Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 7:22am

Greyfox wrote: »

Everyone hates rats and mice. Rabbits and foxes are beautiful creatures. Yes I realise it's not logical but sure it been ok to eat sheep and not ok to eat dogs is about our feelings towards the animal rather than logic.

Rabbits and foxes beautiful. But rats and mice are not. I had let rats and they’re smart and gorgeous animals. Foxes are mangy scavenging killing machines. You obviously have no clue on them. And if I showed you a rabbit full of myxomatosis you’d change your mind on beautiful.

05-07-2019 7:26am

dodderangler wrote: »

Foxes are mangy scavenging killing machines.

Only in the wild - but that is true of most animals in the wild really. Many of them look awful. They scrub up well though. There is a German couple near sligo who run an animal sanctuary and they have foxes. And they are possibly some of the most beautiful creatures I have ever seen in person. Worth the visit for them alone - let alone the amazing collection of birds of prey they have.

Uncharted · 05-07-2019 7:28am

PainInTheArse wrote: »

Yeah I see where your coming from. When you walk down the meat aisle you don't see dead animals. You just see breakfast ,lunch and dinner.

PITA,yes,that's pretty much the way I see it.

Animals to me are food. That's basically it.

Apologies if I went around the houses trying to convey that.

Enjoyable discussion.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 8:09am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Only in the wild - but that is true of most animals in the wild really. Many of them look awful. They scrub up well though. There is a German couple near sligo who run an animal sanctuary and they have foxes. And they are possibly some of the most beautiful creatures I have ever seen in person. Worth the visit for them alone - let alone the amazing collection of birds of prey they have.

They’re foxes. They belong nowhere but the wild. No excuses.
And I’ve had birds of prey for falconry. I know they’re beautiful. But in the wrong hands they’re not for people. Plenty of idiots have them. I stopped it because I couldn’t dedicate the time to them and I didn’t want them to suffer because I had no time for them.

YFlyer · 05-07-2019 8:26am

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I'm afraid you're wrong there, D.

Humans have escaped the effects of 'cheap' fuels like petroleum for the last 100 years and coal for another 100 years before that because of the ability of the Oceans to sequester huge quantities of Carbon to keep the atmospheric levels in balance.

The Oceans now have reached the limits of their abilities to sequester any more Carbon so atmospheric levels of Carbon are soaring.

There is now only one single place that can quickly absorb much of that excess Carbon and that's the worlds soils. And even then that ability is limited mainly to grassland soils because of the ability of grassland to convert that excess Carbon to Cellulose and store it first in the grass and then, through both leaf senescence and root exudates, to convert that Carbon to humus in the soils.

Forestry has a place but it is limited by the speed to which it can convert that Carbon to timber and the Carbon it will release again when that timber is burned either as fuels or wildfires which will become more common as rainfall level in summers fall more.

There's some very interesting research coming out this last 12 months about the abilities of grassland soils to store Carbon while vegan crop soils will emit more Carbon than it can sequester. Especially as much of the crops will grow on soils tilled numerous times each year, each time breaking up the soil structure and exposing the humus and soil biomatter to air and degradation and accelerating Carbon losses from those soils.

There's decisions to be made and there's no guarantee that those decisions will fall in the direction you're espousing. Indeed, it would be disastrous in terms of global warming.

What is a vegan crop?

Are you talking about C3 plants?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-07-2019 10:16am

YFlyer wrote: »

What is a vegan crop?

Are you talking about C3 plants?

Vegetables. They predominately require total ground clearance and nothing else to grow between the plants because they aren't capable of competing with any other plant. Then the ground from the earliest harvested crops is tilled again to grow a second crop, more organic matter breakdown and another sterile seedbed.

The later harvested crops will most likely have no other crop sown so ground will remain bare for an extended period until weeds can germinate to generate ground cover.

05-07-2019 10:34am

dodderangler wrote: »

They’re foxes. They belong nowhere but the wild. No excuses.

I was asking the Sanctuary about that actually. What the history of the foxes was and why they were being kept in captivity.

Seems they got a bad injury from people. Some low lifes attracted them somehow and cornered them and went at them with baseball bats or similar. So they were in a bad way when someone called the Sanctuary.

They nursed them back to health. But during this time they became too domesticated and used to humans. The Santuary felt that if they were released into the wild again therefore - they would be much too inclined to approach humans again then. This poses a risk to those foxes and humans alike - so the ultimate decision was to keep the foxes on the Sanctuary.

