"Metal" at the O2 Point

ShawnRaven · 12-02-2009 5:36pm

jim o doom wrote: »

lol!! inadvertantly? I was waiting backstage with a tub of vaseline and a smile /joking (or am i)

Breakin' da rim, breakin' da ri... oh wait... BREAKIN' DA LAW... BREAKIN' DA LAWWWWWW!!!

Patricide · 12-02-2009 5:48pm

jim o doom wrote: »

Machine head's first album is the only one I love - after that it was the odd song here and there and that's it.. but damn I love that first album..

The security stopping moshing is so pointless, I've been to some pretty mental moshpits (the maddest being Napalm Death in the red box a good few years back) - and it's fairly rare someone gets injured, as far as I've seen.

Compare that to the potential injury from a chokehold, incorrectly applied or even worse the fight between bouncer(s) & some guys mates who they have stupidly picked on..

Truth be told, If a bouncer had a mate of mine in any sort hold (especially due to it being both wrong and illegal), I'd tell him to let go & if he didn't then I am sure me and my backup of loads of tall mates (I'm only 5 ft 8 but im heavy haha) would be having some choice words..

It was actally funny for one of the pits during testement they stepped in to try to calm things down. However the bigger guys in there had no intention of stopping moshing, one of the security got knocked flat on his back and was spun around on the floor. I didnt see them trying to stop much after that

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Davei141 · 12-02-2009 6:05pm

jim o doom wrote: »

Truth be told, If a bouncer had a mate of mine in any sort hold (especially due to it being both wrong and illegal), I'd tell him to let go & if he didn't then I am sure me and my backup of loads of tall mates (I'm only 5 ft 8 but im heavy haha) would be having some choice words..

Would you ever give over with the hard man talk for god's sake. You would do nothing.

Breaking up pits is bollocks but it's orders from the top with big venue gig's. If you want to go mad stick to smaller venue's, more fun anyway.

starflake · 12-02-2009 6:17pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

How much were the tickets incidently?
Was only in the o2 once so far, and that was for UFC last month. I don't know how i'd be able to rate it as a music venue though, there isn't a hell of a lot of space on the ground level before it starts getting slopey. For seated gigs and other events, it might work, but for Rock/Metal gigs, the layout is a disaster.

Security was rubbish at the event I was at too, but i guess it's whoever they can get on the day.

I think they were 50 odd quid for standing 70 odd for seated... money well spent! Have a serious case of wiplash though

kevpants · 12-02-2009 6:27pm

Was up in the seats, front nand centre and the sound was bang on. Must be acoustically better or something.

One of the most hilarious things looking down on the little hi-viz brigade meandering through the crowd looking for moshpits. At times they were about 6 feet away from one and just looking around for it while clearly being screamed at through their earpieces "It's on your left! YOUR LEFT!!!".

At one stage they went into one and rather than stop it they just got dragged into it. It was like watching 5 little pieces of corn swirling down a plughole. I was in my ROFL-copter.

Oh and Dave Mustaine has NO stage prescence. They should just play their CD and put a cardboard cutout of him on the stage. Same experience.

Priest were amazing.

ShawnRaven · 12-02-2009 6:46pm

starflake wrote: »

I think they were 50 odd quid for standing 70 odd for seated... money well spent! Have a serious case of wiplash though

Yeah, 50 quid is damn good for three bands that have all made huge contributions to the Metal scene over three decades (this one doesn't really count as they were all established and didn't really do much to note in the 2000s, not taking anything away from them, mind). I'm regretting not going, at the same time, i got a new piercing this week and wouldn't have risked going near a pit with it in me.

lord lucan · 12-02-2009 10:29pm

niallith wrote: »

tbh this concert made me realise i hate goin to concerts in ireland mainly cause of the crowd ,all the absolutly pointless and annoying pushing,how can u enjoy a gig wen ur jus ben constantly pushed into the person in front of u and tryin to keep urself upright ? wen was at earthshakerfest in germany was a far more enjoyable experience,some of crowd jumpin,some wavin arms in air, mayb one or 2 mosh pits goin but jus fun ones not were try jus tryin to find an excuse to smash into som1 and hope to hurt them and then others jus standin in place headinbaggin like crazy, no bs pushin,
anyways i was disappointed wit megadeth tho i suppose ill giv em the benifit of the oubt wit the fact they wernt headlinin and had to do a short and quik set,testament were great woulda ben nice to see them get a bit better of a response from the crowd ppl screamin for megadeth between songs..sjhould b appriciating wat a good show testament put on

tbh it's not just ireland that you get that. i was in the states 2 weeks ago for a couple of metallica shows. the 2nd one was in newark,new jersey. i can honestly say i've never been surrounded by so many dickheads at one gig in my life. half of them were wasted and looking for fights. moshpits turned into shovefests with people getting trampled all over the place. one young lady was on the rail and was getting wrecked by a big bastard beside her,security done nothing,they were too busy taking batteries from digital cameras!!! ended up that james hetfield enquired between songs if she was ok,ffs if the lead singer can spot it then wtf are security at?!!

