Plans for 2020

roosterman71 · 02-01-2020 3:35pm

My plans for the farm was to continue as per last year. But the father is thinking of renting out the place. Has been made an offer to set it to a beef man. If it happens, that will be the end of our farm. It would mean a sale of machinery and tools in the next year or 2 then as well. So I'm a bit all over the shop as to what's best

Ard_MC · 02-01-2020 3:42pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

My plans for the farm was to continue as per last year. But the father is thinking of renting out the place. Has been made an offer to set it to a beef man. If it happens, that will be the end of our farm. It would mean a sale of machinery and tools in the next year or 2 then as well. So I'm a bit all over the shop as to what's best

Is it your Dad that's farming it or have you any interest in it apart from the machinery side?

wrangler · 02-01-2020 3:42pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

My plans for the farm was to continue as per last year. But the father is thinking of renting out the place. Has been made an offer to set it to a beef man. If it happens, that will be the end of our farm. It would mean a sale of machinery and tools in the next year or 2 then as well. So I'm a bit all over the shop as to what's best

There's probably more available so put it on the open market at least, Your enetitlements will be at risk too after next CAP reform in 2001, they're unlikely to be left with landlords

roosterman71 · 02-01-2020 3:49pm

Ard_MC wrote: »

Is it your Dad that's farming it or have you any interest in it apart from the machinery side?

It's a team effort. Our business is grass - grow grass and supply it as bales (silage/hay) to others around so they don't have to. It's a good business, and makes a bit of money for us. So most of the time there isn't a huge workload to be done. And it's me who does it!

wrangler wrote: »

There's probably more available so put it on the open market at least, Your enetitlements will be at risk too after next CAP reform in 2001, they're unlikely to be left with landlords

True. It's just so a big decision. Big change to our family. And I'd be half afraid if someone else had it, it would mean my father would have less to be at and to keep himself occupied, which would lead to more sitting on his arse and eventually the mind will go, and nature takes it's course.

wrangler · 02-01-2020 4:02pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

It's a team effort. Our business is grass - grow grass and supply it as bales (silage/hay) to others around so they don't have to. It's a good business, and makes a bit of money for us. So most of the time there isn't a huge workload to be done. And it's me who does it!

True. It's just so a big decision. Big change to our family. And I'd be half afraid if someone else had it, it would mean my father would have less to be at and to keep himself occupied, which would lead to more sitting on his arse and eventually the mind will go, and nature takes it's course.

I take it that you've a job and help out in your free time, otherwise you wouldn't consider setting leasing, I farmed for 50 years and was sick of it, maybe your father is the same
I amuse myself now at maintenance and fencing etc, I'm sure your father wouldn't be idle either.

alps · 02-01-2020 4:21pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

My plans for the farm was to continue as per last year. But the father is thinking of renting out the place. Has been made an offer to set it to a beef man. If it happens, that will be the end of our farm. It would mean a sale of machinery and tools in the next year or 2 then as well. So I'm a bit all over the shop as to what's best

If you're interested in farming, make him an offer to lease it. Let him know you want a go at it. If its leased out to another party, it'll end up like many of the sob stories going on another thread.

Act decisive and fast....dont let the notions of leasing out fester, while you are still a relevant player...

Water John · 02-01-2020 6:42pm

There needs to be a good discussion there, Rooster. A third party, your father would trust might need to be brought in on the discussion.

funkey_monkey · 02-01-2020 7:22pm

How old are you Roosterman - 49? Are there any siblings involved?

Was this a decision he came to without discussion with yourself and what is his rationale for renting it out? If your business is to supply grass, what do you do with the land in the winter months?

I'd agree with the above - sit him down (with a 3rd party as a mediator if either of you are a bit headstrong and short-fused) and go over the reasons for renting and put out a plan for yourself to take it over - if that is what you want to do.

roosterman71 · 02-01-2020 9:06pm

Ah it was just an offer that was made when bills were being paid. He's just thinking about it. 75% of the place is already rented out. The rest is for the other job of silage/hay (and to answer a question, the place is rented for sheep in the back end of the year).

I was just kinda taken aback by the suggestion. I mean just last year we bought a new tractor. Have a relatively new mower, rake and bale handler too. Not to mention the tanker we got last January. So to suggest abandoning all that investment was a shock to the system!