That is the distilled version of what they told us - but if you go along yourself and ask you can get the full story and justification for the decision. They - like you - are also of the opinion that where they can return a patient to the wild they will always endeavour to do so. Not least because of cost. They barely make ends meet on the Sanctuary. So any decision to keep an animal - is never made lightly for that reason to.

But the foxes themselves are anything but mangy and horrible. They are - as I said - some of the most beautiful animals I have ever had the joy to meet personally. They are shiny, smooth, glowing, red and black creatures that look healthier and happier than any domestic dog I have met. Whatever they do to look after them - they do it well.

I can not pour praise on the sanctuary or the German Couple (retired wild life biologists both of them) who run it enough to be honest. I have mentioned them many times before - not least because of their help with a certain wild animal I keep myself - and put me in touch with a life long specialist for that particular species of animal who works in German near Frankfurt too.

At some point I also want to look into helping them by giving a bird of prey a home that can not be released for whatever reason. But like you I intend to do it _right_ and so I have not just leapt into it yet like the idiots you mention who just obtain such a creature for the street cred.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 10:59am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was asking the Sanctuary about that actually. What the history of the foxes was and why they were being kept in captivity.

Seems they got a bad injury from people. Some low lifes attracted them somehow and cornered them and went at them with baseball bats or similar. So they were in a bad way when someone called the Sanctuary.

They nursed them back to health. But during this time they became too domesticated and used to humans. The Santuary felt that if they were released into the wild again therefore - they would be much too inclined to approach humans again then. This poses a risk to those foxes and humans alike - so the ultimate decision was to keep the foxes on the Sanctuary.

That is the distilled version of what they told us - but if you go along yourself and ask you can get the full story and justification for the decision. They - like you - are also of the opinion that where they can return a patient to the wild they will always endeavour to do so. Not least because of cost. They barely make ends meet on the Sanctuary. So any decision to keep an animal - is never made lightly for that reason to.

But the foxes themselves are anything but mangy and horrible. They are - as I said - some of the most beautiful animals I have ever had the joy to meet personally. They are shiny, smooth, glowing, red and black creatures that look healthier and happier than any domestic dog I have met. Whatever they do to look after them - they do it well.

I can not pour praise on the sanctuary or the German Couple (retired wild life biologists both of them) who run it enough to be honest. I have mentioned them many times before - not least because of their help with a certain wild animal I keep myself - and put me in touch with a life long specialist for that particular species of animal who works in German near Frankfurt too.

At some point I also want to look into helping them by giving a bird of prey a home that can not be released for whatever reason. But like you I intend to do it _right_ and so I have not just leapt into it yet like the idiots you mention who just obtain such a creature for the street cred.

I find it very very hard to believe that someone cornered a fox and a group of them battered it. That sounds like excuse for someone to keep one as a pet. I could easily trap a sparrowhawk and tell someone that it was hurt and can’t be released just for the sake of keeping it

Thelonious Monk · 05-07-2019 11:01am

dodderangler wrote: »

I find it very very hard to believe that someone cornered a fox and a group of them battered it. That sounds like excuse for someone to keep one as a pet. I could easily trap a sparrowhawk and tell someone that it was hurt and can’t be released just for the sake of keeping it

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isn't that what this lot do basically?

gozunda · 05-07-2019 11:05am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was asking the Sanctuary about that actually. What the history of the foxes was and why they were being kept in captivity.

Seems they got a bad injury from people. Some low lifes attracted them somehow and cornered them and went at them with baseball bats or similar. So they were in a bad way when someone called the Sanctuary.

They nursed them back to health. But during this time they became too domesticated and used to humans. The Santuary felt that if they were released into the wild again therefore - they would be much too inclined to approach humans again then. This poses a risk to those foxes and humans alike - so the ultimate decision was to keep the foxes on the Sanctuary.

That is the distilled version of what they told us - but if you go along yourself and ask you can get the full story and justification for the decision. They - like you - are also of the opinion that where they can return a patient to the wild they will always endeavour to do so. Not least because of cost. They barely make ends meet on the Sanctuary. So any decision to keep an animal - is never made lightly for that reason to.

But the foxes themselves are anything but mangy and horrible. They are - as I said - some of the most beautiful animals I have ever had the joy to meet personally. They are shiny, smooth, glowing, red and black creatures that look healthier and happier than any domestic dog I have met. Whatever they do to look after them - they do it well.