don't get me wrong,i get pissed off at people in front of me watching a whole gig through a viewfinder but at the end of the day securitys main job is to ensure the security of the band/crew and the patrons in the venue,not to police david bailey wannabees. i dunno,maybe these security guys think that violence is all part of the "fun" of a metal show but i can see a fatality at a gig soon because the kids now don't know how to mosh and the etiquette involved and security don't give a ****.

rant over,sorry about that!!:o

GhostInTheRuins · 12-02-2009 10:38pm

He's got a point about the crowed to be honest. Fair enough, it's one thing people moshing during testament or megadeth, but moshing during the green manalishi? what the **** like?

Dyr · 12-02-2009 10:41pm

kevpants wrote: »

One of the most hilarious things looking down on the little hi-viz brigade meandering through the crowd looking for moshpits. At times they were about 6 feet away from one and just looking around for it while clearly being screamed at through their earpieces "It's on your left! YOUR LEFT!!!".

At one stage they went into one and rather than stop it they just got dragged into it. It was like watching 5 little pieces of corn swirling down a plughole. I was in my ROFL-copter.

ive seen security at the point doing this too back in the day, spotters in the seating sending the hard men in to lay down the law on teenagers who are *gasp* sitting on someones shoulders, or even jumping around. this was the wrong crowd to pull that crap at, they were little more than human traffic calming measures. :pac:

Davei141 · 12-02-2009 11:50pm

Bambi wrote: »

lay down the law on teenagers who are *gasp* sitting on someones shoulders

Yeah because sitting on somebodies shoulders while everyone is swaying/jumping isn't dangerous at all.

SirLemonhead · 13-02-2009 12:40am

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

He's got a point about the crowed to be honest. Fair enough, it's one thing people moshing during testament or megadeth, but moshing during the green manalishi? what the **** like?

It's a fantastic live song..

ShawnRaven · 13-02-2009 1:08am

Davei141 wrote: »

Yeah because sitting on somebodies shoulders while everyone is swaying/jumping isn't dangerous at all.

Can we get a happy pill over here stat!?
Seriously, i watch House too, but I don't end up like Greg after four series either. Lighten up, dude.

jim o doom · 13-02-2009 1:14am

Davei141 wrote: »

Would you ever give over with the hard man talk for god's sake. You would do nothing.

Breaking up pits is bollocks but it's orders from the top with big venue gig's. If you want to go mad stick to smaller venue's, more fun anyway.

hard man talk? like I said I ain't a big tall beast at all, but if someone is willing to lay their hands on me, I will defend myself! it sounds totally "internet hardman" but I don't care if ya believe me or not (well only enough to respond once

)

and about sticking to smaller venues - then I wouldn't get to be moshing to testament, now would I?

And the most fun pits I've been in were really massive - especially napalm death in the red box about maybe 8/9 years ago.. and also over in Germany last year at whacken - ya certainly don't need small pits or small venues for a fun one - and regardless of the security I managed to have a fun mosh for every band at priest feast - and no security laid their hands on me, so no problem in any respect, except having to stop the odd time (sure I need frequent rests anyway - crap lungs :P )

jim o doom · 13-02-2009 1:17am

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Can we get a happy pill over here stat!?
Seriously, i watch House too, but I don't end up like Greg after four series either. Lighten up, dude.

yeah jesus it's like listening to my ma when she was still around - "now don't be doing that, it's dangerous, ya might fall and break your neck"

..ahh relax there wouldja ma?? :pac:

and I thought metal heads were a bit adventurous. another childhood fantasy, laid to waste before my very eyes

ShawnRaven · 13-02-2009 1:17am

jim o doom wrote: »

and about sticking to smaller venues - then I wouldn't get to be moshing to testament, now would I?

You would have if McGons or the Top Hat were still around

Dyr · 13-02-2009 1:39am

jim o doom wrote: »

and I thought metal heads were a bit adventurous. another childhood fantasy, laid to waste before my very eyes

Time was that they were, seems to be a lot of poindexters around though these days, I blame opeth and possibly dream theater.

*rocks chair on porch*

ShawnRaven · 13-02-2009 1:49am

Bambi wrote: »

Time was that they were, seems to be a lot of poindexters around though these days, I blame opeth and possibly dream theater.

*rocks chair on porch*

OYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
Take that back and replace that with Dragonfarce, IMMEDIATELY!

Patricide · 13-02-2009 2:01am

I think this might explain the sound for megadeth.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/megadeth_releases_tour_update.html

Not sure if hes talking about Ireland but if he did. Twould explain it.