It's probably the way things will go eventually. He's getting older, I'm not there all week either. And when he's not able to get out and about, the place would go to ruin!

Agreed though, we need a chat on things. It must be the hardest chat for anyone to bring up. Any tips?

wrangler · 02-01-2020 9:52pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

Ah it was just an offer that was made when bills were being paid. He's just thinking about it. 75% of the place is already rented out. The rest is for the other job of silage/hay (and to answer a question, the place is rented for sheep in the back end of the year).

I was just kinda taken aback by the suggestion. I mean just last year we bought a new tractor. Have a relatively new mower, rake and bale handler too. Not to mention the tanker we got last January. So to suggest abandoning all that investment was a shock to the system!

It's probably the way things will go eventually. He's getting older, I'm not there all week either. And when he's not able to get out and about, the place would go to ruin!

Agreed though, we need a chat on things. It must be the hardest chat for anyone to bring up. Any tips?

Mightn't be that hard to bring it up, it's obviously on his mind,
Not saying that it's the same as here but I bought a new tractor in 2016 here for my retirement, looks mad but a few months after buying it I collapsed one day dipping sheep and when investigated I was told I had to cut back, simple as that, I'm at the stage now if I put in any effort I don't feel well.

_Brian · 02-01-2020 10:08pm

Farm: if the digger is close by we may do another bit of drainage, some soil sampling and get some lime out. Plant some trees. Kill more rushes.

Work: just keep tipping away, it’s not a dynamic job, no progression or promotion involved so just do the job and go home.

Personal: keep up activity, dropped 4kg year gone, down 16kg from my heaviest, hope to drop another 4kg this year and then hold.
Towards back end of year hoping to buy a van and diy a campervan over next winter. Keep stress and insomnia under control.

Jb1989 · 02-01-2020 10:13pm

_Brian wrote: »

Farm: if the digger is close by we may do another bit of drainage, some soil sampling and get some lime out. Plant some trees. Kill more rushes.

Work: just keep tipping away, it’s not a dynamic job, no progression or promotion involved so just do the job and go home.

Personal: keep up activity, dropped 4kg year gone, down 16kg from my heaviest, hope to drop another 4kg this year and then hold.
Towards back end of year hoping to buy a van and diy a campervan over next winter. Keep stress and insomnia under control.

Buy another van or is your new to you van not ideal?

Gods Gift · 02-01-2020 10:19pm

On the keeping fit thing. Everyone has Fitbits now and on st Stephens day was out with gf, and her friends were takin the piss out of me cause I’m a farmer sitting on my arse all day on a tractor. One said she got in her 3000 steps. My gf asked for my phone which is an iPhone 7. She showed me the health thing on it which counts your steps. Me the farmer sitting on my arse in the tractor all day done 14000 steps up to 7pm that day. 11000 Xmas day. Averaging 17000 the previous weeek.
Seemingly 7000 is average in Ireland.
I’d say there are farmers doing 3 times that.

_Brian · 02-01-2020 10:21pm

Jb1989 wrote: »

Buy another van or is your new to you van not ideal?

Buy another van.
I recently bought a Peugeot Partner, but I’m planning to buy a large van and convert it into a 4 berth camper.
Not sure what yet, Boxer-Ducato-Expert-Sprinter are all on the mix.

Grueller · 02-01-2020 10:29pm

Gods Gift wrote: »

On the keeping fit thing. Everyone has Fitbits now and on st Stephens day was out with gf, and her friends were takin the piss out of me cause I’m a farmer sitting on my arse all day on a tractor. One said she got in her 3000 steps. My gf asked for my phone which is an iPhone 7. She showed me the health thing on it which counts your steps. Me the farmer sitting on my arse in the tractor all day done 14000 steps up to 7pm that day. 11000 Xmas day. Averaging 17000 the previous weeek.
Seemingly 7000 is average in Ireland.
I’d say there are farmers doing 3 times that.

I don't know the steps but I have averaged 21km per day over the Christmas holidays. But I also ate to compensate for it and now I fear the scales.

_Brian · 02-01-2020 10:33pm

Grueller wrote: »

I don't know the steps but I have averaged 21km per day over the Christmas holidays. But I also ate to compensate for it and now I fear the scales.

Never fear the scales, it’s just a measurement, what you can measure you can change.