I can not pour praise on the sanctuary or the German Couple (retired wild life biologists both of them) who run it enough to be honest. I have mentioned them many times before - not least because of their help with a certain wild animal I keep myself - and put me in touch with a life long specialist for that particular species of animal who works in German near Frankfurt too.

At some point I also want to look into helping them by giving a bird of prey a home that can not be released for whatever reason. But like you I intend to do it _right_ and so I have not just leapt into it yet like the idiots you mention who just obtain such a creature for the street cred.

Afaik it is an offence to trap native wildlife and keep it in captivity. Ok maybe if the animal can't be rehabilitated - but I would question that captivity for a wild animal is always the best solution in these cases.

Seriously though what is it about prople coming to Ireland and setting up animal sanctuaries? Yeah you could argue they are doing a good thing - but the ones I'm thinking of make a living of it. Now many also have independent means as well but I know of around half a dozen who came here with the purpose of doing this. There is also the issue that not all such rescues whether indiginous or otherwise are well run or alwsys have the best concerns of animals in mind imo. They may think they do - but too many have ended up in terrible circumstances for me to look at them with rose tinted glasses. It's an area that needs tightening up imo. I know in some European countries there are strict regulations regarding setting up such enterprises- and I think that make Ireland a handy destination tbh. There was one particular operation locally which were taking in rescues and were later found to be selling the animals. Not saying that all 'rescues' are bad by any means btw - but it can be difficult to determine one from the other under the present system.

05-07-2019 11:10am

dodderangler wrote: »

I find it very very hard to believe that someone cornered a fox and a group of them battered it. That sounds like excuse for someone to keep one as a pet.

That would not fit the profile of the sanctuary or the people who run it from my experience to be honest. Go visit yourself sometime - its worth the trip.

gozunda wrote: »

Seriously though what is it about prople coming to Ireland and setting up animal sanctuaries? Yeah you could argue they are doing a good thing - but the ones I'm thinking of make a living of it.

It is a Sanctuary not some private household - so I guess that must influence the legality of it. So what is an offence for us might not be for them. I do not know the law.

It is run by a couple who retired to Ireland after being life long Wild Life Biologists in Germany. They did not plan to start a sanctuary either. They planned to invest their money into nothing more than a quiet retirement in Sligo.

People in the locality of Sligo just started to hear who they were and started bringing them animals in distress. They started helping out and slowly over time they suddenly realised they were running an Animal Rescue Sanctuary. It does not seem they planned any of it.

The man who I spoke to more than his wife is deeply knowledgable and a ball of charisma too. Lovely guy all around. I go back as often as I can and I support their charity by donating monthly. I recommend a trip there to anyone I can and I have yet to have anyone come back and tell me it was a bad recommendation.

Sheepdish1 · 05-07-2019 11:11am

dodderangler wrote: »

I find it very very hard to believe that someone cornered a fox and a group of them battered it. That sounds like excuse for someone to keep one as a pet. I could easily trap a sparrowhawk and tell someone that it was hurt and can’t be released just for the sake of keeping it

Really ? Humans can be extremely cruel to animals. I can't speak on behalf the sanctuary but I am surprised the foxes weren't made wild again over time. Maybe they had some injuries that meant they couldn't be released as they wouldn't survive such as blindness.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 11:20am

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Really ? Humans can be extremely cruel to animals. I can't speak on behalf the sanctuary but I am surprised the foxes weren't made wild again over time. Maybe they had some injuries that meant they couldn't be released as they wouldn't survive such as blindness.

Then do the humane thing and put them down.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 11:21am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

isn't that what this lot do basically?

No but nice try.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 11:22am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

isn't that what this lot do basically?

Guess you’ve never seen how quick a fox dies in a hunt. It’s very quick. The chase is the painful part but once one or two hounds catch it it’s death is quick. Gruesome but quick.

Thelonious Monk · 05-07-2019 11:31am

dodderangler wrote: »

Guess you’ve never seen how quick a fox dies in a hunt. It’s very quick. The chase is the painful part but once one or two hounds catch it it’s death is quick. Gruesome but quick.

From what I've read they're torn apart by the dogs and its horrific. But I've never been on a hunt and don't get why anyone would partake.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 11:38am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

From what I've read they're torn apart by the dogs and its horrific. But I've never been on a hunt and don't get why anyone would partake.

They are torn to shreds but fox is long dead after the first dog gets it.
Hounds are huge dogs. The grab and shake the fox it’s pretty yuck death. Fox doesn’t know it’s happened.
Not justifying it but the fox is long dead before the other hounds catch up to the lead dog.