Davei141 · 13-02-2009 2:04am

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Can we get a happy pill over here stat!?
Seriously, i watch House too, but I don't end up like Greg after four series either. Lighten up, dude.

jim o doom wrote: »

hard man talk? like I said I ain't a big tall beast at all, but if someone is willing to lay their hands on me, I will defend myself! it sounds totally "internet hardman" but I don't care if ya believe me or not (well only enough to respond once )

You go on and on about it. Fear the one who doesn't say anything, not the one who constantly talks about it.

and about sticking to smaller venues - then I wouldn't get to be moshing to testament, now would I?

Maybe not. But don't complain like your shocked because the same rules have been going on in the place for god knows how many years before it was refurbished.

And the most fun pits I've been in were really massive - especially napalm death in the red box about maybe 8/9 years ago.. and also over in Germany last year at whacken - ya certainly don't need small pits or small venues for a fun one - and regardless of the security I managed to have a fun mosh for every band at priest feast - and no security laid their hands on me, so no problem in any respect, except having to stop the odd time (sure I need frequent rests anyway - crap lungs :P )

You don't need small pit's or venue's but they are much better IMO. And usually have zero security apart from bouncers at the door.

jim o doom wrote: »

yeah jesus it's like listening to my ma when she was still around - "now don't be doing that, it's dangerous, ya might fall and break your neck"

..ahh relax there wouldja ma?? :pac:

No climbing on peoples shoulders has been going around for how long? You all act surprised the same rules of the same venue's going on for year's. "Oh noes they stopped a pit and wouldn't let people sit on their shoulders in the Point."

and I thought metal heads were a bit adventurous. another childhood fantasy, laid to waste before my very eyes

Bambi wrote: »

Time was that they were, seems to be a lot of poindexters around though these days, I blame opeth and possibly dream theater.

*rocks chair on porch*

Actually some clowns spent the entire gig sitting behind the mixer curtain's sliding along the ground thinking it was great craic. Not that adventurous tbh...

Davei141 · 13-02-2009 2:09am

Patricide wrote: »

I think this might explain the sound for megadeth.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/megadeth_releases_tour_update.html

Not sure if hes talking about Ireland but if he did. Twould explain it.

I would say he is definitely talking about ireland. The gig was supposed to finish 40 minutes earlier but the delay was because testament spent 40 minutes after doors doing sound checks

jim o doom · 13-02-2009 10:05am

Davei141 wrote: »

Maybe not. But don't complain like your shocked because the same rules have been going on in the place for god knows how many years before it was refurbished.

You don't need small pit's or venue's but they are much better IMO. And usually have zero security apart from bouncers at the door.

No climbing on peoples shoulders has been going around for how long? You all act surprised the same rules of the same venue's going on for year's. "Oh noes they stopped a pit and wouldn't let people sit on their shoulders in the Point."

Actually some clowns spent the entire gig sitting behind the mixer curtain's sliding along the ground thinking it was great craic. Not that adventurous tbh...

Sure sounds like you really enjoy going to gigs & that other people having fun doesn't annoy you in the slightest!

And re what you said about me complaining or being shocked - I can complain about STUPID and POINTLESS rules regardless of how long they have been in effect, because guess what ; the rules are stupid and pointless.

And I wasn't shocked, just vaguely irritated - and despite that I still got to mosh to just about every single testament & megadeth song (so no problem there) and I only bothered to mosh for painkiller and the song after for priest, because the rest was too slow.. ya can always get a mosh going, regardless of the stupid security.. and at the end everyone was too knackered and a lot of people were bouncing into security to annoy them (seemed to happen during megadeth and testament as well..).

Sure yer bitchin and moaning about people moshing or sitting on shoulders, why can't I do the same about the security?

Davei141 · 13-02-2009 2:34pm

The penny still hasn't dropped has it?

jim o doom wrote: »

Sure sounds like you really enjoy going to gigs & that other people having fun doesn't annoy you in the slightest!

I was working at it. People acting stupid at gigs is nothing new, believe me.

And re what you said about me complaining or being shocked - I can complain about STUPID and POINTLESS rules regardless of how long they have been in effect, because guess what ; the rules are stupid and pointless.

Which rules are stupid and pointless? Those rules came in because somebody got crushed to death in the old point so there has been a clamp down on moshing and pushing ever since. 7 thousand people with no crowd control sounds pretty god damn retarded, which is what you want. There is a reason small gigs don't need it. Can you guess why? :rolleyes:

And I wasn't shocked, just vaguely irritated - and despite that I still got to mosh to just about every single testament & megadeth song (so no problem there) and I only bothered to mosh for painkiller and the song after for priest, because the rest was too slow.. ya can always get a mosh going, regardless of the stupid security.. and at the end everyone was too knackered and a lot of people were bouncing into security to annoy them (seemed to happen during megadeth and testament as well..).