Grueller · 02-01-2020 10:45pm

_Brian wrote: »

Never fear the scales, it’s just a measurement, what you can measure you can change.

Ah yeah I know that better than most. I am now 87kg but I was 106kg at my best. I was grading a U but in danger of being cut on fat score.
I have been as low as 81kg when training but it is too light to maintain except when doing north of 50 miles a week.
I am 6'3" by the way so not in bad shape per se but not in as good as I would like. I am back out on the road again with a 10 mile road race in April in my sights and want to be back in half marathon shape for a June race.

Mooooo · 02-01-2020 10:46pm

Got a fit bit at Xmas as well, dunno how accurate it is. Hitting 10k steps only doing half days work at the minute. We prob do more work moving our arms than others do so prob pushes the count up. Will be interesting come spring time. Also need to get fit here, not fierce over weight prob a half stone or a bit with it but eat too much rubbish. Have heifers eating out of a bale trailer in a yard and was turning them in out of the way to move it and clean up and they were right giddy, I was near out of breath chasing em around the yard. It's the heart and lungs I need to work on and keep healthy. If I can get a routine going that I can call back into after Feb to mid March period

mahoney_j · 02-01-2020 10:52pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Got a fit bit at Xmas as well, dunno how accurate it is. Hitting 10k steps only doing half days work at the minute. We prob do more work moving our arms than others do so prob pushes the count up. Will be interesting come spring time. Also need to get fit here, not fierce over weight prob a half stone or a bit with it but eat too much rubbish. Have heifers eating out of a bale trailer in a yard and was turning them in out of the way to move it and clean up and they were right giddy, I was near out of breath chasing em around the yard. It's the heart and lungs I need to work on and keep healthy. If I can get a routine going that I can call back into after Feb to mid March period

According to the step thing in my I phone last spring was clocking up 25/37 k steps most days last week/10 days 7/12 k per day

whelan2 · 02-01-2020 10:55pm

I dont think the Fitbit are really accurate. Have a Garmin watch, got it from one of the kids. The fitbit added on steps when I'm driving the tractor or digger. Vary from 10k to 30k steps a day here. A good few days I'd have more steps than eldest lad who runs every evening

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-01-2020 11:10pm

whelan2 wrote: »

I dont think the Fitbit are really accurate. Have a Garmin watch, got it from one of the kids. The fitbit added on steps when I'm driving the tractor or digger. Vary from 10k to 30k steps a day here. A good few days I'd have more steps than eldest lad who runs every evening

Yeah, bringing in the cows really upped my step count on my phone despite doing it on the tractor. Switched it off once I figured that out

straight · 02-01-2020 11:10pm

Tried out the wife's Fitbit here one day. Clocked up 50k while using a kango.... my phone has me between 20 and 30k steps most days. Taking it a bit easier these days so I'm below 20k. Will all the walking come back to haunt us I wonder through wear and tear?

alps · 02-01-2020 11:23pm

_Brian wrote: »

Buy another van.
I recently bought a Peugeot Partner, but I’m planning to buy a large van and convert it into a 4 berth camper.
Not sure what yet, Boxer-Ducato-Expert-Sprinter are all on the mix.

Go for a low loader luton Brian. Still come in under 3,5 tonnes....would work a peach

Say my name · 03-01-2020 12:01am

straight wrote: »

Will all the walking come back to haunt us I wonder through wear and tear?

I don't get all this fitness craic. My own thoughts are it's becoming a drug and obsession to some people and probably a consequence of the social media age of showing off yourself for the vindication of others. These fitbit things are just compounding the issue in bringing out the competitive side and needing to always do one better.

There's lads out pounding the roads at God knows what hour in God knows what weather. For no financial reward just that they are so absorbed in it that they can't stop.

My own father worked in a Mart as a drover pounding the concrete all day. He ended up fit but a broken man in his fifties with bad hips. The eejits even used to have hurdle races over the calf pens.
It's terrible looking at him now with the hips and bones giving trouble.
I really wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Jb1989 · 03-01-2020 12:11am

Say my name wrote: »

I don't get all this fitness craic. My own thoughts are it's becoming a drug and obsession to some people and probably a consequence of the social media age of showing off yourself for the vindication of others. These fitbit things are just compounding the issue in bringing out the competitive side and needing to always do one better.

There's lads out pounding the roads at God knows what hour in God knows what weather. For no financial reward just that they are so absorbed in it that they can't stop.