Thelonious Monk · 05-07-2019 11:42am

dodderangler wrote: »

They are torn to shreds but fox is long dead after the first dog gets it.
Hounds are huge dogs. The grab and shake the fox it’s pretty yuck death. Fox doesn’t know it’s happened.
Not justifying it but the fox is long dead before the other hounds catch up to the lead dog.

I'll keep my eye on Groupon for a fox hunt experience then

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 11:43am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'll keep my eye on Groupon for a fox hunt experience then

Illegal now anyway.
They chase fox scent now on a rag. But that doesn’t stop a fox from coming along and getting caught in the crossfire.
I myself will be out later in the fields.

Greyfox · 05-07-2019 3:12pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Wrong. Rabbits and foxes are vermin. There is no hunting season for them because they are so widespread and produce too many.
You should probably get your facts correct before making assumptions. You seem to do that a lot

No there not. Just because you don't like them doesnt make it ok to kill them. Rabbits that are not wild are a popular pet in Ireland and killing any rabbits for sport is disgusting and cruel. How does a rabbit or fox know that there producing too many young? Killing defenceless animals for sport is an evil act

GreeBo · 05-07-2019 3:31pm

Janessa Uptight Asteroid wrote: »

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Probably don't have the energy levels?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 05-07-2019 3:34pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Probably don't have the energy levels?

Sure whatever you think!

_blaaz · 05-07-2019 3:43pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Guess you’ve never seen how quick a fox dies in a hunt. It’s very quick. The chase is the painful part but once one or two hounds catch it it’s death is quick. Gruesome but quick.

I have no issue with killing foxes etc,have sheep farm....fox hunting is horrific cruel and wouldnt let em near the place

Fox hounds have no kill/choking instinct like terreirs...they literally eat the fox alive and theres no gaurantee its a quick death

joe40 · 05-07-2019 3:55pm

_blaaz wrote: »

I have no issue with killing foxes etc,have sheep farm....fox hunting is horrific cruel and wouldnt let em near the place

Fox hounds have no kill/choking instinct like terreirs...they literally eat the fox alive and theres no gaurantee its a quick death

I agree with you, it is necessary to kill animals for food and sometimes cull wildlife, or get rid of vermin. These are necessary but unpleasant tasks.
Anyone that enjoys killing animals or considers it a sport for their enjoyment, would not rate highly in my estimation. They probably don't care but that is how I feel.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 4:09pm

_blaaz wrote: »

I have no issue with killing foxes etc,have sheep farm....fox hunting is horrific cruel and wouldnt let em near the place

Fox hounds have no kill/choking instinct like terreirs...they literally eat the fox alive and theres no gaurantee its a quick death

Wrong. A hound naturally grabs the fox by its throat and squeezes while the other Rio it to shreds but it’s already dead. I’ve seen it. Bet you haven’t.

dodderangler · 05-07-2019 4:11pm

Greyfox wrote: »

No there not. Just because you don't like them doesnt make it ok to kill them. Rabbits that are not wild are a popular pet in Ireland and killing any rabbits for sport is disgusting and cruel. How does a rabbit or fox know that there producing too many young? Killing defenceless animals for sport is an evil act

Again WRONG. rats mice rabbits and fox are all classed as vermin!! Do I need to write it on your wall at your house for you to see it? I had pet rats and even then I still class them as vermin. Take your head out of your ärse pal. You won’t be changing my mind. Suppose you want animals to have a right to vote next

Seanachai · 05-07-2019 4:13pm

I don't really care what anybody eats provided they're not evangelical about it, I tried vegetarian\vegan diets and couldn't function on them. Some people just don't have the genetics to convert Beta-Carotene to Vit A, I think we're in the majority.

scamalert · 05-07-2019 5:07pm

Greyfox wrote: »

No there not. Just because you don't like them doesnt make it ok to kill them. Rabbits that are not wild are a popular pet in Ireland and killing any rabbits for sport is disgusting and cruel. How does a rabbit or fox know that there producing too many young? Killing defenceless animals for sport is an evil act

its not about liking them foxes rabbits have little predators that means if population is not controlled it gets out of hand.

this thread is pathethic no farmers grows cows pigs sheep because they want to keep them as pets, animals are breed for food, in many cases its inhumane but we as people evolved because of meat not chewing grass, no person can survive on plant based food. If someone wants to be veggie good for them, as eating plant fibers day in day out isnt normal and not sustainable diet, many loonies might claim it is but reality without proper protein and fats one would be fcked.