You moshed and done what you wanted to do, so why the hell are you moaning so much in this thread then? Trust me i doubt it annoyed them. It's actually great craic.

Sure yer bitchin and moaning about people moshing or sitting on shoulders, why can't I do the same about the security?

I wouldn't go to a metal gig and NOT mosh. But i understand why they have to stop it. Same with sitting on the shoulders. Can you not grasp this at all?

rossie1977 · 13-02-2009 2:44pm

best video i have seen of the gig on tuesday night, i seriously need to get me whatever camera this dude has

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne_2GqdJY3U

Motley Crue · 13-02-2009 7:03pm

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=114236

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=114281

honru · 13-02-2009 8:20pm

Patricide wrote: »

I think this might explain the sound for megadeth.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/megadeth_releases_tour_update.html

Not sure if hes talking about Ireland but if he did. Twould explain it.

Regarding that post, I absolutely remember an ambulance (presumably with the sound guy) leaving the O2 around the time the gates opened, before Testament took to the stage.

The sound at Megadeth wasn't at its best, but there was no change the tired old performance they've been bashing out year after year. Priest on the other hand, were full of vigor and gave a terrific performance, and thankfully by the time they took the stage there was a stark improvement in the sound.

Davei141 · 13-02-2009 9:44pm

Some bloke with the band tried to jump from the stage to the ground and caught his leg on the barrier face planting himself very badly before stumbling over to the mixer while testament sound checked could of been him in the ambulance.

Ronan|Raven · 14-02-2009 12:23pm

It wasnt him, some young fella collapsed just by the entrance.

Tim131 · 14-02-2009 12:41pm

It was a good night! The shound was a bit tinny? no, megadeth lacked a certain amount of bass an ooomphhh.

What pisses me off is the constant moshing! Sure tis a bit a craic for the firs t few minutes or when a really heavy song comes on, but non stop, I think its time these 30-/40 year olds pushing young ones and women around to grow up.

Patricide · 14-02-2009 2:21pm

Tim131 wrote: »

It was a good night! The shound was a bit tinny? no, megadeth lacked a certain amount of bass an ooomphhh.

What pisses me off is the constant moshing! Sure tis a bit a craic for the firs t few minutes or when a really heavy song comes on, but non stop, I think its time these 30-/40 year olds pushing young ones and women around to grow up.

Tis a metal gig, whatcha expect? Im grand with a mosh pit, you can escape that but the fact it was more people randomly pushing forward and left to right the entire time that annoyed me!

Dyr · 14-02-2009 2:53pm

omgz i wented to see thrash metal bands & there was mosh pit!! Someone call the care bears!!

I have this secret trick that i use when i dont want to be pushed around at a gig...i stay the f**k away from the pit :eek:...fiendishly cunning eh?

ShawnRaven · 14-02-2009 3:49pm

Tim131 wrote: »

It was a good night! The shound was a bit tinny? no, megadeth lacked a certain amount of bass an ooomphhh.

What pisses me off is the constant moshing! Sure tis a bit a craic for the firs t few minutes or when a really heavy song comes on, but non stop, I think its time these 30-/40 year olds pushing young ones and women around to grow up.

Stay the f*ck away from the pit then. Basically you're saying that once you pass the age of 24 that it's time to stop moshing, and retire with the pipe and slippers to the rocking chair and start every sentence with "back in my day..."?

Remind me to send you a PM in a few years then and ask you how "retirement" is going. :rolleyes: I'm 33 and still enjoy a good mosh, speaking for myself i'm screwed if i'm going to stop just because some dumb kid can't handle him/herself in a pit!

Tim131 · 14-02-2009 6:30pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Stay the f*ck away from the pit then. Basically you're saying that once you pass the age of 24 that it's time to stop moshing, and retire with the pipe and slippers to the rocking chair and start every sentence with "back in my day..."?

Remind me to send you a PM in a few years then and ask you how "retirement" is going. :rolleyes: I'm 33 and still enjoy a good mosh, speaking for myself i'm screwed if i'm going to stop just because some dumb kid can't handle him/herself in a pit!

Calm down darling, no need to get your knickers in a twist.

Why not try having a rational connversation, and act your age, of 33.

I said, I have no problem with moshing, it can be a bit of craic, bur when it is non-stop, it gets annoying is what I am saying, and when 30/40 year old push around little people, the 14 year olds there, I think its kind of pathetic. I'm there to enjoy the music, not to have a fight, if I wanted that I'd head to temple bar.

"Basically you're saying that once you pass the age of 24 that it's time to stop moshing"

Yes, thats exactly what I said, word for word, well done :rolleyes:

Dyr · 14-02-2009 8:44pm

stay away from the mosh pit then, problem solved. Its really simple.