My own father worked in a Mart as a drover pounding the concrete all day. He ended up fit but a broken man in his fifties with bad hips. The eejits even used to have hurdle races over the calf pens.
It's terrible looking at him now with the hips and bones giving trouble.
I really wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I agree with that, especially the social media aspect.

Albert Johnson · 03-01-2020 12:35am

Say my name wrote: »

I don't get all this fitness craic. My own thoughts are it's becoming a drug and obsession to some people and probably a consequence of the social media age of showing off yourself for the vindication of others. These fitbit things are just compounding the issue in bringing out the competitive side and needing to always do one better.

There's lads out pounding the roads at God knows what hour in God knows what weather. For no financial reward just that they are so absorbed in it that they can't stop.

My own father worked in a Mart as a drover pounding the concrete all day. He ended up fit but a broken man in his fifties with bad hips. The eejits even used to have hurdle races over the calf pens.
It's terrible looking at him now with the hips and bones giving trouble.
I really wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I suppose to each there own but I do have to wonder when I see individuals running up and down the road in the dark morning and evening. I agree about the concrete being severe on the joints and tarmac can't be much better. It always amuses me in the mart office when the women are comparing Fitbit results over the week and are so proud to have beaten the 10k daily average. I started laughing one day and they asked to see the step counter on my phone. This was Saturday evening after three busy sale day's and I'd clocked up over 35,000 steps that day and much the same the two previous day's. My weekly average was almost twice there's despite the fact I usually try to avoid walking as much as possible the rest of the week. What really pissed them off was the fact that all those steps were taken in dealer boot's and wellies without any runner's or Lycra "fitness gear" in sight.

whelan2 · 03-01-2020 6:52am

I know where brother in law works they did a step challenge for a few weeks. Some of the people hadn't even been doing 1000 steps a day before the challenge.

carrollsno1 · 03-01-2020 7:24am

whelan2 wrote: »

I know where brother in law works they did a step challenge for a few weeks. Some of the people hadn't even been doing 1000 steps a day before the challenge.

1500 cows on a rotary could vary in 3500-4000 steps and 400 odd cows on a 36 herringbone would be around 3000 steps on the phone here, not sure how accurate it is. Just looked back to one day where im fairly sure i only milked on the herringbone in the evening and it says id did 2.64km ill see how much kms the rotary is tomorrow if im not fetching the cows

roosterman71 · 03-01-2020 9:58am

I've a Garmin watch on the whole time. Records steps, sleep, etc. I like it but I'm a bit of a data nerd anyway so the more numbers and graphs the better! I do running as well, though this is going to be my last year of taking it anyway seriously with a training plan and running different events. It will be my 3rd year at it (it's not competitive, I got into it at work during lunch and found it great for clearing the head. Then signed up to a few halfs and the Dublin marathon the last few years). Where it gets competitive is on a site called Strava where you can see your times on different routes, roads and parts thereof. The competitive ****e kicks in then to go better than someone else, or I can't run slower because the lads will slag me

We're gone wildly off topic in this thread now!

PS: Driving the tractor is a great job for getting your steps up. The watches pick up on the vibration or the simple act of turning the wheel. Hit 100k steps a few times last summer when I would barely have done 500!

kevthegaff · 03-01-2020 10:12am

User to do a good bit of road/field runnin in the evenings but my knee wont allow me any high distances anymore. I'm over 15st and 6 4 so now I do more intense workouts such as boxing and a bit of hurling as time and joints dont allow plodding. It's hard to go running and golfing for a few hours when ye have kids. So workouts now are short and intense. In general I dip a stone in spring and put it back on in winter. Good for the mind more than anything I think
As I'm outside I dont mind indoor workouts, so they guys out running the roads are probably the opposite

whelan2 · 03-01-2020 10:24am

roosterman71 wrote: »

I've a Garmin watch on the whole time. Records steps, sleep, etc. I like it but I'm a bit of a data nerd anyway so the more numbers and graphs the better! I do running as well, though this is going to be my last year of taking it anyway seriously with a training plan and running different events. It will be my 3rd year at it (it's not competitive, I got into it at work during lunch and found it great for clearing the head. Then signed up to a few halfs and the Dublin marathon the last few years). Where it gets competitive is on a site called Strava where you can see your times on different routes, roads and parts thereof. The competitive ****e kicks in then to go better than someone else, or I can't run slower because the lads will slag me

We're gone wildly off topic in this thread now!