Seanachai · 05-07-2019 5:10pm

scamalert wrote: »

its not about liking them foxes rabbits have little predators that means if population is not controlled it gets out of hand.

this thread is pathethic no farmers grows cows pigs sheep because they want to keep them as pets, animals are breed for food, in many cases its inhumane but we as people evolved because of meat not chewing grass, no person can survive on plant based food. If someone wants to be veggie good for them, as eating plant fibers day in day out isnt normal and not sustainable diet, many loonies might claim it is but reality without proper protein and fats one would be fcked.

So long as it's not coursing or fox hunting with dogs I'd agree

YFlyer · 05-07-2019 5:37pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Vegetables. They predominately require total ground clearance and nothing else to grow between the plants because they aren't capable of competing with any other plant. Then the ground from the earliest harvested crops is tilled again to grow a second crop, more organic matter breakdown and another sterile seedbed.

The later harvested crops will most likely have no other crop sown so ground will remain bare for an extended period until weeds can germinate to generate ground cover.

Oh I thought it was a special type of crop

use no till, cover crops, crop rotation, add biochar, humic and fulvic acid base foliar application.

_blaaz · 05-07-2019 6:11pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Wrong. A hound naturally grabs the fox by its throat and squeezes while the other Rio it to shreds but it’s already dead. I’ve seen it. Bet you haven’t.

Excpet i have,several times

Ive never seen a hound grab any animal by the throat even in fights between em....tbh most foxhounds i seen are sh1t hunters anyways and its usually terriers do killing at end when fox geos to.ground

Thelonious Monk · 05-07-2019 6:13pm

scamalert wrote: »

no person can survive on plant based food. If someone wants to be veggie good for them, as eating plant fibers day in day out isnt normal and not sustainable diet, many loonies might claim it is but reality without proper protein and fats one would be fcked.

How are any vegans still alive then?

Greyfox · 05-07-2019 7:29pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Again WRONG. rats mice rabbits and fox are all classed as vermin!! Do I need to write it on your wall at your house for you to see it? I had pet rats and even then I still class them as vermin. Take your head out of your ärse pal. You won’t be changing my mind. Suppose you want animals to have a right to vote next

I've no interest in changing your mind. We both know you cant 100% guarantee a quick and painless death.

archer22 · 05-07-2019 9:53pm

At the end of the day Darwin summoned it up a long time ago when he wrote in "The Descent of Man".

"The savage can only feel empathy for himself and his family"

Whereas

"The most evolved Human feels empathy for all living things"

The argument between the two can never be resolved for obvious reasons.

igCorcaigh · 05-07-2019 9:54pm

Seanachai wrote: »

I don't really care what anybody eats provided they're not evangelical about it, I tried vegetarian\vegan diets and couldn't function on them. Some people just don't have the genetics to convert Beta-Carotene to Vit A, I think we're in the majority.

Only learned about this recently, pro retinol I think, it's a pro drug for vitamin A?

I guess everyone is different, one person's diet may not suit another.

Anyway, just as well nobody is proscribing a diet for all and we can freely make choices as informed individuals

n97 mini · 05-07-2019 11:53pm

Haven't read the thread, but I find it ironic that many vegans own cats as pets. Cats are obligate carnivores and cannot survive on a meat free diet (ideally their diet is 100% meat).

Realistically vegans should be also campaigning for the end of cats.

Assetbacked · 05-07-2019 11:58pm

scamalert wrote: »

its not about liking them foxes rabbits have little predators that means if population is not controlled it gets out of hand.

this thread is pathethic no farmers grows cows pigs sheep because they want to keep them as pets, animals are breed for food, in many cases its inhumane but we as people evolved because of meat not chewing grass, no person can survive on plant based food. If someone wants to be veggie good for them, as eating plant fibers day in day out isnt normal and not sustainable diet, many loonies might claim it is but reality without proper protein and fats one would be fcked.

"Proper protein and fats"! The ignorance.

gozunda · 06-07-2019 12:06am

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Proper protein and fats"! The ignorance.

2 million years of 'ignorance"? Grand so ...

Greyfox · 06-07-2019 2:36am

archer22 wrote: »

"The savage can only feel empathy for himself and his family"

"The most evolved Human feels empathy for all living things"

The argument between the two can never be resolved for obvious reasons.