Do you even know what moshing is? You seem to be a little hazy on this

ShawnRaven · 15-02-2009 12:05am

Tim131 wrote: »

Calm down darling, no need to get your knickers in a twist.

Why not try having a rational connversation, and act your age, of 33.

I was, kid, you're the one pissing and moaning. Or have we forgotten that already? I thought so.

I said, I have no problem with moshing, it can be a bit of craic, bur when it is non-stop, it gets annoying is what I am saying, and when 30/40 year old push around little people, the 14 year olds there, I think its kind of pathetic. I'm there to enjoy the music, not to have a fight, if I wanted that I'd head to temple bar.

Again, if you can't handle yourself in a mosh pit, don't go near it. Regardless of age. By your logic, the 14 year old would have the better chance of survival in a pit due to better physical conditioning.

Yes, thats exactly what I said, word for word, well done :rolleyes:

It wasn't far off. Not like you sound like you have a breeze what you're talking about, but you may continue to totally embarrass yourself, the floor is yours!

Carry on, kid.

nij · 15-02-2009 1:03am

I'm a big believer in having fun no matter what age you are. But moshing over the age of 20 is ridiculous. You'll miss the music you paid to hear, and you might KO a kid. I personally go to gigs to enjoy my favourite music being created right in front of me by the same people who put it on the record. If I wanted to fly around and act like a wasted kid I'd go and play in a pit of plastic balls, or maybe go clubbing (if the aforementioned behaviour is in fact how I have a good time).

Kids don't really know any better, but for adults - your rights end where another person's begin. Over the years, people have gotten injured or killed from this silly behaviour. Some bands have even spoken out against it.

Headbanging is fun too...

ShawnRaven · 15-02-2009 1:31am

nij wrote: »

I'm a big believer in having fun no matter what age you are. But moshing over the age of 20 is ridiculous. You'll miss the music you paid to hear, and you might KO a kid. I personally go to gigs to enjoy my favourite music being created right in front of me by the same people who put it on the record. If I wanted to fly around and act like a wasted kid I'd go and play in a pit of plastic balls, or maybe go clubbing (if the aforementioned behaviour is in fact how I have a good time).

Kids don't really know any better, but for adults - your rights end where another person's begin. Over the years, people have gotten injured or killed from this silly behaviour. Some bands have even spoken out against it.

Headbanging is fun too...

This is hilarious, and it's the oldies that are supposed to be the grouchy ones?!

Davei141 · 15-02-2009 1:36am

nij wrote: »

I'm a big believer in having fun no matter what age you are. But moshing over the age of 20 is ridiculous. You'll miss the music you paid to hear, and you might KO a kid.

Wtf? The people under 20 are usually the one's who are most liveliest when milling around a pit. This talk of "KOing" a kid makes me think you haven't seen many pit's.

I personally go to gigs to enjoy my favourite music being created right in front of me by the same people who put it on the record. If I wanted to fly around and act like a wasted kid I'd go and play in a pit of plastic balls, or maybe go clubbing (if the aforementioned behaviour is in fact how I have a good time).

Would you also be one of those people who hate when others sing? You personally go to stand and watch. If i went to see my favourite band the last thing in the world ill be doing is standing and watching.

Kids don't really know any better, but for adults - your rights end where another person's begin. Over the years, people have gotten injured or killed from this silly behaviour. Some bands have even spoken out against it.

It's called adrenaline. It stop's when it stop's. Who exactly has died from moshing btw? And which metal band has spoken out against moshing exactly?

Headbanging is fun too...

Ah, once we can head bang..:rolleyes:

ShawnRaven · 15-02-2009 1:47am

Davei141 wrote: »

Wtf? The people under 20 are usually the one's who are most liveliest when milling around a pit. This talk of "KOing" a kid makes me think you haven't seen many pit's.

Would you also be one of those people who hate when others sing? You personally go to stand and watch. If i went to see my favourite band the last thing in the world ill be doing is standing and watching.

It's called adrenaline. It stop's when it stop's. Who exactly has died from moshing btw? And which metal band has spoken out against moshing exactly?

Ah, once we can head bang..:rolleyes:

This guy has it right on the money, you pay your entry fee to have a good time, now if you're a dry miserable bastard who's incapable of doing so, that's fine, but don't take it out on those who can.

REGARDLESS of their age.

nij · 15-02-2009 3:01pm

Davei141 wrote: »

Wtf? The people under 20 are usually the one's who are most liveliest when milling around a pit. This talk of "KOing" a kid makes me think you haven't seen many pit's.

Yeah because they are usually the only ones doing it. I've rarely seen 30 somethings involved.

Would you also be one of those people who hate when others sing? You personally go to stand and watch. If i went to see my favourite band the last thing in the world ill be doing is standing and watching.