PS: Driving the tractor is a great job for getting your steps up. The watches pick up on the vibration or the simple act of turning the wheel. Hit 100k steps a few times last summer when I would barely have done 500!

What do you think of these new nike runners? New pbs all around.

_Brian · 03-01-2020 10:44am

whelan2 wrote: »

What do you think of these new nike runners? New pbs all around.

Was just reading about them earlier.
Aparantly the ones in development which will be given to select athletes as an advantage to qualify for Tokyo to represent Nike, they give a runner an 8% advantage over the rivals runners.

Similar to the full body skins in swimming, seems the world body are looking to implement rules to prevent too much assistance from them.

whelan2 · 03-01-2020 10:53am

It's not your own pb though. It's an unfair advantage over everyone else.

_Brian · 03-01-2020 11:19am

whelan2 wrote: »

It's not your own pb though. It's an unfair advantage over everyone else.

Yea, plus we now have companies manipulating who qualifies for the Olympics just to represent them.

The progression in sports is mad.
At her peak my daughter at 16 was on the Ulster squad swimming, she was recording times in training that would have won medals at the Olympics in the 1970’s

enricoh · 03-01-2020 11:20am

straight wrote: »

Tried out the wife's Fitbit here one day. Clocked up 50k while using a kango.... my phone has me between 20 and 30k steps most days. Taking it a bit easier these days so I'm below 20k. Will all the walking come back to haunt us I wonder through wear and tear?

A lad here in his 70's now was big into running in the 80s etc. He ran in his fields while all the rest of his clubmates etc trained on roads. He was saying all the others got new knees, hips etc bar him as the ground had a bit of give in it

_Brian · 03-01-2020 11:24am

enricoh wrote: »

A lad here in his 70's now was big into running in the 80s etc. He ran in his fields while all the rest of his clubmates etc trained on roads. He was saying all the others got new knees, hips etc bar him as the ground had a bit of give in it

It’s about balance, just like every other aspect of life.
A friend of mine in his mid 40’s took up running and dropped 3 stone. It was a massive achievement.
Then he pushed to do a few marathons.

Then he pushed to do back to back marathons over weekends.

Then the ultra events, last man standing etc.

All over 3-4 years.

Then his joints gave way. He can’t run much at all now and has regained much of the weight. If he’d stick to moderate running he probably would have been fine.

_Brian · 03-01-2020 12:32pm

alps wrote: »

Go for a low loader luton Brian. Still come in under 3,5 tonnes....would work a peach

Too bulky and people are reporting about 10mpg less compared to a converted panel van, on a long drive that’s 30% more fuel.

mayota · 03-01-2020 1:51pm

_Brian wrote: »

Too bulky and people are reporting about 10mpg less compared to a converted panel van, on a long drive that’s 30% more fuel.

colm_mcm has a thread over on Projects and Builds forum of his Ducato camper conversion. He also has an older thread on a low roof Transit conversion.

davidk1394 · 03-01-2020 2:18pm

2019 was an interesting year at home

Plans for 2020 are as follows
Farm:
Keep going with the conversion
Get plenty of hands on experience
Talk to people who will give me a straight answer and not the answer I want to hear.
Get handy at pouring concrete, taking levels and following plans.
Dont spend money on unnecessary things for the farm.

Personal:
Keep going to the gym and go back playing a team sport. I sprained my ankle in November and I'm still not fully recovered.
Cut back on the alcohol i drink on nights out
Take a few more short breaks with the girlfriend
Keep in touch with friends that are near and far away.
Look after my own mental health, 2020 will be a busy year and I don't want my own mental health to suffer because of it.

jfh · 03-01-2020 6:22pm

Simplify things here, put a lot of money into the farm last few years, so pay back time.
Realistically the day job is where I need to put more effort into, so try to stop taking days off for farming.
Cut stock & in turn less inputs

carrollsno1 · 05-01-2020 8:12am

Booked a boliday for 2020, suppose ill have to do it now.

whelan2 · 05-01-2020 9:38am

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Booked a boliday for 2020, suppose ill have to do it now.

Where are you going?

_Brian · 05-01-2020 10:04am

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Booked a boliday for 2020, suppose ill have to do it now.