The reality is amazing people do care about all living things but most people are like myself in that they only care about what's close to them

Ultimitaly is comes down to the fact that meat tastes 100 times better than any vegetable and giving up meat after a lifetime of eating it is so so difficult

dodderangler · 06-07-2019 10:05am

Greyfox wrote: »

I've no interest in changing your mind. We both know you cant 100% guarantee a quick and painless death.

Yen’s I can. I won’t take a shot on any animal unless I know it’s going to be one shot and no suffering. People like you really pîss me off. You put us all into a same category as them fat dumb Americans that can’t shoot or hunt unless they’re sitting in a tree and shoot just because they can see the animal.
I won’t shoot unless it’s going to die on the spot. And they always drop. So take your assumptions elsewhere. Instead of crying to the mods

Greyfox · 06-07-2019 11:12am

dodderangler wrote: »

People like you really pîss me off. You put us all into a same category as them fat dumb Americans that can’t shoot or hunt unless they’re sitting in a tree and shoot just because they can see the animal.

Well people are allowed to disagree with you, it's called the real world.

pheasant tail · 06-07-2019 2:17pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Ultimitaly is comes down to the fact that meat tastes 100 times better than any vegetable and giving up meat after a lifetime of eating it is so so difficult

In your opinion!

pheasant tail · 06-07-2019 2:21pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Again WRONG. rats mice rabbits and fox are all classed as vermin!! Do I need to write it on your wall at your house for you to see it? I had pet rats and even then I still class them as vermin. Take your head out of your ärse pal. You won’t be changing my mind. Suppose you want animals to have a right to vote next

Ok, so what criteria does a species have to meet to be defined as ‘vermin’? Honest question.

Plumbthedepths · 06-07-2019 4:38pm

pheasant tail wrote:

Ok, so what criteria does a species have to meet to be defined as â€˜verminâ€™? Honest question.

Wild animals that are harmful to crops, farm animal or game. Also disease carriers such as rodents.

pheasant tail · 07-07-2019 1:21am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wild animals that are harmful to crops, farm animal or game. Also disease carriers such as rodents.

So Coillte released pine marten beside me, they eat pheasants, which are game, which people release for shooting, should they be vermin?

Deer beside me eat grass, should they be defined as vermin? How dare they eat grass like.

What about all our native predatory birds that are seemingly a threat to livestock, should they be classed as vermin? Why are they protected?

A game species such as salmon, dolphins and seals eat them. Should they be vermin? They eat our game species such as salmon. How dare they!!! Also, our native and protected otter eats our salmon and trout, should we cull them? If it suits us, like, why not..

What an amazing job we have done at culling badgers by the way, we are really winning that war on TB ðŸ˜‚

So how do we class what is vermin and what is not?
Seems the class is very suited to our own selfish agenda to justify needless killing, maybe you can enlighten me though!

Plumbthedepths · 07-07-2019 1:27am

pheasant tail wrote:

So how do we class what is vermin and what is not? Seems the class is very suited to our own selfish agenda to justify needless killing, maybe you can enlighten me though!

You asked what was the criteria to describe animals as vermin, I answered using the accepted definition, apologies if somehow it upsets you but there it is . Won't be responding to any more of your nonsense.

pheasant tail · 07-07-2019 1:53am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You asked what was the criteria to describe animals as vermin, I answered using the accepted definition, apologies if somehow it upsets you but there it is . Won't be responding to any more of your nonsense.

Doesn’t upset me, just can’t understand and that’s why I asked!

07-07-2019 1:58am

dodderangler wrote: »

Yen’s I can. I won’t take a shot on any animal unless I know it’s going to be one shot and no suffering. People like you really pîss me off. You put us all into a same category as them fat dumb Americans that can’t shoot or hunt unless they’re sitting in a tree and shoot just because they can see the animal.
I won’t shoot unless it’s going to die on the spot. And they always drop. So take your assumptions elsewhere. Instead of crying to the mods

You can’t 100% guarantee anything.

By claiming you can you’re sounding like one of those Americans you’re talking about.

‘I won’t shoot unless it’s going to die on the spot’

Nostradamus is it ?

‘And they always drop’

John Rambo is it ?

Blaizes · 07-07-2019 2:12am

We don’t or at least didn’t educate children ( from primary school level upwards ) enough about the eco system and wildlife. How many kids could name ten or fifteen birds or name wildlife particular to Ireland? Few I’d say.

s7ryf3925pivug · 07-07-2019 3:48am

Obviously humans can thrive with meat or without meat. Arguing that either is false is silly.

Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

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