No I like singing and getting into it. Um..standing and watching is what you are there for..no? You don't sit on the floor, and you don't cover your eyes.

It's called adrenaline. It stop's when it stop's. Who exactly has died from moshing btw? And which metal band has spoken out against moshing exactly?

So you are just on an adrenaline rush and if people get in the way, **** them, right? I hope you don't bring this attitude around with you. Are you one of those people who stomps through life pissing on everyone and not caring as long as YOU are enjoying it?

Here's some reading material from wiki:

Among the first musicians to publicly take issue with moshing was longtime punk singer and songwriter Ian MacKaye, founder of Dischord Records, frontman for such seminal bands as Minor Threat, and early promoter of the straight edge lifestyle. Beginning in the late 1980s, during his time with Fugazi, MacKaye became well known for his opposition to "violent dancing" at shows.

In the 1990s, bands like The Smashing Pumpkins also took a stance against moshing, following some especially tragic incidents. At a 1996 Pumpkins show in Dublin, Ireland, 17-year-old Bernadette O'Brien was crushed by moshing crowd members and later died in the hospital, despite warnings from the band that people were getting hurt.[13] Singer Billy Corgan was heard at another time on stage saying on behalf of his band:[13]

“ I just want to say one thing to you, you young, college lughead-types. I've been watchin' people like you sluggin' around other people for seven years. And you know what? It's the same ****. I wish you'd understand that in an environment like this, and in a setting like this, it's fairly inappropriate and unfair to the rest of the people around you. I, and we, publicly take a stand against moshing! ”

More recently, on September 24, 2007, another fan died at a Smashing Pumpkins concert in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The man, aged 20, was dragged out of the mosh pit, unconscious, to be pronounced dead at St. Pauls' Hospital after first-aid specialists attempted to help him.[14][15][16]

In another incident, Jessica Michalik died of asphyxiation after being crushed in a mosh pit during the 2001 Australian Big Day Out music festival. The coroner's findings into her death criticized the crowd control measures in use at the time, and also criticized Limp Bizkit lead singer Fred Durst for "alarming and inflammatory" comments during the rescue effort.[17]

At The Drive-In also began to speak out against slam dancing at their shows, and their frontman Cedric began to become famous for his anti-mosh rants at the Big Day Out 2001 incident in which he Bah'd at the crowd as if they were sheep.[18]

Other bands have expressed varying degrees of disapproval regarding mosh pits. Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater, in an interview published on his website, described mosh pits as a "problem":[19]
“ I think our audience have become a little bit more attentive and less of that type of [mosh] mentality [...] I understand you want to release that energy... [but] once people start doing that during "Through Her Eyes" it gets ridiculous [...] So this time around we're consciously aiming at theaters that people can actually sit down and enjoy the show and be comfortable [...] without having to worry about their legs falling off or being kicked in the face by a Mosh Pit. So [that] will probably eliminate that problem anyway. ”

In fact, it appears that crowds attending various concerts have begun to reject moshing behavior. Instances where people have begun to push others in effort to begin the moshing environment have been shouted-down to stop such activity, and in some cases reported to security staff. One such reported incident occurred at a Buckethead concert at the Culture Room in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on Sunday, October 26, 2008.

Ah, once we can head bang..:rolleyes:

Don't understand what the point is here...

lord lucan · 15-02-2009 3:23pm

nij wrote: »

Headbanging is fun too...

maybe not,think i'll just pack in gigs altogether:rolleyes:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/expert_says_headbanging_is_dangerous.html

slavetothegrind · 15-02-2009 3:24pm

As a relative metal relic i remember mc Gonagles, and the beginnings of a certain club on parnell street.
We were all into moshing then but even though slamming around can cause the odd injury my experience was if you went down you were picked up by some other eejit with a big grin on his face:D
It was a release of energy, craic, was not an act of bullying or violence.
I would have been bigger than most and can honestly say i never hurt anyone in years of feckin ejitry ( as an aside remember eskimos in egypt?)

Due to bone fragility and dodderyness associated with my old age i have not moshed in years so perhaps it has become more nasty in nature?

But it is and has been part of the scene forever, much celebrated by anthrax, and is avoidable. Even years ago you just stayed out of it if you didn't fancy it.
Is that not even easier now with the huge percentage of seated areas?

I remember going to Megadeth in the point and on entry saw SEATS right up to the stage:eek:
WTF? Wrong gig? How are we all going to fit in the twenty feet in front of the stage!

I may have had a point in here somewhere......damn alsheimers.....

Davei141 · 15-02-2009 3:39pm

nij wrote: »

Yeah because they are usually the only ones doing it. I've rarely seen 30 somethings involved.

It's not out of fear of hurting them you can be sure of that.

