    It is thought he invoked the clause because there is a bill before Congress demanding that the dismantlement of Constellation be stopped.
    It means jobs guaranteed until end of September for many.

    Difficult to see where this is all going,or even if it is Bolden or Obama who is pulling the strings:confused:
    even John Glenn has come out against the whole mess Augustine Obama and Bolden have served up

    http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/atk_atk-nasa-releases-funds-ares-rocket-work-may-continue-through-at-least-september-1006116.html

    and here a short extract from Glenns Statement:

    John Glenn issues statement regarding NASA manned space flight

    Posted on | June 21, 2010 | 867 views |
    Statement from U.S. Sen. John Glenn (ret),
    former astronaut, first American to orbit the earth,
    adjunct professor of political science and public affairs,
    and namesake of The Ohio State University John Glenn School of Public Affairs

    June 17, 2010
    These are critical days for the future of Manned Space Flight. johnglenn-4c-216x270.jpgConflicting views and advice come to the President and Congress from every quarter in the aerospace and science communities. There is good reason for the concern.
    The U.S. for the first time since the beginning of the Space Age will have no way to launch anyone into space - starting next January.
    Our astronauts will have to be launched in Russian spacecraft, from a Russian base in Kazakhstan, to go to our International Space Station.
    Starting at the end of this year, and probably for the next five to ten years, the launches of U.S. astronauts into space will be viewed in classrooms and homes in America only through the courtesy of Russian TV.
    For the “world’s greatest spacefaring nation,” that is hard to accept.
    I do not believe it has to be this way.

    Russian Failure And what happens if there is a failure of the usually reliable Soyuz? Just a couple of years ago, they had two reentry mishaps that took them over normal G limits and some 400 miles from their intended landing point. A grounded Soyuz would leave us with no access to the ISS. I presume the crew on board would have to come down by the so-called “lifeboat” Soyuz currently docked at the ISS. With no access, could the station even be abandoned, eventually to reenter the atmosphere in uncontrolled pieces, landing wherever?


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