For many years now we use the Christmas break to book summer holidays. Something to look forward to and it’s handy to pay off bits as the year goes along.

Where you planning?

carrollsno1 · 05-01-2020 12:28pm

_Brian wrote: »

For many years now we use the Christmas break to book summer holidays. Something to look forward to and it’s handy to pay off bits as the year goes along.

Where you planning?

New Zealand well i half booked it have an open dated kiwi experience ticket bought in the new years sale, i was heading over to visit a friend before for a weekend before i headed home but it looks like i could stretch a month out of it yet, no panic on now and it was as cheap as renting the car for a few days aswell and i havent to worry about RBTs or speed cameras either.

jfh · 05-01-2020 12:37pm

carrollsno1 wrote: »

New Zealand well i half booked it have an open dated kiwi experience ticket bought in the new years sale, i was heading over to visit a friend before for a weekend before i headed home but it looks like i could stretch a month out of it yet, no panic on now and it was as cheap as renting the car for a few days aswell and i havent to worry about RBTs or speed cameras either.

Did the kiwi experience 20 years ago and it was mad then, some craic but partying ever night would leave you worse for wear..

carrollsno1 · 05-01-2020 12:46pm

jfh wrote: »

Did the kiwi experience 20 years ago and it was mad then, some craic but partying ever night would leave you worse for wear..

Ah id be hoping to take it easy for some of it these big farms and big sessions in the cities have an old man made of me ðŸ˜‚

Water John · 05-01-2020 2:14pm

One thing for sure is you'll fatten. You could go into the roughest looking joint on the outside and the food would be fantastic.

endainoz · 05-01-2020 6:08pm

Have a few bits of plans for the new year myself:

Continuing with the Organic farming, was very lucky to be accepted into the scheme but have a few bits in the yard and the crush to sort out yet.

Starting a new course on organic market gardening this month, I know very little about growing things but you have to start somewhere. My idea would be to sell locally to pubs and restaurants during the summer as a sideline. My current commute to work is nearly 40 mins for handy money so that has to stop in the near future.

Hopefully going to get a couple of rare breed cattle aswell at some point, either Droimeann or Irish Moiled (or both!)

Had thought to grow some hemp as an experiment but I'm kind of limited as to where I can plant it due to GLAS areas that I can't touch. The current LIPP area will be growing some in 2022 all going well!

Aside from that I want to look into an area for some agroforestry and to plant a few hedgerows aswell.

I also want to put up a box in the slatted shed for a barn owl to live in to keep rodents away. I heard one in the distance on Christmas Eve so thankfully they are in the area!

The usual festivals are booked off for 2020 aswell though maybe a short bit of a holiday later in the year might be on order too.

Base price · 05-01-2020 7:27pm

endainoz wrote: »

Have a few bits of plans for the new year myself:

Continuing with the Organic farming, was very lucky to be accepted into the scheme but have a few bits in the yard and the crush to sort out yet.

Starting a new course on organic market gardening this month, I know very little about growing things but you have to start somewhere. My idea would be to sell locally to pubs and restaurants during the summer as a sideline. My current commute to work is nearly 40 mins for handy money so that has to stop in the near future.

Hopefully going to get a couple of rare breed cattle aswell at some point, either Droimeann or Irish Moiled (or both!)

Had thought to grow some hemp as an experiment but I'm kind of limited as to where I can plant it due to GLAS areas that I can't touch. The current LIPP area will be growing some in 2022 all going well!

Aside from that I want to look into an area for some agroforestry and to plant a few hedgerows aswell.

I also want to put up a box in the slatted shed for a barn owl to live in to keep rodents away. I heard one in the distance on Christmas Eve so thankfully they are in the area!

The usual festivals are booked off for 2020 aswell though maybe a short bit of a holiday later in the year might be on order too.

Just be careful about investing too much time and money into growing organic veg without having an outlet. Most restaurants will buy from the same supplier who can ensure consistent supply all year round.

endainoz · 06-01-2020 1:19pm

Base price wrote: »

Just be careful about investing too much time and money into growing organic veg without having an outlet. Most restaurants will buy from the same supplier who can ensure consistent supply all year round.

Thanks for the advice but most food outlets in my area open seasonally, so year round supply is not much of an issue. Very early days though, will do the course first to lay the foundation and will see then.

Plans for 2020

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