No I like singing and getting into it. Um..standing and watching is what you are there for..no? You don't sit on the floor, and you don't cover your eyes.

I jump, sing, dance and mosh, whatever is appropriate for the band im there to see. Standing and watching is boring to me. Hell on some song's ill have my eye's closed or back to the band. I don't actually care about looking at the band i care about the music. Hero worship is pathetic.

So you are just on an adrenaline rush and if people get in the way, **** them, right? I hope you don't bring this attitude around with you. Are you one of those people who stomps through life pissing on everyone and not caring as long as YOU are enjoying it?

LOL's. In the pit you damn right i have that attitude. So does everyone else in that area, thats why it's called the PIT! If you are afraid of being bumped into then stand at the back or get a seating ticket.

Btw moshing etiquette has feck all to do with how people act in general. Music animates me, deal with it. At a metal gig people mosh. At a DJ gig people dance. Both occasions would be pretty god damn boring standing still.

Here's some reading material from wiki:

Among the first musicians to publicly take issue with moshing was longtime punk singer and songwriter Ian MacKaye, founder of Dischord Records, frontman for such seminal bands as Minor Threat, and early promoter of the straight edge lifestyle. Beginning in the late 1980s, during his time with Fugazi, MacKaye became well known for his opposition to "violent dancing" at shows.

That's not moshing thats slam dancing. Do you have a clue what your talking about?

In the 1990s, bands like The Smashing Pumpkins also took a stance against moshing, following some especially tragic incidents. At a 1996 Pumpkins show in Dublin, Ireland, 17-year-old Bernadette O'Brien was crushed by moshing crowd members and later died in the hospital, despite warnings from the band that people were getting hurt.[13] Singer Billy Corgan was heard at another time on stage saying on behalf of his band:[13]

“ I just want to say one thing to you, you young, college lughead-types. I've been watchin' people like you sluggin' around other people for seven years. And you know what? It's the same ****. I wish you'd understand that in an environment like this, and in a setting like this, it's fairly inappropriate and unfair to the rest of the people around you. I, and we, publicly take a stand against moshing! ”

I actually mentioned that earlier. There is a element of danger in big crowd's ALWAYS! That's why security stop mosh's. And also why they pull people out who look small and are up against the barrier being pushed against. You know what? At chris brown the amount of people fainting near the front of the stage was insane. No moshing there, just eager young girls trying to get closer to the stage. That's the risk of having a couple thousand people in a venue.

More recently, on September 24, 2007, another fan died at a Smashing Pumpkins concert in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The man, aged 20, was dragged out of the mosh pit, unconscious, to be pronounced dead at St. Pauls' Hospital after first-aid specialists attempted to help him.[14][15][16]

In another incident, Jessica Michalik died of asphyxiation after being crushed in a mosh pit during the 2001 Australian Big Day Out music festival. The coroner's findings into her death criticized the crowd control measures in use at the time, and also criticized Limp Bizkit lead singer Fred Durst for "alarming and inflammatory" comments during the rescue effort.[17]

Usually mosh pits have space. That's ****ed up but a case of the danger of too many people.

At The Drive-In also began to speak out against slam dancing at their shows, and their frontman Cedric began to become famous for his anti-mosh rants at the Big Day Out 2001 incident in which he Bah'd at the crowd as if they were sheep.[18]

Slam dancing!

Other bands have expressed varying degrees of disapproval regarding mosh pits. Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater, in an interview published on his website, described mosh pits as a "problem":[19]
“ I think our audience have become a little bit more attentive and less of that type of [mosh] mentality [...] I understand you want to release that energy... [but] once people start doing that during "Through Her Eyes" it gets ridiculous [...] So this time around we're consciously aiming at theaters that people can actually sit down and enjoy the show and be comfortable [...] without having to worry about their legs falling off or being kicked in the face by a Mosh Pit. So [that] will probably eliminate that problem anyway. ”

Don't like Dream Theater so don't even know if they are moshable (:pac:)

Every pit i have been in (besides Arctic Monkeys) people who went down got pulled back up and everyone was helping each other in need. That's what happens mostly. So you can pick a few incidents that you haven't seen yourself and take your opinion. Mine come's from what i have seen and witnessed.

Patricide · 15-02-2009 3:47pm

Moshing is good as long as your not in pits with eejits who think there in karate class throwing spinning kicks and kidney punches. There is mosh pit etiiquette, pick someone up if they fall, etc.

90% of people in a pit are there just to have a good time, therel always be those guys who just wanna hurt people but usually there taken out pretty quick. If you dont like the pits, stear clear. Its really not hard to do. Giving out about them here is pretty much an exersise in futility.

My 2 cents anyway.

SirLemonhead · 15-02-2009 5:15pm

Just don't jump up and down on the spot like you're on a pogo stick, like a lot of people do at metal gigs..You're not at a Busted concert!

Pyr0 · 15-02-2009 5:16pm

Patricide wrote: »

Moshing is good as long as your not in pits with eejits who think there in karate class throwing spinning kicks and kidney punches.

I've notcied this a lot lately with the crowds following all the screamo bands and what not. I was at a mates gig last year that'd fall into whatever catagory the likes of "Black Dahlia Murder" would fall under and right in the middle of the pit were two guys doing spinning kicks and swinging their arms around in circles with complete disregard to anyone else around them, they even went as far as to try flips and jumping kicks ! Wtf ?!

Davei141 · 15-02-2009 5:44pm

Pyr0 wrote: »

I've notcied this a lot lately with the crowds following all the screamo bands and what not. I was at a mates gig last year that'd fall into whatever catagory the likes of "Black Dahlia Murder" would fall under and right in the middle of the pit were two guys doing spinning kicks and swinging their arms around in circles with complete disregard to anyone else around them, they even went as far as to try flips and jumping kicks ! Wtf ?!

Slam/hardcore dancing. Retarded.

ShawnRaven · 15-02-2009 5:53pm

I actually think it's hilarious that people read or watch the media and completely misunderstand the concept of moshing. It needs to be made clear that the Pumpkins gig and the Australian Big Day Out tragedies were not caused by moshing.

In a lot of cases, when you're in a mosh, there's often room to move around, there's a difference between being caught in a mosh, and being crush to death. Both the above cases were heavily criticized for not only both venues being seriously overcrowded (something that The Point actually improved on after that incident, I might add), and zero crowd control being enforced.

But hey, don't let such facts get in the way of a parent or someone equally clueless who doesn't have a clue what they're talking about believing what they want anyway because Anne Doyle told them so on the news that night! :rolleyes:

After all, this is Ireland and we are sheep, right? :P

I've been to several gigs/clubs and in hundreds of moshes, and i'm not of big build, i'm only 5'10 and weigh about 11 stone. There's been times when i've even been one of the smallest guys in a mosh! Sometimes someone goes down, either being knocked or because the floor may be slippy from either sweat or beer. Should that happen, you stop for a second and you help the guy (or girl) back up, it's that simple.

But there is an essential difference between moshing, and a few thousand people pogoing in an overcrowded venue.

spiritcrusher · 15-02-2009 6:08pm

SirLemonhead wrote: »

Just don't jump up and down on the spot like you're on a pogo stick, like a lot of people do at metal gigs..You're not at a Busted concert!

Must disagree. When hearing songs like Metal Gods come on at a gig, a song that has such a great beat, such a classic riff, I find it nearly impossible to keep my feet on the ground.

And since when has metal become populated by a bunch of moaning farts? Christ almighty, I wouldn't be one for moshing at gigs much, especially at something like Priest (tailor-made for headbanging) but fuck it, it's a metal gig, let the young lads go nuts.
Also, I find mosh pits to be incredibly handy for getting closer to the front, one dash through and you've gained 5/6 yards without pissing anyone off

ShawnRaven · 15-02-2009 6:19pm

spiritcrusher wrote: »

but fuck it, it's a metal gig, let the young lads go nuts.
Also, I find mosh pits to be incredibly handy for getting closer to the front, one dash through and you've gained 5/6 yards without pissing anyone off

Problem is, it's the "young lads" that are doing all the moaning. Go back a few posts.

nij · 15-02-2009 6:38pm

Davei141 wrote: »

I jump, sing, dance and mosh, whatever is appropriate for the band im there to see. Standing and watching is boring to me. Hell on some song's ill have my eye's closed or back to the band. I don't actually care about looking at the band i care about the music. Hero worship is pathetic.

Watching and listening to a live band is hero worship? What are you talking about?

LOL's. In the pit you damn right i have that attitude. So does everyone else in that area, thats why it's called the PIT! If you are afraid of being bumped into then stand at the back or get a seating ticket.

Btw moshing etiquette has feck all to do with how people act in general. Music animates me, deal with it. At a metal gig people mosh. At a DJ gig people dance. Both occasions would be pretty god damn boring standing still.

Funny, I don't get bored at gigs that easily. I have a good attention span.

That's not moshing thats slam dancing. Do you have a clue what your talking about?

Moshing, slamming, acting like an moron... call it what you want.

Every pit i have been in (besides Arctic Monkeys) people who went down got pulled back up and everyone was helping each other in need. That's what happens mostly. So you can pick a few incidents that you haven't seen yourself and take your opinion. Mine come's from what i have seen and witnessed.

More happens in the world outside of what you have seen and witnessed.

I guess the botton line is that some people are into MUSIC, while others treat live bands as nothing more than faceless providers of white noise that they can flail around and act the eejit to, while missing every song.

"Metal" at the O2 Point

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